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Might play depending on when I'm out of real time mafia and when this is scheduled to begin. | ||
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I've decided I enjoy reading mafia more than actually participating. We'll see if I re-evaluate that position later | ||
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"Each player has a random amount of nuclear weapons (from 1-2)（unless otherwise specified） that they may shoot on any person they wish during this phase" It may be possible that there are a few special roles with no nukes, but the vast majority of players should have at least one | ||
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On July 05 2011 21:54 sandroba wrote: @syllo Ok explain to me in which scenario it is not beneficial to have 2 lynches per night cycle. We should absolutely have two "lynches" if it's based on majority voting. "Lynching" with nukes is different from normal lynches, however, because mafia may take down one or more of us and they may have nuclear resistance. If mafia only has 1 KP, I don't think it's possible for them to win without town misnuking a lot and them retaliating. | ||
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DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LAUNCH A NUKE ON YOUR OWN This applies even if you are being lynched or nuked. If someone does not follow this policy and nukes you, you still do not retaliate without town approval. | ||
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If so and assuming we get everyone to follow the plan, that seems like the best campaign | ||
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On July 06 2011 02:38 Palmar wrote: By the way, if we want to really fucking make sure no nukes go off today, I can launch a dud nuke (I don't have nukes), and so the only person that can be nuked is me. The mafia would be insane to retaliate  I think you misinterpreted the OP. I believe "only one missile may be fired at a time" means one person can't fire all his missile at once and does not mean no one else can fire for the duration of the flight. | ||
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The Nuclear Phase will end 12 hours after the launch of the first nuke, or barring that, 24 hours. Then, votes from this time will be tallied up for both Campaigns and Lynches. Lynch: This occurs after the last nuke has fallen or 24 hours, whichever occurs later. Votes accumulated during the nuclear phase are used to process a lynch. In addition, the Allied Campaign for the cycle will be activated and upon the following Day its effects will be implemented: Does that mean that if a real nuke is launched early on, the day will be shorter? | ||
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On July 06 2011 03:02 Kurumi wrote: ##Operation Watchtower So we do have: Operation Gunnerside, which gives us no mission tomorrow. Operation Dunkirk which probably will have a counter-operation for Axis during the night so I think it is a waste. Also Palmar nice false-nuke to stir the shit up, I approve it. That's a nonsensical assumption. If counter operations exists, it's just as likely such an operation would counter the other campaigns. For instance, I think it's likely there will be a campaign which gives axis more nukes. | ||
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##: Dunkirk Operation | ||
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On July 06 2011 03:58 sinani206 wrote: So scum missiles do more damage? ##Operation Gunnerside What's with people making wild assumptions just to avoid voting for objectively the most pro-town campaign | ||
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On July 06 2011 03:58 sinani206 wrote: So scum missiles do more damage? ##Operation Gunnerside Many players were guilty of this kind of hasty/shallow/poor analysis, but this seems particularly worrisome as it looks like an attempt to gain town cred rather than a town person voting for the best option. All nukes are lethal without nuclear resistance/extra lives and I think it's safe to assume few roles will have such perks. Thus, these "special" nukes aren't really a bigger threat than regular ones, especially as scum doesn't know who is resistant. Moreover, there's no reason to think only scum roles could have such nukes or that the campaign would prioritize "special nukes". Sinani206 would you explain why you put so little effort into this? Kurumi's analysis of the options was strange as well. ##vote Sinani206 | ||
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##vote Palmar | ||
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On July 06 2011 22:28 GMarshal wrote: Yes, lets oust all the power roles. I think mass claiming is a terrible idea, scum won't have that hard a time lying, and its just going to let the mafia figure out who the best targets are. I'm pretty sure every player got a name | ||
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On July 07 2011 02:00 TheAwesomeAll wrote: 12 hours from now That's what the previous post said and no way a nuke that was launched after that 12h period ended would extend is again. I imagine the previous post was simply wrong | ||
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##vote GMarshal | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:07 prplhz wrote: @syllogism Why don't you think that youngminii is scum? Because it makes no sense for mafia to nuke person who was being policy lynched, nor announce that they are shooting down a nuke. The second is somewhat WIFOM, but his actions are more townie than scum | ||
