Real Time Mafia - Page 6

On July 01 2011 09:42 Palmar wrote:


youngminii got this completely right.

There is a very strong case against GMarshal on the table.

He has claimed a role that makes it incredibly easy to confirm him. Sure the mafia will off him, but it will throw light on the situation.

He has yet to be shot. I am pleading to you guys, you one shot vigilantes. Please, please shoot GMarshal and then claim it in the last 6 hours of the day.

It would be detrimental to town if you force us to lynch him. GMarshal must be shot to produce a better atmosphere to work in. Your services are required. The Brother Leader and Guide of the Town needs your help. This is only in the name of justice and for the good of our people.

Show that you are a loyal townie, shoot GMarshal.

On July 01 2011 10:00 supersoft wrote:
if we're really clever, our medic will save GMarshal, so he won't even lose a hitpoint in this process...

On July 01 2011 18:14 GMarshal wrote:


Take note. This is what is called pushing a mislynch. I'm not asking anyone to let me live through the game. We know theres a comp-vigi who shot DB this morning. Have him shoot me tomorrow. I'll claim when I get hit, if I'm lying then the comp vig knows and can shoot me. Guaranteed townie or dead scum, its win win. Doesn't even require anyone else to claim, I lie, I die.

Or you can waste a lynch.

On July 01 2011 18:20 syllogism wrote:
No, the comp vigi does not have to reveal as he can just shoot GMarshal on d4. Actually even revealing himself to lynch red at this point wouldn't be a bad alternative

On July 01 2011 18:22 GMarshal wrote:

Comp vig dosn't have to claim...

He shoots me, I get notified and claim it.

If I lie about taking a hit then the comp vig knows Im scum and blows my head off.

If I dont get my head blown off I'm telling the truth.

Where does the vig claim?

On July 01 2011 19:35 supersoft wrote:
Am I right? Varpulis killed Lanaia and Kenpachi with his bombs. Consequently mafia has one KP left?

On July 01 2011 19:38 supersoft wrote:


no, I meant for today. I know that there are 3 mafioso left.

On July 02 2011 03:44 syllogism wrote:
Oh I didn't believe that at all, it was just something worth considering. It doesn't even have to be the GF, but you can infer things from activity during kills regardless of whether it was the GF who send in the kills.

On June 30 2011 08:07 sinani206 wrote:

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• Number and length of posts
  Nisani201 has 36 posts in the thread, 24 of which are from after the Day 1 post. His mean post length is 2.5 sentences, his mode post length is 2 sentences, and his maximum post length is 6 sentences which he reached 2 times. Just keep these numbers in mind as I continue this analysis.
  

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• Contentless posting
  Here is an example of one of Nisani201's better posts:
  
  
  On June 29 2011 07:59 Sinani201 wrote:
  

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  On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
  @Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town.

  
  
  I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch.
  
  Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote.
  
  ##Vote: Drazerk
  
  
  In this post, he simply agrees with sandroba's thoughts that syllogism is town and Cthsazsa's analysis, which showed that Drazerk was scum. He does not provide any new content.
  
  
  His other 6-sentence gem:
  
  
  On June 29 2011 10:33 Sinani201 wrote:
  This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.
  
  I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam.
  
  That is all.
  
  
  He provides one tiny piece of advice: not to kill spammy players, which is only half-right: lynch scum, shoot spammers. He re-references Cthasza's analysis and defends his vote, but he doesn't give any evidence of Drazerk's "contradictions and slip-ups."
  
  These are Nisani201's two longest posts, and both of them are simply parroting what others have said and stating the obvious without adding any new analysis to the table.
  

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• Active lurking
  Here are some examples of what the average Nisani201 post looks like:
  
  
  On June 28 2011 11:57 Sinani201 wrote:
  No more stupid TF2 Garry's Mod videos.
  
  This is serious business.
  
  
  On June 28 2011 14:15 Sinani201 wrote:
  Sorry, bad formatting.
  
  Please change my name on the player list to "Nisani201 (Sinani201)" as that is what I should be known as throughout the game
  
  
  On June 28 2011 14:40 Sinani201 wrote:
  

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  On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
  I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned.
  
  

  
  
  Palmar is not in this game, he submitted /out soon before the game started.
  
  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&currentpage=6#109
  
  
  On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote:
  The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
  
  
  On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote:
  When is Day over?
  
  What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie?
  
  
  These are all bits of information that are not useful to the town in any way and questions that can easily be answered by reading the OP. He makes these posts because he doesn't want to have to post content, but he doesn't want to seem inactive.
  

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• Scummy play
  
  On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:
  

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  On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
  Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
  
  I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
  
  If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?

  
  
  You're already voting for me?
  
  First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201.
  
  Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely.
  
  I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
  
  
  First, I pressure him into posting and he responds by saying that he will contribute when he has enough information. Let's see what he means by contribute:
  
  
  On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:
  

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  On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
  Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.

  
  
  From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.
  
