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On July 20 2011 06:58 ketomai wrote:
Why would giving up 3 night kills, potentially 2 black kills, and potential misfire vigi kills for free benefit the town in anyway?
Could you clarify what you mean here?
On July 20 2011 06:58 ketomai wrote:
Are you asserting that letting up pressure on mafia would help town? It doesn't.
That's not what I said at all. You stated (in bold, at that) that "time is on the mafia's side" and I was disputing that. The more game days we have as town, the better we can analyze patterns to pick the correct targets to lynch and vigkill. If you interpreted that to mean "letting up pressure" that I'm afraid we're misinterpreting each other here.
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United States4714 Posts
Yea vigs shoot cb lol unless he shows proof that he revealed this as a plan to fish for mafia beforehand. In a pm game there is no reason you wouldn't tell someone else about your plans to try and trap someone and draw out a mafia if you are town. That way if your plan failed you would have proof that you were just fishing and not telling the truth. This point holds for VE as well.
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On July 20 2011 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, for starters...
From: CreamyButter [ 48 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: halp
Date: 7/20/11 04:00
Hi, im an insane inmate. Not sure how to prove it. Is there any way for you to figure out who mafia is and then tell them my name? Not sure how you would accomplish this, just PM scummy people? Idk, I mean they know you're red though so that should help. Hopefully I've PMed you before any fake claims to you. I'll be asleep for the next several hours, should wake up around 9:30 KST. Kthx
This feels more like a fake-claim aimed to confirm my claim to Wiggles than an actual scum-claim.
Oh my.
Well, CreamyButter, time for you to say whether you actually sent this PM or not. (In just over 2 hours it looks like.)
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On July 20 2011 07:10 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:58 ketomai wrote:
Why would giving up 3 night kills, potentially 2 black kills, and potential misfire vigi kills for free benefit the town in anyway? Could you clarify what you mean here? Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 06:58 ketomai wrote:
Are you asserting that letting up pressure on mafia would help town? It doesn't. That's not what I said at all. You stated (in bold, at that) that "time is on the mafia's side" and I was disputing that. The more game days we have as town, the better we can analyze patterns to pick the correct targets to lynch and vigkill. If you interpreted that to mean "letting up pressure" that I'm afraid we're misinterpreting each other here.
Each day the mafia gets closer to their goal. The more game days we have without progressing against mafia as town, the lower on personnel the town becomes. Yes, we can not be rash, but I don't consider lynching someone else that is a prime suspect as rash at all. Time is definitely on the mafia's side if no progress is made (which this lynch would accomplish).
The first part was saying what potentially happens in one night if we just let this day be a waste. It's not like the mafia agreed to a truce with us too. They are still going to kill at night regardless of what happened during the day. Biding time as a town and not actively pursuing information directly through lynches is a mistake.
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The simplest answer is often the best. People pointed out that CB seemed to post like an Insane Inmate day 1. His "plan" for Mafia to manipulate DTs into finding the Insane Inmates was ridiculously terrible and only serves to strengthen the thought that he is an Insane Inmate now.
He posted a whole bunch at the start of the game then disappeared for the rest of the game.
Unless he can make a Herculean defense, someone please shoot him.
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@Zona
If he's scum he'll deny it. If he's town, he could verify it, but it looks like he'll be gone until after the lynch based on the message.
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BC, we're not allowed to forge conversations and PMs right? Is that a modkill offense?
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I think you can forge anything you want within a post you just cant take a screen shot of something
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Poland6130 Posts
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Well, if VE is actually getting lynched, we should probably wait for that flip (y'know, in case he is scum, like he claimed lol) before deciding to shoot CreamyButter.
As for making assumptions what CreamyButter would post in his or her position, well it never hurts to ask.
On July 20 2011 07:21 Kurumi wrote:
I believe VE.
Please specify what parts of what VE has said that you believe.
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Poland6130 Posts
VE has done some crazy things in the past . His gambit could catch scum or he would die thanks to Lynch . He wasn't afraid to die for his cause .
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Unvote guys...it's not too late. Save a townie! Lynch a scum! Do the right thing! All that jazz!
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Poland6130 Posts
I believe VE is town and cb is miller
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On July 20 2011 07:25 Zona wrote:
Well, if VE is actually getting lynched, we should probably wait for that flip (y'know, in case he is scum, like he claimed lol) before deciding to shoot CreamyButter.
As for making assumptions what CreamyButter would post in his or her position, well it never hurts to ask.
We should obviously give CB a chance to defend himself, but I'm inclined to believe the pm is real regardless of VE's alignment. VE seems like the kind of player who doesn't care or realize he is playing against his win con by posting that and the pm itself looks pretty real to me. Further, if he was trying to help scum team with that, he would have chosen another player to incriminate, as CB was never going to be shot by mafia because people already thought he was highly suspicious and he is a new player.
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Poland6130 Posts
1:1 exchange benefits town more than scum . That gambit makes no sense from scum perspective .
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I didn't take the fact that I could die into account Kurumi...I'm as afraid to die as the next guy. I was sure Wiggles was scum when I did all this, and apparently I was mistaken. I'm going to die as a result, but that does NOT mean I'm not afraid to die. I'm afraid for any townie to die. I just didn't factor that in...because I suck. But it's cool. I'm not going to just roll over either.
Syllo, I'm not playing against my win condition. I win with town. I win by killing all the mafia and sk. This is why I did this...to help find mafia and sk.
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On July 20 2011 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't take the fact that I could die into account Kurumi...I'm as afraid to die as the next guy. I was sure Wiggles was scum when I did all this, and apparently I was mistaken. I'm going to die as a result, but that does NOT mean I'm not afraid to die. I'm afraid for any townie to die. I just didn't factor that in...because I suck. But it's cool. I'm not going to just roll over either.
Syllo, I'm not playing against my win condition. I win with town. I win by killing all the mafia and sk. This is why I did this...to help find mafia and sk.
Dude he's defending you lol.
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Kurumi, voting CB does nothing at this point. If you want to not have VE lynched today, vote for one of the people who already have a significant amount of votes on them. Your vote just looks useless ATM.
I'd suggest this to all Town as well. Voting to put on pressure is something you do at the start of Day, not a few hours before the deadline. A few hours before the deadline you find who you think is the scummiest player out of the players who can realistically be lynched and put your vote there.
This also prevents scum from spreading their vote uselessly about and hiding that way.
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##Unvote: RoL
##Vote: ##redFF
RedFF seems like the town's second most popular pick as a lynch candidate and I fully support him as a scum lynch. I'm still suspicious of RoL and will continue to watch his posts, but I'm going to vote for RedFF in the meantime. Thank you, that is all.
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Poland6130 Posts
On July 20 2011 07:40 Curu wrote:
Kurumi, voting CB does nothing at this point. If you want to not have VE lynched today, vote for one of the people who already have a significant amount of votes on them. Your vote just looks useless ATM.
I'd suggest this to all Town as well. Voting to put on pressure is something you do at the start of Day, not a few hours before the deadline. A few hours before the deadline you find who you think is the scummiest player out of the players who can realistically be lynched and put your vote there.
This also prevents scum from spreading their vote uselessly about and hiding that way.
Who ? Supersoft votes are non existant . Point me person who can get lynched instead of VE . I want to save him .
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