Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. (Ghosting) You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account to get their role or looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Forged Private Messages (PMs) are allowed. Screenshots of PMs are not. 6. PMs from the moderator may be forged for private messaging to other players, but may carry certain consequences if abused. PMs from the moderator are NOT ALLOWED in public view, regardless of its truthfullness. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. 9. Betting items outside of the game in exchange for in-game benefits. 10. Sharing accounts with other players. Only you may post on your account. SPECTATORS AND GHOSTS MAY HAUNT, TAUNT AND FLAUNT, BUT NEVER REVEAL ANY INFORMATION (COMPILATION INCLUDED) Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
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Question Font: This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules. Please do us a favor and read the rules before you ask anything.
Activity: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Smurfs:
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything.
Inappropriate posts: If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. If you do not like how someone is talking to you, please PM a host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before involving the TL staff. If you are unsatisfied with how the situation is resolved, then you can appeal to the TL staff normally.
Reporting posts: The report button is a nice feature for regular TL, but not for this forum. We prefer to deal with things in house if possible to avoid confusion among the TL staff. If you have a problem with how someone is posting, talk to the host, co-host, Qatol, or Flamewheel before using your report button. Please do not use your report button for anything other than inappropriate posts which you feel are not being dealt with adequately.
Ban discussions: Please wait until this game is over to talk about modkills and bans resulting from this game.
Play to win. This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
This also means that you cannot leave the game without a good reason without a ban. These situations will be dealt with on a case by case basis. PM your host if you need to leave the game.
You have been warned.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done (in a separate thread, located here). Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may vote for anyone dead or outside the game; BUT IT WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES. 5. In the event of a TIE ALL candidates that are part of that tie are killed. 6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to anyone. Signups will remain open until August 14 0000 KST.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills: This game does not follow the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will not go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you want to use this game to sit out your ban, please PM Qatol or post in the Ban List.
Replacements This game uses replacements. Replacements will be made in the game until Day 5 Ends. If a player is modkilled during the designated time, then they will be replaced by a player on the replacement list.
Clues: There are NO clues.
PMs PMs ARE allowed in this game.
Time Cycle: This game will follow a CONCURRENT 48 hour day cycle. That is, ALL Nightly actions must be done at the same time as the day votes. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 2200 KST, but that is subject to change. Credits: Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
NOTE: The following Role Post is taken in format from another Forum but is same in essential content, PM me if you need guidance on the roles and traits present.
TL Forumer (Townie): Vanilla TL Forumer, likes Starcraft overall, watches their regular fill of games via streams or live
Forum Moderator (Detective): The Moderator has the ability to check once a night to see if they are undesirable werewolves (Scum) or an Apprentice. Every other role will appear as a regular Forumer (Townie).
Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge.
Note that only the above roles are guaranteed to be in a game (i.e. 1+ exists of each role above, 0+ exists of each role below).
Banling (Journalist): The Banling can check for forumers with a hidden agenda to support the werewolves, as he is more often present than the Moderator. May check one person each night to see if he is a Detective, Corrupted, Sorcerer or Apprentice. Any other role will appear as a regular forumer to the Journalist.
Forum Troll (Corrupted): They are players who have an interest in supporting the werewolves (because of grudges against the Moderator/Banling or whatnot). They are detectable only by the Banling and return as a regular Forumer to the Moderator.
Stream Sniper (Godfather): Has a vested interest in taking over TeamLiquid or at least reducing its influence. He is aligned with Scum, but is not in contact with them until he scans one of them. He may scan for Scum, the Journalist and the Cop.
Apprentice: Only becomes active if his master is killed. Apprentices works just like their former master. If an Apprentice is in the game, the first one who scans him will make him his apprentice. All further scans on them will only return as "Claimed Apprentice" The apprentice does not know that he is one until he is scanned; and will NOT be informed of the role until he takes the scanner's place.
Streamer (Protector): May protect one person against an attack, by taking them aside every night for coaching, but can't choose to protect the same person two nights in a row and can never protect themselves.
Forum Star (Doctor): May protect one person each night. In case of an attack, the Doctor will be able to save the person from death, but the person saved will have no voting rights for the next day as they lie in their basement room recovering from their wounds. They are also forbidden from publicly speaking and PM (except to the GM). The survivor learns of the Doctor's identity and of the identity of one Scum attacking him. Cannot choose to protect the same person two nights in a row and can never protect themselves.
TRAITS
Rabid Fanboy #1 (Leader): May declare, once per game, that the leader of a vote will be replaced by someone else. His identity will be revealed if he uses his power. In the event of a tie, the number of people in the tie must equal the number of people who must die. The leader can substitute one or as many of the lynch targets. If he/she is part of the vote leader count, they may not substitute someone else for their place, but may pick someone else if they are tied with another person.
Rabid Fanboy #2 (2nd in Command): Will become the Leader if the current Leader is dead. There will be no more than one second-in-command at game start.
Rabid Fanboy #3 (3rd in Command): Will become the Leader if the Leader and Second in command are dead. There will be no more than one third-in-command at game start.
Addicted Watcher (Witness): Once per game, the Witness may try to see the nightly attack. Witness success rate increases by 20% each night (20% on Night 1, 40% on Night 2 etc). If successful, he learns the identity of one Scum in a scum-group that hunted that night. If no kill takes place, the Game Moderator decides whether the ability is used or not.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
Smurf Account (Thief): The player possessing this trait will be able to rob another player of his role and traits. The robbed player will die due to complications in the act of being robbed (read: He was killed by the thief). The Thief retains his Thief trait for the duration of the game, ie, he can keep robbing roles until the end of the game, or until he is dead. The Thief has a 33% chance to be caught, which would mean instant lynching. The chance of being caught doubles every time he steals a role. When he robs a role, his previous role will disappear, meaning he cannot go back to the role he had before.
Stalker (Spy): Can tell something about the other forumers' behavior based on their post. If a player has the Spy trait, he will have the ability to spy on another player, revealing clues to the role and/or traits of that player, but never the role or trait itself. Some clues may be useless, others not. The spy may spy on the same player again to try to obtain more information.
Forum Newbie (Cursed): Can be baited into becoming a troll. If a Cursed person is targeted by the Scum, they become one themselves. It will be revealed as a "no kill during the night". The Cursed will be unaware he is cursed until attacked by a Scum. A cursed apprentice that turns into a Scum loses his apprenticehood.
Forum Veteran (Blessed): Extremely level-headed and neutral, he is unflappable in the face of repeated trolling. A Blessed person will survive a scum attack, but only once (the next attack will be fatal as usual). Will be revealed as a "no kill during the night". The Blessed will be unaware he is blessed, even after an attack.
Perceptive (Attuned): Can tell if people are paying attention to his behavior. An Attuned person will know if someone has scanned them, and will randomly (50/50) know either their name or their role.
Short Fuse (Brutal): Can provoke another forumer into getting banned with a personalized insult. If lynched, has the power to immediately kill one person before being subdued.
Crusading Forumer (Vigilante): Is highly defensive and easily provoked. He may decide to use his one shot to kill anyone he wants once at night.
1. Kurumi 2. TheAwesomeAll of the Ragequitting Rushers Scum Team was hunted Night 3 3. OriginalName the spying Townie was hunted Night 2 4. Trotske the Townie with a Rival was lynched on Day 5 5. Varpulis the spy of the Badmannered Bastards Wolf Team was hunted on Night 5 6. Jackal58 the Leader Townie was lynched Day 2 7. JeeJee the Detective was hunted Night 1 8. snotboogie 9. Da-Muffinman 10. Sknowman the Witness Townie was hunted Night 2 11. slam500 the Vanilla Townie was GM-lynched on Day 4 12. Sevryn 13. sinani206 14. nisani201 the Journalist was lynched on Day 3 15. DroneAllDay the Brutal Townie was hunted on Night 4 16. chaos13 subbed by Curu 2nd in Command Corrupted of the Ragequitting Rushers Scum Team was hunted Night 4 17. Forumite former Vigilante of the Badmannered Bastards Wolf Team was lynched Day 4 18. Navillus the Apprentice was shot on Night 1 19. DropBear the Protector was hunted Night 1 20. hiro protagonist the Blessed Townie with a Rival was hunted on Night 5 21. GreYMisT of the Badmannered Bastards Wolf Team was lynched Day 1
Forum Troll (Corrupted): They are players who have an interest in supporting the werewolves (because of grudges against the Moderator/Banling or whatnot). They are detectable only by the Banling and return as a regular Forumer to the Moderator.
On August 09 2011 02:27 Varpulis wrote: Hey Ciryandor, would you mind color coding the role lists, for the sake of clarity?
edit and what is the difference between a role and a trait?
As far as I understand it roles and traits are not mutually exclusive, so you can have one of each, e.g. you could be a vengeful townie, or a leader godfather, etc.
Roles are the only things which are mutually exclusive to one another; all traits may appear with any role, and there may even be a possibility that someone could have multiple traits; for example a cursed witness Townie is possible, but a Godfather Doctor is not.
As for the voting rules, ties existing allowing multiple lynches are as designed; I want to see if it works here, but rest assured that this has been something that has been done before and has created many a good game.
On August 09 2011 23:49 Sevryn wrote: I would like the slot that opened the game was full thats why i /in as a replacement
This is an OPEN game i.e. all players who want to join can join in. I'm putting you and sinani206 down as regular players. I apologize for the confusion.
I've played mafia/werewolf live before, but this will be my first game online. Is there anything specific to the mechanics of playing online I need to know?
I've played mafia/werewolf live before, but this will be my first game online. Is there anything specific to the mechanics of playing online I need to know?
Its a huge time commitment, you should expect to put in at least 1-2 hours a day to just keep up.
Honestly this is a theme game, so it might not be the best game to start with, but its your call ^_^
I've played mafia/werewolf live before, but this will be my first game online. Is there anything specific to the mechanics of playing online I need to know?
Its a huge time commitment, you should expect to put in at least 1-2 hours a day to just keep up.
Honestly this is a theme game, so it might not be the best game to start with, but its your call ^_^
Hmmm, yeah ok, maybe you'er right. I glanced over the Mafia XLIII thread and came to the conclusion that all of the games on here were gonna have tons of special rules, but after looking closer, its really just a normal game with a TF2 naming scheme, lol. I'll think it over I guess.
Edit: And right as he adds me to the player list, haha.
What's this? A PM game with Sinani206 in it? AND it's super-crazy?
COUNT ME /IN !
Now, I know what you're thinking. "Oh no, not Nisani201, the guy who always lurks and is useless all the time!" But then you would be wrong. Because I am going to contribute a lot. Definitely. So hold back your votes.
On August 10 2011 15:18 Nisani201 wrote: What's this? A PM game with Sinani206 in it? AND it's super-crazy?
COUNT ME /IN !
Now, I know what you're thinking. "Oh no, not Nisani201, the guy who always lurks and is useless all the time!" But then you would be wrong. Because I am going to contribute a lot. Definitely. So hold back your votes.
inb4 me and 206 are rivals.
I'm holding you to that, amigo.
Also, a note to new arrivals. This is a pm game, which means that outside of thread communication is both allowed and suggested. As likely as not, you will be harassed via PM by multiple people, regardless of your alignment.
On August 10 2011 15:18 Nisani201 wrote: What's this? A PM game with Sinani206 in it? AND it's super-crazy?
COUNT ME /IN !
Now, I know what you're thinking. "Oh no, not Nisani201, the guy who always lurks and is useless all the time!" But then you would be wrong. Because I am going to contribute a lot. Definitely. So hold back your votes.
On August 11 2011 08:18 Palmar wrote: by the way if it wasn't clear, I'm intending to post less than usual in this game, just as an experiment for a changed playstyle.
Would eyebrows be raised if 20 variations of John with varying amount of x's in their names (example: xxXxxJohXnXXxx) sign up for the site and then the game within the next 2 hours?
I have a lot of friends named john who play CoD + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2011 09:09 Nisani201 wrote: Actually, me and Palmar are changing places. So I will now be the super-active one, while Palmar will post very little and be scummy.
On August 11 2011 09:09 Nisani201 wrote: Actually, me and Palmar are changing places. So I will now be the super-active one, while Palmar will post very little and be scummy.
On August 11 2011 09:09 Nisani201 wrote: Actually, me and Palmar are changing places. So I will now be the super-active one, while Palmar will post very little and be scummy.
I just found out I'll be a bit more busy at work, and I'm already signed up for one game. I don't want to do this unless I can dedicate myself to it, and I'll focus on ver's game for now.
On August 13 2011 14:50 DroneAllDay wrote: so when should I be expecting my role?
Ciryandor or GM will post when the game is starting, Not sure when that'll be.
Just got home 30 minutes ago. It's 2:40AM here and I'm tipsy and tired from a whole day of shouting at people. I'll need ONE person to call IN, as I've decided to go ahead with it with a 21 person set-up. Also PMed GMarshal with stuff, you'll receive PMs within 12-24 hours with your roles.
Also, do note that once you receive your roles, that the first deadline is a NIGHT deadline, so no voting yet, and that all subsequent deadlines WILL BE CONCURRENT Day/Night cycles. I.E. If you're Scum, you have to send in your KP target before the voting deadline ends. Do note the FOLLOWING ORDER IN IMPLEMENTING ORDERS:
alright guys, in about 10 minutes my good friend Oystermeister, who is totally not me, will join the game.
Please make us different alignments so that i can choose who wins for balance reasons.
Seriously though, somebody sign up, or i'll be forced to try to enlist another friend who will inevitably forget about the game and get modkilled day 1.
On August 10 2011 20:25 Varpulis wrote: Also, a note to new arrivals. This is a pm game, which means that outside of thread communication is both allowed and suggested. As likely as not, you will be harassed via PM by multiple people, regardless of your alignment.
Don't say we didn't warn you.
^
With that said, I'm 100% cool with all the new faces I'm seeing. Do we have an IRC set up yet?
I hate irc in PM games. It's just a whirlwind of stuff that never actually gets anything done. I prefer normal PM's, and I'll probably be with DB just using those. In irc there's just too many people talking at once to communicate effectively.
On August 14 2011 07:16 Sknowman wrote: Can somebody explain the concurrent thing in more detail? Cyriandor's explanation was like this:
Explanation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My head
From what I understand, there is no 24 hour night cycle. Actions are sent in during the day phase, and they lynch and any subsequent night actions happen at the same time.
So it goes
Day 1 -48 hours -During this time we must all vote on a lynch, and any night actions must be sent in.
"Night Post" -Learn lynch results as usual -Learn mafia night kills as would USUALLY happen after another 24 hours -Day 2 begins
So a full cycle is only 48 hours. We just don't have to put up with a 24 hour period of waiting for night to end.
On August 14 2011 07:24 chaos13 wrote: From what I understand, there is no 24 hour night cycle. Actions are sent in during the day phase, and they lynch and any subsequent night actions happen at the same time.
So it goes
Day 1 -48 hours -During this time we must all vote on a lynch, and any night actions must be sent in.
"Night Post" -Learn lynch results as usual -Learn mafia night kills as would USUALLY happen after another 24 hours -Day 2 begins
So a full cycle is only 48 hours. We just don't have to put up with a 24 hour period of waiting for night to end.
K Koo'. Thanks.
On August 14 2011 07:28 Jackal58 wrote:Do I sknow you from somewhere else?
On August 15 2011 00:16 Jackal58 wrote: Has this thing started?
The night before the first turn has started, so anyone with night actions can do them. It should be about 23 hours left on this night, before we begin with the first day with a day post.
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
OP (well, player list to be precise) says it's a 24hour night start -- confirm it's 36?
We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.
Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.
- Many of the usual suspects in speaking out early and setting the tone (e.g. sandroba, GMarshal) are not playing so people need to step up a bit more than usual.
- Blues look much less useful than usual. Both strains of detective can only detect certain scum, medics are either silencers or can't repeat saves, veterans don't even know they are veterans so they can't try to draw scum fire, watchers have a really small chance of getting any information until at least day 3. Not only this several traits which would normally could be considered blue roles are now possible Mafia roles. We need to win this through analysis.
- If there are any rivals in play, please delay your tunnelling until a bit later in the game. We don't want early lynches being concentrated on someone who only helps one person win the game, we need them to be Mafia. Worry about your evil twin later on.
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
So you two are rivals?
Nope. I just wanted to get things rolling and OriginalName was who I picked to get it rolling with. I have no rivals. Thankfully I was spared that this game. I was just following Gmans directions to start yelling at each other.
On August 15 2011 03:54 DropBear wrote: Ok first couple of thoughts:
- Many of the usual suspects in speaking out early and setting the tone (e.g. sandroba, GMarshal) are not playing so people need to step up a bit more than usual.
- Blues look much less useful than usual. Both strains of detective can only detect certain scum, medics are either silencers or can't repeat saves, veterans don't even know they are veterans so they can't try to draw scum fire, watchers have a really small chance of getting any information until at least day 3. Not only this several traits which would normally could be considered blue roles are now possible Mafia roles. We need to win this through analysis.
- If there are any rivals in play, please delay your tunnelling until a bit later in the game. We don't want early lynches being concentrated on someone who only helps one person win the game, we need them to be Mafia. Worry about your evil twin later on.
i can guess what sandroba would do push this game : double lynches every day! and a mass roleclaim to coordinate the blues!! as for your other points they are a trivial, i dont go into a mafia game hoping the blues hit something night 1.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
On August 15 2011 03:54 DropBear wrote: Ok first couple of thoughts:
- Blues look much less useful than usual. Both strains of detective can only detect certain scum, medics are either silencers or can't repeat saves, veterans don't even know they are veterans so they can't try to draw scum fire, watchers have a really small chance of getting any information until at least day 3. Not only this several traits which would normally could be considered blue roles are now possible Mafia roles. We need to win this through analysis.
This. Also, Looks like from the role list that the Godfather can't contact the mafia right away. At least that gives us some sort of early game advantage. we really need to play this carefully due to the fact that multiple lynchings are possible. DropBear is right when he says we just need to play this smart.
Hoping my first game on TL doesnt end in rage and fire :D
On August 15 2011 03:54 DropBear wrote:- If there are any rivals in play, please delay your tunnelling until a bit later in the game. We don't want early lynches being concentrated on someone who only helps one person win the game, we need them to be Mafia. Worry about your evil twin later on.
It´s very hard to win as a Rival, you need to make sure the other one dies AND you need to survive, so I doubt that any rivals will follow your advice. Waiting to kill the rival helps town more than the surviving rival. They might, just don´t count on it.
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.
shit jackal, he foiled our attempts to spread chaos in the first 5 posts of the game. What do you want us to talk about? whether or not to lynch lurkers? It's the same crap every game. At least random accusations get a discussion going.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.
You are one of the most irritating people to argue with ever.
On August 15 2011 04:52 Varpulis wrote: shit jackal, he foiled our attempts to spread chaos in the first 5 posts of the game. What do you want us to talk about? whether or not to lynch lurkers? It's the same crap every game. At least random accusations get a discussion going.
Well then screw this. Spam the thread to hell. Accuse people randomly. I don't care.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.
You are one of the most irritating people to argue with ever.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
Lol. Pretty much every game GMan starts with a town "how to" he's scum.
You are one of the most irritating people to argue with ever.
:p
Sorry man but seriously. I knew my post was useless. GMan had just confirmed that indeed the game was on. I poked ON. Sorry if it offended you. Now what exactly would you like to discuss right now? Should we start another 5 page dissertation on the semantics we wish to use to define a lurker? If you want to do that I'll return when you all are done. I think we should begin with a discussion of the mechanics involved in the game. A lot of them are new to most of us. Not the roles but the traits. And the fact that traits can show up any where.
quick question about the thief trait. If the Thief is say a townie and robs a Mafia, will he become a member of the mafia and have effectively switched sides?
On August 15 2011 05:08 Sevryn wrote: Do you guys think we should try to double and triple lynch? or should we just go after one person a day?
Maybe later on in the game. First and second day the likelihood of lynching more than 1 scum, or even lynching scum at all, is a good deal lower than in the late game, when connections can be found between players and it becomes possible to associate one scum with another.
If we can find scum on the first day we should lynch them, and not push our luck by lynching their best friend too.
On August 15 2011 05:08 Sevryn wrote: Do you guys think we should try to double and triple lynch? or should we just go after one person a day?
idk, the only thing that worries me about doing a multi lynch this early on is its potential to backfire incredibly on us. I think it might be a good idea to coordinate some later in the game though when we have a better idea of whats going on.
On August 15 2011 03:44 Varpulis wrote: btw Nisani is scum
On August 15 2011 03:41 Jackal58 wrote: Sweet. ON has rabies and mange. Kill him with fire.
This kind of stuff is absolutely useless. Unless you two are trying to create chaos and confusion, I suggest you don't spam and don't label anyone as scum without providing a decent reason for it.
Of course it was useless. Wtf could I say of any use with the first post of the game? Let's start a Zodiac list? Let's lynch lurkers? Let's burn the witch? Wtf would you have liked it to say? A 200 word synopsis recapping the highlights of the town mafia guide? All useless shit as well but things scum love to hide in. Kind of like calling a useless post useless.
