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On August 14 2011 00:02 Kurumi wrote: i told you that dt should check me night 1 then together with a doc visiting me jackal58 wants me dead and is godfather What are you trying to say here bud? You trying to say VisceraEyes is wrong? Let me tell you, VisceraEyes is FIVE TIMES the man you are and he is obvtown. So just back off girlfriend, don't be playing with hotties out of your league. Now, down to business. Let's raise some discussion since there's no setup speculation or sandroba big plan going on here. If we were to policy lynch Kenpachi, would we get Kenpachi the player or youngminii the Kenpachi role? Thoughts on Kavdagon (Chezinu) being Cult Leader? And finally, Kurumi back off sister you ain't hot enough for VisceraEyes. | ||
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Also consider that many of the players in the game won't know the quirks or supposed alignments of many of the old players, so again the possibility of being sheeped into making uninformed decisions. | ||
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On August 14 2011 02:25 Kurumi wrote: i might be wrong i am not native english speaker sorry i thought about both ways (aka it is linked or not) but i want to see my truth (that is "roles" are connected to alignment) also kitaman, if i must be crazy how i can stop doing it? ;p also, please, pick pokemon for me so i can keep up with the lets play  Pick Bulbasaur cause that's all you are to VisceraEyes, a stupid ugly invisible shrub. | ||
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So if you don't have a set-in-stone restriction to act like your role, stop it. It's extremely anti-Town by turning everyone into borderline trolls and making everyone hard to read. Scum can blend in oh so easily when everyone's trying their best to parody someone. Yeah it's fun but we've had our spat, let's get down to business. | ||
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On August 14 2011 03:18 Jackal58 wrote: I'm town Well you just cleared whoever has the Bill Murray role as likely Town then. No way a Townie gets a win condition to get a specific Mafia lynched. Possibility that Bill Murray a 3rd Party, but doubtful unless it's a Survivor or something. | ||
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In reply to this post: On August 14 2011 03:22 LSB wrote: Coag then? Seems unlikely since Coag doesn't troll the thread all the time I'd like you to take the advice so brilliantly laid out in this post: On August 14 2011 03:04 LSB wrote: Personality fishing is just BS, personalities are not tied to roles and I have no idea why any of you would think that they do. What do you think you can tell me about Syllogism's role or alignment is if you know he is Meapak? | ||
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On August 14 2011 03:30 Kurumi wrote: I did not think about Bill Murray lol stop fishing my damn personality I was happy enough when everyone thought I was BM and put me in the useless box also if You mention "rivalry" in jackal's "PM" it means Jackal is L (he claims to be town aligned) and we have Bill Murray somewhere that would mean that either BM is 3rd Party/Scum or L is Scum/3rd party How does this make any sense? Why would you give a Townie a win condition that is "oh lynch this specific Mafia member" THAT'S THEIR GENERAL WIN CON ANYWAYS. Much more likely that Jackal is a Townie with the win con to see another Townie/harmless 3rd Party lynched or Jackal is 3rd Party in which case there's the possibility Bill Murray is scum but still unlikely. | ||
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3) You are L. The day has just started and you don't even know your role yet, what do you do? j) Lynch Bill Murray Bill Murray was to be hanged. Stammering his protests in short, uncontrolled bursts all the way up to the rope, Bill Murray found no sympathy in the eyes of the few who had turned up to watch his execution. A tightening, crack, and creak later, and Bill Murray hang dead. A few faces looked at L, and he just shrugged. "Tomorrow," he said. Bill Murray the Townie is dead. If we're going to kill Kurumi, it's because he looks like he'll just be trolling for the rest of the game not because you think he's Bill Murray. That comes down to whether or not you want to policy lynch. But rather than policy lynch Kurumi, who's actually active, I'd prefer a lynch all NOT POSTING ANYTHING EVERS (Coagulation isn't in this game, so Kenpachi would be next). | ||
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On August 14 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote: Oh and i checked Jackal. hes red What the fuck is this? You're claiming DT already? Day DT? Explain. | ||
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LSB where'd you go? Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit. | ||
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Then Jackal dies the day after. Easy enough. Either way if Kenpachi is a DT both of them die. Not jumping the gun and shooting Jackal is the best way to go about this because the possibilities: 1) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Town. We don't lose a Townie to the Village Idiot. 2) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Mafia. or 3) Kenpachi is DT and Jackal is Mafia. Mafia has no way of knowing which one is true. They have to decide to gamble and let Kenpachi live assuming he's VI and picked Jackal at random because if they kill him and he does indeed flip DT instead of VI then Jackal's dead for sure. But there's also the chance he's a real DT and leaving him alive lets him get off more and more checks. | ||
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On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote: Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody. Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up. ----- Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray. However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure. So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead? Hi there scum logic. | ||
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On August 14 2011 04:29 Kurumi wrote: So Curu, You have a post restriction of praising how good VisceraEyes is? Also why do You think Kavdragon is a Cult Leader? That's just flavour/fluff he posted (or introduction of some sort) I disagree with policy lynching anybody besides me (I have my reasons), we should lynch the scummiest person. VisceraEyes is the most awesome person on the planet. I suspected pre-game Chezinu would be a Cultist role. Just read through his TL Quiz. | ||
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On August 14 2011 04:32 deconduo wrote: Read the post properly before commenting kthx. People are saying that Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. I said that L is more likely to be scum if personalities reflected alignment, which I believe they do not. Please show me a single person that said Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. | ||
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So Jackal, whose entire goal is to get Kurumi killed, says Kurumi is most likely scum because he's Bill Murray... You want them to stop arguing, but you want to lynch Kurumi (who is probably Town). Why not Jackal? He's the one that has to be pushing this only lynch Kurumi garbage. It's unlikely for a Townie to have a goal that is to get one specific Mafia lynched. | ||
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Let's not make day 1 you two just tunnel fucking each other uselessly. | ||
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On August 14 2011 05:03 Kurumi wrote: I am just pointing out that it makes no sense for anyone to do actions claimed to be done by Jackal. Well, I might as well go afk if You want. His actions make some sort of sense when you take into consideration he has to see you lynched. If you think he is Mafia fine, I just don't want you two shitting up the thread if you both think each other is Town. | ||
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##Vote Flamewheel Let's see what he has to say. | ||
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On August 14 2011 05:12 Kavdragon wrote: No no, it's Walton we need to go after! We must find Walton. I'm offering a reward for who can find Walton. The person to secure his death will receive the Brown Medallion of Awesome! Why would you jump on someone so easily anyways? Very odd. Mostly because I thought Town would stop their stupid incessant trolling. Apparently not. If I had wanted somewhere easy to park my vote Kurumi/Jackal/Kenpachi were much better targets. On August 14 2011 05:13 deconduo wrote: You asked for an example. I gave you an example. You then proceed to complain that I gave you an example. Scum are never happy it seems. Lynching Jackal doesn't stop Kurumi trolling, whereas lynching Kurumi solves both problems. Jackal can then go back to playing properly and we have a mostly troll free thread instead of a shitfest. Finally I never said that Kurumi should be the only one under discussion, I said that Kurumi would be a good lynch candidate that should be considered. If you feel Jackal should be lynched instead then go ahead and make a case. The example you gave me was an utterly useless one coming from an utterly useless source yet somehow you want to use it to back up the thought that the general consensus in thread was that Kurumi Bull Murray was scum. Nope. | ||
