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heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
July 12 2011 19:02 GMT
#141
In a game this small I think we have to lynch someone suspicious, not necessarily rad. Lynching a lurker will give us very little information to work on and the lurker still has a good chance of flipping town.

Also Kurumi lemme guess your equipment:

1. standard issue butterfly knife
2. electro sapper

Am I close? What's up with the picture?
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
July 12 2011 19:02 GMT
#142
On July 13 2011 03:50 GMarshal wrote:
LSB, can I make an escrow account with LSB Bot that will hold all my PM's until I die and then publish them in the thread? Obviously its my responsibility to make sure LSB bot *has* the PM's but is it doable?

I don't see why the service is necessarily needed for LSB Banking to preform. I can think of an alternative, and I'd prefer the alternative.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
July 12 2011 19:03 GMT
#143
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.
Enjoy your day.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 12 2011 19:08 GMT
#144
On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.

Ace said this once, in my first game, and while I disagreed with him then I agree with him now.

"Kill people who aren't going to help you win"

Lurkers are serving as bait for mafia in lylo and dragging us down. We need to exterminate them like the vermin they are.
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OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
July 12 2011 19:09 GMT
#145
On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.


While this is true in theory, it should be based on such a thing as a Lurker who is posting fairly town or a lurker with weak opinions. We obviously lynch the lurker with weak opinions if there is a person we are on the fence about, that way we can buy ourselves time to look at the scummy active player who may turn out to be town and have solid scumreads for the remainder of the game.
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
July 12 2011 19:10 GMT
#146
On July 13 2011 04:08 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.



"Kill people who aren't going to help you win"




This is the number one rule of Mafia end of story.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 12 2011 19:15 GMT
#147
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.


This is the most scummy thing I've read in this thread yet.

But I agree with you on Kurumi.
Computer says mafia
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 12 2011 19:22 GMT
#148
Care to explain palmar? Are you trying to feign agressiviness by FoS'ing literally everyone so far?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 12 2011 19:27 GMT
#149
Don't act stupid, cause you aren't.

Everyone knows that we'll default to lynching lurkers, but with over 30 hours remaining in day one there is no reason to defend anyone like you just defended Radfield. Let him answer for himself.

There were several good reasons for attacking him. Yes, Nisani is being a bit derp, but that's no reason to completely stop the attack against Radfield.
Computer says mafia
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
July 12 2011 19:33 GMT
#150
Oh yeah, I'll try to be on IRC as long as possible. I'll hang around #tlmafia on quakenet
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 12 2011 19:35 GMT
#151
1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch
2) I'm not defending Radfield

That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
July 12 2011 19:36 GMT
#152
On July 13 2011 04:35 sandroba wrote:
1) I'm not advocating a lurker lynch
2) I'm not defending Radfield

That said he does not strike me as scummy and I would rather we pressure really scummy people like kurumi and nisani.

You aren't advocating a lurker lynch?

Why not?

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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 12 2011 19:39 GMT
#153
On July 13 2011 04:02 heist wrote:
In a game this small I think we have to lynch someone suspicious, not necessarily rad. Lynching a lurker will give us very little information to work on and the lurker still has a good chance of flipping town.

Also Kurumi lemme guess your equipment:

1. standard issue butterfly knife
2. electro sapper

Am I close? What's up with the picture?

The picture itself was just to make You say "Gentlemen" in Spy's voice, nothing else.
Also I love how people stumble by, say I am die hard trying to contribute, but I don't and just leave it here.
I like the ON-Radfield link. Sandroba is die hard on lynching me or Nisani without much evidence - he just ties us and calls us scummy, prefers lurker lynch instead of Radfield lynch, soft-defends Radfield.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
July 12 2011 19:40 GMT
#154
...
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 12 2011 19:40 GMT
#155
EDWOP:
By "I like the ON-Radfield link" I meant that we gather more and more information in case of Radfield lynch.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
July 12 2011 19:42 GMT
#156
On July 13 2011 04:39 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 04:02 heist wrote:
In a game this small I think we have to lynch someone suspicious, not necessarily rad. Lynching a lurker will give us very little information to work on and the lurker still has a good chance of flipping town.

Also Kurumi lemme guess your equipment:

1. standard issue butterfly knife
2. electro sapper

Am I close? What's up with the picture?

The picture itself was just to make You say "Gentlemen" in Spy's voice, nothing else.
Also I love how people stumble by, say I am die hard trying to contribute, but I don't and just leave it here.
I like the ON-Radfield link. Sandroba is die hard on lynching me or Nisani without much evidence - he just ties us and calls us scummy, prefers lurker lynch instead of Radfield lynch, soft-defends Radfield.


