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However, I wish bum would talk more. He's posted literally six times since he replaced in. This doesn't entirely feel townbum to me.
On July 28 2011 06:12 Kurumi wrote:
I request a day vig hit on Amber[LighT].
Voting Lanaia
I don't understand why Kurumi voted me so quickly into the day. It confuses me. :/ I don't think he's scum, but I don't comprehend the reasoning.
On July 28 2011 18:39 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 13:21 Lanaia wrote:
In response to Kita...
Just because I didn't explicitly state that I thought red was probably scum doesn't mean it was out of nowhere and that I hadn't thought it.
I felt Drazerk was not a good kill.
I'd submitted my kill by the time I'd ever mentioned Drazerk anyways. I don't believe you. [/b]
I missed this. I submit my kill during the day. However, it doesn't occur until the following night. Do you still not believe me?
I feel kita is scum at this point (after rereading) but I'm not entirely sure why. Admittedly, I haven't contributed too much myself. His last five posts lack anything significant in regards to the game other than a commentary on what had happened at night.
Again, this is my first time playing with most of these people so I apologize that many of my reads have been off thus far.
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helping with something, but I made an error and these powers are aren't helping our thought processes.You almost have to disregard what anyone says, yet look into whatever they say about everything else you don' think they know.
I am suspicious of foolishness but I will have to put vote elsewhere based on what I read. I've been following what kurumi says, but I've deduced that he isn't trying hard enough regardless of what his role is.
Amber, heist and sandroba are probably town as well. I think people who voted BC are a bit suspicious, with nisani at the top of the list.
##Vote nisani201
I wouldn't vote foolishness. And how exactly do I incur this penalty? It's hidden right?
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On July 29 2011 08:34 Lanaia wrote:
[b] I submit my kill during the day. However, it doesn't occur until the following night.
that is in fact how the role i made functions. She's not making up her role mechanics.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I have been reading through Nisani's past games and have found something peculiar about his attitude this game. Look at some of his posts from real time mafia (he was town aligned that game):
On June 29 2011 10:33 Nisani201 wrote:
This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.
I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam.
That is all.
On June 29 2011 07:59 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town. I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch. Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote. ##Vote: Drazerk
Notice the confident attitude. Yes the majority of his posts are short and he provides little explanation, but he's exhibiting a confident attitude about what he thinks. He blatantly calls the town stupid before casting a vote based on contradictions, which went against the town consensus at that point. Contrast this with his posts this game:
On July 25 2011 12:27 Nisani201 wrote:
Ugh, first I have redFF being a hero in Vigi mafia and shooting someone in the first hour of vigi mafia, and now I have this?
Ugh, whatever. youngminii is probably scum, because he, you know, KILLED A TOWNIE ON THE SPOT.
##Vote youngminii
Just tossing around his vote like he doesn't care, and only because youngminii killed a townie. Nothing confident, nothing about contradictions and slip ups. He also voted for BC at the same time when everyone else was placing their votes on him, and spent the rest of the day afk with the occasional post about nothing.
In real time mafia, he also had a few long posts, including a defense. And as we are all aware of he's yet to have any post longer than 3 lines this game.
On June 30 2011 09:03 Nisani201 wrote:Fantastic. I am so excited to hear this analysis only to find out... that it is about me. *puts on sunglasses* Defense time. My comments on the analysis are in red. + Show Spoiler +On June 30 2011 08:07 sinani206 wrote:Nisani201
- Number and length of posts
Nisani201 has 36 posts in the thread, 24 of which are from after the Day 1 post. His mean post length is 2.5 sentences, his mode post length is 2 sentences, and his maximum post length is 6 sentences which he reached 2 times. Just keep these numbers in mind as I continue this analysis.
Those numbers mean anything, and I don't understand why you would waste your time doing all that math and counting. Quality over quantity is what matters. Just because a post is short doesn't mean it can't be useful.