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On August 14 2011 05:21 syllogism wrote: You are smarter than this. Did you honestly read that "pm" and believe it was "intercepted" and real? How exactly would it have been intercepted, why would it be signed when the supposed recipient used an alias and even the content is ridiculous. Yes I read that "PM" and decided that neither Town nor scum have any reason to try to fake a PM like that. I didn't take into consideration some people's MO this game is just to troll. | ||
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On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote: I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum. I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. | ||
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On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote: two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about. the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy. Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though. | ||
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All in the first 18 pages. I don't know what's trolling and what's just bad play anymore. | ||
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On August 14 2011 08:13 Pandain wrote: Mah B. I should have said "Kurumi has lost his powers, he is just a normal possible-mafia-possible-townie-but-im-leaning-townie-because-i-dont-think-mafia-would-be-that-utterly-stupid-and-risk-being-gone-from-game I'll remember that next time. So you thought Kurumi was a Townie but decided it was prudent to take away all his role powers? Explain this to me. | ||
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On August 14 2011 08:21 Pandain wrote: I took away the powers he had, including the fact he was BM. Unfortunately he has still decided to spam. As I had previously said, it was an anti spam maneuver, not a anti mafia. I uphold the rules for ALL sides So you neutered someone who you believed to be a Town blue for no other reason than spam. Yeah you're not Town. ##Vote Pandain | ||
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On August 14 2011 08:27 Pandain wrote: If your not going to take a stand sometime, then no one will stop spamming. I threatened to remove a player from the game. That was not the ability, I can only get rid of their powers. But the fact that Kurumi still insisted on spamming indicated to me that he was not a valuable town, or even mafia. He was a village idiot. And, as everyone guessed, Bill murray. Would you not try to stop the spam? And who knew that he would be inventor he sure didn't act like it. Spam is not a reason to take away someone you think is Town's abilities. I want the spam to stop yes, I asked people to stop spamming and posting useless stuff. I would not go and take away someone that I think is Town's role because he is spamming. You didn't even kill him to take him out of the game. Your actions have done nothing but take away a power from someone you think is Town. If you had actually Day Vig'd or something as a policy then it's more understandable but as it is there is no Town fueled motivation for your action. Your actions did NOTHING except get rid of a Town power. And you know that. | ||
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On August 14 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote: Oh so apparently Incognito doesn't tell you. Kurumi has lost his powers, he is just a normal townie now. On August 14 2011 08:13 Pandain wrote: Mah B. I should have said "Kurumi has lost his powers, he is just a normal possible-mafia-possible-townie-but-im-leaning-townie-because-i-dont-think-mafia-would-be-that-utterly-stupid-and-risk-being-gone-from-game I'll remember that next time. Don't backtrack. You thought Kurumi was Town. @Jackal We're saying that Pandain thought Kurumi was Town, not that Kurumi is Town. His actions are ridiculously not Town for someone who thought his target was Town. | ||
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On August 14 2011 08:46 Pandain wrote: Think someone is town = calling someone town. Hmm..... Er yes? If I think you're scum or a VI idiot the natural response is to call you that in thread, not call you Town. Kurumi if you are Town quiet down for a bit and let the grownups talk, thanks. | ||
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Kurumi if you're Town please stop spamming up the thread with useless posts asking to get killed. And lend some valid discussion. Thanks. | ||
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I am deeply sorry if I offended you Kurumi. It was a stupid and ill-advised post by me. So pretty please try to contribute to the discussion meaningfully instead of martyring. Sorry for the triple post Incog. | ||
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That's actually a really good point Meapak. Too bad someone stopped Kurumi from being able to do this. HMMMM. | ||
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Yes my name was green, no alignment or win con stated. | ||
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An announcement so important that it simply cannot wait. My words shall enlighten you. So without further ado: Finally flourishing fate found freedom for fools. Overtly ostracize obvious offenders. Outrageous obscene opponents obey orders. Lie low; listen; live long life I initiate instrumental items in injuring iniquitous inhabitants. Shower shame so somebody shall succumb. Hate horrible hellspawn hiding hither. Now none nag near night. Everyone excellently emphatically endorse. So someone say something sweet. Sigh, so sour. Tonight I shall stalk one of you and learn all your naughty actions. Oh yes, there will be consequences for the wicked tonight. For sinners do not go unpunished in this Town. On August 14 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: Err did anyone notice this in the OP? It says there are 33 players, yet only 32 are listed on the player list. Is this just a mistake or is there a hidden player somewhere o.O NOBODY CARES. | ||
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On August 14 2011 12:28 Foolishness wrote: Don't forget to please vote me for mayor NOBODY CARES. | ||
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WOOO WOOO That tonight's gonna be a good night. But not for the naughty evildoer that I catch. | ||
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I can't explain why I claimed already. It's incredibly stupid and serves no purpose, but suffice to say I had compelling reasons. @Barundar That's the weakest scummy argument I've ever seen. I asked Jackal "what's your alignment" so I could piece together what Kurumi's would likely be. It obviously had a reason. Do you disagree that Town given scum to tunnel makes no sense? What exactly did I flip flop in? @Jackal58 Nevermind, THAT'S the weakest scummy argument I've ever seen. Posting a pic LOL. I'd like to call out deconduo and LSB, who came in early and made a few appear to be contributing posts then dropped off the face of the Earth. Where you at? | ||
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On August 15 2011 03:13 Barundar wrote: Curu I have no idea why you would ask a question there is no logical answer to in a mafia game. Did you honestly expect Jackal to say "I'm mafia" if you asked him nicely? On top of that you throw around comments calling Mig and Visc town without reason. It's suspicious because mig is a good player, and if you are mafia and he town, you will want to befriend him. Kav suggesting going 1 for 1 on day one. Do you have any out of thread reasons for wanting Aidnai lynched? There is a logical pattern. Jackal claiming Town -> how likely do you think that a Townie is given a scum to tunnel? Jackal Town means Kurumi is likely Town. Either way it was designed to get people not to tunnel Kurumi stupidly because Jackal said so. Mig is Town because he was the first to point out how the Townie PM is. Unless you believe scum would gambit and guess wildly on something like this or that scum was given a sample Townie PM, I believe Mig is Town. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that made the obvious LSB = Ace connection. He popped into the thread shortly after people were saying "Ace personality must be scum" to declare that personality does not equal alignment, then goes on to do more personality speculation. | ||
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GTFO with your scummy ass bullshit, VE is the towniest superhero in this Town. VE is so obvtown it hurts me how obvtown he is. V ery very Town is VisceraEyes, I think Aidnai must certainly go bye. S cummy scummy Aidnai is so scummy scum, C asting your vote on VisceraEyes is just so dumb. E verybody should be agreeing VisceraEyes TOWN, R ascals like Aidnai are gonna go DOWN. A ll bask in the glory, our Town Superman, E ven though only I can be VE's #1 fan. Y ell to the world VE HAS ALL MY LOVE, E verybody bask in our angel from above. S o in conclusion LEAVE VISCERAEYES ALONE. | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Please someone summarize why we're voting aidnai in the next 15 minutes. I have to take a shower then I'm going out for a while and won't be back in time for the vote. I think Visceraeyes and bum are the scummiest people right now but maybe that's because I don't understand the case against Aidnai. If I'm not convinced by anyone's arguments when I get back I'm going to post a case against VE. GET OUT VISCERAEYES #1 TOWN, HE IS SO TOWNIE TOWN TOWN HIS NICKNAME IS TINY TOWN TONY. Bum I can agree with though. | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:30 aidnai wrote: No, it's that all of his posts are like this Read his posts and tell me what you think. He's just putting totally surface level thoughts out there with zero follow through. I'm 100% convinced kav has a wincon or a secondary objective that he is pursuing. No he's giving you the glory of his presence back off gurl VisceraEyes #1 Town. | ||