Spam pisses me off. You should know that by now. I go after spammers pretty much every game. Read some of GMarshal's first posts. He's got the idea of how to do it properly - take the lead, start setting up a pro-town atmosphere. In other words, don't derp and start accusing people of anything. That just wastes time.
You're making a HUGE deal about a useless post at the start of the game. Seriously, they're all irrelevant, even if they're spam. It's stupid to start an argument about it.
On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.
Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.
So what you're saying is if we don't join your bandwagon we're scum? That's a scum agenda right there.
not so, my friend. let me give you an example. The lynch leaders are Ciryandor and GMarshal. If i were to vote Nisani, giving reasons and attempting to convince people to switch, that would be cool. on the other hand, if i were to say "yeah, those guys are pretty scummy, but i'm voting for nisani," and make no effort to actually get nisani lynched, that would not be cool.
I could go and find an example of scum doing it if you'd like, I think i remember somebody in PTP 2.
On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.
Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.
So what you're saying is if we don't join your bandwagon we're scum? That's a scum agenda right there.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
I think we should think about double lynch more. I will pm some people about my idea and after we polish the idea I should present it to You. (It's basically using double lynch to get rid of a lurker everyday)
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits?
Traits have been assigned and PMed to players that have them, check your role PM. Yell at me if you didn't get a role PM. Not everyone has to have traits.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
The loonybin chat is being logged at http://nisani.x10.mx/loonybin.txt , so if you don't want to use IRC but still want to see what's going on, you can look in there.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy?
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start. Sounds like rivals could be of any alignment man.
Yeah, but if a rival would be scum-aligned, wouldn't that make it too easy?
I dunno. The last part describing a rivals wincon is confusing to me.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
unless the rival is scum....
It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town.
If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing
How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
ok so no1s really talking so i figured out id start up the conversation i like The Plan! its a good one, also if we multilynch (coined a new term ) too soon well unnecessarilly kick people out and we dont want to end up eliminating, say, our doctor or other beneficial roles too early (well... really at all) i would like to hear others opinions so that we can really formulate a plan
DropBear's plan: Don't agree with role/traitclaiming. I never support claiming, especially in PM games, it causes confusion and is not worth the potential risk. The rest of his plan seems to be him saying not to do things that people generally tend to avoid the first few nights (Multilynch, cells).
A pretty empty plan for the most part. Could be a godfather-mayor type thing, putting town in his hands from the beginning.
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
I don't like this post. He says "I AGREE! :D" Way to contribute.
On August 15 2011 06:44 slam500 wrote: ok so no1s really talking so i figured out id start up the conversation i like The Plan! its a good one, also if we multilynch (coined a new term ) too soon well unnecessarilly kick people out and we dont want to end up eliminating, say, our doctor or other beneficial roles too early (well... really at all) i would like to hear others opinions so that we can really formulate a plan
I completely agree. However, I do thik the the multilynch can be useful if we have confirmed scum but don't want to waste a vigi hit on it.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.
"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
unless the rival is scum....
It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town.
If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing
How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
Okay what? how would the rival know if its rival was scum? honestly you seem to really want rivals to claim. maybe so your scum buddies can shoot the rival and hope he claimed to someone so we lynch their rival?
The best counter to rivals messing things up is if we just analyze posts and come to our own decisions if someone looks like they are tunneling see if they have a reason or they might be a scum/rival either way its suspicious so if i rival wants to win they wont tunnel hard and it wont affect our game as much.
On August 15 2011 06:43 DropBear wrote: It is less likely for Mafiosos to be paired with Townies as rivals. Mafia and Townies are already opposed. Mafia are not going to be paired with themselves either, its hard enough being a mafioso as it is without completely disrupting the team. I would be very confident that any rivals are Town/Town.
If we do get a Townie/Mafioso rival pairing, the townie should claim now. If the Mafioso denies the pairing, they will be killed for lying as soon as the townie flips. If he ignores the claim, he will be offed as well. He has to confirm the claim or he is dead. The mafioso in the pair can't win unless that person dies, so he can't just bring them to endgame. He's under pressure to stay hidden but he absolutely has to take out his rival as well. Pressure on scum is a good thing
How do you feel about the other claims I suggested?
Not true. I've played with Mafia/Town rivals before. The whole point of that is that the town rival has to defend this rival without the town suspecting him as scum, or decide to give himself up (which would be stupid).
I don't support the other claims. Maybe the Rabid Fanboy leader, but if he's scum then why claim? I don't like claiming.
If we suspect someone as a rival should we kill them to try and take away the win condition of the other rival so they play like a vanilla townie/scum and dont mess with out scumdar?
On August 15 2011 06:50 Sknowman wrote: DropBear's plan: Don't agree with role/traitclaiming. I never support claiming, especially in PM games, it causes confusion and is not worth the potential risk. The rest of his plan seems to be him saying not to do things that people generally tend to avoid the first few nights (Multilynch, cells).
A pretty empty plan for the most part. Could be a godfather-mayor type thing, putting town in his hands from the beginning.
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
I don't like this post. He says "I AGREE! :D" Way to contribute.
No, i agreed with some of the overall idea, but if you notice in the post I actually give a reason why role claiming the Rabid fanboy could be detrimental as his death could inadvertantly give the maifia power. I would like to state that i feel as though claiming rivals might not be the best idea now that i think about it. I feel as though it might cause more harm and confusion than ultimate good.
On August 15 2011 06:57 GreYMisT wrote: No, i agreed with some of the overall idea, but if you notice in the post I actually give a reason why role claiming the Rabid fanboy could be detrimental as his death could inadvertantly give the maifia power.
I would like to state that i feel as though claiming rivals might not be the best idea now that i think about it. I feel as though it might cause more harm and confusion than ultimate good.
Yes, but the Rabid fanboy leader could be scum from the start. Point is WIFOM.
Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
On August 15 2011 07:10 Forumite wrote: Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
XYZ i dont have an opinion, people seem to agree with it though. What if scum scums out? Maybe its good though. Buy maybe it isnt. ##vote forumite
all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other.
On August 15 2011 07:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other.
This very much makes and overall rivals shouldn't be important for all of the non-rivals (keep an eye out for any claims that seem like it just comes from another rival) but other than that we should really ignore the matter.
As for role-claiming I'm against it for now as all it does at this point is help the mafia pick targets. If anyone disagrees I'd be glad to hear why.
On August 15 2011 07:10 Forumite wrote: Mass claiming, I haven´t seen that many arguments for or against, mostly it´s people just agreeing. Those in Dropbears post are powerfull roles (except the Rival), isn´t claiming just giving ammo to the scum? Does knowing those roles help Town? Doesn´t it help Scum more than it helps Town?
There might be benefit to Rival claiming, if they all claim, and that is that scum can´t claim rival later on, to defend themselves when they are accused of tunneling without reason. We can´t know if everyone claims, though, so people can still do it.
XYZ i dont have an opinion, people seem to agree with it though. What if scum scums out? Maybe its good though. Buy maybe it isnt. ##vote forumite
i would go as far to say that claiming rival is extremely scumm, varp made a very good point in irc :
[00:24] <Varpulis> one thing that we can't let happen is scum saying "he was my rival, I had to get him lynched" after leading a shitty bandwagon against an obvious townie
i agree, but lets catch some scum now that we agreed to ignore rivals.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.
Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.
Because if my read is right on him he could easily make himself look scummier by acting nooby again while not actually making him any more likely to be scum.
On August 15 2011 07:47 Navillus wrote: Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming.
I didn't not so what I think I am is how the will this be. Makes fucking sense to me.
On August 15 2011 07:47 Navillus wrote: Also on claiming I'm not policy opposed to claims but I think that for it to work someone needs to figure out exactly who should claim, what we do with them when they do, and what we do with people who should have claimed and didn't. This has not been done and it doesn't look like it will be done so I'm against claiming here, especially because in this game we can't know if someone should have claimed and didn't until it's probably too late we know the traits that need claiming not the people so overall I don't think anyone should claim today just for the sake of claiming.
Thanks for contributing nothing and trying to confuse the fuck out us.
Bleh yes I have a confusing way of writing and use too many run on sentences, but I just gave you my clear opinion. I am not trying to be confusing or hide my actual stance it's just bad writing.
On August 15 2011 07:54 Navillus wrote: Jackal would you like me to use smaller words for you, ok I'll try to speak slowly.
I am ok with claims under some circumstances.
This is not one of them.
Don't claim.
Simple enough?
I'm fluent in jibberish. Allow me to translate what you really said. I'm ok with role claiming. Except for people that shouldn't role claim. But those that should had better do so but how will we know who should and didn't.
Ok seriously I apologize for the bad writing I really am not trying to be confusing and again I am being clear about my stance, I am against claiming traits for the first few days of this game it does not seem useful and people won't do it.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.
Because if my read is right on him he could easily make himself look scummier by acting nooby again while not actually making him any more likely to be scum.
ok you are saying this: 1) hes town 2) hes noob 3) you guys cant see the difference 4) i just saved an innocent :D you know newbs also have a chance to spawn scum right? I agree its a coinflip with newer players so id say a dt check on him would be more then welcome, but you cant just shoot down the pressure because you feel hes town and think we cant handle the reaction you think he would give.
On August 15 2011 08:01 Navillus wrote: Ok seriously I apologize for the bad writing I really am not trying to be confusing and again I am being clear about my stance, I am against claiming traits for the first few days of this game it does not seem useful and people won't do it.
On August 15 2011 08:01 Navillus wrote: Ok seriously I apologize for the bad writing I really am not trying to be confusing and again I am being clear about my stance, I am against claiming traits for the first few days of this game it does not seem useful and people won't do it.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.
Because if my read is right on him he could easily make himself look scummier by acting nooby again while not actually making him any more likely to be scum.
ok you are saying this: 1) hes town 2) hes noob 3) you guys cant see the difference 4) i just saved an innocent :D you know newbs also have a chance to spawn scum right? I agree its a coinflip with newer players so id say a dt check on him would be more then welcome, but you cant just shoot down the pressure because you feel hes town and think we cant handle the reaction you think he would give.
slam500 is shifty as hell. Convo i had with him, i'm oystermeister, he's [zEn]slam500.
I disagree, not wanting to draw attention is a scum thing, saying that you don't want to draw attention looks more like a noob who doesn't want to be the day 1 lynch because he said something stupid, for example because he mentioned he didn't want to draw attention then got killed for it.
why didn't you let him defend himself? there was pressure on slam and you jsut gave him a way out of it without him dogin anything.
Because if my read is right on him he could easily make himself look scummier by acting nooby again while not actually making him any more likely to be scum.
ok you are saying this: 1) hes town 2) hes noob 3) you guys cant see the difference 4) i just saved an innocent :D you know newbs also have a chance to spawn scum right? I agree its a coinflip with newer players so id say a dt check on him would be more then welcome, but you cant just shoot down the pressure because you feel hes town and think we cant handle the reaction you think he would give.
you see whats wrong with that?
Ugh... yes I see what's wrong with that and I did screw up so sorry about that, and no I did not just assume that he is town. But I do still believe that pressuring him is less useful than other people because slips by him are still going to be more ambiguous as they're more likely to be caused by bad play than with others.
And just for the record a DT check on Varp wouldn't be a bad idea either. Wouldn't be the first time scum fabricated text. I'm not FoSing you Varp I simply don't trust anybody.
I think we should wait for Slam to confirm or deny that this convo happened, if he denies it then they should obviously both be checked otherwise I think Varp looks fine.
On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim.
wtf i literally said what you said but with a question mark behind it =.=
On August 15 2011 08:20 Nisani201 wrote: I think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself.
On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
rofl i derped and both misread a post and attributed it to the wrong person. I agree that we should not write him off as scum/noob before we see his response. Discussing it is fine. Don't stop discussing unless something more important is to be discussed. discussion is always good. Have i emphasized that enough?
A wise man once told me.
[19:30] <Sknowman> varp i think you're tired [19:30] <taa__> risk ur mafia career by editing that post [19:30] <Sknowman> take a break
I chose to ignore that wise man and listen to sknowman. I'm going to sleep.
On August 15 2011 05:07 GreYMisT wrote: quick question about the thief trait. If the Thief is say a townie and robs a Mafia, will he become a member of the mafia and have effectively switched sides?
Yes, they become part of scum team; and vice versa, if he as scum robs a townie, he becomes town.
On August 15 2011 05:23 Sevryn wrote: who kills first? if we lynch a scum but they kill someone to make it so its even before the scum dies who wins?
Lynches go first before KPs (as per day/night cycle)
On August 15 2011 05:07 GreYMisT wrote: quick question about the thief trait. If the Thief is say a townie and robs a Mafia, will he become a member of the mafia and have effectively switched sides?
Yes, they become part of scum team; and vice versa, if he as scum robs a townie, he becomes town.
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits?
Sure. Go ahead.
If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
Errrr, ok?!
Also
Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)?
Yes. 0000 KST is the deadline.
So if a townie thief targets a scum he becomes scum And then he targets a townie and becomes townie. And then he outs the entire scum team. Damn wish I was the thief.
On August 15 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:So if a townie thief targets a scum he becomes scum And then he targets a townie and becomes townie. And then he outs the entire scum team. Damn wish I was the thief.
I would imagine he can only use that once then, considering he'd have to take on that person's role from who he steals.
On August 15 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:So if a townie thief targets a scum he becomes scum And then he targets a townie and becomes townie. And then he outs the entire scum team. Damn wish I was the thief.
I would imagine he can only use that once then, considering he'd have to take on that person's role from who he steals.
he takes the role but you can have more than one trait so he gets their traits in addition to
On August 15 2011 09:52 Jackal58 wrote:So if a townie thief targets a scum he becomes scum And then he targets a townie and becomes townie. And then he outs the entire scum team. Damn wish I was the thief.
I would imagine he can only use that once then, considering he'd have to take on that person's role from who he steals.
Smurf Account (Thief): The player possessing this trait will be able to rob another player of his role and traits. The robbed player will die due to complications in the act of being robbed (read: He was killed by the thief). The Thief retains his Thief trait for the duration of the game, ie, he can keep robbing roles until the end of the game, or until he is dead. The Thief has a 33% chance to be caught, which would mean instant lynching. The chance of being caught doubles every time he steals a role. When he robs a role, his previous role will disappear, meaning he cannot go back to the role he had before. I dunno man. Seems like a scummy trait from the get go. Certainly not town friendly.
The Thief can try to use his ability twice, but the first time is just a 2/3 chance of success, the second time 1/3 chance, so it´s very risky to use it more than once, failure means that the thief dies.Thieves are not a problem yet, we will know when the thief kills someone, and have a general idea of his new role due to postchecking of the dead player. Of course we won´t know which player was the thief, but at least there are a few things to go on.
Night guys, and I agree with most of what was said here. lets give slam a chance to defend himself before the deadline before we all start bandwagoning.
On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim.
Is it just me or does the grammar in this post not make any sense?
Anyway, I do think it is a little early for an FoS, especially on a new player like Slam, but it is a good way for him to learn. We should treat everyone the same (except Kenpachi, but I don't think he's in this game) so we shouldn't baby Slam. Discussion of the FoS should continue as usual just like any other.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
Prior to Kurumi getting banned he had PMed me with an idea to use a tie in the voting to effectively eliminate lurkers. I told him I would support such an idea however the mechanics of making it happen need a lot of work. If he was in contact via PM with any body else regarding this idea shoot me a PM and let's see if we can make it work. I thinks it's a good idea but I don't know if it can be implemented.
A quiet day, but a stormy night, as the whole forum was abuzz with talk of one of the biggest transfers in SC2's short life allegedly about to break. Everyone was transfixed by it, but a few had other motives for not taking notice of this event.
Alright so if nothing happened I am going to throw this out there for all of you to chew on. Scum team lies within the multitude of peoples that have not posted in the game yet. Sound plausible?
statistically unlikely, but possible that at least one of the scum hasn't posted yet. Lots of vets too. JeeJee, OrigninalName (vets compared to the very new playerbase of this game)
On August 15 2011 23:49 Varpulis wrote: statistically unlikely, but possible that at least one of the scum hasn't posted yet. Lots of vets too. JeeJee, OrigninalName (vets compared to the very new playerbase of this game)
Well we don't know what the scum count is at the start. As they apparently have the ability to either kill or convert us I would suspect beginning numbers to be quite low. If that is the case then it is more statistically likely that they have not posted. Of course it's entirely possible that something may have happened that we as town have not been told about.
On August 15 2011 23:49 Varpulis wrote: statistically unlikely, but possible that at least one of the scum hasn't posted yet. Lots of vets too. JeeJee, OrigninalName (vets compared to the very new playerbase of this game)
ON was in irc saying he was going until sometime today.
On August 16 2011 00:24 Varpulis wrote: ON was on IRC around 15 hours ago, but never posted anything, and wasn't really saying much in IRC either. Sent him and JeeJee prompting PMs
Ya I poked him with my first post to see if he would react and all I did was piss of Chaos.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
do you?
hihi.
I do indeed. Waiting on slam500 to defend himself, Forumite just gives me a bad vibe. A little to safe and secure in his posting, not taking a stance on anything.
On August 15 2011 23:49 Varpulis wrote: statistically unlikely, but possible that at least one of the scum hasn't posted yet. Lots of vets too. JeeJee, OrigninalName (vets compared to the very new playerbase of this game)
Well we don't know what the scum count is at the start. As they apparently have the ability to either kill or convert us I would suspect beginning numbers to be quite low. If that is the case then it is more statistically likely that they have not posted. Of course it's entirely possible that something may have happened that we as town have not been told about.
I was just out of town dudes. Im back now and reading I swear ill be more active ._.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
Discuss!
Just some flaws ive noticed in the plan while ive been reading:
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
Dont joke about this shit, claiming day 1 to anyone is a stupid idea. This is just obvious role fishing otherwise.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
While preassigned cells are not worth it, try to PM at least 2 people all game long to bounce ideas off them if them. Being active and promoting dissucssion in IRC works fairly well.
The actual role part of the plan isnt a half bad idea but the issue is you have to find a person to claim too in the first place, and that in and of itself is a risk.
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
It says "whatever" meaning more than just scum/spy. Why are you defending Nisani?
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
It says "whatever" meaning more than just scum/spy. Why are you defending Nisani?
Maybe he doesn't want a townie to get lynched because of stupid evidence like that.
In other news, I think we should start discussing Slam. He hasn't posted yet, but I don't really see what information we would gain from him "defending" himself that isn't already in Varp's chat log. And I highly doubt that the logs are fake because it's so easy for Slam to just nullify them anyways. What are people's thoughts?
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
It says "whatever" meaning more than just scum/spy. Why are you defending Nisani?
Maybe he doesn't want a townie to get lynched because of stupid evidence like that.
In other news, I think we should start discussing Slam. He hasn't posted yet, but I don't really see what information we would gain from him "defending" himself that isn't already in Varp's chat log. And I highly doubt that the logs are fake because it's so easy for Slam to just nullify them anyways. What are people's thoughts?
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
It says "whatever" meaning more than just scum/spy. Why are you defending Nisani?
Maybe he doesn't want a townie to get lynched because of stupid evidence like that.
In other news, I think we should start discussing Slam. He hasn't posted yet, but I don't really see what information we would gain from him "defending" himself that isn't already in Varp's chat log. And I highly doubt that the logs are fake because it's so easy for Slam to just nullify them anyways. What are people's thoughts?
Maybe you two should let each other defend themselves. I'm not getting him lynched, I wanna see his reaction.
I still want to see what he says. Like I wanted to see what GreyMist had to say, before you defended him.
I responded above but I fear it might have gotten lost. Basically I was responding to TheAwesomeAll quoting me, not to you talking to Nisani. I misinterpreted the blue post I quoted, and thought it meant only scan,spy abilities could be used.
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
On August 09 2011 01:00 Ciryandor wrote: The Roles & Traits
ROLES
Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge.
looks like you know more about the set up then we do 0_o
On August 16 2011 06:36 Sevryn wrote: If there is a scum thief please steal a townies role and tell us the extra info thanks. also tell us who you swapped with so we can lynch them
Yeah! let's win the game by abusing what could be the most horrible abuse of game mechanics ever!
GREAT IDEA
Nice try nisani, mods won't answer questions like that.
On August 16 2011 06:36 Sevryn wrote: If there is a scum thief please steal a townies role and tell us the extra info thanks. also tell us who you swapped with so we can lynch them
Yeah! let's win the game by abusing what could be the most horrible abuse of game mechanics ever!
GREAT IDEA
Nice try nisani, mods won't answer questions like that.
if the game given its rules is abusable, it's the host's fault, not the players'. in fact it's the players' duty to abuse the fuck out of the game without breaking any rules as far as I'm concerned
also thiefs don't swap with anyone, they kill people
and finally taa brought up a good point in irc -- in a 21player game, it's unlikely that scum will have just one kp -- and in that case, it's even more unlikely that all the kp will fail. So they probably couldn't hit anyone n0. not to take anything away from nisani's post because he didn't go through that thought process before making it though.
