On July 19 2011 05:10 redFF wrote: That's now what I'm arguing. I'm arguing he isn't scum, I never said anything about anyone being useful/useless.
So a useless, lying player is not a good lynch?
Oh please tell me what you think is a good lynch then. Do we sit on our asses and wait till the DT has found the entire team?
scum is a good lynch lol. Useless townie is still town. If you wanna argue more please pm me.
WHY WHY
WHY do you people insist on taking everything to PMs? That's the BIGGEST scumtell in this entire game. That last sentence of yours literally translates into "I don't want anyone to see what I write, come talk to me in private"
palmar's got a pretty good point too, that's 2 scumtells
At a certain point people in an argument just start saying the same thing over and over again. It spams the thread and shouts out any other impotant conversation that may be going on at the time. It creates a bad invironment for the town, and unless it's really important to all of us, it needs to stop.
Unfortunatly some people can't stop arguing, and so it's better for them to take it to pms. Honestly, RedFF asking that it be taken to PMs is a huge town tell in my book. The argument is no benefiting town right now, and that's exactly what mafia want. A huge chaotic argument that washes away anything that is actually useful.
On July 19 2011 07:28 ketomai wrote: On the subject of supersoft: Yea, he's obviously going to be lynched today,
Is he? I hate when people speak in absolutes. Do you have help in making this happen? Is he on somebodies agenda? Why is this obvious? We have well over 24 hours remaining. You don't know wtf is going to happen. Or are you and friends of yours going to make sure this is going to happen? I really hope that's the case because if the best the scum team can do is a nooby derp I'm down with that. Please don't speak in absolutes. Nothing turns on my tunnel vision faster than somebody that "knows" things.
On July 19 2011 07:28 ketomai wrote: On the subject of supersoft: Yea, he's obviously going to be lynched today,
Is he? I hate when people speak in absolutes. Do you have help in making this happen? Is he on somebodies agenda? Why is this obvious? We have well over 24 hours remaining. You don't know wtf is going to happen. Or are you and friends of yours going to make sure this is going to happen? I really hope that's the case because if the best the scum team can do is a nooby derp I'm down with that. Please don't speak in absolutes. Nothing turns on my tunnel vision faster than somebody that "knows" things.
I think it's pretty obvious because of his slip ups. We just established before that lying is bad, yet he contradicts himself several times in PMs from what he says in the thread (unintentional or not). Because of this, he is by far the most likely candidate. I usually would not speak in absolutes, it's pretty clear that on day 1, with not much to work with, that he is by far the sore thumb in this mafia game. I don't think anyone else other than yourself would argue that I seem to be jumping to too large of conclusions on this specific case.
The only way he would be safe is if someone made an even more obvious slip up on day 1, where again, there's very little information on voting patterns, hits, etc that can tell anything about a person to incriminate them, and IMO that's pretty hard to do and you'd have to be trying to attempt that.
Just look at how supersoft is responding. He can't do anything to save himself so he is pointing fingers at random people. That's the nature of this game at the moment, he CAN'T do anything else because no evidence incriminates an individual as strongly as his PM's did.
I think in this case it is fine to speak of his lynch as probable. It's obvious there's nothing more he can do to get himself out of this without unintentional outside help from an idiot. Also, if you can't tell, I never really say for sure that he is mafia or townie; I am not absolutely calling for his lynch as mafia, I am absolutely just stating the facts based on how this game has played out for day 1.
Well I skimmed through, and im just gonna pm people I think are town, cuz Pms are broken. Clue discussion should be fun, seems very abstract with all the flavor. Any more flavor and this game would be called baskin robbins.
Nazguls here? An excuse to PM him about nonsense oh happy day!
Hey guys; just finished reading the thread. Some thoughts so far:
On July 18 2011 14:14 gtrsrs wrote:anyways as is my usual status quo, i'm just gonna claim straight up and immediately i'm a townie (inmate?) i'm green. no powers. not mafia.
Since when was this your status quo? I played XL and SNMMIV with you and you didn’t claim in either of them (apart from when you had the majority of the votecount). A little worrying you’d do that out of nowhere, considering the negative implications claiming VT has. As Curu said, you’re either lying or you’re narrowing down the list of possible blues for mafia to take a shot at.
I’ve noticed that Drazerk has been very quiet so far, not at all as vocal or spammy as usual, what’s going on?
Onto the big lynch suspect of the day, supersoft.
You've lied about your PM activity; you also did the same thing gtrsrs did and claimed VT in your first post, but later said you were joking/didn't read the posts before you telling people not to do that? Following on from that you jumped onto Coag for making a list that people (CreamyButter and Mig) were asking for. Three immediately suspicious things, all within 24 hours on day one… votes on you barring me finding someone scummier.