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On August 15 2011 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: This game makes me angry. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=117978 Voting VE for terrible post history, plus I read the last couple of pages and I still don't understand why aidnai is scum. LSB BloodyC0bbler Youngminii Barundar Misder Visceraeyes Chezinu Bumatlarge ~opz~ Node Fishball DrH RoL Most if not all of the scum team is in this bunch of players. They're either there because I have active red reads on them or because they're so inactive I have no read on them. VE today then bum, YM, or LSB tomorrow. Could Pandain, Flamewheel, Mr. Wiggles, Kitaman, syllogism, and scamp please post opinions on the recent goings on? I'm still trying to make up my mind on you guys and some more content would be helpful. If there are scum outside of the earlier list they're in this one. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g9xl5.jpg) Just roll with me town, I kill scum. Sorry, I don't read posts accusing obvious Town (VE). | ||
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On August 15 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I can agree with that, but also, this succession of three posts looks really weird to me as well: So, VE thinks that Kav is an "obviously anti-town" player, and "certainly not town", enough that he wants to lynch him dead. He still thinks he's scum, and he's chastising Node for not thinking the same. Note how strong his conviction seems to be about how Kav is anti-town. Then, a few people (including Kav himself) make a couple of posts defending Kav by attacking you. They all say the same thing basically, that you reacted strongly and quickly to Kav's trap. And then: So, he goes from thinking Kav is complete anti-town, enough that he wants him lynched, to voting for you. He goes from believing a player is scummy from an entire day's worth of information and behaviour, to voting for you because of a couple posts, within the span of 40 minutes. This kind of flip flopping seems really weird to me, and pretty scummy. It just looks like he wants to hop onto the bandwagon that will make him look more like town at the time. =/ Drop it bro, VisceraEyes is Town beyond Town. He's from the Land Before Town, you know like that movie the Land Before Time with dinosaurs and stuff that people love so much, that's VisceraEyes, the loveable dinosaur. Today's unlynchable Pro Town list: 1. VisceraEyes | ||
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Hi guys. Vote Aidnai! | ||
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[qupte]I personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason. [/quote] Joke, Aidnai is scum. At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who: -Made constant, shallow observations about the game VE is not shallow, he has been with his life partner for 30 long years through thick and thin despite the five million smoking hot babes that throw themselves at him daily begging for his attention. -Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until -The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav Because Aidnai is obviously scum, VE did the smart thing and led the charge against Aidnai. This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time. NOBODY CARES Destroyed, get your vote off VE, next. | ||
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On August 15 2011 08:50 Kavdragon wrote: VE is not going to be lynched in the last few hours. It's just not going to happen. I agree he looks scummy, but one thing at a time. Voting him now is hurting the town. Stop it, I've already explained why you should be voting for Aidnai. VE is not scummy, he is the most Town player in this thread. Please everyone for the sake of my sanity I beg you to stop trying to paint Town hero VE as scum at least for today, lay off him, focus your attention elsewhere. | ||
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On August 15 2011 09:25 bumatlarge wrote: Aidnai should die, and i think if he pops scum, Kav should be next. This post screams scum so hard. Super late on the wagon (bus) and already trying to suggest another lynch target after flip (and with no reason). | ||
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Anyone still think the Aidnai wagon is happening way too easily? | ||
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On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote: All right, here's my read on things. - I don't think Kav is scum. He's right that he's contributed more in his "letters" than they immediately let on. Also, I'm just plain curious about Wilson. Bad reason, I know, but I can't resist a good mystery. - I'm not sure about aidnai being scum. - I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes. It's already been stated that he's been flip-floppy and non-commital, giving the Kav-train the little push it might take to eventually bring it to a lynch. And beyond that, Curu's wacky post-restriction-y defense of him is very odd. Just for a demonstration: Hey Curu! I think VisceraEyes is scum! - I would like to hear what flamewheel is thinking right now. Dude's way too quiet. So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today. I'll tell you now what Flamewheel is thinking: VisceraEyes is The Great Unlynchable super Town so get your stupid vote off him. VE only appears non-committal to you because the logic that he uses is so advanced you could not possibly understand it. | ||
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On August 15 2011 10:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think VE is a good target if we could get the votes to lynch him. I'm pretty sure Kav is town. I'm not sure that aidnai is scum. Between aidnai and VE, I'd rather lynch VE, because he seems much scummier out of the two. Also, I see that subliminal message, it's not so hidden. I hate you. He is Town. VisceraEyes for President of TL Town. | ||
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On August 15 2011 10:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: VE scummy bugger VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN Stop spamming the thread Wiggles. We know your opinion and no one cares cause VE is Town. | ||
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On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote: if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal! Why don't you stop trolling then if you fear so much for Town. It's not even an original troll. | ||
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On August 15 2011 14:52 Foolishness wrote: He's made ~3 posts so far and he's trolling? How ironic coming from you I highly doubt it's a legit post restriction considering Fishball hasn't mentioned a word of that stuff in his one or two posts that he had before replacing. There's a method to my madness and I assure you trolling is not my MO (besides the two pics, couldn't resist). | ||
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On August 15 2011 14:58 redFF wrote: ..... how am i trolling, im fairly sure ive contributed more than you and ive been in the game for like 3 hours Then drop the Mayor crap unless it's actually relevant to something. Day 1's already a mess with people posting under restrictions they probably don't actually have. | ||
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On August 15 2011 14:54 Curu wrote: I highly doubt it's a legit post restriction considering Fishball hasn't mentioned a word of that stuff in his one or two posts that he had before replacing. There's a method to my madness and I assure you trolling is not my MO (besides the two pics, couldn't resist). BTW I was wrong here actually. redFF replaced for DrH. So it's not certain if the Mayor thing is real or not, cause DrH has exactly 0 posts. | ||
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This guy's got Useless Posting 101 going on over here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=31777 BAM Not a single word about anything relevant going on in the game. Not a single opinion stated. TERRIBLE ADVICE: On August 15 2011 17:43 bumatlarge wrote: I'd advise against town using KP tonight so we can properly assess what we are up against. wtf is this, anti Town much? If a Vig uses a shot they're clearing out people who are scummy and/or useless lurkers. There is almost no instance, barring a SUPER HERP DERP Vig, that a Vig shot does not help Town in some way. Next up: Ace. On August 14 2011 03:04 LSB wrote: All you guys are idiots, rather than trying to play the game you guys are just acting out your roles. Personality fishing is just BS, personalities are not tied to roles and I have no idea why any of you would think that they do. What do you think you can tell me about Syllogism's role or alignment is if you know he is Meapak? I totally agree bro. Buuuuut: On August 14 2011 03:22 LSB wrote: Coag then? Seems unlikely since Coag doesn't troll the thread all the time LSB doesn't agree with LSB. On August 14 2011 04:51 LSB wrote: What this means is that rather than just sucking and basing lynches off of just one action, we actually need to hunt mafia. Where's your scumhunting bro? All you offered up was "Kitaman is scummy cause he doesn't post anything of worth." LSB's got some useless contradictory posting going on here too. Mostly "we have to stop doing this" while doing it himself, and "we have to start doing so" without actually doing it himself. His posts also feel carefully timed to appear active while not posting any meaningful content. | ||