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On July 07 2011 03:54 Drazerk wrote: TAA started this mess by talking Mini into nuking Mataza. I do not have nukes and if the nuclear level gets any higher we are screwed. I know this and I won't let it happen we had policies in place before the minii nuke now they are all going down the hatchet. WE NEED TO RESTORE ORDER QUICKLY quickest way to do this? - Remove the corruption that started it ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Did you forget something | ||
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In a game of global thermonuclear war, no one wins | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:20 Mig wrote: syllo how is that role powerful? And why the fuck do we care about it at all? He has no kp and he doesn't care which side wins. Just let him sit there. "Due to being neutral you do not possess the ability to fire nukes but if you are killed in anyway the guilty player will die by divine intervention from your lord and savoir and the next night phase is skipped." Looks good to me? | ||
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Was that seriously a fake claim? Why would you do that as town | ||
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On July 07 2011 05:45 Drazerk wrote: Because people was believing any claim thrown out and it was annoying me. The Caller jokes was just flavour text I was adding in for the laughs. I don't believe you. I doubt a townie would do that, especially a new player. | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:00 GMarshal wrote: Aren't you the guy who was saying "kill scum" well he sure as hell isn't scum, so why are you killing him? I'm perfectly willing to lynch someone else if there's a good candidate, but we can't even know for sure he is the conspirator and not scum | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:07 Drazerk wrote: Take all my posts into consideration and not just the claim. Claim to prove a point which I did, I reclaimed it once it had been proven. Why would I do it as Scum / Conspirator as I am basically martyring with the claim something they don't do. Am I getting this straight: before the game begun you decided to pretend your role forced you to praise Caller in every post. Can you explain why you did this. Please don't say it was to prove a point later on | ||
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On July 07 2011 06:56 Drazerk wrote: It wasn't a posting restriction it was a laugh, although when I claimed I was just getting slightly sick of it. If you are truly town, never do it again, especially the fake claim part when it serves no pro-town purpose. | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:45 GMarshal wrote: That was rather unkind and nonconstructive. If I had such a theoretical ability perhaps you would not be a poor target. Pretty sure another team of agents is already on their way to his place | ||
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On July 07 2011 08:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'd still like to see a public check on you, and also, this would confirm that your nuke is gone, as it would be destroyed if you're lying, or else it wouldn't effect you at all. Nothing to worry about if you're telling the truth. :p There's a public check flying his way, eta a few hours | ||
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"Leon Trot-Ze: A cultist that can win with town" | ||
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Youngminii shot down a nuke that was headed towards a likely town/cult player (sandroba). He had no reason to do that, nor was there a reason to nuke a player that was about to be lynched anyway. In addition, it's somewhat unlikely that the person who diverted the nuke was mafia aligned as it was diverted towards the conspirator; this is WIFOM, but I think he is also likely town. Chaos13 is suspicious and I will be rereading his post history tonight. | ||
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On July 08 2011 18:17 Drazerk wrote: Fine with me although you should not trust a simple name claim. That's not the point, the point is if we can trust townies not to lie, it's possible to trust some claims and find other suspicious | ||
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On July 08 2011 23:52 GMarshal wrote: Why are we believing name claims its completely unprovable this is a CALLER game, for all we know Umadir Lenen is town until the conspirator is killed, then he discovers his love of donuts and becomes an Alien Menace/serial killer. Names mean nothing, roles mean nothing, actions are everything, and sandrobas actions don't point at him being town aligned. I think his actions are townier than yours, frankly. Constantly pushing policy lynches against people who you believe to be town and then using your faulty anti nuke to [attempt to] save one of said policy lynches. Misreading your role PMs. Even worse, you then entrust him with keeping the town in check despite him being the catalyst to this whole mess. I think you are town, but your play certainly hasn't been helping town so far. The focus should be people who haven't been keeping high profile | ||
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On July 09 2011 07:13 TheAwesomeAll wrote: lol, only the french dude has acces to google? So google it, instead of giving away free info | ||
