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On July 26 2011 01:36 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 01:33 Kurumi wrote:
YOU CAN'T LYNCH THE BANK SILLY GOOSE!
I will make every vote to vote on myself or on a lurker. I need a vigi shot to kill creator of my role...
...what is this I don't even....
He means that his ability won't activate until the creator of his role is killed, which is a pretty good idea for a role that might be good later on.
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On July 26 2011 01:59 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 01:57 sandroba wrote:
Not really. Assuming DB is town, which I think he is, they couldn't be certain that he would reveal who got the Tim role. supersoft was basically cornered into shooting whoever shot YM, to prove he wasn't lying. Maybe they indeed did not think things through, but a more plausible explanation is that they are both mafia. It's not certain, but it explains things better than "mafia is dumb". It's worth keeping him around for DT checks anyway. If he's not mafia he's going to get shot eventually or confirm half the town. Hmm. But if he is mafia we can't trust his checks at all. I hadn't thought of things from that angle, so it's semi possible he could be scum. If he is, his DT power is useless because it would be so easy to lie about it. However, it depends on whether decon would post it publicly or PM supersoft. I'm guessing it would be PM'ed to soft, in which case he would have no trouble lying
The second he starts lying we axe him.
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Srsly if this town ends up lynching bc I'm gonna do a video facepalm to alll the morons who voted bc out of nowhere vs a clearly justified policy lynch
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On July 26 2011 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 12:37 Mig wrote:
So right now the only thing anyone knows about you is that you want jackal lynched based on role flavor, you like to argue game mechanics and you do not want SS to check you. You said several times in the 10 page argument that it should be obvious that you are town. How exactly can anyone know you are town? You haven't done an analysis on a single person the entire game. And now that I ask for information you deny it, claiming you will make a case against someone once you find one scummy enough. You are more than willing to spend a lot of time defending yourself but I don't see you doing any scum hunting or even discussing any of jackal's recent behavior or the arguments people like syllo made defending him. Did you not notice how i mentioned earlier I was willing to swap to someone I felt better about but hadn't yet? No that would require you reading my posts. However, the game is about catching scum, not about someone giving their opinion on who feels more town than another player, or who feels slightly scummier than x. Without more information its like randomly drawing a bad choice from a selection of meh choices. How many people in this game are even talking? How many are even weighing in on the conversation at hand, who has outright dodged comments directed at them? I am fairly transparent where it matters. The game is not lets find townies, its lets find red. As of now I don't have any strong enough reads to properly push a lynch target. This is an issue that has been stated multiple times by multiple people. You only list off people you are confident enough at the time to lynch, not randomly spout names.
Are you serious? What more against Jackal do you need?
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On July 26 2011 13:28 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 06:14 supersoft wrote:On July 26 2011 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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How contradictory. You think that having SS use his rolecheck is rewarding him (not town, just him) for roleclaiming, but then say we should wait for another DT to check supersoft to confirm him as town or not. Here's how that fails:
-Framers
-Fake DT claim to take out Day DT
-Continual Role block after today on SS
-Having to have an actual DT claim to confirm him
So, you don't want to reward roleclaimers, but then want another DT to claim to confirm a known DT, who's alignment is unknown? That makes no sense at all.
The best thing to do, is to use his check, and have him announce his result to town. The catch is we don't act just based on his check. We can check a lynch candidate if we want, but that gets dangerous if he's scum, though another 1-1 trade wouldn't be that bad. The other thing we do is check someone suspicious, who isn't necessarily getting lynched today and having him announce his check, and just leave it until we can confirm him. Then if he gets popped, we know all his checks and results, and if we can act on them, and if he gets confirmed another way, well we know all his results too.
I'd actually suggest checking you or DB, and then leaving it for now.