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On August 15 2011 20:51 deconduo wrote: So kav lied or was wrong, but I'm willing to give him somewhat of a pass due to the 'EVIL' twin part. Still, should keep a very close eye on him. LSB is super scummy, definitely someone to consider lynching tomorrow. His posting has been all over the place, contradictory at times as Curu said, as well as being hypocritical. We also need to do something about those lurkers. If we have vigs with a lot of bullets, theres a large crowd of targets for you. Avoid shooting the ones likely to be replaced or modkilled though. We do need to start weeding out their numbers though. As for lurker shooting, some of the lurkers appear to have woken up a bit now that the shitfest of Day 1 is over. BC, for instance. RoL as well hopefully, he was completely inactive Day 1 in AA but came back Day 2. What I find very odd is that Flamewheel, super active super poster, did not post nor vote yesterday. But at no point was he on the "in danger of being modkilled" list, despite not voting at all. Possible that he has a role that restricts his posting/voting entirely? Or someone was able to silence him or something. Yesterday's final vote tally: + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2011 11:49 Incognito wrote: Vote Count. # voting players/2 votes required for lynch. jackal58 (1) Kenpachi Kurumi (1) Fishball Aidnai (19) Kavdragon tnkted sandroba syllogism deconduo Curu VisceraEyes Kurumi Mig Barundar Chezinu Palmar bumatlarge Scamp RebirthOfLeGenD jackal58 Node Kavdragon (3) Aidnai kitaman27 Pandain kitaman27 (1) LSB Fishball (1) BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (3) Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles Mig (1) Foolishness Youngminii, Misder, and ~OpZ~ have not voted and are in danger of being modkilled. Voting is closed. If there are any errors here, please let me know. Note the distinct lack of Flamewheel from both the voting and modkill groups. Can you disclose if this was a mod error? Now that Day 1 is over and everyone's had their fun, please try to post in the most coherent and effective manner that you can considering any existing post restrictions. I am fairly certain most are not that debilitating, though I may be wrong. Roleplay is fun, but as someone pointed out to me in DrH's Mini, we're still playing Mafia not Dungeons & Dragons. For the love of FlaSh please don't make up a fake restriction. | ||
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On August 16 2011 01:47 youngminii wrote: also VE is scum Way to try to shit up the thread more. Wouldn't mind a YM shot. On August 16 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote: lmao Okay, aidnai taon...booseph. And it's too early to really call people out for 'not contributing' because it's now night 1 and day 1 has just ended...and from my experience, most of the experienced dudes on this site wait until like day 2 or 3 to say anything of value. Because of this generalization, I'm not really suspicious of the vets who have been mostly silent. So who DO I find suspicious? I have to say that the fact Kav's deep insistence that Aid was scum and subsequent town flip from aidnai IS troubling...mainly because Aidnai and Kavdragon were BOTH Chezinu from every indication...and Aidnai flipped town. And as it was pointed out earlier, the fact that one of them was 'evil' suggests that the other was of an opposing faction. What I'm having trouble with is the fact that the remaining Chezinu has 'regained his sanity'...I don't know what this indicates. Does it mean that the other Chez WAS scum and is now town? Does it indicate that only his post restriction was lifted? Does it indicate that he was actually receiving PMs whispering of Aid's guilt and now those have stopped? I couldn't begin to guess...but I'd have to say that at this point, I'm most suspicious of Kavdragon. What a delightful wall of text saying absolutely nothing new. Got any other scumreads? | ||
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First off, the timing of their three concurrent extremely soft pushes on me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145¤tpage=23 All for different, stupid reasons. None willing to throw the vote and start the pressure, but each testing the waters to see if a wagon on me will pick up. I will start out by saying that Fishball's soft push timing right after my claim, and the fact that he immediately saw what I was claiming, struck me as extremely suspicious. Notice that his post does not ask me for a reason why I claimed or anything, it merely said this: So we have our first "actual" role claim; Though I'm more interested in your alignment than who you are. Trying to paint me as scum for claiming. He ignored every other claim earlier in the thread. But he centers on my claim. Hmm. Almost as if he was lying in wait waiting for me to give him a reason to attack me. I personally decided to throw out my claim and lo and behold, the fish bites. Take a look at the PMs contained in the following spoiler. Note that you will have to read it from bottom up, cause that's how TL PM quoting works: + Show Spoiler + Sandro Maculan: From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: personality mafia Date: 8/16/11 03:00 Meh, not my fault. lol. Original Message From sandroba: I would think so, and I have a theory why that is. That was a pretty scummy way to use that role if I'm guessing right. From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: personality mafia Date: 8/16/11 02:55 Yes, it has something to do with our role which I cannot disclose yet. :/ Original Message From sandroba: I do agree with you. I was kind of suspicious o fishball though. Can you see any reason for him to reveal curu's claim and soft attack him? Hide nested quote - Original Message From ghrur: Alright. Mig, I'm unsure of right now. His posts doesn't have the flavor that his scum meta gives off, but he also hasn't been extremely helpful. Maybe it's the nature of the game. Curu seems like normal. I think he's town. He pressures people, he's being logical, he doesn't hesitate. I like that. Kav, I don't think he's scum. I've already stated why in thread. Original Message From sandroba: Sure. Original Message From ghrur: If I answer will you answer? Original Message From sandroba: Actually I would like you to answer that. What are your thoughts on these people? Original Message From ghrur: I'm subbing for Fishball. Yeah, bum's been pretty generic and seeming like his scum from Experimental Mini. Any thoughts on Mig? or Curu? How about Kav? Original Message From sandroba: Who are you subbing for btw? I'm pretty suspicious of bum. I have other suspicions but I prefer not to disclose them right now. Original Message From ghrur: Hey, cool. What're your thoughts on scum? Like, whom do you find scummy? Original Message From sandroba: Sup. You can PM me back, I can pm everyone. If you get any info tomorrow you can pm me the info and I will post it in thread without outing w/e role you have. If you are medic protect me tonight (please my role is imba), if you are scum fuck you. sandroba sent me this gem. Inherent guilt in ghrur; he knows something his predecessor did was scummy. sandroba pushed a teeny tiny bit with a theory and ghrur crumbled and admitted to his predecessor's scumminess. Whatever theory sanroba has, I'm sure it was confirmed by ghrur acknowledging that something was scummy as soon as sandroba mentioned a theory at all without having to elaborate on it or explain the theory. No confusion from ghrur, no "what theory is that?" just inherent self admitted guilt. I will not credit nor discredit sandroba's theory (or otherwise comment on it), I will leave him to explain it. This possibility has been playing itself out in my head ever since I first saw Fishball's post. But now I have full confirmation that my suspicions are indeed correct. I claimed in the way that I did to draw out reactions and see who would pick up on it first. Suffice to say I came up with my own very legitimate reasons to claim and I personally deemed it the best course of action for myself. It may just have netted a scum or three as well though. | ||
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Strong opinions from Fishball/Barundar at that point in time, but nothing when the Aidnai wagon was happening. I really wish we had flipped Pandain. | ||
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On August 16 2011 16:17 Mig wrote: YM lol why are you always like 3 steps behind the rest of the thread. Bum can you say if the nuke is real? Regardless of whether it is real you look extremely scummy to me. I'm thinking bum knows he has no way out so he's just trying to make sure we get nothing useful out of his lynch. | ||
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I see nothing wrong with Palmar's reaction deconduo. I'm green and I have an ability. The person who is blue has a worse ability than mine. I don't know why there is a distinction between blue and green but I'm pretty sure blue doesn't mean power role. | ||
