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TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
June 29 2011 06:32 GMT
#541
dr Helvetica <3
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 06:50 GMT
#542
Quick recap:
On June 29 2011 01:04 sandroba wrote:
Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum.


Before this TAA never mentions Drazerk. After he goes on a tunneling spree like a maniac. Guess Drazerk is scum after all.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 29 2011 07:05 GMT
#543
On June 29 2011 03:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 02:51 GMarshal wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk


Please, please, please keep it down to one or two candidates day 1, too many FoSes only causes chaos and disjointed voting. If you want to push my case go for it, but limit yourself to that and maybe one other, posting 4 mafia candidates allows the mafia to push whichever ones they want from that list, while ignoring the guilty.

solid point man,

hiro
GM

so hard to choose between drazerk and hiro, but since drazerk was town last time we played he must be town now.
(i take metagame arguments with a grain of salt :>)
(nevermind read his recent post)

Drazerk
GM

Lets give Drazerk some credit. Because after all, who started the bandwagon against 201? who succesfully shifted the discussion away from GM? Hell yeah, Drazerk .
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:
After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first?

At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later )

On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 14:26 DropBear wrote:


2.
On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.

I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.

If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted?


You're already voting for me?

First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201.

Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely.

I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.

This little exchange confuses me. Why was it necessary to do this? Scumbuddies I wonder, trying to keep each other from being lurker targets? This early matey stuff reminds me of Irish_Punk13 in XXXIX. We all know what alignment he ended up flipping. Voting Edward the 1st.


You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time.


As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid

On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:
On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first.


From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.


Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list


Wow they are talking with each other and not really contributing. You know why that isnt scummy?
Because they arent trying to blend in. They seems oblivious of the town, there is no way they are getting lynched, because they are town (or so they think)
They have no fear and are two untamed lovers using every communication they got to express that.
Scum doesnt do that

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On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything.

On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:
I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though.

Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote?
You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that .
Also you are playing so defensive
On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.

My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.

what was that post about, who is accusing you?
FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk

YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance.
Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes.
Discussion derailed.
As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia,
But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynched

Drazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia?


How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?

Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.

And he didnt say anything

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 01:35 Drazerk wrote:
On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:
On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:

a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.

It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.

But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.


Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game )

Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it?


From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all


Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"

...
His other posts are about the Scum Walhalla that is lurkers and technical issues. The important thing is how he succefully diverted attention from GM. Discuss.

(dt check this guy, shoot GM imo)


well, thats that then.

##Vote Drazerk
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 29 2011 07:06 GMT
#544
Better yet, just shoot this guy, so we can lynch someone else with better info.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 29 2011 07:40 GMT
#545
Well okay I don't see anything wrong with lynching Drazerk now. I'll laugh my ass off if he flips non-red.
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 07:49 GMT
#546
Catching up now, we should bear in mind it takes 12 hours to get DT check results back. Thus he definitely didn't have time to get his check back in reaction to your post and he would have had to check him based on Drazerk's first post in the thread or just randomly. I think he is the best lynch target currently based on his posts. I'll have to recheck the timeline to see if him checking Drazerk and then pushing him makes sense.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 07:57 GMT
#547
It's pure WIFOM, but I've to say I liked Drazerk lynch more before TAA flipped DT. Drazerk was already being pushed, so why would mafia kill TAA? If they thought TAA might be DT, this would just make people even more suspicious. DT only has one check a day so they could just snipe him tomorrow morning and attempt to derail Drazerk lynch some other way
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 08:36 GMT
#548
His posts are still scummy, especially him hugging GMarshall and then talking about confirmed townies, bizarre

##vote Drazerk
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
June 29 2011 09:27 GMT
#549
Oh gawd, while I'm at a midnight premiere a DT gets shot

On June 28 2011 23:46 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
shit just got real


I couldn't have said it better.


I am still headstrong in my belief that Drazerk is scum and I'm sticking to my guns.
But if he flips green I will be full of giggles.
Also, I agree with Sandroba's idea of a vigi shooting Drazerk.

Since syllo made such an obvious blue hint (one that someone even pointed out), I am really surprised that TAA was shot instead of him?

