EPTAs to the vig discussion, If you guys feel like I should die, then vig shots are preferable because it will kill me surely (assuming a vig agrees that I should die), and you can lynch another scummy candidate because in your opinion I'm confirmed scum (hint: I'm not).
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
As to the vig discussion, If you guys feel like I should die, then vig shots are preferable because it will kill me surely (assuming a vig agrees that I should die), and you can lynch another scummy candidate because in your opinion I'm confirmed scum (hint: I'm not). | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 20 2011 04:56 VisceraEyes wrote: and you can lynch another scummy candidate because in your opinion I'm confirmed scum (hint: I'm not). really because this is the first time since you were outed that you've actually defended yourself you're going down whether you like it or not | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On July 20 2011 04:47 supersoft wrote: you guys realize that your votechanging is senseless. 10 noobs that probably don't even read the thread keep their votes on me. But I don't really get the VE bandwagon... okay he posted, that he likes nearly every possible lynchcandidat other than me, but... come on man | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I'm just trying to help town here people, and I get it that my little gambit appears anti-town...but it was done with the best of intentions. I was genuinely suspicious of Wiggles and was trying to get him to admit it. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 20 2011 04:42 Jackal58 wrote: Tell ya what. Why don't we have our Vigs shoot at the lesser known quantities of redFF, SS prplhze, yourself and others that don't want to lynch scum. You have so much confidence in our vigs let them shoot the unknowns and we lynch scum. Of course I'm starting to think we could lynch VE or you and get the same result. You guys got a scummy doctor on your team? You are missing his point. Vigi kills don't provide as much information as a lynch kill. In a lynch kill the entire town can argue and if you lynch a mafia (in a not black and white manner like VE right now) you can see who was trying to subtly divert the lynch. You can't subtly divert a vigilante hit since generally, you won't know its coming. On top of which you just advocated blowing every vig shot just now -_- | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On July 20 2011 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Obviously that's the way it appears, but I just don't see why this outs me as mafia. It's not like Wiggles was all that trustworthy BEFORE this little debacle. And I've been kinda upfront with my reads all along. Does anyone DISAGREE that RoL or Wiggles were suspicious until my little ruse with Wiggles? Does anyone AGREE that I've looked scummy before all this? I'm just trying to help town here people, and I get it that my little gambit appears anti-town...but it was done with the best of intentions. I was genuinely suspicious of Wiggles and was trying to get him to admit it. I thought wiggles looked townie and you have yet to explain your gambit adequately. I think you are a traitor who felt scared and alone and tried finding your team mates so hopefully you could get in with your team and coordinate better. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
And RoL, please...you're FAR more scummy than Wiggles imo...the only reason I didn't choose you for my gambit was because I felt that I could get you lynched regardless of how my gambit panned out. Your disappearance from the thread until a few hours before the lynch has been FAR more suspect than Wiggles pro-townness minus stances. But because I had meta on Wiggles, I figured he would be a better target for this little ruse. Either way, all will be made clear in a few hours one way or another. I'm not resigned to a lynch yet, and I'm still working on my defense. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
If you wanted to try to test me for my alignment, why tell me outright you're a traitor? Why not find some other way to trap me? Saying you're a traitor, makes perfect sense as a traitor, as: I'm Town: You can claim that it was a ruse to out me as possible scum. I'm Scum: You have a chance to actually come into contact with the mafia. This would also have been a lot smoother if you had told someone of your intentions beforehand if it was to test my alignment, because whether or not you're actually scum, someone would have known that claiming to me was a test at least. It also makes it look better if I don't post about it in the thread, because then a third party knows that I'm likely scum, not just you, meaning that even if you were contacted as a traitor, then town still netted one scum at least. Did you tell anyone about this beforehand? | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On July 20 2011 04:42 redFF wrote: omfg, when you mislynch and then they flip green you can't just shrug your shoulders and say oh w/e he was bad and dumb. that whole post was awful but that part really sticks out to me. No, but it lets you see who defended him and who didn't and who has good arguments and who's FoS. Even you should advocate lynching yourself or another suspect over the free kill. You didn't even address that at all. If you want to target only the consequences that happen when you flip either way, why not look at what happens when VE flips either way? We don't get anything, but unlike before, all we really get is that he's dumb or mafia and there's nothing else to analyze at all. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On July 18 2011 12:29 redFF wrote: EDBWOP: also lets have less spammy posts like the one i quoted above me. They add nothing to the discussion and just take up space and add more useless stuff to read. And then we have: On July 18 2011 11:19 redFF wrote: WHO ARE YOU On July 18 2011 14:29 redFF wrote: SILENCE NEWB | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