To anyone who gets offended by my active aggressive posting, sorry. But I like to be active, I like to be spammy, and I like to be aggressive as all hell.
Nothing I say will be intended as a personal attack on you (except what I said to gtrsrs, and for that I apologize). Sometimes I impulse post back (calling redFF bad after he personally attacked me) but many times I catch myself and don't post it. I'll try to do this more in the future.
I play Mafia to win and I find it very boring to sit lurker style (nor do I think this helps the Town). So I will be aggressive and I will attack you. Try not to take it personally <3. I'll try to be more considerate in pointing out what I feel are playstyle flaws rather than attacking you for your playstyle.
Well, sense everyone pretty much agrees that supersoft is scummy, we wont get any meaningful discussion by rehashing everything supersoft is saying. I propose We talk about some other lynch candidates: namely Pyo.
dude has been acting wishy washy. despite people calling him out on it, he has refused to give much of an opinion on anything. Then he disappears. So tell me Pyo, who do you think is scum?
I also want to note that right after Viscera and ribboo got called out they both made an appearance. At least Vis had something to contribute, and it could have been a coincidence, but ribboo's post is just some fluff...
gonna put my vote on Pyo, because I want him to speak up.
On July 19 2011 08:37 Curu wrote: To anyone who gets offended by my active aggressive posting, sorry. But I like to be active, I like to be spammy, and I like to be aggressive as all hell.
Nothing I say will be intended as a personal attack on you (except what I said to gtrsrs, and for that I apologize). Sometimes I impulse post back (calling redFF bad after he personally attacked me) but many times I catch myself and don't post it. I'll try to do this more in the future.
I play Mafia to win and I find it very boring to sit lurker style (nor do I think this helps the Town). So I will be aggressive and I will attack you. Try not to take it personally <3. I'll try to be more considerate in pointing out what I feel are playstyle flaws rather than attacking you for your playstyle.
I'm just saying that being repetitively spammy with baseless accusations doesn't really help the town. Again, like I said, you should try to do that in PM's if you really wanted to do it so freely. Spamming does not make the game any funner or more dynamic, it only makes it harder to discern any other information than the ones being spammed.
IMO just do it in a big post and less frequently if you want to continue doing that and reply in equally big posts. Having you dominate having close to something like 1/6th of the current posts neither helps the town nor does it help convince us of what you are repeating. Rather, succinct (or just infrequent, but more organized) arguments are easier to agree with and read as well.
Like I said before, being less spammy doesn't only help the town, it also helps you as an individual in case you are too overbearing/aggressive on lynching and it turns out you are wrong.
On July 19 2011 08:37 Curu wrote: To anyone who gets offended by my active aggressive posting, sorry. But I like to be active, I like to be spammy, and I like to be aggressive as all hell.
Nothing I say will be intended as a personal attack on you (except what I said to gtrsrs, and for that I apologize). Sometimes I impulse post back (calling redFF bad after he personally attacked me) but many times I catch myself and don't post it. I'll try to do this more in the future.
I play Mafia to win and I find it very boring to sit lurker style (nor do I think this helps the Town). So I will be aggressive and I will attack you. Try not to take it personally <3. I'll try to be more considerate in pointing out what I feel are playstyle flaws rather than attacking you for your playstyle.
I'm just saying that being repetitively spammy with baseless accusations doesn't really help the town. Again, like I said, you should try to do that in PM's if you really wanted to do it so freely. Spamming does not make the game any funner or more dynamic, it only makes it harder to discern any other information than the ones being spammed.
IMO just do it in a big post and less frequently if you want to continue doing that and reply in equally big posts. Having you dominate having close to something like 1/6th of the current posts neither helps the town nor does it help convince us of what you are repeating. Rather, succinct (or just infrequent, but more organized) arguments are easier to agree with and read as well.
Like I said before, being less spammy doesn't only help the town, it also helps you as an individual in case you are too overbearing/aggressive on lynching and it turns out you are wrong.
The only people I've been accusing are supersoft and redFF and I don't think my case against either is baseless. I don't consider myself to be spamming baseless accusations.
I spam questions and prods and discussion but not accusations.
Still, less spam less angry bear-ness, kk. And yeah you're right, PMs are the place to be for all my random questioning, good point.
This is an open call for people who are interested in doing clue analysis
Note: I hear people talking about how we should use clue analysis only as a supplement to real analysis. Sounds like a good idea. But who's going to due to the clue analysis?
What's going to happen is that people are going to tunnel someone, and then look at the day posts and try to find anything that confirms their belief and claim that they found a 100% mafia.