Hia all, ok so in saying those things to varpulis in our private chat, i was just looking for advice on what to do. I wasn't sure if being the starter of a discussion would look extremely scummy and i was looking for some help. As for who i think is scummy, I'm not entirely sure yet.
And as a final comment (sorry for tripple posting i kept thinking of something else to add after i was done) i think we should at this point direct the discussion back too the game as alot of the thread is talking about op trait/role combos. (and yes i know that putting the discussion back on the game is virtual suicide as I already seem to be a suspect)
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
But this game has a pardoner type role that could undo a last minute lynch if he's on top of things.
On August 15 2011 04:52 Varpulis wrote: shit jackal, he foiled our attempts to spread chaos in the first 5 posts of the game. What do you want us to talk about? whether or not to lynch lurkers? It's the same crap every game. At least random accusations get a discussion going.
Well then screw this. Spam the thread to hell. Accuse people randomly. I don't care.
This post early on, coupled with his current lack of activity make me lean slightly scummy on him.
On August 16 2011 08:50 Varpulis wrote: 3 way lynch? Ambitious. I'll roll with it.
Slam500, feel like contributing your opinon? in over 150 posts in the thread you can't find a single scummy person? Some effort would be nice.
We should not be 3 way lynching D1.
We lynch our scummiest suspect first and see if we are going in the right direction.
Right now Slam500 is not a half bad lynch. However we have to keep in mind that he is a newbie, he is going to make mistakes and possibly be really intimidated, causing him to make more mistakes.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
But this game has a pardoner type role that could undo a last minute lynch if he's on top of things.
That´s just one more thing that can ruin an attempt to get a multilynch, it´s not a good thing if you want to facilitate a multilynch. It´s a powerfull role, but he´s a player like everyone else, if he doesn´t want a multilynch, he can change it, and immediately become the next suspect.
On August 16 2011 08:32 Navillus wrote: Well forumite that seems like more of a problem with the scumhunting than the method of killing, so what do you think of the 3 people on jackels list?
Our scumhunting was based on the assumption that the one who changed the lynch must be scum, it didn´t work in that game, even though it´s a common tactic.
As for the 3 candidates, I got a scumwibe from JeeJees low posting the first day, since then it´s picked up, at least with the accusing, nisani201 said a few things that might be a slip, or just a noob mistake, could warrant a check at least. I haven´t found what Jackal was accusing Greymist of, I would appreciate if someone could point it out.
[19:17] <OriginalName> Forumite [19:17] <OriginalName> isnt a half bad lynch atm [19:17] <OriginalName> Nisani's "Scumslip" [19:17] <OriginalName> is not worth lynching over [19:18] <OriginalName> we did something similer on YM last game [19:18] <OriginalName> and he was Town [19:18] <Varpulis> i'd say forumite/slam500 are both good targets [19:18] <OriginalName> Slam500 is also a half decent target [19:18] <OriginalName> but [19:18] <OriginalName> hes really really newbie as fuck [19:18] <OriginalName> which makes me go for forumite over him [19:18] <OriginalName> Forumite [19:18] <OriginalName> is being useless as hell [19:18] <OriginalName> generic advice [19:18] <OriginalName> up the wall [19:18] <OriginalName> feigning inactivity [19:18] <Nisani201> there's not much to say though [19:18] <Varpulis> active lurking [19:19] <Varpulis> more like [19:19] <OriginalName> errr [19:19] <OriginalName> i meant [19:19] <OriginalName> Feigning activity [19:19] <OriginalName> Whenever he gets called out [19:19] <OriginalName> he comes [19:19] <OriginalName> but never when he doesnt have too [19:19] <OriginalName> Im going to throw my vote on him
I frankly agree with JeeJee at this point.
##Vote: Forumite
Also guys forget about multilynch, its too easy to manipulate and some townie is going to end up fucking with scum reads during switches. Just play it like a normal unless we REALLY need it or have a far enough lead to use it without too much fear.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it.
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush.
I said this in irc, but i'd like to put it in the thread: I take back my previous statement supporting the multilynch. (oh no he changed his mind he's mafia)
I wouldn't mind a vig on any of the targets proposed, but i forsee logistical errors and a thread full of less scumhunting and discussion and more directing people to vote for x y z.
one lynch, like a normal game. slam500 needs to step it up. The standard level of prodding isn't sufficient here.
On August 16 2011 08:50 Varpulis wrote: 3 way lynch? Ambitious. I'll roll with it.
Slam500, feel like contributing your opinon? in over 150 posts in the thread you can't find a single scummy person? Some effort would be nice.
We should not be 3 way lynching D1.
We lynch our scummiest suspect first and see if we are going in the right direction.
Right now Slam500 is not a half bad lynch. However we have to keep in mind that he is a newbie, he is going to make mistakes and possibly be really intimidated, causing him to make more mistakes.
Nisani makes a blatant scum slip and then disappears and you want to lynch a noob?
Varps right Slam looked suspicious sort of made an excuse and hasn't said anything else all game, speak now or forever hold your peace (which means die)
Forumite isn't a good lynch for today. Though it might seem like he is just randomly babbling on about stuff if you look through the filter, it should be noted that they were mainly responding to someone else. So it's not spam.
On August 16 2011 08:50 Varpulis wrote: 3 way lynch? Ambitious. I'll roll with it.
Slam500, feel like contributing your opinon? in over 150 posts in the thread you can't find a single scummy person? Some effort would be nice.
We should not be 3 way lynching D1.
We lynch our scummiest suspect first and see if we are going in the right direction.
Right now Slam500 is not a half bad lynch. However we have to keep in mind that he is a newbie, he is going to make mistakes and possibly be really intimidated, causing him to make more mistakes.
Nisani makes a blatant scum slip and then disappears and you want to lynch a noob?
I lynched off a "Blatent scumslip" last game and we hit town.
On August 16 2011 09:40 Nisani201 wrote: Forumite isn't a good lynch for today. Though it might seem like he is just randomly babbling on about stuff if you look through the filter, it should be noted that they were mainly responding to someone else. So it's not spam.
He may have been responding to other people but he has yet to post any real opinions and has been only responding to questions. don't you think that makes him scummy?
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you.
and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree?
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you.
and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree?
The deadline isn´t in 5 minutes...
And you are wrong, discussing tactics is important, because things like massclaiming and multilynching needs a following to be of any use.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you.
and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree?
The deadline isn´t in 5 minutes...
And you are wrong, discussing tactics is important, because things like massclaiming and multilynching needs a following to be of any use.
oh you're right, the deadline isn't in five minutes thanks so much for clearing that up. whew.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
do you?
On August 16 2011 02:33 JeeJee wrote: discussing claim strategies for roles that may not even be in the game is a waste of time, drop it.
On August 15 2011 13:53 hiro protagonist wrote: good day all, Im here to slay me some werewolves!
Claiming is bad, don't do it in thread or PM.
Plans that involve claiming to one person before there has even been a lynch suck. Unless Ciryandor comes in and says "hey btw hiro protagonist is town", its not worth it.
Scum hunting in PM land is OP
See you in the morning!
amigo, do you have anything other than the obvious to tell us? Do you think that slam500 and Forumite are scummy, and why?
As soon as the day rolls around i'm going to send a pm to everybody who hasn't posted at all to prompt them. Too many vets are lurking in this game.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
hmm i don't think you understand. nothing about my vote is random, and i don't do pressure votes because they're a waste of time. when i vote, i think that person is a good candidate to die at the time. this means you.
and yes, posting irrelevant stuff about multilynching is indeed not contributing. what exactly are you waiting for before you start contributing? if the deadline was in 5 minutes, you're the best candidate, wouldn't you agree?
The deadline isn´t in 5 minutes...
And you are wrong, discussing tactics is important, because things like massclaiming and multilynching needs a following to be of any use.
oh you're right, the deadline isn't in five minutes thanks so much for clearing that up. whew.
Does Trotske talk any in PMs? There´s not much in the Irc from him, just "Watch Hiro" and "Let´s troll"
There were a few other very slow posters, and Kurumi of course. It´s easier to get away with lurking in a PM game, because everyone assume they talk to someone else, which is why we have to ask others if the slow players are lurking or not.
Forumite gave me a scummy vibe from the beginning. His posts are empty, and it seems like he's just a distraction to town. Everything he says is irrelevant, even his defense of him being lynched. Overall, he seems scummier.
However, Nisani's slip seems pretty big. Also, he seems to defend people (e.g. Gryemisty) as well, and they defend him back.
I think I'm going to vote Forumite because analysis>anything else in this game.
I'm not going to have access to my computer for a few hours, posting from my phone. Vote stays on slam500 until he shows a proficiency to post more than generic advice.
If we have any vigs, open fire on lurkers. Who qualifies as a lurker is under your discretion, but i'd like to not have them around, this game is quiet enough as it is.
Ok so from what I've seen I'm going to vote for Nisani off of what is a pretty bug scumslip. Which means that if Nisani is scum Greymist is definitely scum too. But first we need to lynch Nisani.
On August 16 2011 22:04 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##vote nisani201 Magical knowledge and failing to give any reasons or giving a good defense. I dont get why people even argue over this one.
I did give a good defense, and you were in the IRC chatroom while it happened. Don't lie about that shit. (The chat starts at the bottom and ends at the top)
14:07 < shinbi> i see 14:06 < Nisani201> so I said that I wasn't sure 14:06 < Nisani201> t as obvious as i thought 14:06 < Nisani201> And then I thought, if he was asking that question, then maybe the answer wasn' 14:06 < shinbi> and then? 14:06 < shinbi> so you thought 'ah, no kp due to night post, let's say that!' 14:05 < shinbi> just run me through the thought process here 14:05 < Nisani201> i'm confused as to what you want me to respond to now 14:05 < Nisani201> i just said 14:05 < shinbi> ? 14:04 < shinbi> and then 14:04 < shinbi> so you posted that with certainty due to that reasoning 14:04 < shinbi> ok nisani 14:04 < shinbi> hold on taa 14:04 < taa> then why didnt you say that? 14:03 < Nisani201> and I figured that there would be no KP because the night post didn't mention sending in kills 14:02 < shinbi> and then? 14:02 < Nisani201> i said it with complete certainty by instinct, because saying things tentatively is even worse 14:02 < Sknowman> "at least, i don't think they can" 14:01 < Sknowman> discrediting it 14:01 < Sknowman> then quickly made a post 14:01 < Sknowman> why you said with complete certainty "Scum had no KP" 14:01 < Sknowman> about 14:01 < Nisani201> ? 14:01 < Nisani201> about how I thought mafia didn't have any KP last night 14:00 < Sknowman> everything we just talked about 14:00 < Nisani201> explain what 13:59 < Sknowman> care to explain? 13:59 < Sknowman> nisani
I'd vote for you, but unfortunately you probably wont get lynched because I guess I'm the only one who sees through this bullshit. So instead I'm going to vote for the second best lynch, which is slam500.
On August 16 2011 22:04 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##vote nisani201 Magical knowledge and failing to give any reasons or giving a good defense. I dont get why people even argue over this one.
I did give a good defense, and you were in the IRC chatroom while it happened. Don't lie about that shit. (The chat starts at the bottom and ends at the top)
14:07 < shinbi> i see 14:06 < Nisani201> so I said that I wasn't sure 14:06 < Nisani201> t as obvious as i thought 14:06 < Nisani201> And then I thought, if he was asking that question, then maybe the answer wasn' 14:06 < shinbi> and then? 14:06 < shinbi> so you thought 'ah, no kp due to night post, let's say that!' 14:05 < shinbi> just run me through the thought process here 14:05 < Nisani201> i'm confused as to what you want me to respond to now 14:05 < Nisani201> i just said 14:05 < shinbi> ? 14:04 < shinbi> and then 14:04 < shinbi> so you posted that with certainty due to that reasoning 14:04 < shinbi> ok nisani 14:04 < shinbi> hold on taa 14:04 < taa> then why didnt you say that? 14:03 < Nisani201> and I figured that there would be no KP because the night post didn't mention sending in kills 14:02 < shinbi> and then? 14:02 < Nisani201> i said it with complete certainty by instinct, because saying things tentatively is even worse 14:02 < Sknowman> "at least, i don't think they can" 14:01 < Sknowman> discrediting it 14:01 < Sknowman> then quickly made a post 14:01 < Sknowman> why you said with complete certainty "Scum had no KP" 14:01 < Sknowman> about 14:01 < Nisani201> ? 14:01 < Nisani201> about how I thought mafia didn't have any KP last night 14:00 < Sknowman> everything we just talked about 14:00 < Nisani201> explain what 13:59 < Sknowman> care to explain? 13:59 < Sknowman> nisani
I'd vote for you, but unfortunately you probably wont get lynched because I guess I'm the only one who sees through this bullshit. So instead I'm going to vote for the second best lynch, which is slam500.
##Vote: slam500
I dont know why everyone is jumping on it as a scumslip as I figured that was the case anyways ._.
On August 16 2011 04:08 Nisani201 wrote: At least, I don't think they can.
This is the scum slip imo. not that he thinks that mafia didn't have any KP. Why would he try to make himself look like he wasn't sure unless after he posted he realized it wasn't common knowledge. I mean most people prob thought that the scum must not have had KP last night but hes the person who said it then tried to make it look like he wasn't certain.
On August 16 2011 04:08 Nisani201 wrote: At least, I don't think they can.
This is the scum slip imo. not that he thinks that mafia didn't have any KP. Why would he try to make himself look like he wasn't sure unless after he posted he realized it wasn't common knowledge. I mean most people prob thought that the scum must not have had KP last night but hes the person who said it then tried to make it look like he wasn't certain.
Did you read the chat logs? I explained the reasoning for that post in the chat logs.
On August 16 2011 22:04 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##vote nisani201 Magical knowledge and failing to give any reasons or giving a good defense. I dont get why people even argue over this one.
I did give a good defense, and you were in the IRC chatroom while it happened. Don't lie about that shit. (The chat starts at the bottom and ends at the top)
14:07 < shinbi> i see 14:06 < Nisani201> so I said that I wasn't sure 14:06 < Nisani201> t as obvious as i thought 14:06 < Nisani201> And then I thought, if he was asking that question, then maybe the answer wasn' 14:06 < shinbi> and then? 14:06 < shinbi> so you thought 'ah, no kp due to night post, let's say that!' 14:05 < shinbi> just run me through the thought process here 14:05 < Nisani201> i'm confused as to what you want me to respond to now 14:05 < Nisani201> i just said 14:05 < shinbi> ? 14:04 < shinbi> and then 14:04 < shinbi> so you posted that with certainty due to that reasoning 14:04 < shinbi> ok nisani 14:04 < shinbi> hold on taa 14:04 < taa> then why didnt you say that? 14:03 < Nisani201> and I figured that there would be no KP because the night post didn't mention sending in kills 14:02 < shinbi> and then? 14:02 < Nisani201> i said it with complete certainty by instinct, because saying things tentatively is even worse 14:02 < Sknowman> "at least, i don't think they can" 14:01 < Sknowman> discrediting it 14:01 < Sknowman> then quickly made a post 14:01 < Sknowman> why you said with complete certainty "Scum had no KP" 14:01 < Sknowman> about 14:01 < Nisani201> ? 14:01 < Nisani201> about how I thought mafia didn't have any KP last night 14:00 < Sknowman> everything we just talked about 14:00 < Nisani201> explain what 13:59 < Sknowman> care to explain? 13:59 < Sknowman> nisani
I'd vote for you, but unfortunately you probably wont get lynched because I guess I'm the only one who sees through this bullshit. So instead I'm going to vote for the second best lynch, which is slam500.
##Vote: slam500
I dont know why everyone is jumping on it as a scumslip as I figured that was the case anyways ._.
Here is another reason why slam500 is a better lynch, he provides more information than me. From the IRC: (this one starts at the top like a normal convo)
01:27 < Varpulis> the alignments of the guys defending you 01:27 < Nisani201> who is defending m 01:27 < Varpulis> or at least hints to it 01:27 < Varpulis> ON 01:27 < Nisani201> if i flip town, ON could still be mafia 01:27 < Nisani201> trying to make friends 01:29 -!- Kurumi [Kurumi@host-81-190-111-34.gdynia.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout] 01:29 < Varpulis> good point 01:29 < Varpulis> but if you're mafia, guess who's also mafia? 01:29 < Nisani201> who? 01:29 < Varpulis> ON, for defending you to the last 01:30 < Nisani201> what if ON is a dt 01:30 < Nisani201> and detected me last night 01:30 < Nisani201> oh well i guess you're under the assumption that i'm scum, so that doesn't work 01:31 < Navillus> also i think greymist is still much more suspicious if you flip scum, i mean it would be really stupid to have 2 scum defend you hard bc then if we lynch you theyre really fucked 01:32 < Nisani201> the problem with you're plan 01:32 < Nisani201> is that i'm not scum 01:32 < Navillus> well i saw that coming 01:32 < Nisani201> if I flip townie, what information will you gain? 01:33 < Nisani201> furthermore, if slam500 gets lynched, it provides information on navillus 01:33 < Nisani201> not matter which way he flips 01:33 < Navillus> if you flip town i will gain info, less info and harder to find info but i will gain it 01:33 < Nisani201> what info is gained if i flip town? 01:33 < Nisani201> brb 01:34 < Navillus> now i would share but im actually working under the assumption that you will have bright red blood when we kill you and so that would be a bad idea 01:36 < Nisani201> so if i flip town 01:36 < Nisani201> no information will be gained
That seems to talk about why you are a good lynch... also I like, no I actually love how you're saying that varp and I are the "defenders" of slam when we are 2 of the 3 people voting for him right now
01:27 < Nisani201> if i flip town, ON could still be mafia 01:27 < Nisani201> trying to make friends 01:29 -!- Kurumi [Kurumi@host-81-190-111-34.gdynia.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout] 01:29 < Varpulis> good point 01:29 < Varpulis> but if you're mafia, guess who's also mafia? 01:29 < Nisani201> who? 01:29 < Varpulis> ON, for defending you to the last 01:30 < Nisani201> what if ON is a dt
Im not defending him to the last. Im merely stating that I doubt this is going to cause us to net scum, however as far as day 1 evidence goes I guess I can see why everyone is jumping on the wagon.
Im still going to look around for alternatives since really most of the main suspects are newbs aside from Nisani and JeeJee.
Im going to take a look at Grey with my next post.
01:27 < Nisani201> if i flip town, ON could still be mafia 01:27 < Nisani201> trying to make friends 01:29 -!- Kurumi [Kurumi@host-81-190-111-34.gdynia.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout] 01:29 < Varpulis> good point 01:29 < Varpulis> but if you're mafia, guess who's also mafia? 01:29 < Nisani201> who? 01:29 < Varpulis> ON, for defending you to the last 01:30 < Nisani201> what if ON is a dt
Im not defending him to the last. Im merely stating that I doubt this is going to cause us to net scum, however as far as day 1 evidence goes I guess I can see why everyone is jumping on the wagon.
Im still going to look around for alternatives since really most of the main suspects are newbs aside from Nisani and JeeJee.
Im going to take a look at Grey with my next post.
slam is a better lynch than me because he provides information on Nav not matter which way he flips, while lynching me will only provide information if I am scum. But that doesn't work because I'm not scum.
On August 17 2011 05:40 Navillus wrote: That seems to talk about why you are a good lynch... also I like, no I actually love how you're saying that varp and I are the "defenders" of slam when we are 2 of the 3 people voting for him right now
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
So basically Grey makes a similer "slip" to Nisani and in all honesty is much more useless at this point.
On August 17 2011 04:18 GreYMisT wrote: Voting Nisani as well, its either him or slam500, but atm we have more evidence for Nisani in my opinion.
Sheeps onto Nisani for no real reason.
If anything Id almost rather go after him because at least Nisani is here most of the time.
I'm changing my vote to Nisani. After seeing his defense and the other chat (the one I wasn't in), it's all pretty weak. I was torn between him and Forumite anyways.
On August 17 2011 06:55 Sknowman wrote: I'm changing my vote to Nisani. After seeing his defense and the other chat (the one I wasn't in), it's all pretty weak. I was torn between him and Forumite anyways.
My defense is no weaker than the initial evidence against me.
slam is likely as not getting modkilled (which, by the way, would make him the third out of 3 friends who i've introduced to mafia to get modkilled day 1).
I'm switching to nisani, as i stated i would on irc. I think he's scum, and his flip will be valuable regardless.
I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee
As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201
I'm switching on to Nisani, which I intended the whole time. Voting slam was pressure and to see if anyone would jump an easy non-Nisani bandwagon which Nisani did just to try to save himself (it should be noted that he admitted that he was more suspicious of taa but was actually just voting slam because it had votes already). If you don't believe me I told Varp at the time I voted that I planned to switch the whole time.
##Vote Nisani201
As a side note this takes away Nisani's reasons to vote for slam too because he said in irc that voting slam would give info on me because if slam was town then I'm probably scum trying to kill him but that's obviously false because I never was going to actually go through with the vote.
ok nisani, whenever you check someone just tell us if hes town or not. Pm the guy you tested his role so that you cant fake your role and dont have to out blues. With that in mind you dont need to get lynched since you cant fake your role. with other words : you check x pm x's role to x x says in thread nisani is right and that for a day of 3 ##unvote
On August 17 2011 08:07 Nisani201 wrote: I'm Banling. I checked Forumite last night and he returned Townie.