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On July 09 2011 07:25 TheAwesomeAll wrote: dude, you just told mafia about google, now they know close to anything. Youre either dumb or scum. Assuming he survives Do you get it now? | ||
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you might as well be claiming medic in a regular game | ||
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Also OriginalName wasn't axis campaign supposed to be announced too? PaqMan why did you claim basically VT when there was little to no pressure on you? Do you also do this in standard games? | ||
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"Mataza saw all the nukes heading out and thought, gee, what a nice way to go. So he ran out into the middle of the field to welcome the new missile. Unfortunately for him, the missile armed a bit later than timed."" That would make GM's claim about his anti-nuke failing due to "shoddy chinese technology" a lie | ||
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On July 09 2011 22:14 youngminii wrote: lol i'm going to start collecting every post that is /facepalm worthy which you'll realise when i flip green since i don't really have anything else to do The only even remotely possible scenario for you not flipping red is if there's some kind of strange scum janitor role that allows rewriting role descriptions of people they hit. No way they would have used that to frame you though | ||
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On July 09 2011 22:46 Drazerk wrote: I hope my name claim has now completely changed your opinion on what role I am and now believe that I am in fact working for the good of humanity. Is your actual posting restriction to fake claim every day, because that role doesn't make sense either haha | ||
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On July 09 2011 22:56 sandroba wrote: @syllo you are a genious I hope you are not scum though =P. Yes, I've to say I'm rather satisfied with myself if I'm correct considering how much time I spent defending YM. His play doesn't make any sense at all for scum (it's kind of bad for town too but that's more realistic). | ||
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"Chales de Gaurre: If Paur Leynaud dies, you gain a vengeance ability that you may use when you die to kill anyone of your choice." | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10209743 and that youngminii was likely framed | ||
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On July 09 2011 23:58 GMarshal wrote: If he has no votes why hasn't he been modkilled? Sorry, but I hate lurkers. My opinion on ~Opz~ ? He has exactly the same response I do, when a situation is sketchy like that resolve it. Easiest way to resolve it is to kill the main suspect. Until you caught the tidbit about the win-con I would have happily lynched ym. I do think ~Opz~ has a couple scummy content-less posts, but those wanting to kill YM are in no way scummy, in fact they are the proper response. The problem is he wanted to lynch YM before this likely fake "flip" and after that he was "uncertain" | ||
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A small Chinese restaurant that has two diametrically opposed factions: Leaders: Cash Mai-Check and Malt Soydong. | ||
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probably not a valid question, but doesn't hurt to try | ||
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"i crunched two roles into 29" | ||
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1. Wrong victory condition (copied straight from OP). Youngminii knew the correct victory condition. 2. No axis campaign listed. The OP specifically states that "The Axis Campaign will begin the following night and will be announced in the Day post. ". This isn't conclusive unfortunately as it could be be announced on the next day post, rather than this one 3. The probability of mafia hitting the person who was used for fake claim on the same day is very low. 4. Youngminii wasn't forced to name claim. Why would mafia claim for no reason, especially such a high profile figure 5. This is WIFOM, but mafia hitting chaos13 didn't really make sense. There was nothing in his posts that hinted he was some high value target and he wasn't really pushing anyone hard. There were better targets. The only thing in posts stands out is the bit about NOT BELIEVING CLAIMS. It makes perfect sense to hit him if they were going to use him to frame someone. Not so much if they were afraid of him counterclaiming. 6. Youngminii's actions on day 1 don't make sense for mafia; this is obviously arguable 7. Youngminii's acting is stellar if he is actually mafia. Kudos in that case. Given the evidence against him, I think most players would give up 8. The day post is really lacking in content. Conveniently Caller was around so this doesn't prove much. 9. Chaos13 didn't counterclaim. Maybe he wasn't around, maybe he didn't want to claim until day 2 so he wouldn't be sniped before he got his extra life. Also, according to that day post, his ability is day vig... | ||
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Also vote Opz | ||
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"I do not like the idea of name claiming but if you all agree to it then so be it." | ||
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Anyway, given Caller said he combined two roles, I think it's likely those were the ones | ||