That's not real clue analysis. That's tunneling.
The best way to do this is have a team of clue analyzers. They'll do the clue analysis beforehand. Once someone is up for the lynch, their post their findings on the person and whether or not clue analysis supports or goes against the person being lynched. Clue analysis is useless if it's only purpose is to help you tunnel. It's useful when it's researched and taken completely seperatly from emotions and bandwagoning.
This is an open call for people who are interested in doing clue analysis
Note: I hear people talking about how we should use clue analysis only as a supplement to real analysis. Sounds like a good idea. But who's going to due to the clue analysis?
What's going to happen is that people are going to tunnel someone, and then look at the day posts and try to find anything that confirms their belief and claim that they found a 100% mafia.
That's not real clue analysis. That's tunneling.
The best way to do this is have a team of clue analyzers. They'll do the clue analysis beforehand. Once someone is up for the lynch, their post their findings on the person and whether or not clue analysis supports or goes against the person being lynched. Clue analysis is useless if it's only purpose is to help you tunnel. It's useful when it's researched and taken completely seperatly from emotions and bandwagoning.
I can do clue analysis if you want. The only problem with your plan though, is that the clues only point to specific mafia, not all of them, so there won't always be clue analysis available for each lynch. A lack of clue analysis is not absolving.
A lack of clue analysis is not absolving, that is correct, but if we can provide more evidence for a lynch that is always helpful. I will be doing a little bit of clue analysis regardless but I would like to be a part of this panel too! I'd like to prevent it being controlled by mafia, and I consider myself intelligent enough to be good at clue analysis.
My gut tells me that the clues will be harder then just the old fashioned way, especially with BC at the wheel. Not stomping on anything, but I think we should keep clue discussion in PM land until you find something solid, which shouldn't happen first night.
The speed at which the supersoft bandwagon started was a little too fast for me. I would encourage everyone voting for him to give a good, valid reasoned argument as to why you think he is mafia. Don't just agree with other people's analysis, do your own as well. When lynches flip town, I will be scrutinizing everyone who threw down a frivolous vote, thinking the bandwagon could hide them.
On July 18 2011 18:35 Palmar wrote: Kurumi, I have a problem with the way you're posting. I liked your attempt at pro-town in the merc mini game far better, now you've just defaulted to trolling.
On July 18 2011 13:05 CreamyButter wrote: If I in fact said anything of consequence, well, sorry, I guess I'll stop now. My reasoning was that all new players on the mafia will already be getting help from the vets on the mafia, a new player like me posting superficial advice will only serve two purposes:
1. I might write something scummy and slip up 2. A new, town-oriented player might actually learn something they hadn't thought of, which helps us out.
Please stop pointing fingers with nothing else in the post, it seems pretty useless. Either explain why what I said was scummy, make a plan (even a stupid one, as a trap for agree-ers), or think of better test questions to ask.
Establishing yourself as bad/new is usually a bad idea from town perspective, if we're to listen to what you have to say, then you should probably try to convince us you're intelligent and confident.
On July 18 2011 12:39 CreamyButter wrote: I have to study/class, will be back later today. I don't really know how to give/identify good analysis, but I'm fully open to being tested/asked stupid questions to see if I screw up, so feel free to send me PMs.
And you're even admitting that some of your posts are going to be fluff to fill up the posting standard. Shape up man.
On July 18 2011 11:02 CreamyButter wrote: Maybe it's because I only have 35 posts, but 5 posts a day seems like a hell of a lot, and I'm predicting a ton of spam/filler posts just to hit the minimum (I'm kind of freaking out about getting modkilled if I forget one evening lol). Maybe we should tag our posts like /analysis or /filler? Since I feel like if people are all forced to make 5 posts a day, there might be a lot of red herrings from tired townies who just want the day to end, and this way we can sort of manually adjust the posting minimum to like 3 "real" posts a day. Or 8 or whatever.
@Curu Give me a sec to think about it. From what I understand the mafia just sort of chill, analyze/snipe blues, give confusing/chaos-inspiring analysis, and attempt to plant themselves into town circles. Not sure if there are any strategies that would be particular to this game yet, but will totally get back to you on that.
Lurkers and people who never contribute *cough* Kenpachi *cough* are excellent vigi fodder.
Nisani201: Can you do your action list thing like you did in RTM please?
On July 18 2011 13:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm going to start off by saying something super-scummy, followed up by a tunnel of an inactive, and wrap it up with some insanely scummy comment that gets me lynched in the 11th hour.
Anyone object?
Sarcasm about you getting on the lynch platform early is a pretty good way to post without content. Come on VE.
