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On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest? I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested. But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPGIt's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun 
So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list.
On July 12 2011 22:16 Kurumi wrote:Gentlemen Lets revise couple of things, shall we? THE SETUP So, we know a couple of things: There are 8 Townies(with various equipment or even roles) There are 3 Mafia Members(with various equipment or even roles) There is 1 Serial KillerGrand total of 12 playersAnyway, we've got 4 anti-town people among us. That puts us in a 8 v 4 situation. Believe me or not, this might get tricky. Since we've got 2KP per night (assuming SK is not a sissy girl...), on Day 2 there will be only 9 players. Assuming worst case scenario, we'll be put in a 5 Townies vs 3 Mafia and 1 Serial Killer situation. Another mislynch and without some hero vigilante bullets and medic heals we're screwed at Night 2. That's why we MUST scum-hunt as hard as we can.
Contributing without contributing. You did an awesome job of copy/pasting some stuff from the OP. You're going on my list with Radfield, and if you want to get off of it you had better start making posts of greater quality.
As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me. Radfield and Kurumi are excluded from this because I am highly suspicious of them. If you are on my suspect list, I will not sell to you.
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^I posted under my post that I clicked Post instead of preview x_x I will glue my posts up
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Gentlemen
Lets revise couple of things, shall we?
THE SETUP
So, we know a couple of things:
There are 8 Townies(with various equipment or even roles)
There are 3 Mafia Members(with various equipment or even roles)
There is 1 Serial Killer
Grand total of 12 players
Anyway, we've got 4 anti-town people among us. That puts us in a 8 v 4 situation. Believe me or not, this might get tricky. Since we've got 2KP per night (assuming SK is not a sissy girl...), on Day 2 there will be only 9 players. Assuming worst case scenario, we'll be put in a 5 Townies vs 3 Mafia and 1 Serial Killer situation. Another mislynch and without some hero vigilante bullets and medic heals we're screwed at Night 2. That's why we MUST scum-hunt as hard as we can.
Since I hit post instead of "Preview" I must double-post. Well, I think announcing contracts in-thread might prove useful to us. Even basic information, "who and who" is something we can use. I suggest making Trust Contracts to confirmed people. After Your death, You will still be able to help us win the game!
Also, I believe we've got plenty of blue roles OR equipment. I would like You not to trade it before we get someone confirmed or at least in "Strong-Townie read" box.
THE PLAN
Is easy.
So here it goes:
#1 We announce our contracts. The more information You give us, the bigger benefit for us.
#2 We are not giving away our equipment before we've got strong townie reads with someone.
#3 As fast we get confirmed Townie, we initiate a Trust contract with him so our items won't go into the Black Hole
^We should give this guy vests and medic prots as fast as possible too, we don't want our Bank to die -_-
#4 We don't let ourselves get bossed around with contracts. Think before signing one.
Glued post, enjoy, sorry for spamming the thread.
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On July 12 2011 22:46 Kurumi wrote:THE PLAN Is easy.So here it goes: #1 We announce our contracts. The more information You give us, the bigger benefit for us. #2 We are not giving away our equipment before we've got strong townie reads with someone. #3 As fast we get confirmed Townie, we initiate a Trust contract with him so our items won't go into the Black Hole ^We should give this guy vests and medic prots as fast as possible too, we don't want our Bank to die -_- #4 We don't let ourselves get bossed around with contracts. Think before signing one. Glued post, enjoy, sorry for spamming the thread.
I'll just point out the things I don't like about your plan.
#1: It also gives mafia more information. This may be a good idea, but there are some contracts that you do not want to make public. Use your discretion, and talk it over with the person involved in the contract. Make sure you both agree on whether or not to make it public before sending it to LSB.
#2: Hmm, no. I think it is in our best interests to distribute our equipment and work together. Holding back equipment means that if you get killed tonight, all of it is gone. I see no reason to put off contracts. It will benefit mafia more than it benefits us.
#3: Agreed. However, if that townie dies we end up with a big loss. Something needs to be put in place to help avoid this. Vests and protects are a good start.
#4: Of course. Make sure you think it through
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@chaos13
#1: Well, maybe we should delay announcement by one Day then? The Mafia won't be able to snipe people off immediately based on info given on real-time.
#2: I am just scared that our equipment can land in bad hands, that's all.
#3: Yup, that's why we protect our bank as hard as possible.
Basically my entire plan is based on using brain and stuff, a good Town read on someone? Trade away! Scum read? You better not trade Your RPG -_- I understand that some contracts might be a part of a plan between two people - just make sure that it won't screw us over.
