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I brought this up in Arkham Asylum and got lambasted for it, but I'm highly suspicious of early policy posts like: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi town! I'm VisceraEyes! Some of you I might know me from the several games I've lost for my team in the past. This game I'm going to turn that around. Some requests: If you're fluent in BB formatting, PLEASE use spoilers and quotes. Text walls are easier to swallow when they're broken up. If you're not, please keep your thoughts concise and to the point. I'd like to try and keep the discussion focused this game. Obviously with such varied personalities, this is likely to be difficult. If we all do our part to keep the thread nice, we may even get to keep the All button! ^^ Probably my most sincere hope is that we avoid some of the mud-slinging and nonsense that tends to go with these games. Obviously some of us are going to get frustrated, but if we all try and primarily attack arguments, not people, I think the game will go a lot smoother. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/U84EX.jpg) This sort of post feels like you're trying really hard to establish town cred (As GGQ put it in mafia XL's post game analysis, this feels like he's trying to "lead without really leading"). Also voting for Ace and then unvoting - this is precisely the wishy-washyness for which I was being called scum in Arkham Asylum. As for the other votes already in this thread, man palmar do you really play like this every game? On July 22 2011 18:34 Palmar wrote: btw, Killing ace day1 is stupid, just lynch him day 2 because the mafia will shoot him if he's not part of their team. That is terrible WIFOM logic. Now all mafia have to do is just not kill him if he is town. Whether scum kill someone or not should never be used as rationale for determining someone's alignment. Along the same lines, your vote for redFF seem completely devoid of logic - I'm just gonna chalk it up to your hyper aggressive play style that has been so frustrating to deal with in Arkham asylum. I said this in that game and I'll say it here as well, random tunneling where you can interpret any response they could possibly take as being scummy is not good scum-hunting (in fact it is no different than the random lynching you're so against). Then, we have jacinto's analysis of DragonReborn. This actually looks like a pretty reasonable analysis. I'm going to wait for DR to respond to jacinto before I get caught up in any bandwagon against him. My 3rd suspect (aside from VE and DR) so far is appruds. I know he's a really strong scum player from mafia XL, masterful and not drawing attention to himself while still able to derail discussion and deflect attention when the heat was. His posting so far feels like he's just providing some thread presence while not really contributing any analysis or pressure on anyone. I realize that this is kind of bringing a lot of meta-game into the analysis which can be bad, but we should definitely be keeping an eye on him. So far the best case seems to be against DR, but as I said above, I'm going to wait until he responds before actually voting. | ||
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On July 23 2011 01:49 Palmar wrote: thanks DragonReborn422 ##Unvote redFF ##Vote DragonReborn422 I don't really like this bandwagon forming against DR. Maybe it's because I don't find the idea of a random lynch to be so abhorrently objectionable, but I didn't really get a scum read from DR. Granted he's been giving off this "I'm better than you" aura of arrogance, which does rub me the wrong way a little, but that doesn't make him scum. I think we're better off putting some pressure on the guys who haven't said much of anything. Sevryn, Trotske, Fortress? Care to comment? (Lord Vatti was modkilled for disappearing immediately after SNMMIV started and wouldn't at all be surprised if he got modkilled here as well - I hope Curu has been keeping up, lol) | ||
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On July 23 2011 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote: @FF While I appreciate your transparency, editing is not allowed or tolerated in games in this subforum. Just FYI. Yeah never edit, you can double post or triple post or whatever, but never edit... | ||
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On July 23 2011 06:33 Jacinto wrote: Here is how i deduce it. Set Up: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% 3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town - Chance of hitting scum: 33% What you are saying is that you think there is less than 25% chance for us to hit scum, and as you can see, we have higher chances than that with RL. So if that's your stance, why wouldn't you support RL? umm... what? looks like somebody needs to go back to the 3rd grade. in all 4 scenarios, there are 3 mafia out of 12 total people. That means there is a 25% chance of hitting scum. | ||