So I'm calling you out on tunneling a bad lynch explain why its a bad lynch and then state im "linked" to him as another scum suspect.

Kurumi, why are you unable to see other options in this scenario.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 12 2011 19:46 GMT
#157
Wait, You called Radfield lynch bad because he is a good player and it is highly likely that he will die N1 anyway? What's that bullshit? He might be a good player but it is not going to scare me, I think his behaviour was suspicious.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
July 12 2011 19:47 GMT
#158
On July 13 2011 01:08 Kurumi wrote:
Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction.


Lets not be silly. What I said in regards to both those points make perfect sense unless you are trying to nit-pick my posts to make me look bad.
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 13 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:
On July 12 2011 22:42 chaos13 wrote:
On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:
Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest?

I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested.


But most importantly:
Who wants to sell me an RPG

It's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun


So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list.



yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.

As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.

As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me.


This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.


Smells like role fishing to me.


Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2011 01:50 Kurumi wrote:
Guys, are we going for inactive lynch or scummiest person lynch Day 1?
Also Radfield smells worse and worse for me..
PM trap without good enough skills (thanks Palmar)
Role fishing (thanks Jackal58)
Contradiction about BP (possible trap for future?)
Wanted to buy:
BP
Votes (said it was a trap)
RPG


Great play by play. Glad to know I've been pegged as scum after 4 posts. At which point did I smell bad, and then go to smelling worse exactly? Post 3? Post 4? I'm genuinely interested in where the tipping point was for you Kurumi. Also, lol at 'PM trap without good enough skills"

The reason I'm bad at PM games, is because too much happens behind the scenes. I excel when presented with information, and my ability to sift through that info. However, with PM games most of the important info goes on without me seeing it, which kinda makes things less fun. Also, I tend to not bother PMing people in PM games, which is something I'm trying to remedy. It's not that I can't use PMs, the problem is that I typically don't.


On July 13 2011 04:08 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 04:03 Nisani201 wrote:
On July 13 2011 03:56 sandroba wrote:
Hello everyone. I don't like the post above one bit. Lynching a lurker is about 27 times better than lynching rad day 1 and you say you are not sure, but he seems like a good lynch? Huh? How does that make any sense?

Also kurumi is suspicious for being a try hard, but saying nothing useful. Nisani for the above post AND for suporting kurumi.

Lynching lurkers might seem like a good idea in a large game, but in a small game like this I wouldn't recommend it. Lurkers almost always end up being Town aligned. And that lost townie, even if he's a lurker, carries a lot of weight because we can't let the Mafia outnumber us. In a normal game, a single lurker doesn't matter as much in terms of quantity.

Ace said this once, in my first game, and while I disagreed with him then I agree with him now.

"Kill people who aren't going to help you win"

Lurkers are serving as bait for mafia in lylo and dragging us down. We need to exterminate them like the vermin they are.



The idea of killing a 'lurker' is not a sound one. Killing someone who you think is scummy is almost always a better play in my mind. Now, if someone is lurking and seems like they're trying to fly under the radar, then absolutely they should be lynched, not because they are lurking however, but because what they are doing is fundamentally scummy. And you lynch someone because they are scummy. So yes, killing a lurker is fine, as long as your doing it because you think they are scum.

The real power of the Day 1 lynch is to get everyone's votes down on paper. If you vote for a player who is inactive on Day 1, the mafia will be more than happy to jump on board, and town learns absolutely nothing from Day 1 because the mafia all had clear cut reasons to vote. However, if you lynch someone who's actually playing the game, that forces mafia to come out in the open and make up an opinion and LIE about why they think that player is scum. If you are lynching a townie day 1, every mafia player has to make up some crap post about why they think that player is scummy, and that's how you find mafia.

OriginalName
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada1140 Posts
July 12 2011 19:48 GMT
#159
On July 13 2011 04:46 Kurumi wrote:
Wait, You called Radfield lynch bad because he is a good player and it is highly likely that he will die N1 anyway? What's that bullshit? He might be a good player but it is not going to scare me, I think his behaviour was suspicious.


And there are other people who are behaving suspicous, IE Sandroba so take some energy and look over other suspects at the same time. Having an alternative in case yaknow HES NOT SCUM, is a great intiative.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#160
On July 13 2011 04:47 Radfield wrote:
Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.

To ensure that everybody saw it and was aware of it. Most people I've ever seen fishing for roles were scum.
Life can only kill you once.
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