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On August 16 2011 23:14 Pandain wrote: I, Qatol, am proud to announce, that I am reinstating.... THE BANLIST Yes indeed I am in possesion of probably the most badass role in this game. Not only do I get to strip people of their powers, but I can do it once per day . But how shall we use this? As we learned from the Horrible Tradgedy of Kurumi, banning people must be done with severe consideration. ![[image loading]](http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/187761_243401183436_7876335_q.jpg) My name Elle, I like eat I personally feel that we should ban Redff, he has done almost nothing but spam this game. He is hiding behind his personality(which I have feared scum would do this game) so that he can do no real contribution. Unless he starts to kick it up a notch, I will probably ban him. I disagree. If your ban does nothing other than strip powers, I'd much rather you direct it at bumatlarge or Scamp. If you can somehow silence or kill the person, then go ahead since I'm almost certain redFF's Mayor stuff is fake and he continues it against the health of the thread. | ||
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On August 17 2011 00:36 LSB wrote: Did you check him? Or are you just randomly voting someone? Why do you ignore everything relevant in the thread and ask him the question everyone has been asking (and he has not answered) since the start of Day 1? | ||
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On August 17 2011 00:58 LSB wrote: This is the most important piece of information. I don't get why I need to talk about spam. And I'd rather lynch Kita than YM I'd rather lynch you, but Bum has priority. | ||
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On August 17 2011 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay guys, I've been growing exceedingly suspicious of Curu. He's familiar with my town play, and I have NOT been playing my typical town game this game. Yet he's been defending me HARD all game long. Anytime someone throws ANY suspicion on me, he defends me. It feels to me like someone who's sure of my alignment, and wants me to trust them (for whatever reason.) Obviously, it could be a part of his role (the vehemency of his defense of me stinks of post restriction,) but why me? I have no history with anyone the hosts would have chosen as personalities in this game. My guess? Because as town, I have a tendency to trust anyone who trusts me. He hasn't done so much as cast suspicion on ANYONE until recently, and even now it's someone who others suspect. I think he might be a good lynch for today guys. ##Vote: Curu It's okay. I'm pretty sure you're Mafia. Mafia votes don't phase me. You're totally yesterday's news. | ||
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On August 17 2011 01:57 redFF wrote: HOLY FUCK DUDE. HAVE YOU EVEN TAKEN ONE FUCKING LOOK AT THE MAFIA QUIZ THREAD OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO CONTINUE BEING A RETARD. Ignorance is not acceptable. I want everyone to go look at the mafia quiz thread and try and figure out why people are posting weirdly. I had foolishness as 0cz3c before he died fairly easily, and random people were still trying to figure out his role. use some common sense ffs. lol yes a watcher claim in a game where everyone has powers is sure to draw a scum hit herp derp. hw about instead of that you decided to actually scumhunt and draw a hit by finding mafia. I know you can do it because i have seen you do it. How about you actually read posts? I'm sorry you've been so busy with your BOLD THAT SHIT uselessness that you skimmed right over every post I made the past night. Check the fact that the scummiest people in the game have been trying to vote you Mayor. That's how much Mafia is afraid of you right now (hint not at all). You're a walking distraction, just like Kurumi was. | ||
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On August 17 2011 02:03 redFF wrote: from all this to this talk about hiding behind a posting restriction.... curu what gives. Vote me for mayor and i will use my votes as town sees fit! I'll let someone else who can see the blaringly obvious explain it to you. bumatlarge is for sure Mafia, and VE very likely Mafia. I will explain this when I come home. | ||
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Oh and M y hero for all ages, the wondrous Mig, I love that your name is so short and not big. G o Mig and lead the Town to victory? | ||
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On August 17 2011 03:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I wonder if anyone else figured out your post restriction yet. Its pretty luls. I know you have. This is partially all your fault, except it's even worse this time. | ||
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Namely: Scamp - scum read LSB - scum read Flamewheel - afk4lyfe Youngminii - leaning scum OpZ - afk4lyfe Kenpachi - scum read Node - null read syllogism - scum read RoL - null read Those are my personal opinions on the lurker list. Feel free to discuss. | ||
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On August 17 2011 04:50 Mig wrote: I am no rocket scientist but Bum claiming he nuked kav because of a posting restriction seems like complete bs. Can anyone think up a logical posting restriction that would force him to kill kav? He didn't fire day1, it wasn't because kav has claimed his personality (plenty of other people have done that). Bum now that you have been banned can you say specifically why you shot kav. You're right, you're not a rocket scientist, you are SUPERMAN leading our Town to victory. I sort of agree with BC on ghrur, but not as strongly as in the night. bum is 100% Mafia. | ||
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bumatlarge was on everyone's scum list, so he's obviously just going out with a bang. He figured he'd take a Townie out with him. Duh. | ||
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On August 17 2011 05:57 Pandain wrote: Stop with your spam. You really like Foolishness right? Listen to him here: On August 16 2011 05:21 Foolishness wrote: The grand list: % chance of Mafia: 17. bumatlarge - 92% Note: all percentages are exact Blame the people that attack Mig for the spam, when he is obviously freakin' Town. | ||
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I don't know what else anyone needs to see bum as scum. He's gotten himself firmly placed on everyone's scum list. He's had terrible useless posts. He shot someone most people agreed was Town who likely than not had a sane DT role. | ||
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On August 17 2011 06:06 Pandain wrote: What is this? Was I supposed to let Bum nuke me? Was I supposed to just let Kurumi spam away the thread(I didn't know kurumi was a spammer anyway :/). Curu stop with your "hehe im clever posts." Yes we get it your active, witty, and somewhat adorable. That's not what we need right now. Right now we need a good town atmosphere. And you guys are not helping at all. Are you really not getting it here? You want me to stop spamming, get people to get off Mig. He's Town as hell, and I can't tolerate anyone saying otherwise. I have OCMTD. Obsessive Compulsive Mig's Town Disorder. | ||
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On August 17 2011 08:40 Jackal58 wrote: If Aidnai had flipped scum I could have confirmed 2 personalities as town. Was not to be. Curu - How do you pick the players you are defending? Mig has a short name I like him. I don't think I need to explain why scumatlarge is scum. It should be hit-you-in-the-face obvious. Go read VE's posts and notice how he doesn't comment on a single relevant thing this game. Made a few posts like he was convinced Kavdragon was Mafia, then switched to Aidnai instantly rather than argue at all. Doubt he cared which one was lynched, as they were both townies. Now two nonsensical wagons out of nowhere when scumatlarge is on the block. | ||
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On August 17 2011 12:54 Pandain wrote: but screw this game if spamming holds more sway over people than logic I share your sentiment. But don't worry, most of those not voting bum are scum. | ||
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On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now. So you somehow know the results of every lynch (today and yesterday), while contributing nothing to suggest a better target or anything? Can we lynch RoL instead? | ||
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On August 18 2011 03:59 Scamp wrote: I think the reason RoL prefers a no-lynch is because he thinks both lynches are terrible for town. I don't think it's anti-town to think this way. It's not useful to complain and do nothing with it, but mafia would just jump on either lynch and then go with that. I agree that the Bumatlarge lynch is bad and the only positive is that Palmar will give himself up if he flips town, which I believe he will. I am very confident that Youngminii is scum based on his actions over the past few pages. I said I'd vote Pandain if he didn't ban me. He didn't ban me. I will switch over to the LSB wagon if that gains any steam, though. It's scummy as fuck when you offer no alternative. | ||
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Just to iterate how hypocritical his vote is, he's voting Pandain for banning two "Townies" (lol bum is now a Townie what a joke). And yet he NUKED a Townie. Nope. | ||