  
  This is his "analysis" of chaos13, where he points out that he is either Mafia or Medic. This contribution does not help town at all. The fact that he could be on either side is useless, and pointing out that he could be Medic helps Mafia, as GMarshal pointed out.
  
  His next "contribution:"
  
  
  On June 29 2011 09:38 Sinani201 wrote:
  I don't really understand how the first quote from him is a scumslip. The second one is iffy; I could see why you might think it's suspicious but it could by no means be used as a primary argument.
  
  
  He is referring my supposed scumslips which were posted by sandroba. He refuses to take a stance on my play. He is acting extremely safe and neutral, which is a scummy trait.
  
  A more recent post:
  
  
  On June 30 2011 00:40 Sinani201 wrote:
  Drazerk has posts that give off scumtells. For Viscera, it's a lack of posts.
  
  I don't understand why the bandwagon against Drazerk is a bad thing. A lot of people are voting for him. That just means Cthsasa's analysis against him was good. It's not OMGUS, it's just agreement.
  
  
  He says that a lot of people are voting for Drazerk because Cthazsa's analysis was good. I assume he was talking about himself as well when he said this. He subtly explains that he is voting because of the analysis, not because he actually thought that Drazerk was scummy. This is a major scumslip. He is basically saying he found a good analysis to hide behind.
  
  Finally, he says this in response to Drazerk's analysis of me:
  
  
  On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
  You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
  
  
  This is a scummy post because Drazerk's analysis of me was good because it could have started some healthy discussion, and as scum, Nisani201 would want to stop all discussion, which he does, which proves his scumminess.
  

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That took an hour and a half to write.
Whew.
My vote will stay on VisceraEyes today, but tomorrow, I urge all of you to vote for Nisani 201.
Thank you, good sirs.

On July 02 2011 00:59 Sinani201 wrote:
Why do people think I'm scum? You've accused me a few times this game, please explain why.

On July 02 2011 05:20 gtrsrs wrote:
oh yeah herp
for some reason i thought we were on a new day derp

yeah i think it's likely that viscera is faking it
by not revealing varpulis' role, and only breadcrumbing that he was blue (in fact i think he only said "varpulis is innocent" which mafia would obviously know), he was able to let the mafia hit varpulis, and if varpulis flipped green he could have said something like "nice! i baited the mafia into hitting a green, my breadcrumbs worked!"

so then we've got
kenpachi
drazerk
dropbear

and in my eyes, 3 of the following
sinani201
hiro protagonist
viscera
GMarshal

or maybe sinani206 who is now supersoft.

pretty solid list to work with. i feel like it might have come too easily though. if GMarshal was scum i doubt he'd let his team make mistakes like they're making. but at the same time he HAS claimed to be busy, so that would explain his lack of leadership.

anyways i guess the right thing to do is lynch sinani/hiro today, shoot GMarshal tomorrow, and lynch viscera tomorrow, right?

On July 01 2011 01:45 chaos13 wrote:
The people I am most suspicious of right now:
youngminii - Started off Day 1 with random accusations less than an hour in, attempting to disrupt a pro-town atmosphere. He still hasn't convinced me he is town. I'd like to see explanations for posts like this one


GMarshal - Started off Day 1 extremely pro-town, but has had some weird things going on at the end into the beginning of Day 2. This will easily be solved by a smart vigilante. We either have dead scum or confirmed vet

syllogism - Giving me bad vibes, and there was something specific that I or someone else had earlier (if I didn't mention it, somebody else did and I made a mental note of it and forgot to actually record it). I'll see if I can find it tomorrow

OpZ - For a veteran player he's not doing too well. Ended up on the lurker list and hasn't been pro-town by any stretch of the imagination. He would be an excellent lurker hit today imo.

People I think are town
sinani206 - I was rather suspicious of his posts to begin with, so I checked over them. I think it is far more likely that he is town than scum, he has had some that can be construed as anti-town, but I do not believe that was their intention.

Palmar - Sure, there are some people who are suspicious of him, but all I can see is that it revolves around him being too pro-town. He has shown that he is charismatic and can be a good leader, and he has had many opportunities to use this to completely derail discussion, but has instead used it to focus discussion when it begins to get scattered or off-topic.

Uncertain
VisceraEyes - Could be DT, could be a major bus. However, if he returns Varpulis result as town and viscera is scum, he'll easily be counterclaimed. Varp, if he claims you are vanilla town and you are a blue role, wait until the last six hours to refute his claim.

Lanaia - I had an early town read on (him/her?) because everything posted was consistently solid and pro-town. However, since then I haven't seen much content, and I am growing more suspicious.

Cthsazsa - Similar case to Lanaia. I already made an admittedly weak case, and he shot it down with no problem. It was such a good case that I was convinced he was town. However, a lack of content since then has disturbed me.

Vain - I have seen nothing really pro-town, so I'll be keeping a close eye on him. He's leaning more towards scummy than uncertain.


Anyone else I have no real read on at the moment. The uncertain players I mentioned are simply the ones I have no read on that stand out to me.