As for CreamyButter:
##Vote CreamyButter
Well thought out post with good examples given of scumminess.
On July 18 2011 21:13 Drazerk wrote: Time to actually go to work I guess.
Let's start with our always scum fellow Mr. Wiggles shall we?
Now we could say wiggles has a track record of being scum but the problem is his scum play has been pretty bland, In fact in RTM / WaW2 we was able to pick him out as scum just because of how little effort he puts in when being scum. Now when I read the thread this morning I was pretty much blown away by how much effort he was putting in, Its almost as if he did a 180 and is trying his best to not follow his scum meta by promoting a pro town atmosphere.
On July 18 2011 10:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, so let's get this started!
First things first, let's lay out some things we want to achieve, and some guidelines.
A pro-town atmosphere
This normally goes without saying, but it often bears repeating. If we want to catch scum, we need to have the proper environment for scum hunting and for communicating with each other. This means a couple things:
Promoting scum hunting.
Not having pointless arguments
Actively contributing
All that jazz
Basically, we want to keep the thread as clean as possible, because chaos best serves mafia, not town. If you really don't know what to do, there's town guides. I'm not going to write one here, because I'm too lazy, and don't consider myself experienced enough to try. However, I am going to go through the three points above, as I think they are very important.
We always want people to scum-hunt. There's never an excuse not to scum-hunt; everyone can do it. This provides us with many benefits. First, it's the primary method for actually finding scum. It also means that people have to give their actual thoughts, and have to come up with things beyond "I agree". This gives us information, and information is good. It lets us know what you're thinking, and it puts pressure on mafia to have to contribute. Also, forcing mafia to scum-hunt means that there's a good chance of catching them just based on their analysis, because it's hard to find people who are scummy, when you know they aren't scum.
Next, we want to avoid bickering. This goes hand in hand with keeping the thread clean. This is different from actually debating with people, and you should be able to tell the difference between rationality, and NO U. If anyone is having a pointless argument, they will be asked to stop. It doesn't help town, only mafia.
Lastly, we want people to contribute. There's a posting limit of 5 posts per day/night, but that doesn't give you permission to skirt that limit. It's easy for mafia to hide amongst lurkers, and beyond that, lurkers are nearly impossible to analyze. So, contribute. This doesn't mean make tons of pointless one-liners, it means providing actual thoughts, analysis, and content. You can do it, I believe in you. And if you don't, we can always just ask a vig to shoot you. We don't want people to lurk.
Clues
There's clues in this game. However, all clue analysis MUSTMUSTMUST be backed up by post analysis. Before you post the clue analysis too. The reason for this, is that clues will most likely point to all kills. this means that some of the clues are going to point to vigs, some will point to third parties, and the others will point to mafia. Accidentally outing a vig because you solved the clues about them is bad. So, if you think someone's attached to a clue, go back and re-read their posts. If you think they look scummy, then post an analysis that contains the clue analysis. If you think they're town, just hold onto your analysis. Clue-analysis should always be used to supplement an actual behavioural analysis. It should never be the main point for calling someone scummy. In other words: Clues pointing towards a person does not equal scum.
Third Parties
Looking at the third parties, here's what we want:
-We want Joker to die. -We want Batman to kill Joker. -This means that Batman wins, and should hopefully be removed from the game, also removing Ra’as Al Ghul who can no longer achieve his victory condition.
This is the optimal way the third party part of the game will go. We want Batman to kill Joker before Ra'as can kill Batman, so that we don't have to deal with Joker ourselves. So, if you think someone's acting like an SK, don't be afraid to point it out, as this should help Batman achieve his win-con, and let us get on with the rest of the game.
If Joker is lynched, is Batman removed from the game? If Batman is removed from the game, is Ra'as removed from the game?
Thoughts? Disagreements? Let's get this rolling.
You will see a post like that at the start of every game, In fact it's pretty much one of the easiest ways to gain townie points as the post is pretty much common sense followed with some "weak" policies.
Notice how wiggles keeps mentioning the third parties? + Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2011 10:37 deconduo wrote: I agree that Batman killing the Joker is the ideal situation. However I would regard all 3rd party, including Batman, as anti-town. They constitute 3 extra KP each night which results in a faster lylo and less DT checks and clues. If we catch one they should be lynched. None of this 'Keep me alive and I'll help town' crap.
Given the size of the game and the heavy activity requirement there will be a lot of reading to do. There will certainly be people attempting to just pass with the bare minimum of posts. These people should be scrutinised intensly, and lynched if any clues point towards them.