- Contentless posting
Here is an example of one of Nisani201's better posts:
On June 29 2011 07:59 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town. I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch. Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote. ##Vote: Drazerk
In this post, he simply agrees with sandroba's thoughts that syllogism is town and Cthsazsa's analysis, which showed that Drazerk was scum. He does not provide any new content.
I defended Syllogism with some thoughts on his behaviour. Does that not count as new content?
His other 6-sentence gem:
On June 29 2011 10:33 Sinani201 wrote:
This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.
I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam.
That is all.
He provides one tiny piece of advice: not to kill spammy players, which is only half-right: lynch scum, shoot spammers. He re-references Cthasza's analysis and defends his vote, but he doesn't give any evidence of Drazerk's "contradictions and slip-ups."\
Right now Viscera is under fire because his analysis was supposedly a repeat of what others have said. It's implied that the contradictions and slip-ups are in Cthsasza's analysis.
These are Nisani201's two longest posts, and both of them are simply parroting what others have said and stating the obvious without adding any new analysis to the table.
Completely wrong, as I've stated in the red.
- Active lurking
Here are some examples of what the average Nisani201 post looks like:
On June 28 2011 11:57 Sinani201 wrote:
No more stupid TF2 Garry's Mod videos.
This is serious business.
The reason why "fluff" is so frowned upon is because it makes it hard to navigate through the thread. Fluff takes space from important things like analysis, defense, and possible scumslips. This post was at the very beginning, so it's stupid to say that it is a "fluff" post.
On June 28 2011 14:15 Sinani201 wrote:
Sorry, bad formatting.
Please change my name on the player list to "Nisani201 (Sinani201)" as that is what I should be known as throughout the game
I don't understand how this is fluff. I said it because there was a post before it where someone named me Sinani, which is what I want to avoid.
On June 28 2011 14:40 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned.
Palmar is not in this game, he submitted /out soon before the game started. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=6#109
Though this ended up not being true, it was new content that I was bringing attention to the other players. They later thanked me for telling them.
On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote:
The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
This was in response to your post about how it would be unlikely for us to be on the same alignment. I thought that you had been mistaken on how the roles were generated. I was wrong but remember that I am a newbie so I don't know how everything works.
On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote:
When is Day over?
What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie?
This isn't fluff, it's a question.
These are all bits of information that are not useful to the town in any way and questions that can easily be answered by reading the OP. He makes these posts because he doesn't want to have to post content, but he doesn't want to seem inactive.
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On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
First, I pressure him into posting and he responds by saying that he will contribute when he has enough information. Let's see what he means by contribute:
On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first. From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.
This is his "analysis" of chaos13, where he points out that he is either Mafia or Medic. This contribution does not help town at all. The fact that he could be on either side is useless, and pointing out that he could be Medic helps Mafia, as GMarshal pointed out.
It's not analysis, it's a comment, a contribution if you will. If I were trying to help the Mafia I would have been able to tell them in PM.
His next "contribution:"
On June 29 2011 09:38 Sinani201 wrote:
I don't really understand how the first quote from him is a scumslip. The second one is iffy; I could see why you might think it's suspicious but it could by no means be used as a primary argument.
He is referring my supposed scumslips which were posted by sandroba. He refuses to take a stance on my play. He is acting extremely safe and neutral, which is a scummy trait.
[red]It's Day 1, so evidence can't always be 100%. I also don't want to be put under fire for taking a too aggressive stance on topics.
A more recent post:
On June 30 2011 00:40 Sinani201 wrote:
Drazerk has posts that give off scumtells. For Viscera, it's a lack of posts.
I don't understand why the bandwagon against Drazerk is a bad thing. A lot of people are voting for him. That just means Cthsasa's analysis against him was good. It's not OMGUS, it's just agreement.
He says that a lot of people are voting for Drazerk because Cthazsa's analysis was good. I assume he was talking about himself as well when he said this. He subtly explains that he is voting because of the analysis, not because he actually thought that Drazerk was scummy. This is a major scumslip. He is basically saying he found a good analysis to hide behind.