I know TAA most likely didn't get any DT results back, but this should be no-shit thinking. We should take a look at what people TAA was after. Chances are someone in his 4-person list is scum.
I would do it now, but it's 4 AM and I'm only human...
goodnight Town!
t(ツ)t
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 09:53 GMT
#550
VisceraEyes is scum.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 10:05 GMT
#551
Btw GM started the game out really strong.

Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.

I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 10:10 GMT
#552
VisceraEyes' play definitely does not look like his town play in PTP, SNMMII and XLII
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 10:14 GMT
#553
On June 29 2011 00:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 00:09 youngminii wrote:
i like the way you think theawesomeall

don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this
i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now

okay i'm gonna head off now i'll be back when i wake up

if GM is scum, he is GF. Please dont check him.


I had a better look at what TAA might have breadcrumbed.

This one stuck out, and the timing fits too.

Does this mean that he checked GM and got an innocent report?

I'm definitely not trying to clear GM, as TAA continued to push for him as mafia later, but this looks more like a clue than anything else in TAA's post history.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 10:25 GMT
#554
On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying?


This isn't VisceraEyes, he's much more like me in that he likes to shoot first and talk later.

On June 28 2011 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY.


Nice, where is your research?

On June 28 2011 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Sandroba

GM fully admits to subscribing to a controversial stance that he'll catch flack for. Don't you think he'd be toning it down a bit on the lurker-hunt if he were scum?


I don't know, uncalled soft defense of GM, not much of a scumtell.

On June 29 2011 01:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Only 4 pages in 8 hours...not bad guys, but it seems we're caught up in a lot of mudslinging and tunneling, something I thought we as a town vowed not to do d1.

Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE.

I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading.


point a, if there is anything VisEyes does well it's tunneling. This guy can put out ridiculous amount of pressure on people if he feels like it, but somehow the king of tunneling is now against that? It almost feels like a different person playing.

Also, where is your case? You've posted enough in other games you're playing. Stop pretending to be reading and working when you're not about to deliver.

On June 29 2011 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
It appears the main topic of discussion here is Dazek vs. Syllogism. In the name of keeping discussion down to a few candidates, I'm going to go ahead and read back through these two individuals' posts. Stay tuned!


I'm tuned.

There is nothing on the radio.

On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.

Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.

Back to reading. -.-


More soft defending GM, again, I just don't like the smell of this.

I think VisceraEyes is scum




So, here is my suggestion on what we do in the situation. VisceraEyes has basically contributed nothing to the discussion, but he has soft defended GM a couple of times. This is one of the times I'd say we have an excellent vigi target.

If we shoot VisEyes and thus flip him, we have information on what could be the motivation behind his defense of GM, and we're rid of someone who repeatedly doesn't contribute and fails to deliver, and is scummy as hell.

Seriously, I've played enough with this guy to know this is not his town play. If he was town he'd probably be trying to get me hanged or something, he'd at least be on a crusade. That's how he rolls.


Computer says mafia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
June 29 2011 11:07 GMT
#555
On June 29 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
Btw GM started the game out really strong.

Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.

I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings.

Palmar, TAA can't have found a mafia.

On June 25 2011 09:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Detective: You are a detective. You have two powers. Starting Day 1 you may choose to check a players role. Once the action is submitted, it takes you 12 hours to perform the investigation and you will receive your result 12 hours after the action is submitted.


Is it really likely that he would have got a result back yet? I don't think so.



The Drazerk bandwagon has formed with a speed I've never seen before. It scares me that he now has 12 votes and the next highest is 2. There has been absolutely zero opposition to it. Does this ring alarm bells for anybody else?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 12:32 GMT
#556
On June 29 2011 20:07 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:
Btw GM started the game out really strong.

Are we ignoring the possibility of him being the mafia that TAA found? For a relatively new player like TAA (btw, don't be sad, you played well), checking the most outspoken person in the game sounds like a clever thing to do.

I'm going to go back and have a look at the timings.

Palmar, TAA can't have found a mafia.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 09:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Detective: You are a detective. You have two powers. Starting Day 1 you may choose to check a players role. Once the action is submitted, it takes you 12 hours to perform the investigation and you will receive your result 12 hours after the action is submitted.


Is it really likely that he would have got a result back yet? I don't think so.