Mhmm, if we catch them, we should lynch them. However, how can we catch them? The only ways I can see, are through just behavioural analysis, and also clue analysis. That's why I say, that if someone is acting like an SK, we might as well lynch them. However, SKs normally act like lurkers, or are scummy, from my experience. So, that means the batman should be shooting into lurkers and scummy people. On the flip-side though, Ra'al is going to be shooting into pro-town players, as Batman wants to try to look like a green, most likely.
The priority is:
joker>batman>ra'al
Because killing up the chain, removes the players below.
So, I guess you're right, that we should always kill third-parties, to remove their KP. However, the priority should be on the joker, as he will most likely appear scummiest, and also his death removes all third parties.
The constant talk of game mechanics makes it seem like he is pro town when he is pretty much posting fluff at this point he just seems to want to enter lylo later when he has established himself as a town player.
Shall we go into his other posts about game mechanics? + Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2011 10:57 redFF wrote: If you clue analyse backing it up with some other form of analysis or evidence can help, but isn't necessary. If you see a clue don't be afraid to point it out.
Unless its like, x is a detective, then don't point it out lol. On the whole I think relying on clue analysis is pretty terrible though so i won't be basing any of my voting around some vague clue which could be pointing to 10 different people.
Clue analysis can be strong, and also, newer players are sometimes easily swayed by it, because it seems like an "objective" form of scum-hunting. I'm saying, before pointing out any clues, look at the person who was killed, and the posting history of the player you think the clue is pointing to.
For example, if they killed a mafia, and look super pro-town, what would be the possible benefits of pointing it out?
However, if someone killed town, and look scummy, then make an actual analysis and then attach the perceived clue to it.
No one should be lynched only on clues, and clues shouldn't just be looked at in a vacuum.
On July 18 2011 11:02 CreamyButter wrote: Maybe it's because I only have 35 posts, but 5 posts a day seems like a hell of a lot, and I'm predicting a ton of spam/filler posts just to hit the minimum (I'm kind of freaking out about getting modkilled if I forget one evening lol). Maybe we should tag our posts like /analysis or /filler? Since I feel like if people are all forced to make 5 posts a day, there might be a lot of red herrings from tired townies who just want the day to end, and this way we can sort of manually adjust the posting minimum to like 3 "real" posts a day. Or 8 or whatever.
@Curu Give me a sec to think about it. From what I understand the mafia just sort of chill, analyze/snipe blues, give confusing/chaos-inspiring analysis, and attempt to plant themselves into town circles. Not sure if there are any strategies that would be particular to this game yet, but will totally get back to you on that.
Also I'm sure this is unintentional, but just to make sure,
There's a posting limit of 5 posts per day/night, but that doesn't give you permission to skirt that limit.
It's a minimum, not a limit, right?
Yeah, it's a minimum, I just used the word limit for some reason =/
If you are being active and playing the game, you shouldn't really have any problem making the 5 post minimum.
For example, you already made 2 decent posts, and still have almost 70 hours to make the other three to avoid mod-kill.
Also, filler should mostly be avoided if possible, as there are always other things to post besides useless stuff. For example, you can comment on other people's analysis, on the voting patterns or bandwagons that are going to appear, on how people are acting or trying to manipulate town, etc. There's lots to talk about. :p
On July 18 2011 11:00 redFF wrote: And regarding blacks I feel it is best to ignore them. Usually I don't really like lynching blacks, but since they all have 1kp a night and will be shooting into town I say if we find them we should be lynching them.
Im going to be treating all the black roles as serial killers.
I disagree about ignoring them. Effort should definitely be made in finding and lynching them, especially the Joker and/or Batman.
Agreed. Together the third party hold the same amount of KP as the entire mafia, and based on probability, are more like to kill town than mafia too.
On July 18 2011 11:41 Curu wrote: Just a lovely note to our lovely DTs out there:
Never check a man who is a very likely lynch. If you find a guilty, well he's getting killed anyways. If you find an innocent, then you shouldn't be outing yourself to save him anyways unless there are very few players left in the game. The Godfather/third parties also give innocent checks.
To our lovely Vigilantes:
Likewise, if someone is declared a policy lynch or something of that nature, it is far better to have our Vigilantes shoot them instead. The lynch process gives us no information when reds can easily bandwagon lynch someone. Remember that the lynch is a process for finding information and connections as well, not just a simple kill.
Also, to add on to advice for DTs, especially as there are a lot of newer players present, always try to form a case around a player based on analysis if you get a guilty check. Do not just claim. Claiming early is never a good thing, as a 1-1 trade with mafia benefits them more than town.
On July 18 2011 11:51 Zona wrote: ^ Well, a "1-1 trade" benefits town a TON more than the mafia, if the town is vanilla. But a DT trade for a mafia is a poor one.
