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sandroba
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July 10 2011 12:20 GMT
#26
Ok, I'm /in. Couldn't resist playing with chezinu again.
sandroba
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July 11 2011 22:54 GMT
#63
Can a testament be a financial instrument?
sandroba
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July 12 2011 18:56 GMT
#139
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 18:56 GMT
#140
EBWOP: ninja'ed, I was refering to nisani's post.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 19:22 GMT
#148
Care to explain palmar? Are you trying to feign agressiviness by FoS'ing literally everyone so far?
sandroba
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July 12 2011 19:35 GMT
#151
1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch
2) I'm not defending Radfield

That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 20:24 GMT
#180
OK, players I refuse to lynch day1 this game are
myself =)
syllogism
radfield
gmarshal

Everyone else is fair game. I'm liking ON as scum, he's making bland posts and not commiting, while soft pushing me as scum.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 20:34 GMT
#184
Ok, I no longer think kurumi is scum. I like ON and Nisani as scum better.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 20:45 GMT
#190
On the contrary, I'm not OMGUS because you did not "push" for me, you instead sugested other players to do it for you, while providing no reasoning.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 22:15 GMT
#198
Ok, I'm convinced Nisani is scum.
##Vote: Nisani201
sandroba
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July 12 2011 22:28 GMT
#201
What reasons a townie has for making this post you just made?
1) You are acknowlodging the scumminess in your first post, while contradicting yourself. You say the reason people think it's scummy is because of the lack of confidense, but you seem pretty confident in lynching Radfield on your first post. Your meek tone and the overreaction points to inherent guilt.
2) Your uncalled for list of reads. You are not pushing anyone. You are not trying to get info. The only reason for that list is to share your reads to look good. No one asked you for it yet, but you feel compeled to clear yourself before any more suspicion arise. Again, inherent guilt.
sandroba
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July 12 2011 22:43 GMT
#207
Town's job is not to please people, that's scum's job. Town's job is to find and kill scum.
sandroba
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July 14 2011 02:18 GMT
#311
Prooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
sandroba
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July 14 2011 02:29 GMT
#318
Jackal I got my eyes on you.
sandroba
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July 14 2011 09:28 GMT
#328
Chaos, you better kill me otherwise you are dead tomorrow =P
sandroba
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July 15 2011 01:28 GMT
#397
Okay people, I changed my mind. We should lynch ON/Chezinu tomorrow.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 01:39 GMT
#399
@Chaos13 Just one thing. Why did you not use the mines yourself instead of trying to sell them? You had enough money for 3 mines and so why not just place the mines yourself and try to kill scum instead of giving scum the oportunity to influence where they get placed? Trying to sell them to whoever was not pro-town in the slightest.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 02:10 GMT
#400
When is the day post btw?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 02:41 GMT
#405
I was roleblocked last night.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 03:19 GMT
#412
Chezinu is scum. There are two different kinds of trolling by chezinu. The completely useless one, when he only posts unhelpfull funny nonsense (see PYPI) and the one which he actively looks for mafia in a troll like fashion (see CCM and that other old game he was DT, forgot which).
This game it's pretty obvious which one that is.
Now let's look at chez actions: He claimed to have started the wagon against nisani, but that is false and an atempt to buy cred. I made the analysis and voted for him first. He then unvoted nisani out of the blue when he was close to getting lynched, possibly lynching Radfield. Radfield is very likely not scum, by occam's razor.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 03:33 GMT
#415
Don't care. From what I gather you sent only troll pms so far. If someone received any relevant pms from chezinu pls claim. The ones I know about including mine where completely irrelevant to the game.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 04:52 GMT
#419
Chezinu, do you claim to have taken a hit? Where does all that info come from ON? Your blind faith in all this trollage makes me believe he is mafia and thus Chezinu must not.
Anyway, Chezinu as sk does make sense. I imagine jackal planted chaos13's bomb between kurumi and Chezinu. Chezinu kills kurumi to incriminate radfield as sk. kurumi dies and chezinu survives the bomb hit due to vest.
Can Jackal pls confirm this theory?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 05:12 GMT
#421
LSB, does the testaments get charged even if the person dies? If so how much? Did you charge it correctly?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#425
Sorry, I don't want to waste my time trying to figure out what might or not be there. If you have town's best interest why not spell it out already?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#426
By leaving what you really mean to someone else's interpretation you can never be held accountable for anything. Nice strategy.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 09:29 GMT
#430
Can you tell what an item does when you hold it?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 10:21 GMT
#433
Radfield, you must give your bat to jackal or get lynched today. =)
sandroba
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July 15 2011 10:34 GMT
#436
Also Radfield, there's no argument about this, we have enough votes to get you lynch no matter what, so if you want to live give up the bat =P
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:10 GMT
#482
Also how exactly nisani suddenly discovered you had this role? Did you consider him townie enough to pm him so he could use your vault?
I don't think you are lying about your role btw. This role is great for mafia so they get to transfer their items before they get lynched.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:18 GMT
#492
##Vote:OriginalName
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:19 GMT
#495
@ON can you answer my post?
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:27 GMT
#499
I'm asking how did he discover you were a vault.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:38 GMT
#503
Quite good explanation you got there. Explains everything. Suspicion cleared!








