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tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
August 20 2011 14:55 GMT
#1461
On August 20 2011 10:33 flamewheel wrote:
It's Friday and I've got to get down.

I apologize for my inactivity, though this is just simply not a period where I have much free time. Still though, here's something that should make the coming days more interesting.

I lied when I said I had something for Day 3--that was simply me trying to draw a hit. Well, it worked. I was shot last night and lost my extra life. But now I have additional powers to make up for my new-found vulnerability.

I believe Palmar is scum, but I don't think sandroba is scum with him. Look at the earlier part of the day, where Palmar and sandroba are being linked together. Comrade Palmar decides to try to link himself together with sandroba but that doesn't work--so instead he's just trolling now. I don't have time to look more carefully into it, but it definitely seems at this point that Mafia have decided to bus him and planned on it early, considering that there are still 24 hours left to go.


Wait, you were shot?


So what vig shot last night?!
'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 20 2011 15:49 GMT
#1462
On August 20 2011 23:54 tnkted wrote:
Text Wall


So in conclusion your "analysis" showed nothing. You give playstyle tips to people.

You want to next do an "analysis" of me, who you think is Town and will be confirmed as Town once Palmar dies.

Are you scum?
wat
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 20 2011 16:22 GMT
#1463
On August 20 2011 23:28 Misder wrote:
Young is pretty town for trying to push for BC's modkill/attacking him if what Palmar said is true (as in scum knew that BC was the traitor <--- if he really is the traitor).

And since no one brought it up yet, there was 4 hits yesterday if what flamewheel said is true.

Also, thread doesn't seem like its moving as fast as it has been after Palmar gave up, which seems to suggest that anyone that was trying to move the thread on either days and stopped may be scummy. No idea who that would entail, but my mind is thinking Jackal58.

@Scamp
[spoiler]
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 17:29 Scamp wrote:
On August 20 2011 09:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Mind sharing what you were thinking, even if it might not apply anymore?


I totally mind. Stuff that isn't relevant is just distracting. Though I was exaggerating when I said everything was moot. Just most of it. And now my opinion of BC is moot too, so yeah. I'll post some things I remember now, and the rest when I sober up tomorrow.

I really don't get what Kenpachi is doing and I need to do more research on personalities because of it. Other than the detective claim he's just sort of there. I don't know why he's not sharing info, though. Also I'm pretty sure he's not RoL, at least based on the TL Mafia quiz thread. Wait, didn't he already say he was Pandain? Perhaps a name claim is in order from him.

redFF is pretty town in my book. I think he's been pretty annoying but a double vote on Bum has pretty much put all doubt aside for me. That'd be like the biggest bus ever.

As the day began it seemed that Youngminii was just going to go after me at an unhealthy degree, but now he's talking about other people some, at last. It's good to see him take off the blinders some.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why Palmar just gave up and then started trolling the thread like he's distracting from something. I don't recall any clues from hosts for a priest or some kind of zombie. Maybe someone on the scum team has some kind of Radfield-like ability and needs to survive a certain amount of time to get powerful. Did anyone have serious heat at the start of the day other than me? BC perhaps? I don't know what to make of him flipping black in the modkill. Syllogism?

This is a bad time to think. I'm going to sleep.
[spoiler]
What do you think Kenpachi is doing? And do you think it is scummy? (as in, personalities really shouldn't matter)
Well, considering Palmar already bussed bum, it would make since that at least some of the other mafia also bussed with him.
As in attacking BC? I... guess? Though it was more of a WTF Y NO MODKILL
Whats with "Syllogism?" I'm just confused to that question. I was going to critique the Palmar stuff, but then I realized what Palmar said in thread is probably not the entire truth/there might be another motive. However, I think it is pretty useless speculating.


Actually, I don't think it says much about YM. If BC was the traitor and that's why he flipped black, then mafia probably didn't know who he was, or else they wouldn't have had Palmar give up so easily to try to ask him to "claim in thread". The fact Palmar's trying to get him to claim seems to me like the mafia didn't know who he was, so even if YM was scum (I don't think he is), he wouldn't know he was bussing the traitor. Good to know BC was as scummy as I thought, though.