Oops, I might have screwed up the logic, haha. Been playing scum for too long. O.o
Green for mafia is an awesome trade, as we outnumber the mafia.
1-1 with a DT isn't great early on, especially depending on who the scum is. For example, if you checked random lurker A and they returned red, try to get them shot or lynched, don't claim. Trading a DT for a red lurker isn't a very good trade, when we can get additional use out of the DT. Use your discretion, but I think making a push for a lynch based on analysis should be the first step taken, before any kind of claim.
So essentially most of his posts are either about, The third parties or how to deal with clues.
He has actually done little scum hunting which is a typical trait of his scum play.
In my opinion Wiggles is trying very hard to not look like his regular scum meta by "Appearing" to put in effort but with the little scum hunting / FoSing from him he seems to have just concentrated on the mechanics side of the game (Basically fluff) and promote his "Town atmosphere" the best way he can.
FoS on Wiggles
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
Same as above, good decent reasoning behind the vote.
On July 18 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote: On redFF's behavior
You're on Coagulation's list as a veteran, but all of your posts have been fillers. They're like repetition of something someone else already said, advice you don't follow yourself, self contradictory or you're trying to start a fight with someone. I assume that you can do a lot better than that so why don't you?
On the Coagulation bandwagon
It's weird that Coagulation would post one liners and lists since it's basically setting him up for being day1 lynch target. A bandwagon can easily be formed in a game full of noobs especially when Ver's town guide kinda says on page1 that behavior like Coagulation's is a clear scum tell.
On CreamyButter
I think his logic has been pretty good and a new guy on scum team would probably wait until some of the more experienced players had layed down some sort of a strategy in the QT. I think that generally he's been doing very well and played the noob card very little considering that this is his first game. Also all the votes on him has been based on Palmar's pretty terrible 2 line analysis.
On my vote
I think that RebirthOfLegend should know that Coagulation would not do silly first-game mistakes and he's just trying to form a bandwagon in an environment where a bandwagon can easily be formed. He is trying to be the champion of the noobs, who will probably have a lot to say in this game.
##Vote RebirthOfLegend
Not as good as the first 2 examples, but still gives good reasoning behind the vote.
On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote: Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game. 1. snotboogie Newb 2. Deconduo Vet 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL 4. curu Newb 5. RebirthofLegend Vet 6. Amber[LighT] Vet 7. hiro protagonist Newb 8. nisani201 Newb 9. Pyo Newb 10.Drazerk Newb 11. supersoft Newb 12. Jackal58 LOL 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet 14. prplhz Newb 15. mig Newb 16. notasmurf Newb 17. kenpachi LOL 18. Syllogism Newb 19. Palmar Newb 20. Sevryn Newb 21. ghrur Vet 22. Varysthespider Newb 23. node Vet 24, coagulation Vet 25. kavdragon Vet 26. Lucidity Newb 27. ketomai Newb 28. creamybutter Newb 29. redff Vet 30. youngminii Vet 31. liquid`nazgul Newb 32. Shraft Newb 33. cjrninja Newb 34. visceraeyes Newb 35. theawesomeall Newb 36. eternalmisfit Newb 37. zona Vet 38. gtrsrs Newb 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb
This list was pointless and all it served to do was belittle and intimidate the newer players from posting. To that end, what is your agenda? The only objective this post served was to discourage newer players from posting which helps mafia force sheeping, which in a game this size is a considerable problem. To this end, I am voting for you.
##Vote Coagulation
I feel like this post is trying to make a coag bandwagon while coag probably should not have marked all the newbs but only the vets anyone he didnt mark as a vet would just assume newb so to even just make a list of vets isn't very different from the list that got made. I feel like RoL is exaggerating how discouraging this post was to newbs. As a new player the list made me want to read the thread closely and try to think about it for myself instead of just relying on older players to make all the decisions and just bandwagon on them. ##vote RebirthOfLeGenD
On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote: Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game. 1. snotboogie Newb 2. Deconduo Vet 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL 4. curu Newb 5. RebirthofLegend Vet 6. Amber[LighT] Vet 7. hiro protagonist Newb 8. nisani201 Newb 9. Pyo Newb 10.Drazerk Newb 11. supersoft Newb 12. Jackal58 LOL 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet 14. prplhz Newb 15. mig Newb 16. notasmurf Newb 17. kenpachi LOL 18. Syllogism Newb 19. Palmar Newb 20. Sevryn Newb 21. ghrur Vet 22. Varysthespider Newb 23. node Vet 24, coagulation Vet 25. kavdragon Vet 26. Lucidity Newb 27. ketomai Newb 28. creamybutter Newb 29. redff Vet 30. youngminii Vet 31. liquid`nazgul Newb 32. Shraft Newb 33. cjrninja Newb 34. visceraeyes Newb 35. theawesomeall Newb 36. eternalmisfit Newb 37. zona Vet 38. gtrsrs Newb 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb
This list was pointless and all it served to do was belittle and intimidate the newer players from posting. To that end, what is your agenda? The only objective this post served was to discourage newer players from posting which helps mafia force sheeping, which in a game this size is a considerable problem. To this end, I am voting for you.