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I'm back, so feel free to contact me for any reason; I'm interested in information as well. Contracts should only be announced in the threat if there's a very good reason. I think in general it's a bad idea because the information is much more useful for mafia as they know what kind of roles they've available and the alignment of the contracting parties (SK aside). It's far better to reveal the contracts in private to someone who you really trust. Pretty straightforward.
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I just want to say this, I'm very much an IRC user. If anyone wants to discuss with me privately, please feel free to poke me on IRC, I'm authed as Palmar and I have a box that's always on, so just leave a message if I'm not at the keyboard at the time.
For the game, Kurumi basically put forward a plan that involved not being stupid. It's not a bad plan, but it screams "I'm trying to contribute" to me. I don't really like it. And I'm definitely not following it, if I see fit I will announce my contracts, but it will not be a rule.
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On July 13 2011 00:19 Palmar wrote:
I just want to say this, I'm very much an IRC user. If anyone wants to discuss with me privately, please feel free to poke me on IRC, I'm authed as Palmar and I have a box that's always on, so just leave a message if I'm not at the keyboard at the time.
For the game, Kurumi basically put forward a plan that involved not being stupid. It's not a bad plan, but it screams "I'm trying to contribute" to me. I don't really like it. And I'm definitely not following it, if I see fit I will announce my contracts, but it will not be a rule.
It also screams IM NOT TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO WAW, but maybe im just being cynical.
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This isn't a caller game bro, it's not going to become waw
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Radfield
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On July 12 2011 22:42 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 19:25 Radfield wrote:Lets get down to brass tax: Who's selling me a bulletproof vest? I may be in the market to buy up some votes for Day 1, PM me if interested. But most importantly: Who wants to sell me an RPGIt's vitally important that I shoot someone with an RPG this game in order to maximize fun So you're looking to buy votes on Day 1, the time in the game that it is least likely we will lynch scum. You also want an RPG, which provides you with additional means of killing someone, which also does not guarantee you will kill scum. Noted, you're going down on my suspect list.
yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.
As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.
As an advertisement to business, I have defensive weapons to sell. If you are interested, PM me.
This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.
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Radfield
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On July 12 2011 22:46 Kurumi wrote:
THE PLAN
Is easy.
So here it goes:
#1 We announce our contracts. The more information You give us, the bigger benefit for us.
#2 We are not giving away our equipment before we've got strong townie reads with someone.
#3 As fast we get confirmed Townie, we initiate a Trust contract with him so our items won't go into the Black Hole
^We should give this guy vests and medic prots as fast as possible too, we don't want our Bank to die -_-
#4 We don't let ourselves get bossed around with contracts. Think before signing one.
Glued post, enjoy, sorry for spamming the thread.
The only important point here is number three, which should be obvious.
We don't want to announce contracts in public. I find it likely that there are certain pro-town abilities(investigations, medics, etc) that require money to activate. It's important to keep mafia in the dark as to which players are buying and which are selling. Not to mention which players have which items.
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On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.
grrrr....
Oh wait, I'm not a dog.
I find this thing stupid and suspicious.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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a) no scum would ever fall for that.
b) this is like creating a bad plan and then claiming you did it to see if you could catch scum who supported it.
c) only a single person called you out on it and you folded. Are you really that afraid of being under suspicion?
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On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:
I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.
I find this scummy too.
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Come on bro, I replied within 2 minutes. Don't run back to the mafia QT to ask your buddies what you should say.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
meh. I put that into my post on a whim, thinking it would be interesting to see if anyone was eager either for a) money or b) an excuse to get rid of their vote. Rest assured, there is no way I would buy someones vote on Day 1.
Your points a) and c) go together. The reason I folded is because it was a bad plan and no one was going to bother PMing me, particularly after chaos13 pointed it out. There's no need to let things like that fester in peoples minds, so I addressed it. Makes sense?
Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have.
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On July 13 2011 01:00 Radfield wrote:
Every player in every mafia game ever should be 'afraid' of being under suspicion, at least in the sense that you should do what you can to appear town-aligned and not get mislynched. Oozing green is the best trait any pro-town player can have.
So why don't you ooze green?
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Radfield, why the hell You wanted to set up a PM trap when You said You're weak when it comes to PMs? ._.'
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Also Radfield.. On the page 5 You said You'll announce who sold You the BP vest, but on this page You say we shouldn't announce contracts at all. It's a contradiction.
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