On July 20 2011 05:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Question time: If you wanted to try to test me for my alignment, why tell me outright you're a traitor? Why not find some other way to trap me? Saying you're a traitor, makes perfect sense as a traitor, as: I'm Town: You can claim that it was a ruse to out me as possible scum. I'm Scum: You have a chance to actually come into contact with the mafia. This would also have been a lot smoother if you had told someone of your intentions beforehand if it was to test my alignment, because whether or not you're actually scum, someone would have known that claiming to me was a test at least. It also makes it look better if I don't post about it in the thread, because then a third party knows that I'm likely scum, not just you, meaning that even if you were contacted as a traitor, then town still netted one scum at least. Did you tell anyone about this beforehand? it is for that very reason that I chose traitor. Because it makes the most sense for me to be telling the truth, so you'd believe it and fall for it regardless of your alignment. Granted, because I thought you were scum, I didn't forsee as much danger, but since you outted the conversation, imo it still worked perfectly...at the cost of a townie. *shrugs* Townie deaths d1 are pretty common, and VisceraEyes deaths d1 are almost as common. It's just a game of mafia to me. I didn't tell anyone of my intentions, but I told Mig of my suspicions of you and I told Curu my suspicions of you. But the fact is, I don't really trust ANYONE yet. I only blame my inexperience for not considering that, and I'll only play that card once. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
That being said, I do NOT think we should lynch VE. Pardon me for thinking out loud here, but what threat does VE pose to the town? He's not part of the actual mafia, so he doesn't count towards their KP. Everyone knows that he's scum now, and no one will be fooled into giving him information. We get no information from this lynch for obvious reasons. Yes, I realize that I'm saying "don't lynch scum" but he's not a scum that will lower the KP, so I think he can wait. If he survives to tomorrow, so what? Vigis will eventually hit him, and if even that fails, we can lynch him later. Does this make sense? | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On July 20 2011 04:37 Drazerk wrote: All that post did was reinforce my opinion on wiggles... Outing VE is like the holy grail of town cred. I dissagree. It's a strong indicator of Wiggles being not-mafia. If he was black, wiggles would HAVE to turn him in too, because if he didn't do anything with that claim, VE would have turned wiggles in as a black. (And before anyone says, "No, cause he'd be incriminating himself", the fact that VE would be the one bringing us the info, the one implicating himself, would more or less clear him/validate his gambit.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
On July 20 2011 06:23 Kavdragon wrote: VE, as a townie, you would have had to thought this out a lot before it happened. There's no way that you wouldn't have told someone else, as this is the obvious thing that would happen to you. Sorry, but no. If you had told someone else, then maybe. That being said, I do NOT think we should lynch VE. Pardon me for thinking out loud here, but what threat does VE pose to the town? He's not part of the actual mafia, so he doesn't count towards their KP. Everyone knows that he's scum now, and no one will be fooled into giving him information. We get no information from this lynch for obvious reasons. Yes, I realize that I'm saying "don't lynch scum" but he's not a scum that will lower the KP, so I think he can wait. If he survives to tomorrow, so what? Vigis will eventually hit him, and if even that fails, we can lynch him later. Does this make sense? No it doesn't. Day 1 is when we have the least information. Now we have a self proclaimed Traitor. I can't think of a better shot for a Vig atm since the accuracy of a Vig shooting at someone else is the weakest right now. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On July 20 2011 06:23 Kavdragon wrote: VE, as a townie, you would have had to thought this out a lot before it happened. There's no way that you wouldn't have told someone else, as this is the obvious thing that would happen to you. Sorry, but no. If you had told someone else, then maybe. That being said, I do NOT think we should lynch VE. Pardon me for thinking out loud here, but what threat does VE pose to the town? He's not part of the actual mafia, so he doesn't count towards their KP. Everyone knows that he's scum now, and no one will be fooled into giving him information. We get no information from this lynch for obvious reasons. Yes, I realize that I'm saying "don't lynch scum" but he's not a scum that will lower the KP, so I think he can wait. If he survives to tomorrow, so what? Vigis will eventually hit him, and if even that fails, we can lynch him later. Does this make sense? We are likely (only likely because we don't actually have to kill Insane Inmates for our win con) going to have to lynch him eventually, and on the following days we'll have more and more information available, thus making our lynches/vigi hits more accurate | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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