The Drazerk bandwagon has formed with a speed I've never seen before. It scares me that he now has 12 votes and the next highest is 2. There has been absolutely zero opposition to it. Does this ring alarm bells for anybody else?


Well why the hell are we bandwagoning him then.

here are some important timings to think about.

TAA died 27 hours after the game started, that's definitely enough time to decide and investigate. In fact, investigating early is good because that allows the cop to build a case and steer the town in the right direction with ample time before the lynch.

TAA's report that GM could only be godfather and DT's should not waste their checks on him came 12 hours and 15 minutes into the game.

It's almost as if TAA saw GMs big opening post and decided to simply start out investigating this person who was taking a clear leadership role in town.

So yes.

I disagree that he couldn't have investigated.

I agree that the Drazerk train is dumb at the moment. My alternative is hanging VisceraEyes.

##Unvote Drazerk
##Vote VisceraEyes


I will not be able to sway town on my own.

Please, help me in this town, let's turn this bandwagon around and get VisEyes hanged instead. I have an analysis on him earlier.

DropBear, I challenge you to be the first one to join me.
Computer says mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 12:38 GMT
#557
As I noted above, I'm liking Drazerk lynch less based on TAA's flip and timings. Visceraeyes isn't playing his usual town style. As of now I concur he is the better lynch

##Vote VisceraEyes
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 29 2011 12:41 GMT
#558
EBWOP: as of now = right now
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#559
I don't know about Drazerk. As people point out, the bandwagon against him is forming at quite an amazing speed.
Him hugging GM was bad, but it just seems like gullible townie taking a huge leap of faith on the first ray of light.
TAA tunnelling him was a disadvantage to drazerk as we all know TAA's alignment now.
But TAA started off drilling at GM. I think he just associated everyone that defended GM with him together.

FoS GM Hiro and VisceraEyes
GM soft defended hiro and quickly back off like TAA mentioned earlier. i find it wierd for someone as outspoken as him, maintains a neutral ground like his. He asked TAA to for opinions on hiro but never gave his own. In fact he has ask people for opinions and then post out his own after people gave theirs. Why be so passive if you want to take a leadership position?


If you think drazerks is posting fluff. take a look at hiro's post. Its worst. All they say are "hi i'm here, too scared to take a stance" He has never post an analysis on anyone that is worth something but always comes onto the bandwagon after a few players voted.

On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.

Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.

Back to reading. -.-


blanket statements everywhere. Covering both side of the spectrum so he can always fall back if shit blows up.

still waiting for the analysis too VisceraEyes

so i'm gonna ##Vote hiro protagonist
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#560
On June 29 2011 21:56 Hyaach wrote:
I don't know about Drazerk. As people point out, the bandwagon against him is forming at quite an amazing speed.
Him hugging GM was bad, but it just seems like gullible townie taking a huge leap of faith on the first ray of light.
TAA tunnelling him was a disadvantage to drazerk as we all know TAA's alignment now.
But TAA started off drilling at GM. I think he just associated everyone that defended GM with him together.

FoS GM Hiro and VisceraEyes
GM soft defended hiro and quickly back off like TAA mentioned earlier. i find it wierd for someone as outspoken as him, maintains a neutral ground like his. He asked TAA to for opinions on hiro but never gave his own. In fact he has ask people for opinions and then post out his own after people gave theirs. Why be so passive if you want to take a leadership position?


If you think drazerks is posting fluff. take a look at hiro's post. Its worst. All they say are "hi i'm here, too scared to take a stance" He has never post an analysis on anyone that is worth something but always comes onto the bandwagon after a few players voted.

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I fail to see how you flipping green will prove ANYTHING about GM. You could just as easily be wrong about GM. However, if you flip RED, it's unlikely that GM is town...but I wouldn't lynch him based on that alone.

Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin.

Back to reading. -.-


blanket statements everywhere. Covering both side of the spectrum so he can always fall back if shit blows up.

still waiting for the analysis too VisceraEyes

so i'm gonna ##Vote hiro protagonist


Just so you know.

until you present a better case against hiro, you are not helping town stop the drazerk bandwagon by presenting yet another option.

a) build a stronger case against hiro than the one that currently exists against VisEyes

b) join us in lynching VisEyes.

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