j/k
sandroba
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July 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#504
Also another extremelly funny bit. Nisani knowing that you were townie and he was going to flip red decided to blindly trust you and give you half his money. Makes a lot of sense too.
sandroba
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July 15 2011 17:01 GMT
#508
cuz he's town?
sandroba
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July 16 2011 15:44 GMT
#555
Yo rad, did you fake claim to gm earlier in the game?
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:06 GMT
#558
Can you check your pm's with him? I think I remember talking to GM about this and he told me you only had money.
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:08 GMT
#559
How does that lie make sense for a pgo btw?
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:13 GMT
#561
Did the contract for the bat with jackal got aproved already?
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:14 GMT
#562
LOL, wouldn't you just fucking kill the thief in that case? Nice Radfield, really nice.
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:21 GMT
#565
No I'm saying you are mafia roleblocker =P
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:27 GMT
#569
Nope. I'll just take your bat and lynch you tomorrow =)
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:29 GMT
#572
Well, we knew that already.
sandroba
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July 16 2011 16:46 GMT
#576
hahahaha
sandroba
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July 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#585
Yup, you are dead. Radfield is soon to follow so you don't feel alone =)
sandroba
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July 17 2011 07:23 GMT
#624
Ok, I resent all the reference to palmar cuz it was clearly all me.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:28 GMT
#634
Jackal, look at day1. If Radfield wasn't scum, ON would vote for him instead of nisani, don't you think? ON saved his vote for very late in the day, he was unhappy with both options. Radfield the same, I tried to persuade him to vote for nisani many times through pm, but always got the answer that he thought he was town. Instead he tried to make a last minute wagon on you, for very poor reasons at that point. Come'on you are unhappy with nisani lynch and instead you try to random lynch jackal day1 as town? How much sense does that make?
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:37 GMT
#642
Radfield, even if you really have the role you claim, there's simply no way you are town this game. You played very suspicious day one for a townie with that role. You were begginng for a DT check / Vig shot. If you had this role as town, I'm 100% positive you would play it very differently. So either way, lying about your role or not you are still mafia.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:40 GMT
#645
On July 17 2011 23:36 Palmar wrote:
Actually, here is an interesting idea.

Radfield claims PGO - veteran, but jackal now has his bat, so jackal has become the PGO.

That leaves Radfield as Veteran.

And Kavdragon claims to be a hitman contractor, he can hit people whenever he feels like it, even daytime, by spending 1.5 million.

You guys see where I'm going with this?

We pay Kavdragon tomorrow for shooting Radfield. Confirms both their claims!


Except that I don't care about what those claims are at all. Remember that mafia suposedly have a BP vest and a DT cloak. That means that rad would survive the shot either way, telling the truth or not.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:44 GMT
#649
I really think we should save kav for last. He has the least chance of not being town imo.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:46 GMT
#651
paranoid gun owner. It's a role that kills everyone who visits you at night.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 14:46 GMT
#653
Or the first person depends on the setup I guess.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 15:39 GMT
#656
Nope you got it wrong.
The reasons I think you are scum are the following:

1) You decided to play "different" in the game you got that PGO role. That doesn't make sense as town. I know you and you play to win. You could have easely drawn a mafia shot night1 by posting your standart, but instead you do "different" shit and that would obviously lead to town suspicion. Also Idc who told you to not claim in the thread night 1. At that point, if you were town, you had no way of knowing for sure palmar wasn't mafia. Claiming that shit just to him when tons of suspicion were on you already makes no sense as town. If you had town's best interest in mind you would either drop your bat or claim in thread, neither of which you did. That's not even considering how stupid that role of yours is for a townie Radfield (apologies to lsb if I'm somehow wrong about this). Also your role and behaviour fits nicely with the items mafia suposedly has. You wanted a DT check to clear you: mafia has a DT cloak. You wanted to be shot to confirm you: mafia has a BP vest. I got rb'ed last night: you had a bat.