GG
Interesting.
Before anything else -- forumite, do you agree? If forumite says nisani's lying, then we have a scum among the two. yay. But it's more likely that forumite will agree. In that case, see below:
Before anybody gets excited about forumite actually being townie -- just pointing out that: all that result shows is that he's not a detective, corrupted, apprentice or sorcerer (is this role even in this game?). He may very well be vanilla scum or godfather. My suspicion of him stands as is, and is only strengthened by his silly omgus on me (not to mention ignoring some of my posts and attempt to show I don't do any analysis with the rest? please.), as well as his continuous useless posting without any content at all.
With that said, back to the banling claim. This claim doesn't make nisani a good lynch day one. If he's mafia, he will have to keep making up results every cycle, one of which will eventually trip him up, leading to an insta-vig or insta-lynch. Remember mafia don't know roles, they only know alignments. They can fake being alignment cops -- but not rolecops. If he's town, mafia will have to kill him and spare us the trouble.
This brings us back to the issue of the d1 lynch. I'm still more than happy with forumite being the target, especially now that he's tied to nisani.
I would also like to bring up dropbear -- who didn't do anything in this thread apart from talking about rivals and throwing away his day one vote with no reasoning. Where have you gone to?
Alright Nisani. My vote is off of you. I've watched you defend yourself from a lynch as scum and as a townie. Townie wins in this comparison. So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why?
Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game?
On August 17 2011 09:17 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ok nisani, whenever you check someone just tell us if hes town or not. Pm the guy you tested his role so that you cant fake your role and dont have to out blues. With that in mind you dont need to get lynched since you cant fake your role. with other words : you check x pm x's role to x x says in thread nisani is right and that for a day of 3 ##unvote
I like this plan.
On August 17 2011 09:35 Jackal58 wrote: So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why?
I would like to see slam500 or TAA lynched. Slam500 for reasons I stated earlier (he provides information) but also TAA, mainly for this post:
On August 16 2011 22:04 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##vote nisani201 Magical knowledge and failing to give any reasons or giving a good defense. I dont get why people even argue over this one.
This is not OMGUS. If he were town-aligned then he would have no reason to state what I put in bold. It is a flat out lie.
I would also like to bring up dropbear -- who didn't do anything in this thread apart from talking about rivals and throwing away his day one vote with no reasoning. Where have you gone to?
JeeJee makes very good point in this post. the only real information we have about dropbear is that he posted "the plan" which basically consisted of roleclaiming certain traits. on top of that he also stated that everyone should roleclaim to him via pm asap. after making this plan he drops off the map, seeing how unreceptive we were about that idea. he then proceded to throw his vote away on someone who he knew would not be lynched. I propose we lynch dropbear, and have our detective investigate nishani tonight to see if he is telling the truth.
On August 17 2011 09:40 Varpulis wrote: alright, here are our options, as i see them:
We lynch nisani anyways (bad)
we lynch forumite to confirm nisani (ok)
we pick another person to lynch (also ok)
##unvote
I guess we can't lynch nisani in case he's telling the truth. So.
[b][##unvote nisani/b]
However, I still believe either nisani or forumite or both of them is/are scum. I say we lynch Forumite, as that'd get us information. Good information.
Slam500 is probably going to get modkilled. Look at his posts. all of the one's ingame are between 6-8 kst. He's probably not going to remember to check the thread before the deadline, because it's 11am in our timezone.
TAA's posts are good on a whole, imo. I don't think he's scum and i don't think we should lynch him.
I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
Ok I'm unvoting nisani but I think both of his lynch ideas are bad. He wants TAA for attacking him (that wasn't lying a "good" defense is very subjective, most people didn't think it was a good defense) and his reason for lynching Slam is that it gives info on me because I was voting Slam, but I wasn't actually going to vote slam, ergo no info.
Right now I'm not putting my vote on anyone because I don't have a great lynch candidate.
On August 17 2011 09:40 Varpulis wrote: alright, here are our options, as i see them:
We lynch nisani anyways (bad)
we lynch forumite to confirm nisani (ok)
we pick another person to lynch (also ok)
##unvote
Terrible post. You don't lynch people to "confirm" a DT, you lynch who you think is scummiest.
Trotske has 4 posts which don't say anything at all and no vote. Where you at bro?
That slam-Varpulis convo posted makes slam look absolutely, positively, TERRIBLE.
[zEn] slam500: cause a townie with attention is more likely to be lynched [zEn] slam500: and the more ne1 talks the more they slip [zEn] slam500: no1 is slip proof
This might just be the most anti-Town post I have ever read. Ever. The more scum talks the more they slip. Townies have nothing to hide, they aren't going to slip.
I don't like Forumite thus far. From his post:
On August 17 2011 07:57 Forumite wrote: I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee
As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201
He seems to think JeeJee is the most scummy, but doesn't even try to push. Instead parks his vote on Nisani. FoS on JeeJee that has no real purpose but...
On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote: My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer.
Say whaaaaat?
DropBear, slam, Muffin need to seriously step up their posting.
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
On August 17 2011 04:18 GreYMisT wrote: Voting Nisani as well, its either him or slam500, but atm we have more evidence for Nisani in my opinion.
Yeah, no. A post that supports Nisani's slip as being reasonable, then parking his vote on Nisani anyways. I don't think so.
Oh and add Trotske, Snotboogie (does this guy even have a post?), hiro protagonist (does he?) and DroneAllDay to the list of people who need to post more (and better).
Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets.
This seemed to indicate no KPs first night
On August 16 2011 04:44 GreYMisT wrote: I responded above but I fear it might have gotten lost. Basically I was responding to TheAwesomeAll quoting me, not to you talking to Nisani. I misinterpreted the blue post I quoted, and thought it meant only scan,spy abilities could be used.
On August 17 2011 04:18 GreYMisT wrote: Voting Nisani as well, its either him or slam500, but atm we have more evidence for Nisani in my opinion.
does not compute. Blatant contradiction between his actions and his vote. His rapid switch to dropbear confuses me greatly.
##vote greymist subject to change, i might check in in between games of the dota 2 tournament tomorrow.
On August 17 2011 11:05 Navillus wrote: Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
I think slam is scummy but looks like he might get modkilled here
I would also like to bring up dropbear -- who didn't do anything in this thread apart from talking about rivals and throwing away his day one vote with no reasoning. Where have you gone to?
JeeJee makes very good point in this post. the only real information we have about dropbear is that he posted "the plan" which basically consisted of roleclaiming certain traits. on top of that he also stated that everyone should roleclaim to him via pm asap. after making this plan he drops off the map, seeing how unreceptive we were about that idea. he then proceded to throw his vote away on someone who he knew would not be lynched. I propose we lynch dropbear, and have our detective investigate nishani tonight to see if he is telling the truth.
##UNVOTE ##VOTE: DROPBEAR
There is absolutely zero reason to lynch dropbear, at the very least his plan started dissucssion for town. There are way better candidates, such as you who despite all the pressure have decided to attack a decent townread.
On August 17 2011 11:24 Nisani201 wrote: Based on what people have been saying, I'm liking the DropBear lynch. JeeJee will be checked tonight. Medics, PLEASE make sure to protect me.
I might not be the most active for the next day or so, as shit has come up IRL. Sense its unlikely I will find a replacement, I will do my best to be as active as possible.
On August 17 2011 14:24 hiro protagonist wrote: bad day.
I might not be the most active for the next day or so, as shit has come up IRL. Sense its unlikely I will find a replacement, I will do my best to be as active as possible.
checking thread now, brb.
Sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out for you man.
On August 17 2011 14:24 hiro protagonist wrote: bad day.
I might not be the most active for the next day or so, as shit has come up IRL. Sense its unlikely I will find a replacement, I will do my best to be as active as possible.
checking thread now, brb.
Sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out for you man.
thanks
So, just caught up. I think GreyMist is a good vote. that being said, I would have parked my vote on Forumite if there was not for that claim by Nisani. I like the plan of telling him who to check, then having Nisani PM what his find was to the checked, so that they could confirm if he is lying without giving away a blue role. and if it comes up red we lynch to confirm.
It seems as though there are some misconceptions about my "scumslip"
On August 17 2011 11:05 Navillus wrote: Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
Navillus pretty much summed it up for me, though I would like to add more. At the time of nishani's scumslip, I was responding to what i believed to be an attack on me from TAA. I was not defending nishani rather defending myself from the following post:
On August 16 2011 04:13 GreYMisT wrote: So Mafia couldn't kill last night, but other actions could be taken right?
and lol at the HuK picture.
* disappointed stare of disappointment*
I provided my reasoning that mafia had no kp's on day0 due to both the blue post I quoted later on and the fact that it was called day0, which was an erroneous assumption to make.
I hope that clears the waters a bit for you guys. I stand firm in my vote for Dropbear as he went afk after presenting a plan that required us to all roleclaim to him privately.
On August 17 2011 14:58 Nisani201 wrote: The only problem is that I cannot check if someone is a medic or protector. They will only return Townie.
OK so the way this is set up is the DT is almost un confirm able which is no bueno. however i dont think we can risk that nisani is telling the truth on a "scumslip" that i think a good many people were assuming anyway
Yeah he really is unconfirmable, he can either check a scum and have them lie or if he checks a townie the only things he might return are apprentice which the townie won't know and detective who won't want to confirm that they're not vanilla because then the scum will know.
On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite
I did a FoS because it had to be done, but I´m not wasting my vote if I don´t think JeeJee is going to get lynched.
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About Nisanis201's rolecheck, I can confirm it, his check result is correct. It doesn´t make him a confirmed Blue, but it gives us enough reason to not lynch him right now.
We don´t want to lynch a possible Nisani201, the next candidates are Slam500 and Greymist. Between those, Greymist at least posts in the thread, from looking at the thread and cursory glance at the Irc-chat, Slam500 dropped out of the game a day ago. I´m not sure if I´m here for the deadline, so my vote goes out now.
On August 17 2011 11:05 Navillus wrote: Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
Navillus pretty much summed it up for me, though I would like to add more. At the time of nishani's scumslip, I was responding to what i believed to be an attack on me from TAA. I was not defending nishani rather defending myself from the following post:
On August 16 2011 04:13 GreYMisT wrote: So Mafia couldn't kill last night, but other actions could be taken right?
and lol at the HuK picture.
* disappointed stare of disappointment*
I provided my reasoning that mafia had no kp's on day0 due to both the blue post I quoted later on and the fact that it was called day0, which was an erroneous assumption to make.
I hope that clears the waters a bit for you guys. I stand firm in my vote for Dropbear as he went afk after presenting a plan that required us to all roleclaim to him privately.
Lol you do realise that you agreed with every word? Almost directly afterward?
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
The plan was an absolute pile of horseshit. How do we even know these roles are in the game? It was an idiocy I concocted to get reactions. Reactions like yours
I basically said, people with powerful roles should open claim and people should limit their out of thread communication. Agreeing with it word for word is either newbie or Mafia. You did this, as did slam500 and Varpulis.
The bandwagoning from you has been pretty fast. Onto Nisani despite defending him, then onto me because I "advocated claiming to me"and because JeeJee and Nisani brought me up first. Everyone else worked out that was a joke pretty fast. It even had a smiley face next to it!
I'm not quite ready to vote for you because our brief PM convo early in the game showed a lot of sense and this is your first TL game but you need to step it up dude. The "scum slip" that everyone is banging on about doesn't interest me at all and is inconsequential. What DOES worry me is that you agreed with the plan with no reservations and your quick bandwagoning. You've been the third or fourth person on a train each time so far which is the scummiest time to get on board.
My post about everyone claiming to me was a joke in a post that was a joke. What other reasons do you have to kill me?
I am not remotely interested in lynching him. He's playing his first game ever. It's PM which is trickier, plus this is a more complex setup than normal games. The "dodginess" that Varpuli pointed out basically amounted to him saying "I don't want to stand out cos I might die". That is pretty normal for a new player to say.
He does need to be more active but a lynch on him at this point is not what I'd do.
- Agree with a deliberately shit plan no questions asked. An experienced player should know better.
- Start the slam500 bandwagon and back off immediately when questioned by TAA. The case is pretty weak in the first place. A new player being afraid to provide an opinion?
- Accuse other experienced players of lurking and not contributing anything himself. Nearly half his posts since the game has started have been "other people aren't talking enough". His own posts, besides the one exception of the slam bandwagon, have been regurgitating what others have said already.
- Sidetrack things concerning Kurumi's out of thread activities
- Advocate lynching Forumite to "confirm" Nisani. Nisani has only shown that Forumite is not a power role, it doesn't tell him if he's Mafia or not. It would confirm NOTHING lynching Forumite except Forumite's alignment. If you don't think he's Mafia then it's a complete waste.
- This. Oh dear god, don't use an ability to help town win! That would be awful!
- The case against greymist
On August 17 2011 10:01 Varpulis wrote: I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
On August 17 2011 11:08 Varpulis wrote: does not compute. Blatant contradiction between his actions and his vote. His rapid switch to dropbear confuses me greatly.
##vote greymist
You liked the case on me before, why not anymore now that he does it?
This isn't the townie Varpulis I know. Townie Varpuli has common sense and gets involved. He's got to go. Greymist would be my second choice at the moment.
On August 17 2011 15:06 GreYMisT wrote: It seems as though there are some misconceptions about my "scumslip"
On August 17 2011 11:05 Navillus wrote: Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
Navillus pretty much summed it up for me, though I would like to add more. At the time of nishani's scumslip, I was responding to what i believed to be an attack on me from TAA. I was not defending nishani rather defending myself from the following post:
On August 16 2011 04:15 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:13 GreYMisT wrote: So Mafia couldn't kill last night, but other actions could be taken right?
and lol at the HuK picture.
* disappointed stare of disappointment*
I provided my reasoning that mafia had no kp's on day0 due to both the blue post I quoted later on and the fact that it was called day0, which was an erroneous assumption to make.
I hope that clears the waters a bit for you guys. I stand firm in my vote for Dropbear as he went afk after presenting a plan that required us to all roleclaim to him privately.
Lol you do realise that you agreed with every word? Almost directly afterward?
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
The plan was an absolute pile of horseshit. How do we even know these roles are in the game? It was an idiocy I concocted to get reactions. Reactions like yours
I basically said, people with powerful roles should open claim and people should limit their out of thread communication. Agreeing with it word for word is either newbie or Mafia. You did this, as did slam500 and Varpulis.
The bandwagoning from you has been pretty fast. Onto Nisani despite defending him, then onto me because I "advocated claiming to me"and because JeeJee and Nisani brought me up first. Everyone else worked out that was a joke pretty fast. It even had a smiley face next to it!
I'm not quite ready to vote for you because our brief PM convo early in the game showed a lot of sense and this is your first TL game but you need to step it up dude. The "scum slip" that everyone is banging on about doesn't interest me at all and is inconsequential. What DOES worry me is that you agreed with the plan with no reservations and your quick bandwagoning. You've been the third or fourth person on a train each time so far which is the scummiest time to get on board.
My post about everyone claiming to me was a joke in a post that was a joke. What other reasons do you have to kill me?
Most of my reason that I had stated was because of you seemingly lurking after posting your plan, and to me you seemed like a pretty good scum call, especially after nashi's roleclaim made him not a very good lynch for day1. I called you out to see if you would respond to everyone accusing you of lurking. That being said i dont like proposing a fake plan, i think it creates a negative atmosphere that the town doesn't need in a game where we are the uninformed minority. That is why i have voted for you. I think we need to take a closer look at forumite, he was looking pretty bad early on but the bandwagon against me formed so fast that little more was thought about it.
and i do believe we have like 6 minutes remaining in the vote. Hopefully a few people can read this before then.
On August 17 2011 15:06 GreYMisT wrote: It seems as though there are some misconceptions about my "scumslip"
On August 17 2011 11:05 Navillus wrote: Oh look who's back, did you realize that greymist actually said that there was reason to think what nasini did but greymist didnt think that nasini went through that thought process. What are your opinions on other people Sevryn?
Navillus pretty much summed it up for me, though I would like to add more. At the time of nishani's scumslip, I was responding to what i believed to be an attack on me from TAA. I was not defending nishani rather defending myself from the following post:
On August 16 2011 04:15 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On August 16 2011 04:13 GreYMisT wrote: So Mafia couldn't kill last night, but other actions could be taken right?
and lol at the HuK picture.
* disappointed stare of disappointment*
I provided my reasoning that mafia had no kp's on day0 due to both the blue post I quoted later on and the fact that it was called day0, which was an erroneous assumption to make.
I hope that clears the waters a bit for you guys. I stand firm in my vote for Dropbear as he went afk after presenting a plan that required us to all roleclaim to him privately.
Lol you do realise that you agreed with every word? Almost directly afterward?
On August 15 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote: I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.
I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
The plan was an absolute pile of horseshit. How do we even know these roles are in the game? It was an idiocy I concocted to get reactions. Reactions like yours
I basically said, people with powerful roles should open claim and people should limit their out of thread communication. Agreeing with it word for word is either newbie or Mafia. You did this, as did slam500 and Varpulis.
The bandwagoning from you has been pretty fast. Onto Nisani despite defending him, then onto me because I "advocated claiming to me"and because JeeJee and Nisani brought me up first. Everyone else worked out that was a joke pretty fast. It even had a smiley face next to it!
I'm not quite ready to vote for you because our brief PM convo early in the game showed a lot of sense and this is your first TL game but you need to step it up dude. The "scum slip" that everyone is banging on about doesn't interest me at all and is inconsequential. What DOES worry me is that you agreed with the plan with no reservations and your quick bandwagoning. You've been the third or fourth person on a train each time so far which is the scummiest time to get on board.
My post about everyone claiming to me was a joke in a post that was a joke. What other reasons do you have to kill me?
Most of my reason that I had stated was because of you seemingly lurking after posting your plan, and to me you seemed like a pretty good scum call, especially after nashi's roleclaim made him not a very good lynch for day1. I called you out to see if you would respond to everyone accusing you of lurking. That being said i dont like proposing a fake plan, i think it creates a negative atmosphere that the town doesn't need in a game where we are the uninformed minority. That is why i have voted for you. I think we need to take a closer look at forumite, he was looking pretty bad early on but the bandwagon against me formed so fast that little more was thought about it.
and i do believe we have like 6 minutes remaining in the vote. Hopefully a few people can read this before then.
You didn't know it was a fake plan until just now. How can you have voted for me for making a fake plan when you didn't know it was a fake plan?
Varpulis is playing different then his usual town, also he has been pushing for the really really easy lynches. Also he has been very wishy washy. ##vote varpulis
It was a relatively easy choice. Someone stuck out too hard for the forum, and everyone decided to report him. Then he started cursing everyone out and being a 10 year old blowhard, then he tried to rip DropBear's head off. GreYMisT was just one of those Badmannered Bastard Wolves that needed to be put down as fast as possible.
GreYMisT the Wolf from the Badmannered Bastard scumteam was lynched.
Night 1: A few growls of discontent were heard, and it appeared that the Forum had paid a heavy price for its banning of GreYMisT. Somebody managed to rootkit JeeJee's PC where he did his Moderator work, and R1CH was unable to restore a thing to it. Some other hackers managed to DDOS DropBear's stream as well, leaving him without any means to showcase his Mafia prowess. Finally, some random shot blew Navillus' head off, uh, no, I won't make it as graphic as that. Let's just say they cut off his cable instead.
DropBear the Protector and JeeJee the Detective were hunted Navillus the Apprentice was shot by someone.
On August 14 2011 21:25 Sknowman wrote: Since the traits are listed in black, are they 3rd party?
No, traits may be distributed to both sides.
On August 14 2011 21:01 DropBear wrote: What is the Werewolf KP formula?
KPs have been PMed to any/all scum groups, total KP is not public knowledge.
multiple scumteams possibly?
Does anybody want to claim the kill on Navillus and explain why the fuck they killed him?
I think we're screwed, if both teams are scum. This means that things could look even more tortuous than usual. I also believe that slam500 Nisani201 and must be respected. T_T
Original Message From Nisani201: I've taken my vote off of you. I'm checking you tonight. If I die tonight., then you're in bad shape.
Original Message From DropBear: I don't really understand where your scum claim has come from. We hadn't spoken up until now and I'm the only person who has actually discussed a plan in thread, for good or for bad.
I've opened the lines of communication and claimed to you. If you want to talk to me then I'll listen. If you want to be a dick then I'll protect someone else. Up to you.
Original Message From Nisani201: Even if you are a medic, I don't need you. There's probably more than one.
Original Message From DropBear: Rofl. I guess I'll go protect someone else then.
Original Message From Nisani201: Yes the claim is legit. I'm a Banling.
I don't want to work with scum.
Original Message From DropBear: Is it legit?
Look me in the eyes and tell me you are telling the truth.
You are voting for me despite the fact that we have had zero interaction. Why?
If you want me to work with you then you gotta be transparent.