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On July 10 2011 03:35 Curu wrote: Syllo you have a grand total of two people asking me for my name. I don't see how this is in any way a majority. It was more in response to your speculation about there being posting restrictions that prevent claiming. At least we now know it doesn't apply to you. Anyway, I don't think there's a need to force you or most players to claim today if we are lynching Opz | ||
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Btw Chaos13's flip still isn't in op. Wonder why | ||
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the Doomsday machine ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qe428.jpg) A machine that is to be triggered automatically and at the same time is impossible to untrigger. Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the fear to attack. And so, because of the automated and irrevocable decision making process which rules out human meddling, the doomsday machine is terrifying. It's simple to understand. And completely credible, and convincing. If a nuke is launched, everyone follows the suit by launching their whole nuclear arsenal. Crude, but effective. I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy... heh heh... at the bottom of ah ... some of our deeper mineshafts. The radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep. That was a softclaim btw | ||
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"Borenard "Monty" Montsnoozery . Once per game, you can launch an infantry assault on a player during the day, killing him. You win when all the Axis members have been destroyed or have surrendered. Borenard Montgomery: You have two stealth missiles, which can be used to attack a player at night or to shoot down a missile. These launches (but not your regular nukes) will not be detected. How boring." ok this game doesn't make any sense, I guess I was wrong after all | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10214734 But we should still lynch Opz. | ||
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Can someone make any sense out of that chaos clue/death post, the bit about coffee/meat looks like a hint | ||
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unless one axis member steps forward, we will nuke until we reach the radiation cap | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10214646 Don't bother though | ||
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On July 10 2011 06:50 PaqMan wrote: LOL Mig I told you that ITS A CALLER GAME. Don't be so close-minded. Since that ordeal is now over with, I propose we lynch GGQ. Lol and sorry for quoting you opz >_> I fail. Cough http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10213069 | ||
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On July 10 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Or you can't launch nukes into orbit, kurumi O.o And why the hell do YM and chaos have the same name? Twins? Clones? wtf, Caller. Also, Mig, are you planning on discussing your nuke with town first, or are you going to follow the rest of the dummies and bring us down the road to Armageddon? Given the weird role description and the sheer coincidence, I'm still inclined to believe either Caller or scum team changed the role. Probably Caller | ||
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On July 10 2011 18:54 Mig wrote: Syllo you did seem the most likely to be town to me. What do you think about opz's defense and then him nuking you? Would you still lynch him? Also what are your thoughts on everyone trying to jump on lynching sandroba now. Kurumi I don't really know who you should nuke haha. It is hard to say what is best before seeing everyone flip. And half the people alive are already being nuked. I guess if you really want to nuke I would go with Opz/Eiii/prplhz It makes him look slightly better, but at best moves him to "null read" column. There are so many people just lurking and not really doing anything that I don't really have any suggestions | ||
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I've no idea why Opz chose to nuke me over deconduo, given his history with him and my play today. He also way overreacted to there being a few votes on him | ||
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I mean this makes you look so suspicious now, why would you ever say that if you were town | ||
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On July 10 2011 19:38 Mig wrote: Because my power is really strong and if mafia was going to try and snipe whoever had it at night they probably wouldn't hit me after I said that...... Should be obvious. I didn't intend on ever claiming my power unless someone shot a nuke at me and I was forced to use it to save myself. If you think I am lying look at these facts. A) How likely is it for a mafia member to use their power to save a townie by redirecting the nuke into the conspirator? B) No one has counter claimed me C) Paqman shot a nuke at me. I am about to either die or prove that I have the power. Perhaps you thought Mataza would get lynched instead if Palmar dies from your redirection and people would be suspicious of YM on the day after? Proving you have the power doesn't say much about your alignment. Making statements like that to very slightly lower the chances of you being sniped (this is a bad argument anyway because for all we know this game is full of powerful roles and scum can't even know if that was a one shot ability) just seems like something you shouldn't ever do as town. | ||