2) You have no info yet you blind trust palmar and give jackal your bat.

3) Your behaviour day1, as I explained in previous posts. In this game we could be at lylo day2. It's way worse for scum to lose an important player day1 than to suposedly look suspicous day2. ON saved his vote for very late into the day. He wasn't happy with either lynch, but he voted for nisani to save you. You also were not happy with nisani's lynch, you tryed to switch the lynch to jackal late in the day. I pm'ed you multiple times to convince you nisani was scum and you didn't want to lynch him anyway. Your reasoning for pushing the lynch to jackal at that point was terrible. Even if you weren't sure that nisani was scum you couldn't possibly be more sure that jackal was. You know that discussing a player to death day1, just to random switch to another player at the last minute is terrible for town. It produces no information and at that point, even if somehow you thought nisani wasn't scum, you know that last minute switch to jackal is a bad idea.

4) It's the easiest way to explain everything that happened so far in the game, for many reasons.

5) I got plenty more but I think this should be enough. =P
sandroba
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July 17 2011 15:59 GMT
#659
That's a ridiculous thing to point out, it means nothing.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 16:37 GMT
#671
Yup, clearly palmar is scum and his plan is to join forces with town this game and get all his team lynched.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 16:38 GMT
#673
What kind of nonsense are you talking about? The thread is really straight up and we've been right about most things so far =P
sandroba
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July 17 2011 16:39 GMT
#674
ok chez we know you are sk =P
sandroba
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July 17 2011 16:41 GMT
#677
who said I am dt. maybe I am just vt who knows.
sandroba
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July 17 2011 17:35 GMT
#695
Yeah, I thought that we only had to kill mafia to win too, I pm'ed LSB about it and he told me otherwise. I asked him to add it to the OP, but I guess he never did. Those are not the standard rules for town to win as far as I know.
sandroba
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July 18 2011 03:11 GMT
#711
lol
##Vote:Chezinu
sandroba
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July 18 2011 03:13 GMT
#713
Nope, I keep ma money under ma bed.
sandroba
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July 18 2011 07:17 GMT
#725
##Unvote
to prevent shenanigans
sandroba
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July 18 2011 13:43 GMT
#726
##Vote: Chezinu
sandroba
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July 18 2011 14:43 GMT
#728
we need 2 more votes =P
sandroba
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July 18 2011 21:48 GMT
#753
Whatever happened to the night post?
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:22 GMT
#767
wut? seriously what the fuck?
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:26 GMT
#770
Fuck, turns out I was right about jackal day1 lol. Goddammit palmar =P
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:27 GMT
#771
On July 19 2011 08:25 syllogism wrote:
and I thought it weird Palmar wasn't keeping Jackal up to date on things

Yup, jackal sent me a lot of pms today asking shit he was supposed to know already. Well at least palmar kept him in the dark =)
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:38 GMT
#774
The setup was very interesting, but heavilly town favored imo.
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:41 GMT
#777
hmm yeah, but my role and radfield's role were way too OP imo.
sandroba
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July 18 2011 23:44 GMT
#778
This game also had an inevitable snowball effect due to traitors on both sides that could win with either team. Whoever got the early advantage would win most of the time.
sandroba
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July 19 2011 00:11 GMT
#785
@curu
I got really suspicious of jackal after the lynch day1, but palmar told me they were both mansons, and in my mind they were either both mafia or both town, the later being far more likely, since mafia wouldn't tie toghether like that, especially with an sk on the loose. After ON got lynched and flipped mafia, that only further confirmed both.
sandroba
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July 19 2011 00:17 GMT
#788
They knew it from the start. Palmar was willing to lie to save jackal day2.
sandroba
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July 19 2011 00:22 GMT
#793
I'm really surprised at you both. I never thought cross dressing was really Palmar's thing, nor thought that Jackal would be so into it. Not that there's anything wrong with that =O
sandroba
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July 19 2011 00:23 GMT
#794
Oh, that's so cool! Props to both of you.
sandroba
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July 19 2011 06:58 GMT
#810
Nope, they definitively do not make any more sense =P
sandroba
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July 19 2011 13:57 GMT
#814
Hey LSB I'm by no means bashing on your setup, it was really cool indeed =). I just think that tonning down the roles a bit will make it far easier to balance. Anyway those roles were awesome and props to you for putting this toghether!
Cheers.
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