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On July 29 2011 04:38 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:33 heist wrote:On July 29 2011 04:22 Foolishness wrote:First vote on Jackal On July 25 2011 13:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote jackal58 Post against kitaman: On July 25 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote:Can we please stop the mass role claiming now? I'm looking at the title of the game and it clearly has the word 'Mafia' in it, and nowhere are the words 'claim'. Has there ever been an instance where a mafia claimed day 1 in a game such as this? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there has. TL mafia players aren't ballsy enough to do something like that. You guys can yap all you want about these people being mafia, but while you do players like kitaman get a  free ride as they make useless posts while pretending to be active. As far as I'm concerned, it's meaningless comparing it to the first vote. The timing of your post would be a lot more convincing if you posted it before ON's flip. After his flip, YM, redFF, amber, and myself were all prepared to lynch/kill Jackal. This is all before your post defending him. A bunch of his arguments are that I diverted discussion away from Jackal lynched. That's not true. I said why I thought he was suspicious, then others ran around voting for him without providing just reason besides "foolishness is right". Hunting inactives is what I do best. Go read my past games I'll even find them for you if you desire.
You NEVER said he was suspicious. In fact, you did the complete opposite. You defended him saying mafia would never role claim day 1. I'm not even comprehending how you can say everyone voted for him because of you.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 29 2011 04:48 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:38 Foolishness wrote:On July 29 2011 04:33 heist wrote:On July 29 2011 04:22 Foolishness wrote:First vote on Jackal On July 25 2011 13:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote jackal58 Post against kitaman: On July 25 2011 13:39 Foolishness wrote:Can we please stop the mass role claiming now? I'm looking at the title of the game and it clearly has the word 'Mafia' in it, and nowhere are the words 'claim'. Has there ever been an instance where a mafia claimed day 1 in a game such as this? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there has. TL mafia players aren't ballsy enough to do something like that. You guys can yap all you want about these people being mafia, but while you do players like kitaman get a free ride as they make useless posts while pretending to be active. As far as I'm concerned, it's meaningless comparing it to the first vote. The timing of your post would be a lot more convincing if you posted it before ON's flip. After his flip, YM, redFF, amber, and myself were all prepared to lynch/kill Jackal. This is all before your post defending him. A bunch of his arguments are that I diverted discussion away from Jackal lynched. That's not true. I said why I thought he was suspicious, then others ran around voting for him without providing just reason besides "foolishness is right". Hunting inactives is what I do best. Go read my past games I'll even find them for you if you desire. You NEVER said he was suspicious. In fact, you did the complete opposite. You defended him saying mafia would never role claim day 1. I'm not even comprehending how you can say everyone voted for him because of you.
err sorry I was referring to kitaman there. sandroba says I diverted attention away from Jackal by accusing kitaman. I posted in the thread why I thought kitaman was suspicious (before Jackal was even an issue), then others started using what I said and voted for him.
And yes I defended Jackal because I didn't think a  MaFia would roleclaim like that without accusing ON. I'm pretty sure I already explained this in a past post but I can clarify if you need.
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eh pronouns. no need to clarify.
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Hmm... reading through the back files
On July 25 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote:Well I was reading through the thread and was ready to tell everyone to shut up about voldemort/hallows but that conversation seems to have ended, in a comfortably brutal fashion. The things I think about what went on now: Jackal58, Harry PotterThe question raised now is whether or not the Voldemort/Potter duo is like Joker/Batman was in PTP 1. Is role a reflection of alignment in this case? It would have been natural to think voldy was mafia, but that turned out completely incorrect. It is also possible that they are both town aligned. This remains to be seen. A question I want to put forward is: Should we get Jackal to use the wand in the same way that ON was going to? A double lynch either today or tomorrow? This could prove to be a powerful tool, and is worth considering. Sandroba, keeper of the wandMy big question is why was he willing to hand out a KP so early on day 1? Unless he knew ON was town somehow, but with the deal of it being handed back to him, that seems highly unlikely. At first I would say he is town, because he was ready to hand the wand over to someone who flipped town instead of someone on his scum team. But then...nobody says that the keepers of the hallows and the collectors have to be on the same team. We really have no guarantee of this either way, but if we see Sand flip before Jackal, we can rest assured that they are not mafia together or Potter would have the wand now. In conclusion, I'm uncertain on him. This business has introduced a lot of wifom around Sand, and I've really got nowhere in writing out my thought process on him. Curu, the naive plannerShow nested quote +On July 25 2011 10:26 Curu wrote:
This game is Harry Potter Mafia? Did I miss something wut?
One idea: everyone can claim their own roles. That doesn't activate the penalty AFAIK. Then if anyone lies at all then their role creator can call them out.