I'm also laughing at Palmar right now.
you gotta dance
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 20 2011 17:13 GMT
#1464

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

Would a traitor come up as the alignment of black or green?
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
August 20 2011 17:30 GMT
#1465
Black I think?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
August 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#1466
On August 21 2011 02:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

Would a traitor come up as the alignment of black or green?

Traitor flips black.

Also, Qatol will be helping me host while Ver is moving.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 20 2011 19:49 GMT
#1467
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 20 2011 23:28 Misder wrote:

Also, thread doesn't seem like its moving as fast as it has been after Palmar gave up, which seems to suggest that anyone that was trying to move the thread on either days and stopped may be scummy. No idea who that would entail, but my mind is thinking Jackal58.

What exactly are you trying to say here? And how do you only have 3 posts in this entire game?
Life can only kill you once.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 20 2011 20:26 GMT
#1468
+ Show Spoiler [tnkted's analysis of me[/spoiler] +
On August 20 2011 23:54 tnkted wrote:
Ok I usually start these posts by assuming that my target is mafia; then I go through their posts and read them all for content related to that. This isn't a very good approach for everyone because it means that a analyst who isn't being very careful can find things that aren't scummy and call them scummy (leading to a bad analysis) but I've been doing it long enough that I think I can do it without prejudice.

Ghrur Analysis

Fact 1: Ghrur has been buddying WHILE he accuses me of buddying. Nobody has bothered accusing him of buddying.

Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 12:01 ghrur wrote:
Oh Curu, that makes me remember, tnkted said our town atmosphere was lively too. :D What scum.



Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 10:17 ghrur wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:16 Curu wrote:
BloodyC0bbler -> Mafia


Couldn't agree more right now.


Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 02:45 ghrur wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:26 Curu wrote:
On August 18 2011 02:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am going to tell you all right now, both are bad lynches and a no lynch would be preferable. On that note, I will be voting for someone random right now.


So you somehow know the results of every lynch (today and yesterday), while contributing nothing to suggest a better target or anything?

Can we lynch RoL instead?


Yeah RoL, where did you're

On August 16 2011 13:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On August 16 2011 13:09 ghrur wrote:
My statement wasn't "guilt." It was a "whatever."
Btw, I vigied Kurumi so we wouldn't have a spamfest anymore.

I fucking love you. I can now start actually contributing. I am heading to sleep, but I will catch up tomorrow and apply rape where necessary.


"actually contributing" go?



Fact 2: D1, Rather than shoot somebody he thought was mafia (me) he decided to shoot a nearly confirmed townie. Then he claimed that he did it because Kurumi was spamming.



And thats......... basically all I could find that was scummy in his behavior. Conclusion: Ghrur is town. Sorry for doubting you, buddy.

Overall Ghrur's play seems to be extremely aggressive; he's an analytic redFF1. However, much of his reasoning is faulty; he's spending time thinking about his lynches but doesn't ever find conclusive evidence. Instead, he's applying pressure and hoping his target slips up during his defence. It's an interesting strategy, one that I've seen DrH pull off a few times. DrH tends to get lynched though, so we should probably avoid lynching ghrur even if his behavior feels scummy.

Some advice: Your style of posting is very obnoxious to be accused with, which is good because it encourages people to post and respond, but it also builds up a bad atmosphere for town. What happens when you accuse somebody who is town, tunnel them for days, and then get them lynched? You've wasted days of tunnelling that could have been spent on scum if you'd only mentally put that person back into the 'ok, that was a legit defense'. That's a tough mental maneuver to do; part of being good at it is understanding when somebody has a legit defence. Generally you're looking for defensiveness, topic changing, buddying, and sometimes, bandwagoning. Also look for wishy washy defenses that rely on you giving them benefit of the doubt.