##Vote Coagulation
I feel like this post is trying to make a coag bandwagon while coag probably should not have marked all the newbs but only the vets anyone he didnt mark as a vet would just assume newb so to even just make a list of vets isn't very different from the list that got made. I feel like RoL is exaggerating how discouraging this post was to newbs. As a new player the list made me want to read the thread closely and try to think about it for myself instead of just relying on older players to make all the decisions and just bandwagon on them. ##vote RebirthOfLeGenD
Hi Sevryn nice of you to join us.
What's your opinion on supersoft?
The main thing with supersoft is he seems to be acting pretty newbish for from looking at his post history having played a few games and it seems pretty obvious that claiming VT is pointless and only helps mafia so If he is town I don't understand why he would do so.
So who do you find more scummy
supersoft the innocent newb who is accidentally hurting town Or RebirthofLegend the big bad meanie who drives the bandwagon >
Also i don't think supersoft is an "innocent newb" as i said before this isn't his first game and he should know better. that combined with not wanted to lynch mig just because he was the only one to PM him seems scummy. ##unvote ##vote supersoft
On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote: Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game. 1. snotboogie Newb 2. Deconduo Vet 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL 4. curu Newb 5. RebirthofLegend Vet 6. Amber[LighT] Vet 7. hiro protagonist Newb 8. nisani201 Newb 9. Pyo Newb 10.Drazerk Newb 11. supersoft Newb 12. Jackal58 LOL 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet 14. prplhz Newb 15. mig Newb 16. notasmurf Newb 17. kenpachi LOL 18. Syllogism Newb 19. Palmar Newb 20. Sevryn Newb 21. ghrur Vet 22. Varysthespider Newb 23. node Vet 24, coagulation Vet 25. kavdragon Vet 26. Lucidity Newb 27. ketomai Newb 28. creamybutter Newb 29. redff Vet 30. youngminii Vet 31. liquid`nazgul Newb 32. Shraft Newb 33. cjrninja Newb 34. visceraeyes Newb 35. theawesomeall Newb 36. eternalmisfit Newb 37. zona Vet 38. gtrsrs Newb 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb
This list was pointless and all it served to do was belittle and intimidate the newer players from posting. To that end, what is your agenda? The only objective this post served was to discourage newer players from posting which helps mafia force sheeping, which in a game this size is a considerable problem. To this end, I am voting for you.
On July 18 2011 22:42 supersoft wrote: yoep, it's not my first game, but my first game with PMs. Like you said there is a tendency for not posting in the thread and writing PMs instead. Same thing for me.
On July 18 2011 22:54 supersoft wrote: I won't push for your lynch right now. You are the only person, that wrote me so far. :D
Derp.
##Unvote CreamyButter ##Vote Supersoft
That makes it pretty obvious, ##vote: Supersoft
Points out two posts, but doesn't actually SAY anything.
On July 19 2011 04:08 Shraft wrote: I'm unvoting coagulation, but I'm going to keep my eye on him.
##Vote supersoft
Pure bandwagon
On July 19 2011 04:11 Nisani201 wrote: Oh, and ##Vote: supersoft
Pure bandwagon
On July 19 2011 07:25 Kenpachi wrote: I think prplhz is mafia. ##vote prplhz
On July 18 2011 12:33 Coagulation wrote: Heres the list of newbs and vets in the game. 1. snotboogie Newb 2. Deconduo Vet 3. Kurumi NEWB LOL 4. curu Newb 5. RebirthofLegend Vet 6. Amber[LighT] Vet 7. hiro protagonist Newb 8. nisani201 Newb 9. Pyo Newb 10.Drazerk Newb 11. supersoft Newb 12. Jackal58 LOL 13. Mr. Wiggles Vet 14. prplhz Newb 15. mig Newb 16. notasmurf Newb 17. kenpachi LOL 18. Syllogism Newb 19. Palmar Newb 20. Sevryn Newb 21. ghrur Vet 22. Varysthespider Newb 23. node Vet 24, coagulation Vet 25. kavdragon Vet 26. Lucidity Newb 27. ketomai Newb 28. creamybutter Newb 29. redff Vet 30. youngminii Vet 31. liquid`nazgul Newb 32. Shraft Newb 33. cjrninja Newb 34. visceraeyes Newb 35. theawesomeall Newb 36. eternalmisfit Newb 37. zona Vet 38. gtrsrs Newb 39. ribboo Newb 40. sinani206 Newb
This list was pointless and all it served to do was belittle and intimidate the newer players from posting. To that end, what is your agenda? The only objective this post served was to discourage newer players from posting which helps mafia force sheeping, which in a game this size is a considerable problem. To this end, I am voting for you.