This allows us to coordinate everyone's powers and dissenters can be lynched. Effectively we can coordinate everyone's actions and avoid hero syndrome or people using their powers in an Anti Town way (can also somewhat cripple the Mafia's powers).
The only weakness I can see is that it lets the Mafia pick and choose their targets among who has the most powerful roles. However, they already know many of the roles of Town (the ones they themselves created) so it's not all that debilitating.
Thoughts? It's already been explained why this is a bad idea, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. This benefits scum far more than town, since they could eliminate mason or vigilante roles. However, as I often find myself pointing out, bad plan =/= scum. Based on this I think Curu is more likely town than mafia. If mafia were to propose a plan as high-profile as this, they would have thought it through and discussed it with their scumbuddies first, and it would not have ended up posted. But seriously Curu, don't push this plan. It doesn't help us. redFF, the....redFFThis post makes me really uneasy. He asks for a KP with no explanation. Maybe he has a role that he can use it, or maybe he just wanted to hold on to it so it couldn't be used improperly. Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 10:33 redFF wrote:On July 25 2011 10:30 OriginalName wrote:On July 25 2011 10:30 youngminii wrote:On July 25 2011 10:26 Curu wrote:
This game is Harry Potter Mafia? Did I miss something wut?
One idea: everyone can claim their own roles. That doesn't activate the penalty AFAIK. Then if anyone lies at all then their role creator can call them out.
This allows us to coordinate everyone's powers and dissenters can be lynched. Effectively we can coordinate everyone's actions and avoid hero syndrome or people using their powers in an Anti Town way (can also somewhat cripple the Mafia's powers).
The only weakness I can see is that it lets the Mafia pick and choose their targets among who has the most powerful roles. However, they already know many of the roles of Town (the ones they themselves created) so it's not all that debilitating.
Thoughts? Why would anyone, including scum, lie? Also, smooth one OriginalName.. Screw you I want powers. I think you should claim, your derailing town discussion by being cryptic about the horcruxes. We should either stop trying to get information from ON or he should claim. This one as well. He accuses a now-confirmed townie, and tries to get him to claim. Couple this with his asking for the wand, it makes me think he also might have an HP themed role and would be capable of using it. What remains to be seen is whether this role is town aligned or not. At the moment I have no strong reads on any other players. Hopefully I'll have more time tomorrow to read and do some proper analysis. Something I really don't want to happen is that everyone gets wrapped up in the theme roles of this game. At the heart of it, it's a simple game of mafia. At no point in the game should role/HP mechanics come before good analysis. I realize that in my thoughts above I focused a lot on HP, and as you can see it only led to a lot of wifom. I will be doing my best to move away from this in the future and on to analysis based more in behavior.
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On July 25 2011 13:57 Tackster wrote:
Calling the 3 Deathly Hallows examples of horcruxes is like calling Gandalf's asshole the one true ring. If we keep fucking up Harry Potter lore hear i'm going to call J.K.Rowling and then everyone will be sorry!
Apart from that I was shocked to see that day kill! Days are 48 hours long - surely sandroba having a stick up his...attic... is not worth 3 roleclaims, a day shot and the beginnings of a bandwagon. Chaos13 seems to be the only one who's done any analysis as opposed to 'i just read everything so do what i say'.
I myself haven't analysed much but seeing as I can't sleep i'll go back and try and generate a proper timeline of events...
Everyone take a chill pill and wash it done with some methodone...
Chaos stressing essentially we stop pursuing jackal. He tentatively surmises that HP and Voldemort can both be town. Starts testing the waters about giving him the wand. Then starts to put suspicion on Sandroba for giving him the wand. Basically ends with "don't let roles affect your decision at all". Tackster with the same mentality: we want no talk of roles, stop pursuing jackal. Subtly(actual not so subtle) trying to increase Chaos' town legitimacy. Both emphasize the need for behavioral analysis and to ignore roles completely. But what does jackal do(forced to or not)? Stay away so we can't do that either. We also have Foolishness arguing essentially the same thing.
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k so i went out again
will try analuse probs wont be good
everyone giveing lanaia shit i think shes a good guy
vote before tim roth chekc
hard to make colour
On July 27 2011 04:46 deconduo wrote:
Vote Count:
BloodyC0bbler - 8
DropBear
redFF
Nisani201
Mig
supersoft
Jackal58
kitaman27
Palmar
Jackal58 - 8
BloodyC0bbler
Amber[LighT]
heist
Mr. Wiggles
Drazerk
Curu
syllogism
Lanaia
Kurumi - 2
chaos13
sandroba
Lanaia - 1
Kurumi
redFF - 1
Foolishness
was close vote jackl cobblerface
i say at lesat one more bad guy in coblerface list
nisani206?
evil kitaman?
eidur gudjonsen?