During that time, I stated in the thread that DropBear would be checked instead of JeeJee. I then sent a PM to Curu with this message:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
I received no reply to the message, and DropBear was killed tonight. So this means that Curu told his scum buddies that DropBear was healing me, and then he died.
,,,and then there's Jackal. Not sure where he came from, but I did get this PM from DropBear (subject was "If i die"):
Original Message From DropBear: Jackal is scum. Assuming you aren't as well
As for the Jackal thing, I'm guessing DropBear sent a message to Jackal similar to the one that was sent to Curu. But I don't have any more information.
Also there is the third option of Nisani being scum using his claim to draw out a medic and then killing him after telling someone else to put suspicion on them. IMO we kill curu and jackal if we find scum then Nisani is pretty much confirmed. otherwise Nisani is scum.
Original Message From Nisani201: I've taken my vote off of you. I'm checking you tonight. If I die tonight., then you're in bad shape.
Original Message From DropBear: I don't really understand where your scum claim has come from. We hadn't spoken up until now and I'm the only person who has actually discussed a plan in thread, for good or for bad.
I've opened the lines of communication and claimed to you. If you want to talk to me then I'll listen. If you want to be a dick then I'll protect someone else. Up to you.
Original Message From Nisani201: Even if you are a medic, I don't need you. There's probably more than one.
Original Message From DropBear: Rofl. I guess I'll go protect someone else then.
Original Message From Nisani201: Yes the claim is legit. I'm a Banling.
I don't want to work with scum.
Original Message From DropBear: Is it legit?
Look me in the eyes and tell me you are telling the truth.
You are voting for me despite the fact that we have had zero interaction. Why?
If you want me to work with you then you gotta be transparent.
During that time, I stated in the thread that DropBear would be checked instead of JeeJee. I then sent a PM to Curu with this message:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
I received no reply to the message, and DropBear was killed tonight. So this means that Curu told his scum buddies that DropBear was healing me, and then he died.
,,,and then there's Jackal. Not sure where he came from, but I did get this PM from DropBear (subject was "If i die"):
On August 18 2011 02:53 Nisani201 wrote: Curu or Jackal is scum.
Wait, what? Where did Curu come from?
Well, I'll tell you where. Let's go back to PM land.
Original Message From DropBear: I understand.
Original Message From Nisani201: I've taken my vote off of you. I'm checking you tonight. If I die tonight., then you're in bad shape.
Original Message From DropBear: I don't really understand where your scum claim has come from. We hadn't spoken up until now and I'm the only person who has actually discussed a plan in thread, for good or for bad.
I've opened the lines of communication and claimed to you. If you want to talk to me then I'll listen. If you want to be a dick then I'll protect someone else. Up to you.
Original Message From Nisani201: Even if you are a medic, I don't need you. There's probably more than one.
Original Message From DropBear: Rofl. I guess I'll go protect someone else then.
Original Message From Nisani201: Yes the claim is legit. I'm a Banling.
I don't want to work with scum.
Original Message From DropBear: Is it legit?
Look me in the eyes and tell me you are telling the truth.
You are voting for me despite the fact that we have had zero interaction. Why?
If you want me to work with you then you gotta be transparent.
During that time, I stated in the thread that DropBear would be checked instead of JeeJee. I then sent a PM to Curu with this message:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
I received no reply to the message, and DropBear was killed tonight. So this means that Curu told his scum buddies that DropBear was healing me, and then he died.
,,,and then there's Jackal. Not sure where he came from, but I did get this PM from DropBear (subject was "If i die"):
Original Message From DropBear: Jackal is scum. Assuming you aren't as well
I find it curious that JeeJee died and You were up to check him.
On August 18 2011 03:11 Jackal58 wrote: Chaos/Curu has not posted enough for me to call either way. Drop Bear never claimed to me in PM land. We did discuss the efficacy of a double lynch.
Then why would DropBear tell me that you are scum if he dies?
The fact that you're lying about any kind of PM contact makes me want to kill you.
oh You sly raccoon, saying You will check X and You check Y? Claims aside, DropBear was reasonable hit. Think about it: Active in both thread and PM land. Greymist tried to lynch him. He was quite town in everyone's book, wasn't he?
I am not scum. I'm not dumb enough to trap myself like that and I can assure you I told no one else about that PM. I didn't respond to you cause well it's obvious what your intention was. Here's the PM DropBear sent to me during the night:
lol, sure thing.
Jackal did the same kind of useless joking around thing that he did in PTP as scum. In PTP I made a big post asking what people think, and he replied with "You're scum." In this game he's got:
On August 15 2011 05:56 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote +
You're the Godfather?
He's got some really bad posts:
On August 15 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote: And just for the record a DT check on Varp wouldn't be a bad idea either. Wouldn't be the first time scum fabricated text. I'm not FoSing you Varp I simply don't trust anybody.
"DT should check Varp cause I'm suspicious of him but I'm not actually suspicious of him that much lolz."
He is accusing people a lot, which I haven't seen him do as scum before. None of them are real, however since he doesn't throw his vote behind then.
All in all I'm leaning slightly towards Town on him, but I'd need him to post more to get a better picture.
Original Message From DropBear: You have joined. I got bored, noone is talking in thread or in IRC, at least not when I'm there. Taaaaalk to meeeeeeee!
chaos was one of the handful of people I tried to talk to via PM and he basically told me to get fucked when I spoke to him. Hopefully you will be more forthcoming because I would like to keep you in my communication circle cos you aren't a muppet.
First question, just a starter What do you think of Jackal?
I'm guessing DropBear claimed to Jackal as well, based on his suspicions and PMing me about him and no one else.
Other than that, DropBear started pushing for Varpulis and Slam which is the only other reason I can see that set him apart from any other target.
In case you've all forgotten, I was the one to really set off the GreyMist wagon. Unless you think I'm up to bussing my teammates day 1 and am a complete retard (do you really think if I was scum and chose to hit DropBear, I wouldn't make sure Nisani died first since he knows I know he's a Doc?), it's obvious I am not responsible for DropBear's death.
Vig if you hit DropBear then you need to claim this shit right now before you're responsible for a Townie mislynch.
From: DropBear [ 1464 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: I too Date: 8/16/11 00:06 I understand. I however have a really good feeling about you.
That "plan" I posted in the thread was utter horseshit, I didn't believe a word of it. I just wanted to see some reactions. I would prefer that this doesn't leak to Varpuli because I too am interested in him. Everyone who was like "yeah that's a great idea I agree with every word" is on my FoS list.
As to Kurumi's plan, at this point other than basically me and you, everyone is lurking. The problem with deciding on a second person is that more and more people will disagree. Most lynches are divided, having a second division will in turn make things harder. Arguing about one lynch is enough, having a second could shit things up pretty bad.
Mind you I have not played in a game with multiple lynch before and I am unsure how to approach it.
I would be in favour of it later in the game, not now on Day 1. The chances of hitting a second townie are too high, especially with the low activity so far.
By Day 3, it is very easy to see who the lurkers are. Just hit filter. This isn't a big enough game for people to just hide so if people do try and blend for a long period they will get put up as a second lynch. We announce it in the thread and put them on the spot. The added pressure of being up for both scum lynch and lurker lynch will make someone crack. We get in their face and push. Hard. Until we get results, one way or the other.
Original Message From Jackal58: Alright. Varp has just PMed me as well. Problem here is I think one of either you, Varp or Nav are scum. This early in the game I'm usually wrong but my trust level isn't through the roof if you follow me. I'm sending the same PM to Varp. How would we implement this? How do we decide #1 who is lurking enough to be worthy of a lynch and #2 how do we divide people into voting for a) our scum candidate and b) our lurker.
Hide nested quote - Original Message From DropBear: was speaking to Kurumi about this plan. I have reservations. One person deciding to fuck things up could fuck things up.
I pmd chaos and he replied but refused to talk to me. Everyone else I have spoken to is more forthcoming
Can you people please use PM quotes properly? Just hit the "reply" button in a PM conversation and copy-paste the reply box in here. It's MUCH easier to understand.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
Either way it stands that I was obviously aware that you knew that I knew DropBear was the Doc. If I was scum the worst possible thing I could do was hit DropBear.
I'm unwilling to believe that scum has 3 KP in a game this small so if there is a Vig out there claim your shit now, in PMs to someone you trust if you don't want your identity outed in the thread. Even if you shot a Townie we're not going to crucify you for it, claim before you get another Townie mislynched.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
Unfortunately, to interrupt, but as I was writing excellent dropbear without even knowing it was a document. It was not a snipe or blue set-up, active person was killed, and one of these scum tried to lynch anyone to drive.
[09:15] <DropBear> keep this to yourself [09:15] <OriginalName> what [09:15] <DropBear> i said before that nisani is scum if i die [09:15] <DropBear> the other one [09:15] <DropBear> is jackal [09:15] <DropBear> if i die tonight [09:15] <OriginalName> Jackal is on the radar [09:15] <DropBear> not as solid as nisani [09:15] <OriginalName> if he doesnt start improving [09:16] <DropBear> but have a look at him hard if i die [09:16] <OriginalName> yeah [09:16] <DropBear> im not going to give you my pms [09:16] <DropBear> but [09:16] <DropBear> if i die he needs pressure
On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote?
I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia.
Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from.
On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote?
I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia.
Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from.
No, as long as you are posting something that isn't totally useless you help the Town by letting us know where your opinions lie and your stance on things.
Looking back into the thread I don't know why we forgot the whole old batch of suspects in the thread, because to me Forumite, (I might have spelled that wrong if so sorry otherwise please ignore this statement) but from what I've seen he was hesitant to lynch Greymist and he was gunning for JeeJee the late detective to me this seems fairly scummy and I don't like the fact that he has slipped off the lynching table.
On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite
I almost forgot to mention this too, the late Navillus was also gunning for him some.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways.
Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus.
On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite
I almost forgot to mention this too, the late Navillus was also gunning for him some.
It looks almost too perfect, doesn´t it? Of course I´m going to get into the spotlight if I got voted on the day before, then right after two who accused me of being scummy got killed. Anyway it doesn´t quite add up, if the daypost can be trusted, then JeeJee was hit by Scum, Navillus was hit by a Vigi.
I´ll think I´ll try a general postcount before we get to p51, there are several lurkers in the game, and I trust my numbers and analysis more than my scumsense.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways.
DropBear returned Townie.
On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways.
On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus.
There are no vigilantes.
Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum.
I´m calling out lurkers. If they are actually active and talking in PMs or Irc, say so, so I can take them off the list. Only checking posts in the thread and Irc. I might have missed someone. Ignored Chaos13/Curu and Kurumi purposefully, and didn´t include extremely short posts, like /in and /confirm.
On August 15 2011 13:07 snotboogie wrote: I also am against claiming, especially this early in the game. Just doesn't make sense, it gives Mafia too much info.
On August 17 2011 14:46 snotboogie wrote: #vote slam500 as I believe his is the worst scum tell so far. Forumite looks dodgy too but I'm fine with letting him live today.
On August 15 2011 07:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other.
This very much makes and overall rivals shouldn't be important for all of the non-rivals (keep an eye out for any claims that seem like it just comes from another rival) but other than that we should really ignore the matter.
As for role-claiming I'm against it for now as all it does at this point is help the mafia pick targets. If anyone disagrees I'd be glad to hear why.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok so from what I've seen I'm going to vote for Nisani off of what is a pretty bug scumslip. Which means that if Nisani is scum Greymist is definitely scum too. But first we need to lynch Nisani.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ack I meant scum not bug sorry iPods are really bad with auto correct.
On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote?
I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia.
Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from.
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits?
Sure. Go ahead.
If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
Errrr, ok?!
Also
Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)?
On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
On August 17 2011 19:01 Da-Muffinman wrote: Sorry Guys that I was absent the last ~ 30 Hours, written an Exam, getting drunk after it, dealing with the hangover, that kinda stuff.
I'm trying to catch up as fast as I can
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On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim.
Is it just me or does the grammar in this post not make any sense?
Anyway, I do think it is a little early for an FoS, especially on a new player like Slam, but it is a good way for him to learn. We should treat everyone the same (except Kenpachi, but I don't think he's in this game) so we shouldn't baby Slam. Discussion of the FoS should continue as usual just like any other.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro.
Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me.
What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways.
DropBear returned Townie.
On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus.
There are no vigilantes.
Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum.
There are no roleblocking roles listed in the OP. And I was protected by DropBear. Get your facts straight.
On August 18 2011 08:32 Forumite wrote: I´m calling out lurkers. If they are actually active and talking in PMs or Irc, say so, so I can take them off the list. Only checking posts in the thread and Irc. I might have missed someone. Ignored Chaos13/Curu and Kurumi purposefully, and didn´t include extremely short posts, like /in and /confirm.
On August 15 2011 13:07 snotboogie wrote: I also am against claiming, especially this early in the game. Just doesn't make sense, it gives Mafia too much info.
On August 17 2011 14:46 snotboogie wrote: #vote slam500 as I believe his is the worst scum tell so far. Forumite looks dodgy too but I'm fine with letting him live today.
On August 15 2011 07:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other.
This very much makes and overall rivals shouldn't be important for all of the non-rivals (keep an eye out for any claims that seem like it just comes from another rival) but other than that we should really ignore the matter.
As for role-claiming I'm against it for now as all it does at this point is help the mafia pick targets. If anyone disagrees I'd be glad to hear why.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok so from what I've seen I'm going to vote for Nisani off of what is a pretty bug scumslip. Which means that if Nisani is scum Greymist is definitely scum too. But first we need to lynch Nisani.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ack I meant scum not bug sorry iPods are really bad with auto correct.
On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote?
I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia.
Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from.
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits?
Sure. Go ahead.
If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
Errrr, ok?!
Also
Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)?
On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
On August 17 2011 19:01 Da-Muffinman wrote: Sorry Guys that I was absent the last ~ 30 Hours, written an Exam, getting drunk after it, dealing with the hangover, that kinda stuff.
I'm trying to catch up as fast as I can
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On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim.
Is it just me or does the grammar in this post not make any sense?
Anyway, I do think it is a little early for an FoS, especially on a new player like Slam, but it is a good way for him to learn. We should treat everyone the same (except Kenpachi, but I don't think he's in this game) so we shouldn't baby Slam. Discussion of the FoS should continue as usual just like any other.
On August 18 2011 08:29 Jackal58 wrote: Sevryn is scum too. He was fishing for what kind of answer I wanted from Nisani.
To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: your question of nisan Date: 8/18/11 07:45 We'll see how he answers.
Original Message From Sevryn: if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum.
That or I didn't know your reasons behind asking that realized it was a good idea and if he claimed the role he got back was the specific blue role he's a lying scum because the dt role only gets scum aprentice and townie
On August 18 2011 08:32 Forumite wrote: I´m calling out lurkers. If they are actually active and talking in PMs or Irc, say so, so I can take them off the list. Only checking posts in the thread and Irc. I might have missed someone. Ignored Chaos13/Curu and Kurumi purposefully, and didn´t include extremely short posts, like /in and /confirm.
On August 15 2011 13:07 snotboogie wrote: I also am against claiming, especially this early in the game. Just doesn't make sense, it gives Mafia too much info.
On August 17 2011 14:46 snotboogie wrote: #vote slam500 as I believe his is the worst scum tell so far. Forumite looks dodgy too but I'm fine with letting him live today.
On August 15 2011 07:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: all the talk about rival claiming is rubbish btw, its not in the interest of rivals to claim, so its not going to happen. for example: Riv1: im rival with riv2 riv2 : no he isnt. riv1 dies a horrible dead and riv 2 wins. Also if the become confirmed town there is no way they can lynch the other, wether its best for the town or not, there is no way in hell rivals are going to claim. Any 2 rivals that do claim are probably scum covering each other.
This very much makes and overall rivals shouldn't be important for all of the non-rivals (keep an eye out for any claims that seem like it just comes from another rival) but other than that we should really ignore the matter.
As for role-claiming I'm against it for now as all it does at this point is help the mafia pick targets. If anyone disagrees I'd be glad to hear why.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok so from what I've seen I'm going to vote for Nisani off of what is a pretty bug scumslip. Which means that if Nisani is scum Greymist is definitely scum too. But first we need to lynch Nisani.
On August 17 2011 04:21 DroneAllDay wrote: Ack I meant scum not bug sorry iPods are really bad with auto correct.
On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep.
droneallday, why the stealth vote?
I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia.
Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from.
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote: so do we pick our own traits?
Sure. Go ahead.
If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
Errrr, ok?!
Also
Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)?
On August 16 2011 00:06 Da-Muffinman wrote: So Kurumi is temp banned, how will this affect our Mafia Game?
Also, good morning.
On August 17 2011 19:01 Da-Muffinman wrote: Sorry Guys that I was absent the last ~ 30 Hours, written an Exam, getting drunk after it, dealing with the hangover, that kinda stuff.
I'm trying to catch up as fast as I can
Sinani206 1 postthread, although a lot of early Irc-posting + Show Spoiler +
On August 15 2011 08:22 TheAwesomeAll wrote: so you think we should hold off discussion on Varp's FoS on Slam until Slam gets a chance to defend himself?
Well I would not say discussion hold think on FoS defense against Varp until should think roleclaim.
Is it just me or does the grammar in this post not make any sense?
Anyway, I do think it is a little early for an FoS, especially on a new player like Slam, but it is a good way for him to learn. We should treat everyone the same (except Kenpachi, but I don't think he's in this game) so we shouldn't baby Slam. Discussion of the FoS should continue as usual just like any other.
I've written a PM to Ciryandor that I wanna be replaced, too much IRL stuff to do & coming up to follow this actively(exams were ofc planned, but more stuff inc. IRL so that I cant participate actively)
So until a replacement is found, I will try to catch up, but I simply have not the time to go IRC or to put deep thoughts into this.
Rabid Werewolves (Scum): They are people attracted to TeamLiquid for the massive pool of pool of less-than-fit people they can easily turn into chew toys. More information will be given to the scum but will not be public knowledge.
Okay, with Muffin and Sinani not having the time and about to be replaced, Snotboogie and DroneAllDay are the hardest lurkers in the game.
Just pointing out, these are not the only ones, just the ones with very few relevant posts, there are several at around 10 posts, and some with few threadposts but much more in the irc.
On August 18 2011 09:23 Curu wrote: So which one do you think is more scummy Forumite?
Of Snotboogie and DroneAllDay? I don´t think either is scum, not that I have any posts to base that one, but if they are not picking up the posting, then it doesn´t matter what they are, because not posting hurts Town just as much.
Hmm yeah you're right. I'll try to step up the posting, just been busy with uni and other engagements. Unfortunately, I don't find anyone in particular scummy, only mild suspicion on slam500 and forumite.
EBWOP I really shouldn't post right as I wake up. That "I don't find anyone in particular scummy" part was before I actually read the last few pages. I'll stew it over and give my thoughts on the situation soon.
Dropbear went out of his way to inform Nisani that Jackal is scum if he died. Seeing as how Dropbear claimed to Nisani, it wouldn't surprise me if he claimed to Jackal as well since that's his MO. In fact I have a hard time thinking of any other way he could be so sure that Jackal is scum, and that makes me disbelieve Jackal's claim that DropBear had didn't claim to him.
Furthermore, even if DB never claimed to Jackal, I'm still positive DropBear and Jackal had SOME kind of PM interaction, and the fact that Jackal is hiding it makes me think he's scum.
On August 18 2011 10:04 snotboogie wrote: Dropbear went out of his way to inform Nisani that Jackal is scum if he died. Seeing as how Dropbear claimed to Nisani, it wouldn't surprise me if he claimed to Jackal as well since that's his MO. In fact I have a hard time thinking of any other way he could be so sure that Jackal is scum, and that makes me disbelieve Jackal's claim that DropBear had didn't claim to him.
Furthermore, even if DB never claimed to Jackal, I'm still positive DropBear and Jackal had SOME kind of PM interaction, and the fact that Jackal is hiding it makes me think he's scum.
##Vote Jackal58
I posted my PMs with DropBear. I haven't hid anything.
On August 18 2011 10:04 snotboogie wrote: Dropbear went out of his way to inform Nisani that Jackal is scum if he died. Seeing as how Dropbear claimed to Nisani, it wouldn't surprise me if he claimed to Jackal as well since that's his MO. In fact I have a hard time thinking of any other way he could be so sure that Jackal is scum, and that makes me disbelieve Jackal's claim that DropBear had didn't claim to him.
Furthermore, even if DB never claimed to Jackal, I'm still positive DropBear and Jackal had SOME kind of PM interaction, and the fact that Jackal is hiding it makes me think he's scum.
##Vote Jackal58
I posted my PMs with DropBear. I haven't hid anything.
Sorry. I meant some kind of interaction that specifically exposes you. I believe you are hiding something.
On August 16 2011 21:44 Sknowman wrote: Forumite gave me a scummy vibe from the beginning. His posts are empty, and it seems like he's just a distraction to town. Everything he says is irrelevant, even his defense of him being lynched. Overall, he seems scummier.
Voting Forumite. For the reasons above, plus his recent defense was not satisfactory for me.