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Oh and Mig is Town 100%, whoever said they were making a case against him screw off etc. | ||
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On August 18 2011 06:23 Palmar wrote: @Mig That's surprisingly bad logic from you Mig, Bum is completely useless, so you don't want to lynch him and want to lynch other completely useless people? Something is off about you this game. And yes, the Bum lynch is the way to go, this LSB train is just... derp. u just can't understand mig's logiczzzzzzzz | ||
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On August 18 2011 06:33 Scamp wrote: Youngminii overestimates my calibur. Well that's a nice little theory, but it's be nice if he would say so if it's true instead of just flat-out ignoring me. I'm kind of curious as to why more people haven't requested it, actually. It's clearly not a death sentence. What the hell kind of purpose does begging for a ban serve? | ||
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Town stop being stupid and drop your roleplaying/post restriction bullshit beyond what you are actually forced to do. I propose we start lynching people being purposely unhelpful. LSB, BC, Node, Scamp at the forefront. | ||
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BC, Node, Scamp must all die. Anyone that's a Vig, fire away. Any alive, tomorrow's lynch. | ||
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On August 18 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: Hey if, hypothetically, we were to have a list checker, and I'm not crazy about lynching bum, would it make sense for me to vote pandain so that the list checker can have a better list of people to check, depending on bum's flip? Or should I vote bum to make it easier? tnkted is scum. | ||
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On August 17 2011 21:48 Jackal58 wrote: My vote was on Pandain before you voted Pandain and then moved it to Bum. I didn't jump on anything. I think both are gong to end up being town. I think I'd rather see one of the 7 lurkers get lynched. oh lawd Jackal is so scum | ||
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redFF Posts nothing but dumb shit all game. Tries to appear to contribute at the start with some useless shit (why you claim why???? omg Curu!!!) while ignoring every other claim too. Pulls some dumb shit campaign to try to get a "lyncher" lynched. lol. More useless crap asking Kavdragon stuff. Some more stupid shit. Two stupid attempts to take the wagon off bumatlarge before a stupid bus attempt at the end. Now defending BC lol. In the offchance you're Town I must politely ask you to stop posting and just sheep my vote. tnkted:[/green] I actually get a slight Town feel from his posts. So if you are Town, please don't ignore all logic like you did last day when you voted Pandain. Scamp lol useless. BC Useless. Trying to promote the retarded spam shit Town atmosphere. Node Useless. On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote: Kav might be one of the few trying to put us on a worthwhile track. I don't think he's necessarily town, but I'm willing to wait and see in this case. Trying to set up the Kav mislynch after the Aidnai one. Dat scumslip about VE's personality. No input at all day 2. syllogism Town syllo isn't this useless. That bum vote had bus all over it. | ||
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On August 18 2011 17:04 Barundar wrote: @Palmar You're completely sure of Visc? All his posts screams wishy washy to me, but considering the Bum lynch I'd take your word for it. As I see it, LSB is a lot less likely to be scum after Bum flipping, I can't imagine mafia not trying to save Bum. Of the people on the LSB wagon, Jackal58 stands out the most to me. He tunneled Kurumi incessantly day 1, and when people got annoyed enough at him, he made sure to point out it was a post restriction through quoting his PM. I can only see a scum needing to do that. On day 2 he stayed between Pandain and LSB, and was quick to point out Bum voting for himself. That's the crap part. I don't think redFF and Jackal could both be scum but they both look super scummy. | ||
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On August 14 2011 23:43 Scamp wrote: ##Kill: Pandain Now let's start playing this game. So you think Pandain is scum. On August 15 2011 09:44 Scamp wrote: If it's not obvious already Pandain and Mig are high priority targets for our medics. Also, I dunno if this is important or not but... Vote: Foolishness for mayor. But wait he's not scum, you want Medics to protect him. Why? Oh cause your Mafia team's strategy was to hit all the old Vet Town players. On August 18 2011 03:59 Scamp wrote: I said I'd vote Pandain if he didn't ban me. He didn't ban me. I will switch over to the LSB wagon if that gains any steam, though. And now back to Pandain again; from scum to Town to scum. Ha. I like how you tried to suggest a youngmini/Pandain/LSB wagon rather than bum. You've had 2 days and you've proven yourself scum already. | ||
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You didn't give a single word of analysis about what his reaction told us. You don't even know what his reaction told us because you don't give a shit. Pandain ignores you because you're scum. You asked for Medics on him, then you go and try to get him lynched when your scum pal bum was up for hanging. In honour of the late great Foolishness. The grand list: % chance of Mafia: 1. LSB - 5% 2. BloodyC0bbler - 90% 3. Pandain - 2% 4. Youngminii - 15% 5. Kavdragon - 0% 6. Meapak_Ziphh - 0% 7. Flamewheel - 70% 8. Mig - 1% 9. Kurumi - 0% 10. Deconduo - 10% 11. Barundar - 15% 12. Palmar - 10% 13. Misder - modkill 14. Mr. Wiggles - 5% 15. VisceraEyes - 10% 16. Chezinu - 0% 17. bumatlarge - 100% 18. Tnkted - 49.99% 19. ~OpZ~ - modkill 20. Kenpachi - 20% 21. Kitaman27 - 47% 22. Sandroba - 0% 23. Node - 89% 24. ghrur - 60% 25. jackal58 - 62% 26. syllogism - 100% 27. Curu - 0% 28. RedFF - 69% 29. Foolishness - 0% 30. Aidnai - 0% 31. RebirthOfLeGenD - 69% 32. Scamp - 100% Note: all percentages are exact | ||
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On August 18 2011 20:50 Scamp wrote: Palmar, Curu claimed that for me as some sort of theory. I'm not claiming it. Pandain's reaction to being "killed" was to reveal a link to Mig. This struck me as something no scum would do unless Pandain is scum and Mig a townie. That scenario was unlikely in my opinion. However, Pandain continues to use his ban power in terrible ways. Not to mention he hasn't really done much else. So I want to see what the power does and I offered myself up for the consideration. I voted for Pandain because I said I would if he didn't ban me and he flat out ignored me. You say he ignored me because he thinks I'm scum. Well besides you putting words in his mouth if he thinks that he can say as much. As for contributing absolutely nothing, you confuse "contributing" with "posting a lot". If I had truly contributed nothing, you wouldn't have a case like that would you? I was wrong about Bum and as such I need to take a step back and refocus. However your insistence that I'm 100 percent scum is disturbing. I'm not confusing anything. You haven't said a single relevant thing this game. How was he "still" using it terribly? bum was obvious scum and bum said himself he was nuking Pandain. Instead of contributing on why you think bum is not scum or why you think Pandain is scum or why you think LSB is scum, you park your vote on Pandain uselessly on Pandain because "lol he isn't listening to me." You just said again you don't think Pandain is scum. Yet you wanted to vote him for the shittiest reason I have ever seen, right when it was a counterwagon against scumatlarge. Why didn't you give your analysis on Pandain earlier? Mig asked you a couple times what Pandain's reaction showed you, you ignored it. Continued to be useless. The wagons attempted to be started to divert scumatlarge's were LSB and Pandain. Somehow they're still your "top" scumreads but you can't give any reasons besides "Pandain is ignoring me" lol. Still useless. Give me your opinion on BC, syllo, Node, redFF. I couldn't care less what you think about two likely Townies. On August 18 2011 21:13 Jackal58 wrote: I actually agree with some of them Curu but damn this is funny shit. + Show Spoiler + On August 18 2011 12:45 Curu wrote: Syllo needs to die too. He's 100% scum. On August 18 2011 12:43 Curu wrote: Actually we are fixing this atmosphere. All the people refusing to contribute go. BC, Node, Scamp must all die. Anyone that's a Vig, fire away. Any alive, tomorrow's lynch. I'm town dude. Forgive me for thinking scum wouldn't have a day vig that outs himself. Well I don't think both you and redFF can be scum together and thus far I'm more convinced redFF is scum. Look at the list, he is 7% higher. Also if I'm not Town then you might as well just roll over and give up cause I'm one of the only few that actually cares enough about this game to push my reads and contribute. Read Day 2 again and find someone more determined than me to get bum lynched. | ||
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I'm starting you agree with you more, redFF is the much more likely scum out of that scummy couple. | ||
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You're either really bad at playing a Town, or really bad at playing as Mafia. | ||