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ugh I wake up from my Saturday afternoon nap to see that DR really is going to get lynched... I'll look over the last 3 pages more carefully in a sec, but I wanted to get a word in before the deadline. Am I the only one who thinks that the case against DR is that he's rubbed people the wrong way (i.e. no real case)? Then again, my scumdar hasn't been one of the best recently (I totally missed redFF and Youngminii's scum vibe in Arkham asylum). Well regardless, it's probably too late to change anything now, so I'm not going to bother voting but several of the "cases" against DR are really suspicious looking. Major FoS on them if DR flips green, and Ace is an obvious next target if DR flips red. | ||
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On July 24 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote: this kind of belittling post is NOT acceptable. Just because a player is new and you find his style of play disagreeable does not give you the right to be so rude. Yes I can see how his arrogant attitude might bother you, you still don't *ever* tell a player to quit and don't come back because you dislike him. This is not just Curu, I just singled him out because that post stood out. This is a prevailing attitude that is poisoning this thread, and I want it to stop, I don't care what issues you have with a player, do not be rude or unkind to them. Seriously people. We. Are. All. Friends. Here. I don't give a damn how pissed at the game you might be, remember that in the end we are all friends first and foremost. Consider this the last warning to anyone in the thread, I will not tolerate belittling, demeaning or otherwise offensive posts to poison this game. I agree completely, and it's not just the people in this game. gtrsrs ruined mafia XL and SNMMIV in this way, and several people in Arkham asylum have been acting like this as well. The worst part about this sort of unnecessary flaming is that it creates an atmosphere that begets more unnecessary flaming from others who wouldn't otherwise act like jackasses. | ||
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On July 24 2011 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Well hot damn. Maybe next time Sir Dragon. No need to get cocky scum | ||
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Sevryn wrote: Looking at Pyo's posts i think he is either scum or super lazy he has a large amount of useless posts and the abstaining from voting. Ace seems to me to have come into this game with the attitude that town is boned and its all just a barrel of laughs which makes me think there is a good chance he is scum. because there isn't that much to read off of Pyo im going to vote ace for now. ##Vote Ace Yeah, I guess I have been kind of lazy. Seeing town jump on a bandwagon like that day 1 was certainly demoralizing. I've also kind of bummed myself out of Arkham Asylum too. But I'll start contributing: If you look back at how the DR bandwagon developed, it all started with this post by Jacinto: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10420934 I thought this was a perfectly reasonable "get the ball rolling" attack on DR. The case was weak, mostly just non-commital play. I figured DR would just brush it off and the case would be dropped, and I thought DR's post was perfectly reasonable: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10429554 Palmar next throws in a few jabs at DR (typical in-your-face Palmar play), but he seems more occupied with RedFF, and even threw out a jab at me as well. VisceraEyes next jumps in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430096 This vote almost feels like VE is reacting to the fact that he doesn't like DR for agreeing with/not being against Ace's plan. I'm not convinced that this is particularly scummy in that it feels a little too committal toward a brewing bandwagon. The next thing to crop up which really got the ball rolling was this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430660 Here aprudds throws out an ad-hom attack on DR. This is eerily reminiscent of how he managed to start a bandwagon against Freeloader in mafia XL. (For those that don't know, after role PMs went out, Freeloader asked whether mafia could PM each other despite the "no PMs" rule. aprudds brought this up as a scum slip and had the whole town distracted by it for all of day 1.) In this post aprudds is painting DR as an unlikable guy, sort of needlessly needling him/trolling him into acting scummier. And he continues to do it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10430971 However, appruds doesn't vote for DR right away. It really feels like aprudds is riling up the town making them dislike DR while not really committing to him. It is only after Palmar also votes for DR that you finally cast your vote. To me that seems really scummy and manipulative, just like he played in mafia XL. ##vote: aprudds | ||
