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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 14 2011 20:44 GMT
#181
not so, my friend. let me give you an example. The lynch leaders are Ciryandor and GMarshal. If i were to vote Nisani, giving reasons and attempting to convince people to switch, that would be cool. on the other hand, if i were to say "yeah, those guys are pretty scummy, but i'm voting for nisani," and make no effort to actually get nisani lynched, that would not be cool.

I could go and find an example of scum doing it if you'd like, I think i remember somebody in PTP 2.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#182
ebwop: that was in response to this post:
On August 15 2011 05:36 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote:
We need to be careful about lynches in this game. A lot of lynches have ended up tied in the past, and they worked out because of the most votes first mechanic(an example of this is DrH's experimental haunted mafia, day 1 lynch), but could end in disaster in this one. Double lynching by mistake is a good way to lose quickly and painfully.

Also, i'm going to be cracking down on people who are voting for people who are unlikely to get lynched without seriously pushing for such a lynch. It's practically an abstain vote, and abstain votes are scummy as all hell.

So what you're saying is if we don't join your bandwagon we're scum? That's a scum agenda right there.

For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:51 GMT
#183
Ok Varp. I gotcha.
Life can only kill you once.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
August 14 2011 20:52 GMT
#184
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!
Sucker for nostalgia
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 14 2011 20:55 GMT
#185
I support this post, except for claiming in PM to dropbear. I shouldn't need to say this, but don't do that. It's bad.

I don't see the point of cells anyways, all for not using them.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 20:56 GMT
#186
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

You're the Godfather?
Life can only kill you once.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
August 14 2011 21:01 GMT
#187
I also agree with Claiming the above Traits. Claiming Rabid fanboy is a good call too. i didn't think about that. The only problem with that is that the second in command might be a member of the Mafia, and we will have just given them additional power. Im not sure exactly into who's hands that would play out though.

I also agree with your plan on Voting and cells. the last thing we need in this game is multitown kills and dissenting factions within the town.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 14 2011 21:05 GMT
#188
I think we should think about double lynch more. I will pm some people about my idea and after we polish the idea I should present it to You.
(It's basically using double lynch to get rid of a lurker everyday)
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 14 2011 21:06 GMT
#189
Do we have an irc?
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
August 14 2011 21:06 GMT
#190
mafia rabid fanboy would be pretty damn OP later on when lynching mafia today or tomorrow is the difference between a win and a loss.

Still something to consider though. I doubt we have a 3rd in command, due to the game being smaller than intended.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 14 2011 21:08 GMT
#191
On August 15 2011 06:06 Sevryn wrote:
Do we have an irc?

maybe #loonybin?
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Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
August 14 2011 21:10 GMT
#192
sure
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 14 2011 21:11 GMT
#193
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.

"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"
slam500
Profile Joined March 2011
12 Posts
August 14 2011 21:12 GMT
#194
so do we pick our own traits?
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 21:17:47
August 14 2011 21:14 GMT
#195
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote:
so do we pick our own traits?

Traits have been assigned and PMed to players that have them, check your role PM. Yell at me if you didn't get a role PM. Not everyone has to have traits.
Moderator
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 14 2011 21:15 GMT
#196
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote:
so do we pick our own traits?

Sure. Go ahead.


If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?
Life can only kill you once.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
August 14 2011 21:25 GMT
#197
On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.

"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"

If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.
Sucker for nostalgia
Sevryn
Profile Joined September 2010
698 Posts
August 14 2011 21:27 GMT
#198
On August 15 2011 06:25 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:11 Sevryn wrote:
On August 15 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:
I present to you: THE PLAN!!!

[image loading]


CLAIMING

Traits are not alignment based so anyone with the following traits should openly claim immediately:

- Rivals should claim once Day 1 has started. Rivals are much more likely to be townies than Mafia. Mafia already have their rivals: the town. Not only this, it puts into perspective your motivations in getting specific people killed. If you prove yourself useful and don't fuck things up you will be assisted where possible in achieving your goals.

- Short Fuse should claim and never use their power of modkill. If you fail or succeed, deliberately goading people will shit up the thread to no end. Also it makes us seriously consider the lynching of a Short Fuse, the potential of having a VisceraEyes/BC event needs to be known beforehand.

- Rabid Fanboy #1. You are essentially a mayor. Do not use this power without first putting it out in the open. We get a replacement if you die anyway so you are not as important as other roles, no need to hide.

- Thief. The rapidly increasing chances of being instalynched as roles are stolen means that scum theives would be unlikely to risk stealing a role a second time, 1for1 trades are not good for Mafia. Claim outright so we can work out when and if you use your role.

Additionally, all players should claim their roles, traits and alignments to me via PM asap :D

VOTING

Multiple lynches should be avoided on the first few days. We can save them until later when we have more information. Especially with the Night 0 start where people will probably die before we can get a lynch off, we can't just start offing large numbers of people straight away if we mislynch we get fucked much quicker.

CELLS

Are stupid. From what I have read in past games everyone ignores them and chooses to PM whoever they please. I am in favour of communicating with who you want and whoever wants to talk to you, forcing people into an arbitrarily formed cell doesn't make sense when the formation of such groups can easily be biased.

Discuss!

Wouldn't claiming rival be a great way for scum to hide their attempts to get town lynched.

"oh i was just trying to get that townie lynched because i was his rival sorry guiz"

If the rivals claim asap, then this defence is not available. We get rivals, if they exist, to claim now. Then we ignore them until later in the game and decide who we want to win amongst them. Townies are not going to team up with mafia to get their rival killed because they still lose if town loses. They will have to play a town game anyeay and the more they do the more likely we will help them with their individual win condition.

unless the rival is scum....
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
August 14 2011 21:28 GMT
#199
On August 15 2011 06:15 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2011 06:12 slam500 wrote:
so do we pick our own traits?

Sure. Go ahead.


If you didn't receive a trait in your role PM you probably are just vanilla scum. I accidentally deleted my PM. Who's on our team again?


Errrr, ok?!

Also

Night 0 lasts until 5 pm CEST(00:00 am KST)?
But does it djent?
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
August 14 2011 21:29 GMT
#200
The loonybin chat is being logged at http://nisani.x10.mx/loonybin.txt , so if you don't want to use IRC but still want to see what's going on, you can look in there.
Enjoy your day.
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