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Original Message From Incognito: Palmar has visited Mig. Hi there. | ||
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I've claimed my ability since day 1. Get out of here, scum. BC even told you all what my ability was day 2. Yeah you control the smurf. You also do the Mafia hits. | ||
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I purposely told him my Watcher ability didn't give me the names of visitors. Then I Watched Mig and saw Palmar hit him. sandroba is the only one with reason to suspect that me Watching Mig wouldn't have led me to his killer. | ||
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-I'm a Watcher/Tracker that only gets numbers (not names) from my Watcher ability -I am bulletproof but only for night 1 I also made it painfully obvious (BC helped along) that I had BC's PTP power. Any Mafia team should have known I Track and Watch my target. I had forgotten about the first part, I expected to catch sandroba if I had gotten shot tonight (but I didn't). Then sandroba came along and kindly informed me that he was the only person in the thread that should have thought my Watcher role didn't give names. Then Mig got shot. Coincidence? Nah. Palmar and scumdroba must hang. | ||
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On August 19 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote: non-points? Well of course I'm attacking you. You're doing a 1 for 1 trade to kill me, it makes no sense. At least I'm trying to scumhunt. Your idea of scumhunting was shouting something about fixing atmosphere and then proceeding to quote a few random players and call them scum. Like, nothing you've done is pro-town in this game. From being obnoxious with your restriction until you realized people hated you for it, to spamming away any argument that didn't suit you. The only thing that doesn't make sense is why your team let you bus bumatlarge. tl;dr: Scum | ||
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I'll convince you on scumdroba after Palmar hangs, youngminii. You'll be more inclined to believe me then anyways after Palmar's red flip. | ||
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Pandain, if you are here, please ban sandroba. | ||
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Keep reaching, scumboy. | ||
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I found your scumtell Palmar - visiting dead people in the middle of the night. For shame. Enjoy your lynch today. Once you flip red your buddy scumdroba will get the noose tomorrow. Sorry to disappoint. | ||
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On August 19 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote: you learn from the best. I had exactly the same scum-role as you in PTP2, and I tried exactly the same gambit, lol  Haha, nice scumslip. Your gambit was bussing your scum teammates, ergo you think I'm bussing my scum teammate? Either way you just confirmed yourself as scum. And no, my ability is BC's in PTP. I ain't got shit to do with you, scum. | ||
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Not responding to Palmar anymore. Anyone else besides scumdroba that wants anything, I'll be here. | ||
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On August 19 2011 22:17 tnkted wrote: Am I really getting simultaneously accused of keeping a too accurate personality list and a too inaccurate personality list?! Pick one guys, you can't have both. Personalities Jackal: L Kurumi: BM Pandain: Qatol Kavdragon: Chezinu Sandaroba: Ver kenpachi: RoL Foolishness: Bumatlarge Curu: BC LSB: Ace VisceraEyes: Coagulation bumatlarge: Incognito youngmini: Kenpachi deconduo: jimbosilvers tnkted: SHOWTIME! Palmar: Flamewheel I'm hopping on the Palmar wagon. I'm not BC, I'm still Foolishness. Foolish wrote BC's role for PTP. Also thanks for boarding the Scumhunt Express, we will be departing Palmar station in approximately 36 hours. Next stop: Sandroba station. | ||
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I'm going to have to rethink sandroba though, scumdroba wouldn't be this stupid. | ||
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Here's the thing that bothers me: sandroba would have been a beast to lynch tomorrow regardless. The general mindset is that he is Town. He knows my guilty result on Palmar is legit since I claimed to him a long long time ago. I don't think scumdroba is stupid enough to give himself away and do this just to try to save Palmar. A reread of the thread must be done with Palmar scum in mind. | ||
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I'm leaning more and more towards sandroba thinking this was a gambit to get him lynched after Palmar. If he knew for sure Palmar was red and that he himself was red, there's no way he would have been stupid enough to try to vote me. | ||
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tnkted why so flippy floppy? | ||
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tnkted why did you follow me so readily into the sandroba case then back off immediately too? | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Keep in mind the one he's claiming can confirm his claim is someone who's neck was being measured for a noose last night. And we're basing today's lynch wholly on one of the NKs...totally ignoring the fact that only 2 people were killed last night instead of 3. wat? sandroba is only being measured for the noose based on WHAT I AM TELLING YOU GUYS. So you think I am scum and I'm preparing to bus sandroba and that Palmar is town and that...wat?? | ||
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I didn't think sandroba would be derp enough to try to save Palmar but (no offense) you aren't sandroba. | ||
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On August 20 2011 03:43 Palmar wrote: yo curu, you're still my nemesis. Just a random question, do you actually think that your spamming and shutting down everyone is helpful for town? I was pretty happy about you creating a pro-mafia atmosphere and then ranting about creating a pro-town one. Also, yo mr. traitor, you should claim openly in the thread so my scumbuddies don't shoot you tonight. Nope, but it's better than the useless inactivity and refusal to do anything of half the people in this game. | ||
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If you wanna continue giving me tips on Town play come talk on Skype. | ||
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tnkted looks scummy to me - one big analysis on deconduo early in the game that would suggest he isn't afraid to put his reads in the open and lead a wagon, but he has done nothing since besides a huge post defending himself from ghrur. In light of what Palmar revealed, he buddied up to me a lot the night before, which I suppose scum planned to do to push me along the spammy path that I was going down (which would have ended with a likely Scamp mislynch). He was extremely reluctant on the bum wagon, even going so far as to provide really bad reasons (listchecker etc) to stay on LSB rather than ensure bum's lynch. Instantly changed his mind with me on sandroba. Plus this quote pointed out by Node which I missed: Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread. kitaman is actively trying to sabotage the thread with his crap and hasn't done a single lick of scumhunting. I'd like to see this guy hang for sure. Reading through his posts it's just a bunch of dumb stuff to distract Town. Again a single analysis on day 1 and no ounce of effort after. redFF very much looks like scum with a half assed effort to look like he is contributing when he replaced in and nothing else relevant since. Also actively looking to shit up the thread. VE looks bad for reasons a lot of people have stated already. Kenpachi I want to lynch because he is Kenpachi. He is never going to contribute anything and hurts Town whichever side he is on. I'm almost certain I've been approaching this game the wrong way. The people who are completely out of the way and not posting anything at all probably aren't scum, rather I think we should look at the people actively sabotaging the thread. youngminii please don't get embroiled up in this too. syllogism, Flamewheel, BC are capable of much more than they have been contributing, but it's like they are purposely being useless. If you guys are Town please don't give up, yeah the state of the thread is horrible but we've only had 1 mislynch against 2 scum lynches now. The game is very winnable, but not if I am the only one putting forth effort. | ||
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On August 20 2011 05:55 youngminii wrote: Curu, I assure you that I very much believe you're town (note: my opinion is subject to change) but I disagree with many of your opinions, I want to elaborate further. As for this being a winnable game, I'd go as far as to say that game is ours to lose, if we don't mess up badly we should win pretty convincingly. In any case, I believe kita is townish. I am undecided about tnkted. That's fair, who would you call scummy then? Jackal revealed his post restriction but according to him wasn't punished at all for it. | ||