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On July 26 2011 07:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Pyo, could you point to the post(s) where Ace took a "stand" against the DR lynch? And why would that clear him in your mind? Scum would KNOW who's innocent and can manipulate town with that information by making a "stand" against a lynch that's bound to happen...but I don't even really see the post you're referring to. it was this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10443762 and then this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245159¤tpage=15#287 I don't want to defend Ace too hard in case he really is mafia, but I'm inclined to take him at face value: a frustrated veteran mafia player who's throwing a tantrum because no one listened to him day 1 and are now trying to get him lynched. | ||
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On July 27 2011 03:34 Curu wrote: Oh right well ##Vote: Curu I'd like to pursue Ace tomorrow if he still doesn't show up but I don't want to let Mafia get him lynched while we're all inactive. It takes 6 votes to lynch, so even if you didn't change your vote, he still wouldn't get lynched. | ||
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On July 29 2011 00:57 Trotske wrote: The main thing is you havn't posted a legit original thought this whole thread and half your posts are one liners with no thought behind them. And you have been tunneling the shit out of townies the whole game. I will post more detailed posts when I get home. I really want to hear from people like Sevryn, Fortune (who hasn't been seen in forever), and Pyo. The main problem I feel in this game has been so little activity from half the pople in the game so we have like no little info but we are in a shitty enough position that mafia can be inactive and we can't mkae a case against them. I've been following along, but I'm not quite sure what to do. I was trying to come up with some heroic move like I pulled in SNMMIV to try to trick/trap mafia into slipping, but they haven't really given us/me anything to work with (in SNMMIV we had a blue claim and a roleblock claim by mafia, but here we've got nothing). I didn't like either lynch so far, but the rationale behind each one wasn't quite the same the. RD was bandwagoned against and was sort of trapped into acting scummy by ridiculous pressure, while Ace was lynched because he basically gave up and stopped caring. Because of this I highly doubt that both were scum-driven so I doubt that the guy pushing both (VE) is scum, despite the fact that he's appeared the most scummy so far. Additionally, appruds dying has sort of eliminated my biggest scum suspect so I'm a little lost. So what to do? Since there have been no roleblock claims, I'm going to assume that we either have a medic or a DT, but not both. We're in mylo if we have a DT and can only mislynch if the medic gets incredibly lucky with his protect (so basically mylo). So how about we simply no lynch today? This would give a potential DT an extra chance for investigation and while eliminating another townie due to night kill, would make our chances to lynch scum tomorrow a tiny bit higher. And overall, out situation/chance to win wouldn't really change. I like this option infinitely better than risking that the 3 mafia would basically control the voting. Thoughts? ##Vote: No Lynch | ||
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Yeah, that is a good point. I hadn't thought of that. So then who do we vote for? I'm not convinced that VE is scum. Convince me otherwise. | ||
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##Unote: No Lynch ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On July 30 2011 05:49 Sevryn wrote: What a good way to bring that up. "Hey guys my team hasn't defended me so I'm town" actually, the fact that we don't see anyone trying to defend you is pretty good evidence that you are scum. If I were scum and one of my buddies was about to hang, I wouldn't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole, especially in a mylo situation. | ||
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Early on I kept on telling Palmar to chill/be careful, but then I realized that town just wasn't using their heads and were voting entirely on emotion. Vote for DR was because they didn't like him. Vote for Ace was because of his attitude. I am disappoint  It's not like we were played perfectly - I missed the voting day 1, which everyone simply let happen. Palmar was crazy scummy all game long, but just everyone ignored him except for Ace (VE was too indecisive toward the end. Fortune was basically hardcore lurker mode the whole game and was pressured maybe once.Now one thing that I realized after playing as mafia is that not having an opinion or not wanting to lynch anyone day 1 actually is scummy and should be automatically policy lynched – not because it really is scummy per se, but because if you don't do so then mafia can mask their lurking as indecision. Allowing people to vote for a no lynch really swings the game in mafia's favor. Out of curiosity, Trotske, who did you protect night 1 and 2 (and 3 if you actually sent in your night action)? | ||
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