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look at these 3 leave da fool for later
no way he last ti late game if town, mafia will kick him with their fist til hes dead
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Oh I've read that game, that's the infamous game ver wrote his guide about. You were hunting scum that game, you nailed YM pretty early on. You were not only defending yourself and you started doing so when a lot of people were onto you.
I'm done arguing with you anyway, since you are so hell bent on changing your aligment to town, let's join forces and find scum today then.
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rofl dropbear.
"every game i plau with sandroba he makes plan day 1 everyone sez stfu"
pure gold.
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SINANI206
On July 26 2011 10:13 Nisani201 wrote:BC is suspicious, but not just for trying to avoid an alignment check. This post I found particularly scummy: Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What, the fuck is this shit? Multiple day 1 claims? people already lying. Day vig already shooting? The fuck is this shit. Purely for knowing better, and combination of a townie role designed around killing another player Jackal is now up for lynch.
Before anyone one goes "lets slow down here" He outright lied about his role, and we know based on a role flip that ON had a statement saying he was out to kill harry potter. As such the two should be opposite alignment, or at the very least, HP third party. As such he dies. We do not keep liars around, we do not keep people around who are on a quest to find bullshit items.
Also whoever made my role, go die in a fire.
##vote jackal58
The above post was extremely uninformed and looked like it was trying to start a bandwagon. That, in addition to the reasons I stated earlier in this post, I think that BC is the best lynch. ##Vote: Bloodyc0bbler
this post is suss now
what other reasons derp. uninformed? what you talking bout boyyyy
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008¤tpage=81#1616 big omgus when sandy wasnt even talking to him. conscionce must be hurtin
no post bout jackal at all at any point. never even mention his name.
so much one liners quoting others not saying nothing
I don't like this guy
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lol, that penalty 
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i am tired will do kitaman tmoro
hes probably evil though he always ruins my plans
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my penalty is not use power on same guy twice in a row
im actaully drunk lol
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On July 29 2011 05:52 DropBear wrote:SINANI206Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 10:13 Nisani201 wrote:BC is suspicious, but not just for trying to avoid an alignment check. This post I found particularly scummy: On July 25 2011 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What, the fuck is this shit? Multiple day 1 claims? people already lying. Day vig already shooting? The fuck is this shit. Purely for knowing better, and combination of a townie role designed around killing another player Jackal is now up for lynch.
Before anyone one goes "lets slow down here" He outright lied about his role, and we know based on a role flip that ON had a statement saying he was out to kill harry potter. As such the two should be opposite alignment, or at the very least, HP third party. As such he dies. We do not keep liars around, we do not keep people around who are on a quest to find bullshit items.
Also whoever made my role, go die in a fire.
##vote jackal58
The above post was extremely uninformed and looked like it was trying to start a bandwagon. That, in addition to the reasons I stated earlier in this post, I think that BC is the best lynch. ##Vote: Bloodyc0bbler this post is suss now what other reasons derp. uninformed? what you talking bout boyyyy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245008¤tpage=81#1616 big omgus when sandy wasnt even talking to him. conscionce must be hurtin no post bout jackal at all at any point. never even mention his name. so much one liners quoting others not saying nothing I don't like this guy
lol, I realized the mistake against sandroba and unvoted him.
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I don't entirely blame nisani for misreading Sandroba's comments. It can be fairly difficult to tell who he is speaking to.
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On July 29 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:Of course I care who we lynch. There's no reason for me not to care. It's just, everyone else seems to think people are scum and I don't think those people are scum. x.x
So then who do you think is scum?
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
Right I've caught back up ( Again )
Foolishness actually comes across as a great lynch in my eyes he is doing the same thing as I did in WaW2 - Faking a posting restriction.
I can't remember who said it but basically they referred to me as a distraction, someone who was only there to disrupt the game the best they could and then go out in a blaze of glory. Even though I was town in that game the only reason scum kept me around is because I would of been a great lynch for them. Foolishness could be doing the same tactic but as scum. The argument is very wifom but he isn't someone I'd like to keep in the game ( Especially since I lost town the game thanks to this )
Since my vote can be manipulated ill be voting for him until one of his scum buddies ( Or kurumi ) votes for me.
##Vote: Foolishness
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On July 29 2011 07:14 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 04:28 Lanaia wrote:On July 29 2011 03:31 sandroba wrote:
That was directed at you. Of course I care who we lynch. There's no reason for me not to care. It's just, everyone else seems to think people are scum and I don't think those people are scum. x.x So then who do you think is scum?
At this moment, I'm not sure anymore. I'm rereading to try and find something, but I'm having trouble finding anything at this moment.
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