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On August 20 2011 06:13 tnkted wrote: This. Its friday, I'm going to band practice then to a party then to sleep etc. Curu is right; I haven't been posting analysis and I should have. In my defence I've been posting most of my stuff at work, where I don't have time to comb the thread all that much, which you need to do analysis. I will do an analysis of ghrur tomorrow when I have time. You said you thought ghrur wasn't actually scum in your last relevant post, nothing has changed since then. So why your sudden change in read? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=48084¤tpage=2 Was enough for you to change your read completely. Naw. Sure, I'll give you time to make up a reason. | ||
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On August 20 2011 06:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You never confirmed you were a vigi, you proved you had a gun -_- It is theoretically possible that mafia have 1 shot vigi abilities untop of their regular kp. I can't see Mafia allowing Kurumi to be a Vig hit. WIFOM maybe, but seriously Kurumi? | ||
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On August 20 2011 23:54 tnkted wrote: Text Wall So in conclusion your "analysis" showed nothing. You give playstyle tips to people. You want to next do an "analysis" of me, who you think is Town and will be confirmed as Town once Palmar dies. Are you scum? | ||
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Mafia must have had a mechanic to locate the Traitor. The two people with known PM mechanics are VE and sandroba. Of the two, I would much rather kill VE. | ||
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On August 22 2011 11:12 ghrur wrote: But then again, it wouldn't make sense for Mafia to NOT use it and just confuse the crap out of town. It doesn't make sense for tnkted to come out and say he has it. It isn't as much on that as his whole post history is useless junk in trying to appear active and contributing. He has TWO walls of text where he "analyzes" you and says you're Town..then he wants to go post another wall of text on youngminii (...) and me (.........................), two people who are not even close to being lynch candidates. | ||
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On August 22 2011 11:33 redFF wrote: i disagree. say we have a confirmed maifa, boom quicklynch/ say theirs a scummy bandwagon starting boom quicklynch ...what? Quicklynch is bad either way. We had a confirmed scum Palmar but shit that happened during the day still promoted tnkted and kitaman scumreads. | ||
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This game. | ||
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I was probably blocked, got no results. | ||
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I'm throwing the white flag, good game scum. One of them took tnkted's power because he's retarded and claimed it, most of Town is afk or not caring, we had 1 real mislynch and somehow there are 20 dead Townies. | ||
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To all of you Townies who refused to contribute in a meaningful manner, I hate you. You have no idea how excited I was to play with the player list in this game. Instead it's almost worse than a game full of Kenpachis. Why I, as a completely new player, am the only one putting forth real effort to try and win the game is completely insane and this is the most frustrated I've ever been. Now that I've got a bit of rage off my chest, please lynch Flamewheel. I am not putting forth the effort to explain a case until someone else shows they give a shit about this game. I will be putting my vote on and that's it. I almost hope Flamewheel gets lynched and is Town because that would end this game. | ||
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My final guess for scumteam. Please tell me we lose when daypost comes up | ||
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I am never playing in a game with post restrictions again though. I realize most weren't half as bad as people were conveying, but seriously. Kurumi mucked up the entirety of day 1 when he was not obliged to, LSB never explained the kitaman thing leading everyone to ignore him as a troll, etc. 7 + 1 Mafia vs 24 Town (1 Survivor - lol at it being Kenpachi) with essentially 4 KP every night and an Ackbar that can suicide when about to be lynched. That ALL bombs blew up when anyone said the keyword (thanks redFF for putting me out of my misery) was insane too. I am pretty mad at my own play, I had Pandain in my sights day 1 but the incessant trolling and then Kavdragon vs aidnai let it completely slip through my sights. I still can't fathom why bum nuked someone we all agreed was Town, the Flip Framer basically fucked everything up after that. Imagine if Mafia had saved it and used it to make Palmar flip Town. I was sure syllogism was scum too since his only contribution was a nonsensical attack/vote and nothing else, but with the Town in such chaos and everyone doing their best to act annoying I had no idea what was a PR and what was scum. Overall from scum I think the Bombmaker + Flip Framer were too ridiculous. Not to excuse Town's shoddy play and it's understandable that they neeed strong roles to compensate for everyone in Town having a power, but some of them were so ridiculous that they weren't ever going to be used - Vig that dies to a mishot, Vig that dies if he guesses role/alignment wrong, my own ability was purely luck based, and so on. In the end I think it was the post restrictions that really raped Town. Mafia could act however they wanted and no one could be sure because Town was overplaying their own restrictions. That and the fact that the only active veteran players got sniped night 1 and Town was left with only a few people that even gave a shit about the game. I apologize to anyone I flamed or called bad during the game. This was the most frustrated I've ever been playing a Mafia game because of my very much unmet expectations for the playerlist and the general nobody-cares-but-me feeling the entire Town was giving. | ||
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The scumteam could basically play out in the open without consequence because Town was more interested in roleplaying and trolling than accomplishing anything. Pandain/Palmar were obvious lynches if bum had flipped correctly but the Framer fucked up everything from that trail too. I think Mafia had the game won after the night 1 hits because they effectively culled almost everyone who was willing to put effort into playing the game. | ||
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On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote: Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Even with all the crazy role interactions some of the Town just derped around on some stuff that should have been a big deal. Then again with so many people playing like shit, spamming as Town(wtf?), and riding Post Restrictions to the grave I can't blame some people for not trying harder. I'd afk out too. Yeah, most of Town did play like absolute shit. I was getting so frustrated with how many people were purposely exaggerating their PRs or being intentionally useless/scummy that I started lashing out at everyone. Pandain almost certainly would have been a day 1 lynch if it wasn't spammed away by Kurumi and the whole Kavdragon vs Aidnai mess, the Mafia team was even ready to bus him. The one time my day 1 tunnel actually falls on a scum I eased up -_-. I'm not happy with my play this game at all. | ||
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On August 24 2011 07:06 Qatol wrote: Speaking as someone who helped balance the game, there is only 1 thing I thought really went wrong with the setup balance-wise: I don't think the bomberman should have been allowed to place more bombs after the first set went off. Also, I don't think the mafia should have been allowed to change the code word every cycle. The mafia was supposed to have stronger roles than the town - every town player had a role. This game was only so one-sided because the town was lazy and got too caught up in their posting restrictions (most of which should have been relatively easy to recognize by reading the quiz or looking through the threads which talk about famous/funny moments on the forum). Also, the mafia got very lucky (doing things like blocking a vigi hit on one of their members night 1 and roleblocking the invention away). The town did not need more investigative roles. The town needed to scumhunt better. For example, Pandain was handed to you on a silver platter day 1, but you never got around to killing him. Nobody even took a shot at him all game. He even lied (he claimed he could remove people from the game) and roleclaimed on day 1, which allowed both vigis to shoot him night 1. But instead he was forgotten/ignored for the second half of the game. Town deserved to lose for that by itself. Just pure numbers-wise, 7 vs 23 is already almost 1/3 Mafia. Add in a Traitor and over 1/3 of the game is Mafia. Every Mafia power was amazingly better than the vanilla Mafia ones, the Traitor's was amazing (free mislynch if he ever got lynched plus a KP), whereas a lot of Town's powers were significantly worse than the vanilla game ones (Vigs that died if they mis-shot, I couldn't even pick my targets, etc). Add in that post restrictions were hugely helpful for Mafia while hugely harmful for Town. No excuse for Town's play though, it was absolutely horrible regardless. | ||
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My play is very unrefined and would love some pointers on how to improve if you're willing to give them. Besides cutting out the aggressiveness and belittling, I can see that one myself >_<. | ||
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