On August 18 2011 23:14 Ciryandor wrote: I'll probably get drunk after the BW Proleague Finals regardless of who wins, so I'll let GMarshal handle the orders and whatnot tomorrow night.
That's like 20 hours from now, right? Its like 3am my time, but I'm on it.
Send all actions to me if you expect them to go through please ^_^
On August 16 2011 21:44 Sknowman wrote: Forumite gave me a scummy vibe from the beginning. His posts are empty, and it seems like he's just a distraction to town. Everything he says is irrelevant, even his defense of him being lynched. Overall, he seems scummier.
Voting Forumite. For the reasons above, plus his recent defense was not satisfactory for me.
the problem with this though, is if we are to believe Nisani's claim, Is that he was checked town. I guess you dont think Nisani is telling the truth right?
On August 16 2011 21:44 Sknowman wrote: Forumite gave me a scummy vibe from the beginning. His posts are empty, and it seems like he's just a distraction to town. Everything he says is irrelevant, even his defense of him being lynched. Overall, he seems scummier.
Voting Forumite. For the reasons above, plus his recent defense was not satisfactory for me.
the problem with this though, is if we are to believe Nisani's claim, Is that he was checked town. I guess you dont think Nisani is telling the truth right?
What do you guys think of Dropbear I feel like his plan and the whole rival thing still hasn't been addressed, The whole part about rivals claims seems like a great way for scum to have people to frame. kill someones rival they look like scum so they get lynched aka almost getting a free KP and wasting a lynch.
Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:
- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.
- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.
- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.
- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.
Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D
VOTING
Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.
CELLS
Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.
First he doesnt read who dies, lurks like mad, Then sends me this PM N0 before i have even posted.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
He claims to me then Contradicts with this post
What do you guys think of Dropbear I feel like his plan and the whole rival thing still hasn't been addressed, The whole part about rivals claims seems like a great way for scum to have people to frame. kill someones rival they look like scum so they get lynched aka almost getting a free KP and wasting a lynch.
I just dont know what to think of this anymore. We need to pressure him, we need him to be here and contribute.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
He claims to me then Contradicts with this post
What do you guys think of Dropbear I feel like his plan and the whole rival thing still hasn't been addressed, The whole part about rivals claims seems like a great way for scum to have people to frame. kill someones rival they look like scum so they get lynched aka almost getting a free KP and wasting a lynch.
I just dont know what to think of this anymore. We need to pressure him, we need him to be here and contribute.
##Vote Trotske
I sent you that PM because I was afraid Hiro could be scum and kil lme night one so I wanted to make sure that someone knew.
I didn't the whole reason I chose you was because you had said you were afk for a day in IRC aka not going to take an action n0. I had told sevryn without thinking and was trying to recover from this mistake aka making sure that someone else knew.
On August 19 2011 06:01 Trotske wrote: I didn't the whole reason I chose you was because you had said you were afk for a day in IRC aka not going to take an action n0. I had told sevryn without thinking and was trying to recover from this mistake aka making sure that someone else knew.
wtf? if i had time to go in irc and say that i had time to action.
16:13 -!- OriginalName [webchat@S01060026f3985757.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:13 < Sknowman> 16:13 < OriginalName> 16:13 < OriginalName> you cant kill me 16:13 < OriginalName> No sknow 16:13 < OriginalName> Good shit 16:13 < taa__> but sure 16:12 < taa__> already tried to vote 16:12 < Sknowman> can we kill you? 16:12 < taa__> its night 16:12 < OriginalName> ok? 16:12 < OriginalName> till I get back 16:12 < OriginalName> dont fucking kill each other guys 16:12 < OriginalName> im gonna be inactive till later tonight/early tommorrow 16:12 < taa__> kratos who bist du? 16:12 < OriginalName> Ok 16:11 < Sknowman> *lost* 16:11 < Kratos_2_0> the host and the cohost both confirmed it -___ 16:11 < taa__> lol 16:11 < taa__> and it turned out to be a lie 16:11 < taa__> then the co host confirmed that 16:11 < taa__> or it was drazerk who said that 16:10 < taa__> he migh have been 16:10 < taa__> conspirator : nukes dont cause radiation 16:10 < Varpulis> wasn't palmar conspirator? 16:10 < taa__> this is what happened 16:10 < taa__> he didnt get lynched 16:10 < taa__> it took a caller move 16:10 < Varpulis> he even claimed and got lynched, right? 16:10 < taa__> well 16:10 < Varpulis> called it from the start lol 16:10 < Varpulis> free win for conspirator 16:10 < Nisani201> Poor poor bennet 16:09 < Sknowman> crazy from the start 16:09 < Sknowman> looked 16:09 < Sknowman> i didnt keep up with that 16:09 < taa__> poor poor navilus lol 16:09 -!- OriginalName [webchat@S01060026f3985757.
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On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
Something concrete besides the speculation. I do indeed think Jackal is hiding something since the PMs he showed were not enough at all to tell someone Jackal is scum upon his death.
This would be completely confirmed if DropBear told someone else too other than Nisani though.
Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
Are you a rival?
This is a golden post.
Trotske, check your role PM, does it say Hiro is your Rival?
On August 19 2011 08:04 Forumite wrote: Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
On August 19 2011 07:41 Curu wrote: Something concrete besides the speculation. I do indeed think Jackal is hiding something since the PMs he showed were not enough at all to tell someone Jackal is scum upon his death.
This would be completely confirmed if DropBear told someone else too other than Nisani though.
No idea. I have another set of PMs from him I missed. They were on page 2 of my inbox. + Show Spoiler +
To: DropBear [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: CONGRATULATIONS Date: 8/15/11 05:34 His point on voting is misplaced. May be a scum agenda. "If you don't bandwagon you're scum"
Original Message From DropBear: Lol I'll keep that in mind. I feel much more confident in reading him than most of the other players in this game, I got a roleblock on him Day 2 in PTP2 which got him lynched.
I do not feel the same about many of the others, about half are unfamiliar to me.
What do you think about Varpuli's opening?
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Jackal58: Yes. We play Mafia at UG. A guitar forum. We have known each other for quite some time. If he does not call me scum at some point during day 1 he is scum. He always calls me scum day 1 unless he is.
Original Message From DropBear: That post about gmarshal was wierd. He isn't exactly following his own advice either. You two are friends from outside the forum yes?
Original Message From Jackal58: Chaos13 has his scum meta cranked up early.
Original Message From DropBear: Lolk. I am quite open so feel free to ask me questions and you will generally get an answer.
Original Message From Jackal58: Cool. No I have no rival. It's bad enough I have to tunnel Kurumi in personality mafia and I was stuck as a scummy Harry Potter in PTP2 and had to get Voldemort killed. Nope no rivals in this game. No posting restrictions. No mandated actions. Just me as me.
The mechanics in this game are a bit different so I'll be observing more at the beginning than I usually do and I'm damn near invisible on day 1 to begin with any ways. But feel free to PM all you want. I always have opinions I'm just not always willing to share them with everybody. Oh and if you're scum go die.
Original Message From DropBear: You have won the prize of my first ever pm in a pm game. I have two questions.
Were you serious about not having a rival or is ON actually your rival?
Would you think it is pro-town for rivals to claim?
Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote: Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
-_-
thats right, Trotske knows who his rival is, and its me. BUT I AM NOT HIS RIVAL BACK.
I agree that the wording in the OP is weird, which is why I PMed GMan about it. So I will ask in the thread so we can all see, and stop talking about it.
Can you be a rival with someone, and they wont be your rival back?
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?
Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods.
On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote: Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game).
On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote: Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game).
Of corse he didn't PM somebody and call them scum. See how long the conversation lasts.
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?
Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods.
Rivals are not necessarily reciprocal, for example, Qatol could be my rival, but I might not be Qatol's rival
On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote: Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite.
What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa.
I'm saying the pms you showed does not make me think dropbear gave you information to make him think that if he died you were scummy, but obviously he did, otherwise he would not have said as such, which means you are hiding something, which means you are acting scummy. but to be honest I'm not giving any of Nisani's check worth too for those same reasons all in all my opinion at least one of the three of you are scum, if not multiple of them (that and there are 2 DT types and each only detects a certain kind of scum. so I don't find the detectors too useful in this game).
Of corse he didn't PM somebody and call them scum. See how long the conversation lasts.
What I said was that there was a pm with information that would make dropbear think that if he died, you were probably scum, not that you had a scum slip or something, and we don't see that information in any of your pms with him, and seeing how dropbear is/was rational, that leads me to believe that there are more pms to read.
with that said, I'm more confidant that Forumite is mafia so i'm voting for him due to the fact that the others i belive to be scum voted for greymist, that those who voted for him are dead (even if 1 of those was done by a vigilante hit, the other is still a scum hit) and his hight post count but a fair amount of them are just hello, good night, and other such no-content posts that feigns lurking.
I'm also going to vote Forumite due to the fact that alot of his posts are just pure info with little analasis. and some of his reason's are very poor for who he goes after. and he's the scummiest person we have a chance to lynch.
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
This is to easy. GMarshall, can rivals work the way Hiro described?
Dude seriously. Mods love to step on the heads of people that lie about talking to the mods.
Rivals are not necessarily reciprocal, for example, Qatol could be my rival, but I might not be Qatol's rival
Also, about 14 hours left in the day.
That clears it up. Trotske wants to kill Hiro, and none of them are lying.
On August 19 2011 10:12 DroneAllDay wrote: with that said, I'm more confidant that Forumite is mafia so i'm voting for him due to the fact that the others i belive to be scum voted for greymist, that those who voted for him are dead (even if 1 of those was done by a vigilante hit, the other is still a scum hit) and his hight post count but a fair amount of them are just hello, good night, and other such no-content posts that feigns lurking.
##vote: Forumite
I do my "hello" posts in here instead of in the Irc. As for other accusations, calling out a the Rivals isn´t a info post, it looked like a clear case where one was lying, until it was revealed that the OP was incorrect. There is one I can fully agree with, that I look confused, it´s because I am.
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig.
On August 19 2011 08:17 hiro protagonist wrote: Forumite, I PMed GMan about how rivals work. He said It is possible to be someones rival, And not be one back. Nether of our story's are contradicting at this point.
Sense this has happened a couple of times I'm gonna say this: Dont post until you have fully read the thread plz!
What are you talking about? The OP says the rivals know who their rival is.
-_-
thats right, Trotske knows who his rival is, and its me. BUT I AM NOT HIS RIVAL BACK.
I agree that the wording in the OP is weird, which is why I PMed GMan about it. So I will ask in the thread so we can all see, and stop talking about it.
Can you be a rival with someone, and they wont be your rival back?
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: ##vote Nisani201
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig.
Complete bullshit, for two reasons.
1) Journalists can find scum. And if you're going with the fact that I am a Journalist/Banling, why are you voting for me? I'm still a resource.
2) Where did you get that 80% statistic from? The role distribution is not public knowledge.
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: ##vote Nisani201
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig.
Complete bullshit, for two reasons.
1) Journalists can find scum. And if you're going with the fact that I am a Journalist/Banling, why are you voting for me? I'm still a resource.
2) Where did you get that 80% statistic from? The role distribution is not public knowledge.
78% of statistics are invented. I'm saying that it's an easy claim for scum to make.
also GMan are we going to modkill anybody or are we still waiting on replacements? Chaos13 and Sinani206 need to be replaced and slam500 didn't vote and still hasn't come back.
sigh, this was not the most productive day cycle...
Im not gonna lie, I dont know what to think about Nisani, but to much time has been spent thinking about him, and not thinking about finding scum. I will probably vote for whoever Curu votes for.
On August 19 2011 06:02 Trotske wrote: and sevryn why didn't you bring it up sooner? seems scummy to me.
No. You don't get to do a scummy move like PM someone that info on N0 and then FoS that person for their reaction to it. You seem overly defensive here, sir.
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: ##vote Nisani201
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig.
Complete bullshit, for two reasons.
1) Journalists can find scum. And if you're going with the fact that I am a Journalist/Banling, why are you voting for me? I'm still a resource.
2) Where did you get that 80% statistic from? The role distribution is not public knowledge.
The role distribution is probabaly just a guestimate, what I think he´s getting at is that your role is a convenient role to pretend to be as scum, you look blue, but you only find millers, other blues and apprentices. All interesting information, but not amazing. So far you´ve checked Dropbear, after he died, and checked me, but even with your result, while correct, it doesn´t confirm me as a Townie, and people are still going after me. So far you haven´t been much help, to me or Town.
Deadline in about 5 hours, and I´m going to miss it, again, so I'm voting now.
Trotske is acting scummy, and is out to kill Hiro, but that´s him being a Rival. Nisani will either give good information, die to Scum or we´ll lynch him in a few days. Forumite is an upstanding poster who doesn´t deserve to get voted out. That only leaves Jackal, whose scumhunting is a tad too scummy for me. I suspect he knew about different scumteams early on from his post about wondering which team he was in. It was a trick, but mentioning "team" could have been an unintentional scumslip.
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: ##vote Nisani201
Nisani's claim is very convenient. I just read the role list again, and he's not a cop, he's a journalist. In a nutshell, journalists don't find scum and can't. it's an investigative role that will return town 80% of the time. That safe a claim, combined with the fact that the medic that claimed to him just kicked the bucket make me very skeptical.
Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Has anybody claimed the kill on Navillus, or was that a scumhit? It was separated from the other two kills last night, so I'm inclined to believe that we have a vig.
i largely agree with this but drobear's dying words were literally that jackal is scum. Nisani made an impressive mess of the situation, but dropbear obviously knew something we didnt, and jackal also knows whatever it is, and yet the town is still ignorant about it. Yes youre holding back information jackal. ##vote jackal58 on another note : lulz
On August 19 2011 08:04 Forumite wrote: Okay, something is going on here. Either Trotske and Hiro really are Rivals, and Hiro is trying to get Trotske killed by lying about it, Trotske is scum and is trying to get Hiro lynched with this rival accusation, or both are scum. They are both sticking to their stories, so it doesn´t look like Trotskes PM was a trick. Town don´t lie, but Rival Town has other priorities, they need to kill a player and stay alive, both are anti-Town goals, as they divert from scumhunting. Being rivals doesn´t make them Scum, but if they really are scum pretending to be Rivals, being known as Rivals is a good way to hide scummy behavior. I don´t like it, so I´m putting on the pressure.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
On August 19 2011 07:11 hiro protagonist wrote: Cool story Trotske, but I am not your rival, so you dont have to worry about Me tunneling or killing you... at least, not until I think your scum
I PMed GMan, and he said it is possible for someone to have a rival that is not a rival back, so you might not be lying.
this is exactly why rival claims are bullshit, rival 1 : im rival with rival 2 rival 2 : no hes not rival 1 dies (and you fell for it)
Jackal's chainsaw reaction pretty much confirms him as scum.
See, when Nisani made that post saying if DropBear dies then either me or Jackal is Mafia, my natural response was "there's a false connection to me since I'm not guilty of anything."
Jackal's natural response was "NISANI IS SCUM HE ACCUSED ME." Guilty conscience.
On August 19 2011 21:59 Curu wrote: Jackal's chainsaw reaction pretty much confirms him as scum.
See, when Nisani made that post saying if DropBear dies then either me or Jackal is Mafia, my natural response was "there's a false connection to me since I'm not guilty of anything."
Jackal's natural response was "NISANI IS SCUM HE ACCUSED ME." Guilty conscience.
##Vote Jackal58
Go ahead. You guys are getting raped and you're enjoying it. I made no chainsaw defense. I pointed out the obvious. Nisani is scum. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the guy next in line for Leader is scum.
I'm 99% sure he's scum. Careful though, he's acting really strange and trying to draw attention to himself. I think he has a Short Fuse or Rabid Fanboy trait.
So who you guys gonna lynch after I flip town? Who ever Nisani tells you to? And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said.
On August 17 2011 09:35 Jackal58 wrote: Alright Nisani. My vote is off of you. I've watched you defend yourself from a lynch as scum and as a townie. Townie wins in this comparison. So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why?
Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game?
This was your post when Nisani first claimed DT, why the sudden surety about him now?
On August 17 2011 09:35 Jackal58 wrote: Alright Nisani. My vote is off of you. I've watched you defend yourself from a lynch as scum and as a townie. Townie wins in this comparison. So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why?
Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game?
This was your post when Nisani first claimed DT, why the sudden surety about him now?
Because he survived. Because he knew who the medic was. Because he claimed to have checked a dead guy.
If you claim DT and a medic PMs you to tell you who you he is and that he will protect you that's not the guy you do a DT check on. If he's lying and he's scum you are dead anyways. If he's telling the truth you'll be alive in the morning. He's scum. He's claiming he checked the medic that he killed. There is so much wrong with this it's not even funny.
GMarshal is MIA and I am already tipsy. I don't want to mess it up so I'll just do the whole Day 2 thing tomorrow. Feel free to bicker. If you know you are the vote leader in the voting thread you MAY be dead, so be careful with what you say.
On August 17 2011 09:35 Jackal58 wrote: Alright Nisani. My vote is off of you. I've watched you defend yourself from a lynch as scum and as a townie. Townie wins in this comparison. So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why?
Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game?
This was your post when Nisani first claimed DT, why the sudden surety about him now?
Because he survived. Because he knew who the medic was. Because he claimed to have checked a dead guy.
If you claim DT and a medic PMs you to tell you who you he is and that he will protect you that's not the guy you do a DT check on. If he's lying and he's scum you are dead anyways. If he's telling the truth you'll be alive in the morning. He's scum. He's claiming he checked the medic that he killed. There is so much wrong with this it's not even funny.
I checked DropBear because I was still suspicious.
On August 20 2011 02:34 Sknowman wrote: I don't see why you guys are voting Jackal.
I can never read him well, so we'll see.
Maybe you don't understand, but I understand perfectly. I have the PM's from DropBear, which is all I need.
The opinion of a dead guy. Fed by scum to a school of derps. If all it takes for you to beconvinced I'm scum is a dead guys day 1 opinion that somebody "may" be scum and to "keep an eye on him" you're a moron.
That's a nice contradiction from yesterday. I didn't think you could be scum because I was convinced Jackal, GreyMisT, and Forumite were scum together, but maybe what Jackal was saying actually has some merit.
Can you explain why you're still alive if you're a claimed DT with the Medic dead?
On August 20 2011 05:38 Curu wrote: That's a nice contradiction from yesterday. I didn't think you could be scum because I was convinced Jackal, GreyMisT, and Forumite were scum together, but maybe what Jackal was saying actually has some merit.
Can you explain why you're still alive if you're a claimed DT with the Medic dead?
I told you about DropBear. DropBear died, and Jackal didn't kill him.
On August 20 2011 05:38 Curu wrote: That's a nice contradiction from yesterday. I didn't think you could be scum because I was convinced Jackal, GreyMisT, and Forumite were scum together, but maybe what Jackal was saying actually has some merit.
Can you explain why you're still alive if you're a claimed DT with the Medic dead?
I told you about DropBear. DropBear died, and Jackal didn't kill him.
So why are you alive as a DT?
I can't explain why Mafia would want to hit DropBear any more than you can explain why Mafia wouldn't want to hit you. If you're going to be contributing nothing else except non-evidence like that you need to shape up.
From what it looks like you devised a "clever trap" then used that as an excuse to throw your vote and contribute nothing else.
I'll repeat myself again: I'm not an idiot and if I were Mafia I certainly wouldn't kill DropBear until you were dead.
Actually you know what, I think DropBear told Nisani he was a Doc then told other people that if he died Nisani had to be looked at. Nisani wanted to kill the Doc anyways so he told me about it so he could blame me when DropBear actually died.
I don't buy that you told me simply because you trusted me for one post I made in the thread. As I said before, telling me who the Doc was made no sense at all unless you were trying to trap me. But you've insisted that you weren't trying to trap me and your insistence on pushing in a second mislynch while ignoring everything else is pretty fishy.
On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder.
Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying.
This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear.
Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me.
That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear).
This is such a ridiculous reason to "trust" someone and tell them who the Doc is. I was sure you were trying to trap me but apparently you weren't. I didn't push this issue yesterday because I was pretty sure Jackal was scum from his reaction but he was legit. Are you just trying to shift the blame to me?
On August 17 2011 10:01 Varpulis wrote: Slam500 is probably going to get modkilled. Look at his posts. all of the one's ingame are between 6-8 kst. He's probably not going to remember to check the thread before the deadline, because it's 11am in our timezone.
TAA's posts are good on a whole, imo. I don't think he's scum and i don't think we should lynch him.
I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
this is a slip, its a hidden gem we discover after he gets lynched one day, then we see this and go hurr durr we know the scum team now! I was literally under 0 pressure at that point, why the fuck would a townie say that?
On August 17 2011 10:01 Varpulis wrote: Slam500 is probably going to get modkilled. Look at his posts. all of the one's ingame are between 6-8 kst. He's probably not going to remember to check the thread before the deadline, because it's 11am in our timezone.
TAA's posts are good on a whole, imo. I don't think he's scum and i don't think we should lynch him.