The point of an analysis is to convince other people to vote for someone. Cthazsa's analysis convinced me to vote for Drazerk.
Finally, he says this in response to Drazerk's analysis of me:
On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
This is a scummy post because Drazerk's analysis of me was good because it could have started some healthy discussion, and as scum, Nisani201 would want to stop all discussion, which he does, which proves his scumminess.
My comment on the analysis did not take away any potential for discussion. I was simply stating my opinion. If anyone else has opinions on it, by all means tell us.
That took an hour and a half to write. Whew. My vote will stay on VisceraEyes today, but tomorrow, I urge all of you to vote for Nisani 201. Thank you, good sirs.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 02 2011 09:58 Nisani201 wrote:Hello everyone. It's dissapointing to see that I am the primary lynch target. I am the Vigilante, and I was the one who killed DropBear. If anyone would like to counter that then please go ahead. As for my contribution, there is something that I've been working on. It's a node graph of everyone's actions, grouped by username. I have no idea if it will be useful or not; this is my first game and I thought it would be interesting to try. http://i.imgur.com/E1PnP.jpgInitially I wanted to color code it by blue (defending another player), teal (accusing another player), and purple (aggressive action), but I eventually gave up mid way because I didn't think it was useful. The number in the brackets is the post number (last number in the URL when pressing the # button on people's post). I now realize that you need the page number AND the post number for this to work properly.
I'll be placing my vote on him in the hopes he responds. Otherwise we should put a  Bisu in him.
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out of curiosity, what does "put a bisu in him" mean, apart from fulfilling your TLPD quota?
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Foolishness, I can't quite recall
if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts?
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come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints!
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On July 29 2011 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints!
???
I don't understand this post
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On July 29 2011 11:26 chaos13 wrote:
Foolishness, I can't quite recall
if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts?
Some shit to do with either his role or his penalty, maybe both. I think he hinted at it a while ago.
Or he's pulling a Drazerk and making it all up.
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On July 29 2011 11:46 Varpulis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:26 chaos13 wrote:
Foolishness, I can't quite recall
if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts? Some shit to do with either his role or his penalty, maybe both. I think he hinted at it a while ago. Or he's pulling a Drazerk and making it all up.
Hmm. Well I have to say that Foolish is not being helpful. He hasn't contributed anything of substance all game really, except lately with his case for Nisani. I don't like the way nisani looks either, but it matches his meta more than foolishness'. My vote will go for Foolish over nisani.
But Palmar, don't think I've forgotten about you.
##Vote: Foolishness
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go to bed. I am exhausted
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On July 29 2011 11:42 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints! ??? I don't understand this post
Alright, I've been speculating. He started doing it with his first post, so I don't believe it's a penalty. Immediately I thought it was a "palmer bro-fist" situation, but when redff or whoever started TLPD'n everything, F said "thanks for infinite lives" which I've thought through and I'm 75% sure this was a white lie. Nothing wrong with hinting that you have vetty stuff me thinks, it's not consequential because if you dont have vet stuff, your dead, and if you do, then it doesn't change things.
Now I think he can state certain players to activate certain things. His first posts were all really obscure players who happened to have common words as their names. Later on, as in just recently, he started randomly saying the J-word (don think it matters if i dont TLPD-ize, or if us TLPDin anything actually does anything) and placing a B-word on people. I don't even want to quote foolish's stuff but its all there using filter. I think B is either a bomb or a check me thinks, he doesn't hide that hes referring to nisani.