Now I have a big ol- pounding headache (anyone else from the st. paul area? you know the wild onion? Yeah) and I'm going to go shower and play some mindless video game for a few hours (cortex command anyone? :D). I don't want to think right now. Later, when I'm feeling less hungover, I want to post an analysis of youngmini and one of curu (who, btw i think is town, but it's good to check these things).


That was a REALLY poor post. Why do you post generalities this late into the game? It does nothing. The time to give advice is long gone. Really, it seems like you're just trying to seem active and "helpful" now while posting fluffy "analysis" filled with... nothing. That said, I don't think you're really scum anymore.

Btw, note, while we got lucky with Curu's night action, we shouldn't rely on his role at all. In fact, for all we know, Curu could still be mafia busing a teammate. While unlikely, it could be possible. Instead, we should rely on analysis. We lynched Bum day 2 not because of lucky night actions, but because of good scum hunting. Let's keep it up.

Now, here's my next target as scum. Node. Here's why.

+ Show Spoiler +

First off, Node has been lurking like a bitch. If you read Palmar's first analysis where he suspects Aidnai, Kurumi, and Scamp, you notice 2 things. One, he calls Aidnai out on active lurking. Two, he has a list of lurkers
Youngminii, OpZ, Flamewheel, DoctorHelvetica, Kenpachi, Misder, Chezinu, Fishball, BloodyC0bbler.
Notice how Node is missing despite him being a huge lurker! This seems to be intentional dodging by mafia so that they don't bring suspicion onto their teammates.

To further this idea, notice how Palmar quotes Jackal talking about Node, among others, yet never even comments/mentions him. Bum, the other scum, never even MENTIONED Node whatsoever.

Now, onto Node himself. Notice how wishy-washy he is:
On August 15 2011 04:18 Node wrote:I kinda-sorta agree with Pandain's actions so far, and I'm really disappointed that he seems to have been shot.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm not sure about aidnai being scum.

On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes.

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


Also note how he has yet to actually vote for a single scum. Day 2, he didn't vote Bum, he voted VisceraEyes and then Pandain, both of which can be seen as trying to redirect onto someone else or just trying to get a no-lynch. This is markedly different from his day one attitude when he said

So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today.
What would make him change his philosophy so quickly? Simple, his scum buddy is on the line. Day 1, a lynch either way is good for him because he'd be lynching town. Day 2, a no lynch is better for him because, well, mafia gets a freaking no lynch!

On August 16 2011 05:15 Node wrote:
Ghrur, I was actually coming to similar conclusions on tnkted. I'm liking the way you think.

Show nested quote +
Do you even understand what and how town atmosphere works? Spamming doesn't generate a hostile town atmosphere in and of itself; all it does is make it more difficult for people to read the thread.


/facepalm

This is also during day 2, and it seems to me that he's trying to get ANOTHER different bandwagon going off my analysis with little contribution of his own. This would make sense for scum to do, that is, try and get 3 bandwagons going so that they can have a no lynch. Here, Node is suggesting VE, Pandain, and tnkted. But guess what, he never even votes for tnkted because it's just a soft push. Because he doesn't to actually commit that early in the day.


On August 17 2011 05:11 Node wrote:
I can confirm that VisceraEyes is Coagulation, and I also feel he's suspicious as hell. That's where I'll put my vote for now. Plus, if Curu's role / restriction is what I think it is... lol.

Also, just for the record (but mostly for LSB), I am not scum.

Now this is the most suspicious part. How does he confirm that VE is Coag? Why, because Palmar's been PMing VE, and Node has been in contact with Palmar of course! And guess what? When VE called him out on it, Node tried to deny all connections by saying

On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
I like how VE is trying to spin me knowing the name of his character into me being scum. How'd you come up with that one? No, my knowledge is independent. (no, that doesn't mean third party)


Well, of course scum would say that because should he get lynched, he wouldn't be implicating his scum friends. He would force VE to choose between the three. He knows, though, he got caught so he quickly posts this

On August 17 2011 12:28 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 17 2011 11:46 ghrur wrote:
On August 17 2011 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious as to how Node could confirm that I'm Coagulation. Is anyone else curious? I did PM Jackal and Palmar, who said as much when THEY confirmed that I'm Coagulation...but Node just said 'I can confirm it' and voted for me. I never PM'd Node, and I never role-claimed to Node.