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On July 10 2011 19:57 Mig wrote: Syllo lol. If I am mafia and I know the top 2 lynch candidates are both not mafia then I want one of them alive. Because then after they lynch palmar town will likely waste the next day lynching mataza. I mean why in the world would I save YM and eliminate one of the major focuses for the town to have another mislynch. it just makes absolutely no sense for mafia. You are probably right, I just wanted you to clarify. I still maintain it was a bad comment to make. | ||
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When the last nuke lands? Ie. the one aimed at Eiii | ||
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On July 10 2011 21:01 sandroba wrote: no no no. King borege is in the game, no way scum could claim that. He was kind of cornered with his claim though as a lot of boreritish players had already claimed. It's also entirely possible their secondary win-con is to kill the real king borege and were just fishing for him. If Kurumi flips what he claims, how likely do you think it is that Coag was bussed? | ||
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Welcome | ||
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go town | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mLVeh.gif) These days are never-ending | ||
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I considered the possibility of caller trolling with that confirmation/trolling, but then concluded that if nothing in the game can be trusted, it wasn't really a game worth playing seriously. Was fun overall though | ||
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Unfortunately the few townies who were actually playing seriously had to spend too much time fighting against other townies just to stop stupid lynches/nukes to actually pin the mafia down. Mig was awesome except for that kitaman nuke slip up | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:22 deconduo wrote: We had a framer who could choose to frame dead bodies if he wanted. Cool, no idea why you decided it was a good idea to include win con though. Did your own win con look like the one in OP? Previous night posts didn't mention win cons or role descriptions even | ||
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that doesn't sound very fair | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:38 deconduo wrote: We had so many great fake claims. The best part was the more ridiculous the claim the more believable it is. If it gets questioned just say 'Caller game lol' They were all bad, except for the Boreritish ones, which were fairly neutral but that's easy when all you have to do is wiki some name | ||
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On July 13 2011 00:59 Drazerk wrote: Original role gave me 3 votes rather than one - + Show Spoiler + Because due to both me and originalname failing to account for your votes properly, we're changing your role. you now have the following ability: "We will defend our island, whatever the cost may be." When you activate it, any nuclear missiles fired (not exploding) will not increase the radiation count for the rest of the day. To activate it, post the following part of Churchill's speech in the thread, followed by a nuclear missile launch. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; We shall never surrender! Did you actually read that PM? It specifically says (not exploding)? That was what I meant when I said caller could have played word games with it | ||
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Not you, I meant curu/jeejee Your play was scummy, especially after you nuked me so I had no way to rule you out as a townie | ||
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On July 13 2011 02:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: I had a very honest reason, but yea, I understand. not to mention I wanted to live until day 3/4 cuz of Maginot Line, so i didn't want to get randomly nuked. Did you even read my analysis of decunduo? My trap for him? Where I COMPLETELY proved he was actively lurking vs just not being around? How about the lynch train that was running over me when I wasn't around? I wasn't there defending myself or nothing, but Decunduo seen a weak FoS on him and jumped to accuse someone who was guilty of the same shit, then got smacked in the face with an extremely better post that I was waiting to post. =/ Did seriously NO ONE but me realize that? I thought his play was scummy; my mistake was that I didn't realize he was a veteran player. I've a hard time deciding whether new players are scummy or just playing like new players tend to do. | ||
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On July 13 2011 02:16 Curu wrote: And yeah, you had no cred. I also want to say that the general level of TL Mafia is a lot less refined than actual Mafia forum gameplay (as it should be, people come on TL to talk about SC2 while people go to actual Mafia forums to play Mafia). More advanced techniques like tunnel hunting/chainsaw, random voting to draw out responses, judging people based on if they are too self-interested rather than willing to be sacrificed to gain information, etc are not going to be recognized by most of the players so drawing a case around that is going to go unnoticed most of the time. Like mafia scum or some other forum? Because I tried reading some mafia scum games and they were all awful. Very spammy | ||
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