I haven't made a role this game, but if I thought to utilize TLPD in my role, I'd do something similar to what I mentioned. Do you want us to try to figure out what you do exactly without inccurring your penalties or do you not want us to figure it out at all 
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On July 29 2011 12:57 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:42 chaos13 wrote:On July 29 2011 11:35 bumatlarge wrote:
come on guys use that brain of yours, even if it isnt what you think you could just accuse foolishness of misleading hints! ??? I don't understand this post Alright, I've been speculating. He started doing it with his first post, so I don't believe it's a penalty. Immediately I thought it was a "palmer bro-fist" situation, but when redff or whoever started TLPD'n everything, F said "thanks for infinite lives" which I've thought through and I'm 75% sure this was a white lie. Nothing wrong with hinting that you have vetty stuff me thinks, it's not consequential because if you dont have vet stuff, your dead, and if you do, then it doesn't change things. Now I think he can state certain players to activate certain things. His first posts were all really obscure players who happened to have common words as their names. Later on, as in just recently, he started randomly saying the J-word (don think it matters if i dont TLPD-ize, or if us TLPDin anything actually does anything) and placing a B-word on people. I don't even want to quote foolish's stuff but its all there using filter. I think B is either a bomb or a check me thinks, he doesn't hide that hes referring to nisani. I haven't made a role this game, but if I thought to utilize TLPD in my role, I'd do something similar to what I mentioned. Do you want us to try to figure out what you do exactly without inccurring your penalties or do you not want us to figure it out at all
A conspiracy involving the first letter of the TLPDized name?
Far out, but until we start seeing the results of these actions or can make logical correlations between unclaimed events (nobody claimed the hit on supersoft iirc) I wouldn't put any stock in it.
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ebwop: Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's used beesuit twice, so that's obviously not a trigger word, and he used MurDeR without any effect, which seems counter-intuitive.
Could we focus on analysis not random bullshit theories about Foolishness' role?
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Ugh, Foolishness's "analysis" on me seems like a desperation attempt to get votes off of him. The vote I made on youngminii was not "throwing my vote around." You're really pushing it, Foolishness. So much so, that I will be placing my vote on you.
##Vote: Foolishness
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On July 29 2011 13:18 Varpulis wrote:
ebwop: Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's used beesuit twice, so that's obviously not a trigger word, and he used MurDeR without any effect, which seems counter-intuitive.
Could we focus on analysis not random bullshit theories about Foolishness' role?
-_- you're no fun
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
 Orion's razor
Doesn't work quite as well but you get the point.
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On July 29 2011 14:51 Foolishness wrote:Orion's razor Doesn't work quite as well but you get the point.
have you met "Check"?
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On July 29 2011 11:50 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 11:46 Varpulis wrote:On July 29 2011 11:26 chaos13 wrote:
Foolishness, I can't quite recall
if this has ever been addressed. Why exactly are you putting TLPD in all your posts? Some shit to do with either his role or his penalty, maybe both. I think he hinted at it a while ago. Or he's pulling a Drazerk and making it all up. Hmm. Well I have to say that Foolish is not being helpful. He hasn't contributed anything of substance all game really, except lately with his case for Nisani. I don't like the way nisani looks either, but it matches his meta more than foolishness'. My vote will go for Foolish over nisani. But Palmar, don't think I've forgotten about you. ##Vote: FoolishnessNow if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go to bed. I am exhausted
This vote makes me not like the Foolishness wagon as much.
Unless of course it's a bus, but damn it, Chaos13 is the most scummy player in town.
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On July 29 2011 20:03 Palmar wrote:
This vote makes me not like the Foolishness wagon as much.
Unless of course it's a bus, but damn it, Chaos13 is the most scummy player in town.
That's a good constructive post right there, it really helped us out a lot. I am so glad we have such a shining example of excellence to look up to.
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On July 29 2011 14:16 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 13:18 Varpulis wrote:
ebwop: Yeah, I'm not buying it. He's used beesuit twice, so that's obviously not a trigger word, and he used MurDeR without any effect, which seems counter-intuitive.
Could we focus on analysis not random bullshit theories about Foolishness' role? -_- you're no fun
I completely agree with Varpulis. Unless you (or the person you replaced, rather) made Foolishness' role and that's along the lines of what it is...
Hmm.
However, if that is the case you should probably claim it outright. As it is now it looks like a wild conspiracy theory and will only lead to further confusion and make you look more suspicious in the future.
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