##Vote Coagulation
YES HAHA YADDA YADDA ##VOTE Coagulation THAT SCOUT IS SPY!
Pure bandwagon + some trolling thrown in for good measure.
On July 18 2011 17:16 supersoft wrote: hi guys, I am Blackgate Criminal. I was told to lynch everyone of the Asylums employees as well as batman moblike style. Therefor:
##VOTE Coagulation
Rol and Kurumi didn't influence me there. I already decided to vote him when I read his post earlier: He's just giving us this list without any further comment. Pressurevote!
Pure bandwagon
For vets, you should know better. You don't get any excuse. I would also like to point out that most of my good examples come from newer players who only have a few games under their belt. Its not too difficult to post well.
My vote for today goes on Kurumi. Everyone else is at least making some effort to promote a non-spammy, pro-town environment. Trolling just degenerates the game and only helps mafia.
Theses are his only non-spam posts:
On July 19 2011 06:00 Kurumi wrote: We don't need God's help, we just need vigis who can use their head and shoot freaking lurkers and herp derp flying under the radar superheroes.
Offering generic advice is a typical mafia move to look like they are doing something when in actuality they are not.
On July 19 2011 04:25 Kurumi wrote: Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved.
I wont be able to do anything useful today , will be active tomorrow
On July 19 2011 04:25 Kurumi wrote: Sorry but I won't be able to make something useful - I am really sorry for myself, but very happy about scum-hunt results. I think both bandwagons are leading into red lynch. More on that later. Please don't start food fights and other chaotic dumb things - atmosphere of town must be preserved.
Mafia typically feel guilty about being scum from the start. They tend to have a need to explain things and apologise. Note that supersoft has been doing this as well.
On July 18 2011 19:44 Kurumi wrote: Palmar , I love You . The Coagulation thing is just a funny joke . I am on my smartphone not even in the middle of trip . CreamyButter is my best Lynch candidate for today . Things like " I wont make enough posts " detailed scum strategy ( why the fuck we need that ?) and stuff I will look at and talk about when I get a pc to use are scummy. Coag needs to post something useful .
More apologising, though he does point out that Creamy is doing the exact same thing as he is.
I've given this some thought and after reading deconduo's post, I realised:
Hang on a second, my vote on supersoft is based on the fact that I don't have anyone better to vote for, I'm hoping that he's scum but he's probably just going to flip and turn out to be a bad townie.
The next thing I realised is that RoL has one or two small posts that's voting for Coag because he HELPED the town by creating a useful list (again, it's not one of those stupid zodiac list, this one is actually helpful). He doesn't give a proper explanation, all he gives is IIOA (there's a term I haven't seen in a while) and votes for him.
Not only that, then he goes and LURKS up until this point. Yeah, this is the guy that made a game specifically designed to curb lurking. Until I see some quality posts that explain his vote against Coag or posts that shows he's green, he's got my vote.
How is Coags list helpful? He rated me LOL. On that note I am going to bed. If anybody PMs me I will answer them in the morning. I had hoped to see a response from RoL before I quit for the night. Hopefully he will have something I can read in the morning.
On July 19 2011 10:11 youngminii wrote: I've given this some thought and after reading deconduo's post, I realised:
Hang on a second, my vote on supersoft is based on the fact that I don't have anyone better to vote for, I'm hoping that he's scum but he's probably just going to flip and turn out to be a bad townie.
The next thing I realised is that RoL has one or two small posts that's voting for Coag because he HELPED the town by creating a useful list (again, it's not one of those stupid zodiac list, this one is actually helpful). He doesn't give a proper explanation, all he gives is IIOA (there's a term I haven't seen in a while) and votes for him.
Not only that, then he goes and LURKS up until this point. Yeah, this is the guy that made a game specifically designed to curb lurking. Until I see some quality posts that explain his vote against Coag or posts that shows he's green, he's got my vote.
I concur the longer RoL lurks the more and more scummy he seems to me. I'm not going to change my vote back to him yet but if he doesn't start posting soon and constructively instead of trying to start a bandwagon for no reason I would suggest lynching him either instead of supersoft or at least to consider as a day2 lynch.
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