I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
scum really wanted drop dead, after they tried to lynch him they just killed him. They wouldnt have killed him if the pressure/suspicion on him was real, ergo this pressure didnt mean anything to scum, ergo varp is scum.
On August 18 2011 01:19 Varpulis wrote: why did it specify the scumteam he was from? Never seen that before.
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Is leader the trait that lets him substitute the leading vote-getter for somebody else?
yeah we know you can see the townies from the scummsies, whats interesting is that you started defending him after he was lynched and before he flipped. All the town cred none of the consequences best of 2 worlds huh?
I'm not convinced either way between Curu and Nisani's argument. I could see a situation where both are town because what Curu is saying makes sense. If he was scum, killing DropBear would pretty much get him killed. Most obvious fish ever. And Nisani may have just played it wrong as town (seriously, who claims DT in a PM that early in the game with no reason to believe in Curu being town?) and then drawn conclusions from that. But then again it wouldn't really surprise me if either one were scum.
I'm putting my vote on Trotske for now. He's been pretty quiet now that the focus has shifted off him and I'd like to put him under some pressure, especially since the questions asked from the following post haven't been answered, as the discussion was sidetracked by asking whether or not rivals could be non-reciprocal. He hasn't accounted for his random Rival claim in N0 yet, which I find very strange.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
He claims to me then Contradicts with this post
What do you guys think of Dropbear I feel like his plan and the whole rival thing still hasn't been addressed, The whole part about rivals claims seems like a great way for scum to have people to frame. kill someones rival they look like scum so they get lynched aka almost getting a free KP and wasting a lynch.
I just dont know what to think of this anymore. We need to pressure him, we need him to be here and contribute.
On August 17 2011 10:01 Varpulis wrote: Slam500 is probably going to get modkilled. Look at his posts. all of the one's ingame are between 6-8 kst. He's probably not going to remember to check the thread before the deadline, because it's 11am in our timezone.
TAA's posts are good on a whole, imo. I don't think he's scum and i don't think we should lynch him.
I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
this is a slip, its a hidden gem we discover after he gets lynched one day, then we see this and go hurr durr we know the scum team now! I was literally under 0 pressure at that point, why the fuck would a townie say that?
If i remember correctly, Nisani wanted to lynch you day 1. That was my response to that. How the hell is it a scumslip?
On August 17 2011 10:01 Varpulis wrote: Slam500 is probably going to get modkilled. Look at his posts. all of the one's ingame are between 6-8 kst. He's probably not going to remember to check the thread before the deadline, because it's 11am in our timezone.
TAA's posts are good on a whole, imo. I don't think he's scum and i don't think we should lynch him.
I do like the case against DropBear though. His posts are almost 100% devoted to his claiming plan and discussing mechanics, and his only post regarding who he wants to lynch/who he thinks is scum is
On August 17 2011 02:14 DropBear wrote: I want to cook the muffin man.
no explanation, nothing. This is exactly the kind of semi-abstain vote i was talking about in the beginning of the game. I think i missed this post before, didn't realize he had voted at the same time.
scum really wanted drop dead, after they tried to lynch him they just killed him. They wouldnt have killed him if the pressure/suspicion on him was real, ergo this pressure didnt mean anything to scum, ergo varp is scum. ergo i don't understand the connection, sorry
On August 18 2011 01:19 Varpulis wrote: why did it specify the scumteam he was from? Never seen that before.
On August 14 2011 23:33 Ciryandor wrote:
On August 14 2011 21:25 Sknowman wrote: Since the traits are listed in black, are they 3rd party?
No, traits may be distributed to both sides.
On August 14 2011 21:01 DropBear wrote: What is the Werewolf KP formula?
KPs have been PMed to any/all scum groups, total KP is not public knowledge.
multiple scumteams possibly?
Does anybody want to claim the kill on Navillus and explain why the fuck they killed him?
overly safe, its obvious there are multiple scum teams, he just didnt want to pull a nisani. I drew a conclusion from evidence. Big difference between that and what nisani did.
On August 19 2011 11:52 Varpulis wrote: Also, i've got a pretty solid town read on Jackal.
Is leader the trait that lets him substitute the leading vote-getter for somebody else?
yeah we know you can see the townies from the scummsies, whats interesting is that you started defending him after he was lynched and before he flipped. All the town cred none of the consequences best of 2 worlds huh? at least 4 people voted for jackal after i made the initial comment, which is here. Your point is null.
Heh, can you give a good reason besides a stupid trap that I saw coming? Your only arguments have been "nah you're scum" when I've explained the situation to you.
Ok, now that I am awake and functional, I am not so sure about Nisani being scum. Alot of my scumdar relies on how fellow sum interact with each other. Initially, I thought that Curu was 100% town based on the fact that it would be utterly stupid to start a wagon on your teammate day 1. But if there is multiple scum teams, which I think there is, then Curu might not have known he was lynching scum
I say there is a 80% chance that one of Curu/Nisani are scum. The real Greek tragedy would be if they are both town, witch might be possible :/
so lets back up a bit, cuz I want some questions answered.
Curu, Why where you so sure that Jackal was scum?
also, during day 1 there was a group of people talking about tying the lynch with a lurker. heres my PMs with Jackal:
He and ON both give me the willies.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: I was approached by TAA. My thought is that Dropbear could have claimed to anyone in that list. I have suspisions about TAA. whats your thoughts on him?
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Jackal58: Sknowman. Varpulis, Dropbear, The AwesomeAll and of course Kurumi. It was Kurumi's idea. He approached me with it first.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: Just a question, you had mentioned that Dropbear had talked to you about tieing the vote up. Did you talk to anyone else about that?
when I asked Curu about this, he said he was not approached.
Nope, nobody that wanted to push lurkers.
Jackal is 99% scum but he's acting like a lightning rod. I think he has a Short Fuse or Rabid Fanboy trait.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: so, who do you think would be the best lynch tonight? Also where you contacted by anyone about trying to tie the lynch with a lurker? thanks
does anyone else notice that alot of people in that list from Jackal are dead? Someone in there is killing PM buddys to cover there tracks. It is also possible that DropBear claimed to someone in that group. and out of everyone in there, I am most suspicious of TheAwesomeAll
long story short, I cant make up my mind about Curu or Nisani yet. I think TAA is scum. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll
On August 20 2011 09:28 snotboogie wrote: I'm not convinced either way between Curu and Nisani's argument. I could see a situation where both are town because what Curu is saying makes sense. If he was scum, killing DropBear would pretty much get him killed. Most obvious fish ever. And Nisani may have just played it wrong as town (seriously, who claims DT in a PM that early in the game with no reason to believe in Curu being town?) and then drawn conclusions from that. But then again it wouldn't really surprise me if either one were scum.
I'm putting my vote on Trotske for now. He's been pretty quiet now that the focus has shifted off him and I'd like to put him under some pressure, especially since the questions asked from the following post haven't been answered, as the discussion was sidetracked by asking whether or not rivals could be non-reciprocal. He hasn't accounted for his random Rival claim in N0 yet, which I find very strange.
Original Message From Trotske: I am a Rival with Hiro Protagonist
Rivals: These players hate each other obsessively, and must do everything in their power to eliminate their rival. If a person's rival is alive at the end of the game, they lose, no matter which side wins, if their rival/s is killed, they will in turn win if alive at endgame, and their side wins. They will know the name of their rival/s from the start.
I'm telling you this because you said you would be inactive until after the day post. and I don't have any sort of scum lean on you.
If I die to a mafia hit look at his ass. I have to this information to Sevryn also. in the event he posts after I die and it doesn't say anything about hiro look at him as mafia also.
He claims to me then Contradicts with this post
What do you guys think of Dropbear I feel like his plan and the whole rival thing still hasn't been addressed, The whole part about rivals claims seems like a great way for scum to have people to frame. kill someones rival they look like scum so they get lynched aka almost getting a free KP and wasting a lynch.
I just dont know what to think of this anymore. We need to pressure him, we need him to be here and contribute.
##Vote Trotske
##Vote Trotske
first of all I went to bed.
Second if you had read my posts you wouldn't be asking why I claimed n0.
DropBear hasn't claimed to me. Today I want to enforce the double lynch. I think we should get rid of slam500 together with our lynch candidate. Why slam500? His actions on first day and ABSENCE He did not post ANYTHING in 5 "Korean" days. His last post was August 16th. Today is August 21th. We don't have modkills so we need to implement them themselves. I want Curu,Nisani and snotboogie to vote on slam500. Forumite, me, hiro protagonist and taa will vote on the lynch candidate. Is that ok? We need to coordinate the votes so we don't get trolled/tricked.
Nisani, Its a gut feeling, but its mostly about how his post interact with the rest of the thread. He was very much acting like a scumhunter until GreMist became the lynch target. sense then he has mostly been mute, other than to ask you what your check came back as. Just now he comes back and FoS's Varp. Varps responses are just what I see as well.
lol hiro i was checking if you were rival with trotske, i gave him a list of lurkers and said i wanted to tie a lynch with one. One of the lurkers was trotske, he didnt pick him.
Original Message From TheAwesomeAll: i think we should tie the lynch with a lurker, there are simply too many of them atm. Before posting in the thread i want to discuss it with you and some other people that seem likely town to me. these people are lurking hardcore
12. Sevryn
9. Da-Muffinman
15. DroneAllDay
4. Trotske
13. sinani206 *not nisani
What do you think? ALso who to lynch first? sinani seems relatively scummy to me since he isnt active. Da muffinman on the other hand seems relatively town to me since he got called out and is prolly afk. Also if DB is scum muffin prolly isnt. the main point is that we just lynch one of these guys, ur in?
im an excellent writer, hiro fell fore it but it turns out he isnt rival with trotske. Since not a lot of people knew about this it was hardly relevant.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: ok I am down for this, If you can work out the logistics and PM me I could switch votes if need be. let me know. also, snotboogie would be a good lurker lynch as well.
On August 21 2011 03:46 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, now that I am awake and functional, I am not so sure about Nisani being scum. Alot of my scumdar relies on how fellow sum interact with each other. Initially, I thought that Curu was 100% town based on the fact that it would be utterly stupid to start a wagon on your teammate day 1. But if there is multiple scum teams, which I think there is, then Curu might not have known he was lynching scum
I say there is a 80% chance that one of Curu/Nisani are scum. The real Greek tragedy would be if they are both town, witch might be possible :/
so lets back up a bit, cuz I want some questions answered.
Curu, Why where you so sure that Jackal was scum?
also, during day 1 there was a group of people talking about tying the lynch with a lurker. heres my PMs with Jackal:
Original Message From hiro protagonist: I was approached by TAA. My thought is that Dropbear could have claimed to anyone in that list. I have suspisions about TAA. whats your thoughts on him?
Hide nested quote - Original Message From Jackal58: Sknowman. Varpulis, Dropbear, The AwesomeAll and of course Kurumi. It was Kurumi's idea. He approached me with it first.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: Just a question, you had mentioned that Dropbear had talked to you about tieing the vote up. Did you talk to anyone else about that?
when I asked Curu about this, he said he was not approached.
Jackal is 99% scum but he's acting like a lightning rod. I think he has a Short Fuse or Rabid Fanboy trait.
Original Message From hiro protagonist: so, who do you think would be the best lynch tonight? Also where you contacted by anyone about trying to tie the lynch with a lurker? thanks
does anyone else notice that alot of people in that list from Jackal are dead? Someone in there is killing PM buddys to cover there tracks. It is also possible that DropBear claimed to someone in that group. and out of everyone in there, I am most suspicious of TheAwesomeAll
long story short, I cant make up my mind about Curu or Nisani yet. I think TAA is scum. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll
Because the first sign of a guilty conscience is to attack your attacker. I could come up with scenarios why I was not guilty because I know I didn't shoot DropBear so there had to be an alternate answer.
My mistake in thinking Jackal scum was assuming Nisani is Town because a day 1 DT claim and PMing someone with 1 post the name of the Medic is just watttttt scum play. It didn't occur to me that Nisani could be trying to just push the blame of the Medic's death on me though.
2 people from this list are gonna die today. Anyone not on that list will nominate someone to die, and give there reason. the 2 highest nominees will hang. Anyone against this will be up for the next lynch, I promise you that. Sinani gets to stay off because he was away, but if he does nothing to contribute he will hang the next day after.
EBWODP wow hit submit by accident I was going to say while I think your plan isn't a bad one promising to lynch someone based on whether they agree with your plan is kinda scummy also there has been like no activity all day so everyone has been lurking not just the people on your list dont you think we should decide instead of having one person decide who the lurkers are.
I fail to see how wanting to punish those who would get in the way of ridding town of useless/unreadable players as scummy. as for the list, these are the people that have been lurking THE WHOLE GAME, not just day 3.
I think my list is pretty much the whole crew of them, but Im open to suggestions. who would you put on this list. also, mind lending your thoughts about the last couple of pages, rather than just saying this:
On August 21 2011 11:07 Sevryn wrote: *tumble weed blows through*
Well somebody got Dropbear killed and as of right now its looking more and more like NIsani is scum imo so i would like to lynch him. of the lurkers on your list I think trotske has the oddest play atm and would help lynch him. I am going to vote for nisani now because either him or curu is scum otherwise how did scum know to kill Dropbear? ##vote Nisani201
I sorta agree with syvern, just one thing that we need to be careful of is that Dropbear was very clearly town so that while I do think Nisani is pretty scummy, we must also remember that Dropbear might have died without the mafia knowing he was the protector just because Greymist, who was to become confirmed scum on lynch was advocating to kill bear. But that being said I'll say it again Nisani seems like scum, so I'm voting for him.
Nisani201 has been up for lynching since Day 1, and looking at who´s been pushing for him each day will give a lot of information, depending on the way he flips. Unlike the lurkers, lynching Nisani201 will give us a lot of information about other players.
2 people from this list are gonna die today. Anyone not on that list will nominate someone to die, and give there reason. the 2 highest nominees will hang. Anyone against this will be up for the next lynch, I promise you that. Sinani gets to stay off because he was away, but if he does nothing to contribute he will hang the next day after.
What do you define as lurking? I admit I've been conservative with my posts but that's because I don't like to post unless I actually have something to say. Anyway seems like you're trying to take charge and be the boss here, which I feel iffy about. Feels like a perfect scum strategy to get rid of 2 townies today.
2 people from this list are gonna die today. Anyone not on that list will nominate someone to die, and give there reason. the 2 highest nominees will hang. Anyone against this will be up for the next lynch, I promise you that. Sinani gets to stay off because he was away, but if he does nothing to contribute he will hang the next day after.
What do you define as lurking? I admit I've been conservative with my posts but that's because I don't like to post unless I actually have something to say. Anyway seems like you're trying to take charge and be the boss here, which I feel iffy about. Feels like a perfect scum strategy to get rid of 2 townies today.
And you only show up when your called out, that's the definition of active lurking...
I would love for you to point out how my plan was anyway scummy. Do you not think there is a scum in that list? I am just saying, everyone on this list needs to step up there game, or die.
oh, and I am cool with Nisani for today, but I will still be pressuring anyone that are not talking.
Why oh why would you guys try to be this bone-headed is a mystery to the GM, as you get Nisani201 stripped of his position as Banling. But now the game is up, as after seeing Nisani was a good guy after all, some guys trying to be like IdrA showed how stupid TheAwesomeAll was and forced him to ragequit after easily fending off his Bancheese.
Nisani201 the Jounalist was lynched TheAwesomeAll the Scum from the Ragequitting Rushers Scumteam was killed
GM's REMINDER:
Scum Team wins only if opposite scum team gets wiped out.
Why we went dead silent today? The game isn't over, we have at least two scum left. I am voting slam500, so we get a lurker lynch, he looks like he forgot about the thread since he was a lynch candidate.
On August 22 2011 16:52 Kurumi wrote: Why we went dead silent today? The game isn't over, we have at least two scum left. I am voting slam500, so we get a lurker lynch, he looks like he forgot about the thread since he was a lynch candidate.
On August 22 2011 16:52 Kurumi wrote: Why we went dead silent today? The game isn't over, we have at least two scum left. I am voting slam500, so we get a lurker lynch, he looks like he forgot about the thread since he was a lynch candidate.
I´m not sure about this strategy, it´s basically giving up our vote doing what the rules are meant to do for us. I´d rather see modkills actually happen. As they don´t, killing off Slam500 could work if we can´t think of a better target. Might shake the other lurkers out of inactivity.
On that note, still waiting for Curu to explain why I´m scum.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it.
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush.
First off, already saying he won't even think about being in IRC, setting up a thing he can point at later if people accuse him for being scummy for it. As he says in his own post, he has done nothing but discuss mechanics and tactics, he's afraid to lay down a vote of his own so he won't be suspicious if he leads a mislynch.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
But here's a FoS
On August 17 2011 07:57 Forumite wrote: I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee
As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201
This post came right when the GreyMisT wagon was picking up heat:
On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite
I did a FoS because it had to be done, but I´m not wasting my vote if I don´t think JeeJee is going to get lynched.
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About Nisanis201's rolecheck, I can confirm it, his check result is correct. It doesn´t make him a confirmed Blue, but it gives us enough reason to not lynch him right now.
We don´t want to lynch a possible Nisani201, the next candidates are Slam500 and Greymist. Between those, Greymist at least posts in the thread, from looking at the thread and cursory glance at the Irc-chat, Slam500 dropped out of the game a day ago. I´m not sure if I´m here for the deadline, so my vote goes out now.
##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote: Slam500
He went from Nisani to Slam because Slam was the only one with a chance of getting lynched that wasn't GreyMisT.
On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: I´ll think I´ll try a general postcount before we get to p51, there are several lurkers in the game, and I trust my numbers and analysis more than my scumsense.
Scum excuse for not giving an opinion and scum excuse for posting useless stuff while appearing to be contributing.
I didn't think he was scum because I was sure Jackal was and Forumite voted for Jackal very easily, but he's scum.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it.
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush.
First off, already saying he won't even think about being in IRC, setting up a thing he can point at later if people accuse him for being scummy for it. As he says in his own post, he has done nothing but discuss mechanics and tactics, he's afraid to lay down a vote of his own so he won't be suspicious if he leads a mislynch.
On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it.
See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir)
We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead...
So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one.
You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES
Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult!
In other news, water is wet.
For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite
I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. yeah, i'm quite aware
As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position?
see red.
What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting.
My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum.
On August 17 2011 07:57 Forumite wrote: I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee
As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201
This post came right when the GreyMisT wagon was picking up heat:
On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite
I did a FoS because it had to be done, but I´m not wasting my vote if I don´t think JeeJee is going to get lynched.
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About Nisanis201's rolecheck, I can confirm it, his check result is correct. It doesn´t make him a confirmed Blue, but it gives us enough reason to not lynch him right now.
We don´t want to lynch a possible Nisani201, the next candidates are Slam500 and Greymist. Between those, Greymist at least posts in the thread, from looking at the thread and cursory glance at the Irc-chat, Slam500 dropped out of the game a day ago. I´m not sure if I´m here for the deadline, so my vote goes out now.
##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote: Slam500
He went from Nisani to Slam because Slam was the only one with a chance of getting lynched that wasn't GreyMisT.
On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: I´ll think I´ll try a general postcount before we get to p51, there are several lurkers in the game, and I trust my numbers and analysis more than my scumsense.
Scum excuse for not giving an opinion and scum excuse for posting useless stuff while appearing to be contributing.
I didn't think he was scum because I was sure Jackal was and Forumite voted for Jackal very easily, but he's scum.
##Vote Forumite
The vote for slam over greymist is pretty scummy
Also i asked the host if people were going to get mod killed today he said he would look over the thread and people will die so I am against voting for inactives untill we see which of them die and can then lynch them accordingly unless there is a scum slip so we dont end up with someone who doesnt post at a lylo. ##vote Forumite
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I find forumite to be scummy and I'm voting for him, especially now that we have a chance to lynch him. (and this time I'm gonna remember to post in the voting thread lol.
Really Curu? Tell us to expect something good, then wait 23 hours during which we are waiting for the bomb and don´t discuss anyone else? At least it´s an effective technique to get someone lynched, and enough are buying it.
On August 23 2011 03:21 Forumite wrote: Really Curu? Tell us to expect something good, then wait 23 hours during which we are waiting for the bomb and don´t discuss anyone else? At least it´s an effective technique to get someone lynched, and enough are buying it.
Okay, first, I disagree that not using IRC is scummy. In my opinion, using IRC kills this game, the posts are short and without depth, there is no real analysis. Ironically, the post Curu did on me is one of the few serious analysis posts so far, and it took until Day 3 to see it. You all go to Irc, post 80% irrelevant information, sometimes under false names (I think JeeJee did this), and feel like you are contributing, while the place where discussion and analysis can take place with everyone, this thread, is left empty.
I just gonna put this out there. this game is a mess. To many lurkers. and no good leads. I think there are 5 mafia left not 3. the only saving grace is that one scum team has to kill the other. and I think that's whats happening with our main lynch right now. one scum accusing another.
I said I was not going to use Irc because I knew people would use it as a reason to lynch me. When I said it, it had allready come up.