As well, why would we check people asking to be checked, and why would anyone be dumb enough to ask for a DT check on them without already being suspicious anyways? If they're asking to be checked, they're town or a covered role. Town wouldn't want to waste a DT check on themselves, as compared to suspicious people. Use the tool to hunt mafia, not to confirm town. An innocent check doesn't prove innocence, but the only way we're getting a red check back at this point is millers or a day-framer. Day 1 has the least chance of anything interfering with the check, and is the best time to use it. I'd rather have 1 check in, than have none and SS gets shot tonight. Check the bolded part. In almost every case of someone asking or begging for a dt check they are town or covered role. Most people do this to confirm themselves and thus starting a blue circle that can rofl stomp mafia. It is very common practice for people to want to be cleared as to move through a game with 0 harassment from anyone. No mafia would willingly throw himself up for a dt check as it would screw him in the end. You say no townie would want it used on them, but that would again, leave you a pool of 0 people to check. you are then down to the idea of "we want you checked you let yourself get checked or lynched" which is a horrible way to play. Seriously, you all are talking about role use being the huge factor in catching people. I now say, everyone go back read pick your power 3 and realize playing lets analyze roles, or someones role means they are legit, etc.... and realize roles do not say shit about the players alignment. Who cares if SS's check is an alignment check if you don't know his alignment. Have a watcher/tracker check him. If he visits anyone at night at this point in time he is mafia. have a dt check him. Dt's could breadcrumb results, or the like. Seriously, before a plan is proposed you sort it out, you make it ideal, you account for multiple situations. So far the only situation proposed by you lot is SS is likely town for shooting a red. Likely town does not mean town. What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one? The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense? Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me. In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not. By giving him a check we give legitmacy over time to his supposed alignment. Say he is mafia, he checks kita, kita flips town, he gives us a town. That makes him look better as he complied to the check. Say both kita and SS are red, he says kita is town it still gives both a look of legitmacy. One for complying for the check. Its subtle and its insidious. Someone who is not confirmed you do not let slowly insinuate they are. Had you guys outlined you planned on trusting his check with a grain of salt I would be less worried than i am now. Of course we'd take it with a grain of salt, I'm taking everything in this game with a grain of salt, because if I trusted everything I read, I'd be pretty silly. That's also why I'm saying we can also check people who aren't major lynch targets yet, and then just ignore the results until someone else confirms SS, he gets shot by mafia, or we even flip him ourselves with a vig. Now I am seeing the first person with some sense -_-. Wiggles, go back and originally read the use of his role and you will see NO ONE advocated what you did just now. You will see it otherwise and should realize my discontent. What you just proposed is more cautious than everything else in relation to using his role to this point. hey bc, wanna check? Bc ignored this post. Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:38 Curu wrote:
You don't know if he suffered his penalty or not Wiggles. It might just be he's roleblocked for tonight, who knows.
BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? Nope. As much as being confirmed town benefits town as a whole, it gets me shot by third party / mafia or some asshole townie who thinks they are being a hero. Instead I will risk getting shot anyway, but the likelyhood of a third party shot or red goes down whereas the option of a townie shooting me is higher. Any med with half a brain will realize I have been trying to make people think and not be stupid and might protect me. Then posts this. K so if he inspects you you will be confirmed town, but increases the chance to be shot at by scum/blacks. Then you say that you would like medic protection, surely if you are confirmed town you are more likely to get medic protection? Quote supersoft so you can be alignment checked. If you keep ignoring this issue then i will get you lynched.
Lol you want to force BC to be role checked which has NOTHING to do with the events of Day 1, YET Jackal [Harry Fucking Potter] gets to go without posting since the idea of having Dropbear claim. Once that happens Jackals posting completely stops. Weird huh?
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On July 26 2011 13:57 Lanaia wrote:
Do we have any idea how many scum we have?
I hate it when I see two people who are basically at each other's throats and I think they are both town. (EX. Wiggles and BC)
I think BC should stop being so stubborn.
I think we should all get off Jackal's wagon.
I think you're scum but that's for tomorrow.
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On July 26 2011 21:26 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 13:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:On July 26 2011 13:28 redFF wrote:On July 26 2011 06:14 supersoft wrote:On July 26 2011 06:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On July 26 2011 05:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 05:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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What? So, instead of using a check, and just leaving it, until we have a second DT out themselves or breadcrumb and die, you're saying never use the check? Did I understand that correctly? Please tell me how what you're trying to say is optimal play. How is not having a check better than having one?
The only situation proposed by you, is that we don't use the check at all. That's asking a claimed and outed DT to not check people or reveal his checks, until another DT checks him. In what world does that make sense?
Ask yourself how you would play this out in a normal game. If a DT claimed, would you ask him to not check anyone until another DT checked him and claimed it? That sounds really dumb to me. In a normal game, on day 1, if someone claimed dt and said x was red, I would kill the dt first. Every time. In a setup where mafia, third parties, or town can be a dt, I will never trust the claimant ever on day 1. Nor should anyone else. Ok, so where's the part where we're trusting him by having him use a check on an agreed upon target? That's what I'm wondering about. You're saying that by letting him check, we're implicitly trusting him to be town, but that is not the case. We can let him sit in unconfirmed limbo for now, but why not use his check? It doesn't hurt us to use his check, the same way that killing the DT actually tells us whether the check is true or not. By giving him a check we give legitmacy over time to his supposed alignment. Say he is mafia, he checks kita, kita flips town, he gives us a town. That makes him look better as he complied to the check. Say both kita and SS are red, he says kita is town it still gives both a look of legitmacy. One for complying for the check. Its subtle and its insidious. Someone who is not confirmed you do not let slowly insinuate they are. Had you guys outlined you planned on trusting his check with a grain of salt I would be less worried than i am now. Of course we'd take it with a grain of salt, I'm taking everything in this game with a grain of salt, because if I trusted everything I read, I'd be pretty silly. That's also why I'm saying we can also check people who aren't major lynch targets yet, and then just ignore the results until someone else confirms SS, he gets shot by mafia, or we even flip him ourselves with a vig. Now I am seeing the first person with some sense -_-. Wiggles, go back and originally read the use of his role and you will see NO ONE advocated what you did just now. You will see it otherwise and should realize my discontent. What you just proposed is more cautious than everything else in relation to using his role to this point. hey bc, wanna check? Bc ignored this post. On July 26 2011 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On July 26 2011 06:38 Curu wrote:
You don't know if he suffered his penalty or not Wiggles. It might just be he's roleblocked for tonight, who knows.