##Vote: Node

...until an explanation is received.


How did you PM Jackal and Palmar when no PMs are allowed?


Role.


Bullshit.


To try and bring suspicion onto VE. Then he leaves and doesn't talk for about three days so the pressure from VE will be gone. His first post is only AFTER Curu came out and called Palmar scum. This way he can sneak in some posts while town is supposedly complacent and the suspicion is off of himself.

Oh, and one more thing, Node hasn't done anything this game. No analysis behind his "suspects." No pressure at all. Look how quickly he backs off.
On August 17 2011 10:51 Node wrote:
Still, after some thought I'm willing to let VE slide for the chance to lynch Pandain. He's nullified the (quite powerful) abilities of two players he thought were town with flimsy reasoning. His power in and of itself is actually pretty scummy (roleblocking is a town role since when?), and as much as I dislike the thought of Qatol being mafia, I have to accept that if BM of all people was town Qatol could be mafia. I'm undecided on bum, but I can't in good conscience allow Pandain to continue... whatever it is he's doing.


No, all Node's been doing is lurking and avoiding.


Node is scum. Vigi him or lynch him tomorrow. Do it.
darkness overpowering
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
August 20 2011 22:34 GMT
#1469
On August 21 2011 03:36 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 02:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

Would a traitor come up as the alignment of black or green?

Traitor flips black.

Also, Qatol will be helping me host while Ver is moving.

Are there any third parties in the game, or is BC a traitor?
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
August 20 2011 22:42 GMT
#1470
On August 21 2011 07:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 03:36 Incognito wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

Would a traitor come up as the alignment of black or green?

Traitor flips black.

Also, Qatol will be helping me host while Ver is moving.

Are there any third parties in the game, or is BC a traitor?

Modkill post calls him a traitor.
Life can only kill you once.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
August 20 2011 22:42 GMT
#1471
On August 21 2011 07:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2011 03:36 Incognito wrote:
On August 21 2011 02:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Role PM descriptions will not be given out until after the game is over. Only alignment and personality will be given.

Would a traitor come up as the alignment of black or green?

Traitor flips black.

Also, Qatol will be helping me host while Ver is moving.

Are there any third parties in the game, or is BC a traitor?

Yes BC is a traitor.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 21 2011 00:02 GMT
#1472
Is the traitor included in the mafia count?
you gotta dance
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 21 2011 00:31 GMT
#1473
guys i got a bunch of pms to be more active. assign me something. so i can say something worth saying.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 21 2011 00:33 GMT
#1474
How did the Mafia find out/communicate with the Traitor?
wat
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#1475
oh yeah i was speaking truth when i claimed Paindrain
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 21 2011 00:34 GMT
#1476
-Explain why you've been completely useless so far.
-Tell us who your strongest scum-reads are right now (Besides Palmar)
you gotta dance
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 21 2011 00:36 GMT
#1477
On August 21 2011 09:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
-Explain why you've been completely useless so far.
-Tell us who your strongest scum-reads are right now (Besides Palmar)

I've been completely useless so far because honestly, i believe i won the game already.

Im gonna have to do some reading. ill read a bit and see if anything stands out. Its going to be hard because I have been lost in this thread.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
August 21 2011 00:40 GMT
#1478
what

the

HELL
wat
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 21 2011 00:55 GMT
#1479
lol

i feel bad
but i feel good
at the same time
lalala
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 21 2011 01:01 GMT
#1480
Wait, Palmar knew there was a traitor and he sacrificed himself (well he was already screwed to be fair) to find him. How did he know that? Mafia must have some sort of list checker or role list or personality-role list.
lalala
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