As for making a Fos on JeeJee after saying I dislike accusing players, I don´t consider it to have any significance, I don´t know why Curu brought it up.
As for not voting Greymist, if I was scum like Curu thinks, wouldn´t I have jumped on that bandwagon eventually, for the towncred? Of course, I could have been in the other team, except TAA did a quick FoS on me, which started the early suspicion. Either way, it doesn´t add up.
---- There are two scumteams, and scum need to take an active part in scumhunting, or risk getting killed off, because the scumteam that control the lynches, get more killpower. Scum must be active and try to lead Town, not blend in. Who do scum kill? Anyone of their own team, it doesn´t matter, they just need to get someone killed, Town or enemy Scum. At least two players look like they are good at pushing for and securing a lynch, from the first two days, and the bandwagon on me.
On August 23 2011 07:24 Forumite wrote: Missed it earlier, Sevryn has been very successfull with bandwagoning winning lynches too.
what is the difference between bandwagoning and presenting a good argument that people can agree with? Also you will notice that alot of the people that voted are some of the only active/semi active people in this thread as soon as we find out who is getting modkilled today I am all for lynching lurkers so we dont get into a bad lylo.
Okay, I see an opportunity to get rid of both Forumite and Slam500 today, so I'll keep my vote on Slam. While I previously suggested that this could be construed as a scum tactic, I think getting rid of Slam shouldn't even count as a lynch since he'd be modkilled in any other game.
On August 23 2011 12:01 snotboogie wrote: Okay, I see an opportunity to get rid of both Forumite and Slam500 today, so I'll keep my vote on Slam. While I previously suggested that this could be construed as a scum tactic, I think getting rid of Slam shouldn't even count as a lynch since he'd be modkilled in any other game.
I asked Ciryandor and he said people will be getting modkilled today
On August 23 2011 06:04 Forumite wrote: I said I was not going to use Irc because I knew people would use it as a reason to lynch me. When I said it, it had allready come up.
As for making a Fos on JeeJee after saying I dislike accusing players, I don´t consider it to have any significance, I don´t know why Curu brought it up.
As for not voting Greymist, if I was scum like Curu thinks, wouldn´t I have jumped on that bandwagon eventually, for the towncred? Of course, I could have been in the other team, except TAA did a quick FoS on me, which started the early suspicion. Either way, it doesn´t add up.
---- There are two scumteams, and scum need to take an active part in scumhunting, or risk getting killed off, because the scumteam that control the lynches, get more killpower. Scum must be active and try to lead Town, not blend in. Who do scum kill? Anyone of their own team, it doesn´t matter, they just need to get someone killed, Town or enemy Scum. At least two players look like they are good at pushing for and securing a lynch, from the first two days, and the bandwagon on me.
This doesn't make any sense. People who push for lynches are scum? What kind of bullshit is this? Sounds like some type of last-minute scum chainsaw defense.
On August 23 2011 07:24 Forumite wrote: Missed it earlier, Sevryn has been very successfull with bandwagoning winning lynches too.
On August 23 2011 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote: ahahahaha... this game...
The silent treatment? Not even calling it out as an OMGUS? There is such a thing as taking an accusation too cool.
##Vote: Curu
I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy?
Forumite, your play in this game has been scummy up till now and these last few votes under pressure really show your true colors.
On August 23 2011 13:50 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy?
Curu is most likely, because he got the bandwagon going, the others are secondary, they tagged along. I added Sevryn to the list for consistency.
As for why scumhunting is scummy, I assume you didn´t read that post, so I´ll explain again. Scum has to find the enemy scumteam, so even scum like Curu will go around and try to find out who is looking scummy. The usual scumtells, like knowing in advance who is scum, and not hunting for other scum, don´t apply here. Being a successfull scumhunter doesn´t make you Town. Being aggressive with lynching doesn´t make you Town.
On August 23 2011 12:01 snotboogie wrote: Okay, I see an opportunity to get rid of both Forumite and Slam500 today, so I'll keep my vote on Slam. While I previously suggested that this could be construed as a scum tactic, I think getting rid of Slam shouldn't even count as a lynch since he'd be modkilled in any other game.
I asked Ciryandor and he said people will be getting modkilled today
On August 23 2011 13:50 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy?
Curu is most likely, because he got the bandwagon going, the others are secondary, they tagged along. I added Sevryn to the list for consistency.
As for why scumhunting is scummy, I assume you didn´t read that post, so I´ll explain again. Scum has to find the enemy scumteam, so even scum like Curu will go around and try to find out who is looking scummy. The usual scumtells, like knowing in advance who is scum, and not hunting for other scum, don´t apply here. Being a successfull scumhunter doesn´t make you Town. Being aggressive with lynching doesn´t make you Town.
lol I'm scum because I scumhunted you and scum need to scumhunt too (the people who aren't scumhunting are Town!).
Forumite's basically admitted he's scum. He's saying "don't trust Curu, yeah I'm going to flip scum but he might just be scum hunting scum!"
I say Curu should get lynched, and that´s relevant no matter what any of you think I am, and with only 48 hours per day, you should start thinking about this right now. Seriously, Curu´s way of dealing with this lynch and the counter-FoS screams scum to me. Waiting 23 hours before actually posting his analysis of me? He cost Town half the day there, a day that would have been better used to discuss this lynch, instead of rushing into it. And afterwards, I did an obvious OMGUS, and he just waved it away, hoping it wouldn´t catch on. That´s what´s scummy, not just the scumhunting, but the way he scumhunts.
One of either Curu, Hiro or possibly Sevryn is scum. Looking at nightkills, there should be only 2 scumteams. As both scumteams have lost a member each allready, killing whoever is scum between Curu, Hiro and Sevryn will destroy one of the teams. I guess it will have to wait until tomorrow, though.
I waited because I'm willing to put forth as much effort into this game as anyone else is. And right now, that effort is 1 hour per day.
Everything you do screams scum, shut up and die. I would've pushed your case day 2 if I wasn't sure Jackal was scum then (doubts on you because of how easily you went to lynch Jackal).
In fact fine, if one of the scumteams doesn't shoot me tonight (I am the obvious shot now) go ahead and lynch me tomorrow. I don't expect to survive the night.
Come on Curu, you know this isn´t about me, it´s about you, and how you are scum. It doesn´t matter what I am, if I´m Town or Scum, because either way, I hunt scum like you.
What? You don't hunt scum at all. You make excuses for why you don't hunt scum ("I don't trust my scumdar guys so I'm just going to post lurker lists lol").
I've been at the head of all three (now four) lynches, don't even try to project your scummy crap on me.
In fact, your argument makes even less sense in a game with two scumteams. No scum is going to be actively in the spotlight trying to scumhunt, because they're always worried about being shot by the other team.
I'm Town, deal with it. You can keep reaching for reasons to convince people I'm scum though, I need a laugh.
On August 23 2011 22:23 Curu wrote: I've been at the head of all three (now four) lynches, don't even try to project your scummy crap on me.
So, I assume you think that makes you Town?
My role PM makes me Town, I don't need to convince your scummy ass of anything. Your argument is literally "Curu leads the lynches, he must be scum because scum need to scumhunt too" gtfo.
Curu is no longer replying to scum. Anyone else, feel free to ask whatever you want.
Forumite, you're invisible till you swing. Swing scum swing.
On August 23 2011 22:43 Curu wrote: Double posting cause there's nothing between this post and my previous post. And cause I'm allowed to double post here.
Like I said if I'm not dead tonight then go for it boys. I'm a thunderbolt, I got the scum in my sights, ain't nothing stopping me now. You best believe I'm leading this Town to viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiictory.
Lead Town to victory? While Curu is quick to vote on whoever is going to get lynched, so far two of those are Blues, and only the first one, Greymist, was scum. With 1/3 accuracy, it sounds more like Curu will lead Town to an early doom.
On August 23 2011 13:50 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy?
Curu is most likely, because he got the bandwagon going, the others are secondary, they tagged along. I added Sevryn to the list for consistency.
As for why scumhunting is scummy, I assume you didn´t read that post, so I´ll explain again. Scum has to find the enemy scumteam, so even scum like Curu will go around and try to find out who is looking scummy. The usual scumtells, like knowing in advance who is scum, and not hunting for other scum, don´t apply here. Being a successfull scumhunter doesn´t make you Town. Being aggressive with lynching doesn´t make you Town.
But you accused two people for active scumhunting. I can see what you're saying here, but you can't accuse people for scumhunting, you just can't use scumhunting as a defense for anyone.
True, scumhunting isn´t scummy in itself, but the way you scumhunt can be scummy. Curu is scummy for the way he scumhunts, and for the occasional scumtell (around 15) he´s made the last few pages.
Well well well, what do we have here. Finally you get a wolf wanting to chow on someone lynched. A proper one too. And my patience has also run out at one of you, and I happened to like vanilla. Also, someone got 2-gated for trying to macro in a BGH FFA then QQs in Strat, and the 2-gater was drop-hacked by someone then banned in-forums for spamming his report.
Forumite the former Vigilante Badmannered Bastard Scum was lynched. slam500 the Vanilla Flavored Townie was munched on by the GM Curu the 2nd in Command Ragequitting Rusher Corrupted was killed DroneAllDay the Brutal Townie was killed
wait, 4 scum are already dead and the game is not over already? Forumite mentioned that his team is RIP and it consisted out of 2 people, Curu and TAA died too. Do we have third Mafia group without KP or something?
Also we need to get rid of lurkers ASAP, I have no idea how many scum there are left (obviously 1+) I am voting Trotske, he hasn't voted for 2 cycles. I thought slam500 was scum who abandoned the game, but oh well -_- Since lurking in this game was so easy and accepted it would be a comfortable place for scum.
How many fucking scum are there? 4 dead, Forumite says that his team is dead (could be bullshitting though, can't trust scum) I'd estimate 1-2 scum left, at least one on the red team.
On August 24 2011 03:01 hiro protagonist wrote: the godfather is still alive
how do you know that? Where in the thread is there evidence that there even is a godfather?
Also, rofl @curu. you DID ask the mafia to shoot you...
this thread is MAJORLY dead. Seriously. It is my belief that killing of "lurkers" isn't going to magically make activity. There's no discussion, nothing. Trotske, defend yourself.
##vote trotske
He's been semi-active, but hasn't posted much of anything useful. Following his rival claim, he's been largely overlooked. Rival is a trait, not a role, so i postulate that the role to go along with his trait is scum
And we are down to five, and a very dangerous situation it is now... How many bad men are left? How many are still alive?
Trotske the rival was lynched hiro protagonist the formerly blessed Townie with a rival was killed Varpulis the Spying Badmannered Bastard scum was killed
There is only one scum left guys. You might ask how i know this its because I am a spy. Now the past couple nights I have watched someone that gets killed.
You see someone with a knife sneaking up on Hiro, but right behind him is someone else with a knife of his own, stalking him as well.
You see two people enter the house, one of them apparently already bloody when he came in, and then... screams. You bolt and hope that the two men did not notice your hiding place being disturbed. This was when i spyed on curu. So we try and kill scum tonight but if it doesnt work the three people that are left should do a lynch triangle such as a--->b---->c----->a that way town wins
My list right now. I'm going to trust Sevryn's roleclaim because it makes things a hecka lot easier and because his play hasn't been very scummy.
1. Kurumi-- as I said before very spammy and his play in this game just seems more scummy in general. 8. snotboogie -- I have never played with either one of these guys before so I'm going to go with the only lead I have on Kurumi, metagame. 9. Da-Muffinman -- included in above 12. Sevryn 13. sinani206
Since it's 4-1 we have one mislynch, assuming that the only kill during the night is a scumkill.
So there's no reason why voting for Kurumi is a bad idea.
On August 26 2011 13:07 sinani206 wrote: My list right now. I'm going to trust Sevryn's roleclaim because it makes things a hecka lot easier and because his play hasn't been very scummy.
1. Kurumi-- as I said before very spammy and his play in this game just seems more scummy in general. 8. snotboogie -- I have never played with either one of these guys before so I'm going to go with the only lead I have on Kurumi, metagame. 9. Da-Muffinman -- included in above 12. Sevryn 13. sinani206
Since it's 4-1 we have one mislynch, assuming that the only kill during the night is a scumkill.
So there's no reason why voting for Kurumi is a bad idea.
It was sort of a Mexican stand-off, but ultimately, Kurumi couldn't swing enough people to his side. He gets killed by being DDoSed by Sevryn's IP tracker whom he manages to fry to a crisp as well, but not before he manages to cut the wires to sinani206's router, when he could have just as easily paid him off to be part of his side. Da-Muffinman then burns snotboogie's PC with thermite for going over the monthly downloading limit, leaving him the only guy standing in the TL Mafia section. Without the Mods in the way... can R1CH stop this madman from taking over the site like a bunch of uncultured kids brought up by a single mom on crack?
sinani206 the Cursed Townie with a Rival was brutalized by Kurumi Kurumi the Brutal Scum of the Ragequitting Rushers Scum Team was lynched by the town snotboogie the Spying Scum of the Ragequitting Rushers Scum Team was killed Sevryn the Spying Townie was killed
Da-Muffinman, the 3rd in Command Corrupted of the Badmannered Bastards Scum Team WINS
I realize I wasnt the most active player either but thats still no excuse to be lurking that hardcore. I dont have much to say when most of my evidence is a shoddy PM from a townie. Also I probably should have defended Jackal harder once I realized he was town it was getting kinda late though and the activity level had just frustrated me into a tilt mode.
On August 28 2011 01:30 Sevryn wrote: so 8 scum out of 21 players and only 3 blues
So what, you have a nearly 50% chance to hit scum D1 with a little bit of analysis you can start linking players together and it all starts tumbling down.
On August 28 2011 01:29 Sevryn wrote: Wow so how many scum were there for this big of a game? how was this balanced with scum getting traits aswell?
2 Scum teams, each scum team had to wipe out the other team completely; each scum team was essentially 4/21 at the start. And I can't blame town when they lose their protector and their two scanners and potential apprentice by night 2.
Gurgle arrrggggghhhhh. If I ever get lynched again because of a phantom PM that never existed I'm going to kick somebody in the balls. DropBear successfully destroyed town on day 1. Gj man. To bad you weren't scum
On August 28 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote: Gurgle arrrggggghhhhh. If I ever get lynched again because of a phantom PM that never existed I'm going to kick somebody in the balls. DropBear successfully destroyed town on day 1. Gj man. To bad you weren't scum
Yeah sorry about that. I did a deliberate slip to you in the PM convo, when I said "I have a really good feeling about you." I assumed you picked up on it and would be someone who might have had me killed. If only I hadn't sent that pm to nisani -_-
The problem ended up being unrelated. I had a four man scum list and it consisted entirely of Da-Muffinman's team lol. So they shot me.
Also I had a great deal of fun playing this while I was alive. Thanks to ciryandor, would definitely play one of your games again. Hopefully we get more people next time!
why did you jerks kill me :< e: i also checked taa night1, and even got a result, so i was like "fuck yeah", since if i died, why would i get a result? then ten minutes later day post goes up and ... hopes = crushed.
On August 28 2011 05:11 JeeJee wrote: why did you jerks kill me :< e: i also checked taa night1, and even got a result, so i was like "fuck yeah", since if i died, why would i get a result? then ten minutes later day post goes up and ... hopes = crushed.
On August 28 2011 06:05 DroneAllDay wrote: Ok that was way too much scum, period. Town has no chance against that much.
Well, Scum kill Scum, so Town doesn´t have to kill them all. There was a lot of killpower spread around though, personally I think it would have been okay if Scum didn´t also get vigilante powers, but I guess it´s there for the final battle of scum-vs-scum.
It´s a very interesting set-up, even if the GM was trolling us all
I learned a lot, thanks guys. Might have been helpful if I were town in my first game though.
The interesting thing is that the reason I died wasn't a real slip up. Before receiving the role PMs I actually believed mafia didnt have a kill on night 0.
The only winner was Da-Muffinman since he's the only Scum left alive; actually, the only person left alive in the game; I would probably drop scum count to 6/21 in two 3 man teams like my original intent when I do this again; and do a 4 man scum team in a 24+ player game. After day 1 I thought that the Scum teams had this in the bag; and killing the other scum team would happen in the end-game.
-This game had no activity at all. The last few days were a joke. -My team did not kill DropBear. Yes I was scum but Nisani's whole argument was based off of nothing, and he got mislynched cause of it. -8 scum in a 21 person game is ridiculous -My team probably would've won if someone hadn't overridden my kill . I sent in one for Varpulis 2 nights ago and they should have hit MuffinMan after that, taking out the second scumteam. Instead they killed a Townie when they had to kill a scum and got Varpulis too late.
gg but I can't really say anyone at all played a decent game in this one. It was spectacularly fail play on all sides.
I decided to kill dropbear because he was pressuring me lol. Had no idea whatsoever that it would net us 2 mislynches. I dont think it was super imbalanced. There was only 2kp between the 2 teams, and scum killed each other a bunch.
Also w00t my team won. Good job guys, but to be honest if the town had been just a tiny bit less derpy we'd have flat out got facecrushed. I only survived so long with the genius strategy of bussing the crap out of the rest of the team.
Game was fun, can't really complain. It was the players, not the setup, that turned it into an inactive clusterfuck of an endgame.
First win as scum, even if it was a weird game, and it was mostly due to Muffins masterfull lurking. The last night was a slaughter, and keeping his head down was probably what kept him from getting targeted that night.
I don´t think the balance was that far off, perhaps some more killpower among Town, and perhaps only one extra nightkill ability per scumteam, and Veterans among Town. It´s not 8 scum vs 13 Town, it felt more like 4 vs 17, and a few guys you can shift blame to later to, a lot of the game was spent hunting other scum, once the other Team revealed, it was clear that killing enemy scum is superior to killing Town.
I wonder if apprentices could have gotten a bigger role. Like the leader, their teacher could be determined beforehand.
On August 28 2011 19:00 Forumite wrote: First win as scum, even if it was a weird game, and it was mostly due to Muffins masterfull lurking. The last night was a slaughter, and keeping his head down was probably what kept him from getting targeted that night.
I don´t think the balance was that far off, perhaps some more killpower among Town, and perhaps only one extra nightkill ability per scumteam, and Veterans among Town. It´s not 8 scum vs 13 Town, it felt more like 4 vs 17, and a few guys you can shift blame to later to, a lot of the game was spent hunting other scum, once the other Team revealed, it was clear that killing enemy scum is superior to killing Town.
I wonder if apprentices could have gotten a bigger role. Like the leader, their teacher could be determined beforehand.
We never used the Leader role, right?
Yeah, nobody used Leadership abilities. I would actually trim back on the KP on Scum rather than give Town more KP (my original concept as taken straight from the other place I GMed in was to give 1 scum team a shot per night, but on different nights Team 1 on odd nights, Team 2 on even nights), they massacred the scanners early on. In the game that unfolded, Scum had 1KP/day + 1 bonus 1 time KP via getting lynched/shooting someone + potential lynch steering if it got to that point. The Apprentice would have been best off assigned under the Detective immediately, but in a larger game, it might as well as be made an FFA role that the Godfather or either of the 2 town-aligned scanners could get.
On August 28 2011 19:00 Forumite wrote: First win as scum, even if it was a weird game, and it was mostly due to Muffins masterfull lurking. The last night was a slaughter, and keeping his head down was probably what kept him from getting targeted that night.
I don´t think the balance was that far off, perhaps some more killpower among Town, and perhaps only one extra nightkill ability per scumteam, and Veterans among Town. It´s not 8 scum vs 13 Town, it felt more like 4 vs 17, and a few guys you can shift blame to later to, a lot of the game was spent hunting other scum, once the other Team revealed, it was clear that killing enemy scum is superior to killing Town.
I wonder if apprentices could have gotten a bigger role. Like the leader, their teacher could be determined beforehand.
We never used the Leader role, right?
Yeah, nobody used Leadership abilities. I would actually trim back on the KP on Scum rather than give Town more KP (my original concept as taken straight from the other place I GMed in was to give 1 scum team a shot per night, but on different nights Team 1 on odd nights, Team 2 on even nights), they massacred the scanners early on. In the game that unfolded, Scum had 1KP/day + 1 bonus 1 time KP via getting lynched/shooting someone + potential lynch steering if it got to that point. The Apprentice would have been best off assigned under the Detective immediately, but in a larger game, it might as well as be made an FFA role that the Godfather or either of the 2 town-aligned scanners could get.
Because the derps lynched me for a non - existent PM.
Never create scenarios that fit your assumptions. If you have to do that you're wrong. You have facts in front of you. Fact 1 DropBear claimed to Nisani. Fact 2 Nisani told Curu. Day 2 lynch should have been 1 of those 2. Not me. The scenario you used to lynch me was based upon pure imagination. DB's PM made Nisani look like scum. Nisani's PM made Curu look like scum. You had to invent reasons to make me look like scum.
I honestly believed you were the other scumteam because of how vehemently you were attacking Nisani (and cause that team shot DropBear). It was pretty obvious he was an actual DT, which is why it was hilarious that he actually got lynched.
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