BC, would you submit to having supersoft check you? Nope. As much as being confirmed town benefits town as a whole, it gets me shot by third party / mafia or some asshole townie who thinks they are being a hero. Instead I will risk getting shot anyway, but the likelyhood of a third party shot or red goes down whereas the option of a townie shooting me is higher. Any med with half a brain will realize I have been trying to make people think and not be stupid and might protect me. Then posts this. K so if he inspects you you will be confirmed town, but increases the chance to be shot at by scum/blacks. Then you say that you would like medic protection, surely if you are confirmed town you are more likely to get medic protection? Quote supersoft so you can be alignment checked. If you keep ignoring this issue then i will get you lynched. Lol you want to force BC to be role checked which has NOTHING to do with the events of Day 1, YET Jackal [Harry Fucking Potter] gets to go without posting since the idea of having Dropbear claim. Once that happens Jackals posting completely stops. Weird huh? Ya it is. Work happened. I had to go to Juarez Mexico to rescue one of our aircraft that was loaded with car parts and broken. It happens. That's part of my job. If I can't walk the flight crew through a fix I go and fix it for them. I just got back to the shop. I've been gone for about 20 hours. I'm going home to get some food and some sleep. If you want to lynch me for having a job feel free. Right now I don't really fucking care. BC and Amber are the two scummiest people in this game. But you all want to lynch me because ON flipped town. I had nothing to do with his role, his alignmen,t his death, or his flip but I'm fucking guilty because I thought I was preventing town from making a mistake. Lynch me. Don't care. Derps. I'll be back later.
Scum.
Get checked by Supersoft or ask for a replacement if you're going to come back with excuses about work. I missed 2 lynches in AA because my work schedule doesn't allow me to post at 9 PM but at least I tried to justify every action I made [as scum too].
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On July 26 2011 23:53 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 23:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:Scum.
Get checked by Supersoft or ask for a replacement if you're going to come back with excuses about work. I missed 2 lynches in AA because my work schedule doesn't allow me to post at 9 PM but at least I tried to justify every action I made [as scum too]. Get over yourself. Why don't you get checked by SS. Your only reason for calling me scum is ON flipped town. Show me anything anywhere that I have posted that pushes a scum agienda. Show me. Link it, quote it. Don't care just show me. You have nothing but what you perceive as a free lynch. You push it without any reason at all. You just say scum. That's how scum play. You get checked scummy.
You should get checked to confirm your alignment in the Harry Potter world. Your being defensive, and your lack of "catching up" in the thread is pretty obvious. You haven't bothered to post about anything except things I post. Look at your own history. It's pretty hilarious.
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Bah that 2nd post was not supposed to happen, sorry :/***
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On July 27 2011 02:01 sandroba wrote:
Can people get behind this plan:
We check Jackal58. If he turns up green we pimp him up with items.
We lynch Drazerk who is useless and trolling.
Yah this needs to happen, or else Jackal should hang.
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Who has the elder wand now? Does it get removed from play ?
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On July 27 2011 09:36 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 09:16 Curu wrote:
Jackal that's terrible. If you're Town then at least try, contribute, whatever. if you can't because of time please ask for a replacement. I have time unless it happens again. In the 20 or so games I've played here this is the second time it's happened. Nobody even noticed it the first time. My last post was made at the same time it was suggested that I get DT checked by SS. I never saw it until this morning. And then I was just pissed at the Amber tunnel. Then I went to sleep. And I did contribute. You guys want to kill me because of it. I'm sure that even with my absence I have more posts of substance than half the people in this game.
Sometimes you need to be a pretentious asshole to get ahead in these games. We need to shove some players around to twist ourselves out of this Day 1 fail lynch. Don't take it personally but your Day 1 play was incredibly suspicious.
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On July 28 2011 06:20 Kurumi wrote:
Amber I would like You to claim number You've got this night.
well.. lurkers need to get executed.. amber is one of them..
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I have a strong feeling that I was targeted last night, not wiggles. I don't know if be caught what I was up to. I did see yours kurumi 
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On July 28 2011 07:05 sandroba wrote:
Acording to Wiggles role, both him + whoever he protected got hit last night.
I bet it was me then. Check my last post at night and compare it with his role pm
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Who else do you think they would Target? I was on jackals case all day yesterday.
BTW I activated my penalty ;/
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I think were at 3 me dropbear and drazerk
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Wow syllogism is going to be checked and ss dies?
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