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On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him.
Do an analysis of me plz!!!
PRETTY PLZ!!!!
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On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target.
That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it.
Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit.
My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else.
I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar.
I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always.
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On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target. That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always.
sry. Clarity.
GM should of just claimed he was vig hit at the start of the game and tried to draw the scum hit. But he's apparently a nub vet. Sad face.
And I dunno if I believe VE yet. I suppose we should wait til the 6 hours and make him state Varpulis' role....And Honestly....I don't care how varpulis feels about being role claimed for by VE. Varp should only verify if VE is right, and not state whether or not he likes the idea of his role being publicly said by someone else. If he says he is okay with it, he is likely just a townie and makes VE's possible guess that much easier.
Although if he was MH, or medic, I see the problem.....@_@ Where's a bus drivet when you need one?
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On July 01 2011 04:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 01 2011 04:35 Palmar wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 30 2011 23:20 Jackal58 wrote:
Well that should teach me to forgo sleep. 10 pages of mostly useless shit.
The Lurker list:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
GGQ
aprudds
Eiii
Of those that made it 2 are players that have been subbed. aprudds is now Mataza. Welcome to the cluster fuck Mataza. And GGQ. GGQ's apparent lack of activity has disappointed me, however no matter his alignment he never posts a shitload anyways. At least not in the 5 or 6 games I've played with him. I'm thinking if a vig wishes to shoot into that list you avoid those 2 atm.
That leaves:
hyaach
Mr Wiggles
Opz
Kenpachi
Eiii
Who the fuck is hyaach? If he has indeed avoided a modkill I think he would make an excellent lurker vig shot.
Of the others between Mr.Wiggles, Opz, and Eii I'll bet one of them is scum. I'm leaning towards Opz.
I also think the odds are extremely high that VisceraEyes and the rest of the scum team bussed Drovzk (sp). There is already some evidence that TAA had already checked him (I don't know if the time line bears this out. If it's already been checked please spare me the effort of connecting the dots) The odds of both DTs checking the same player on the same day just seem rather low to me. If that is the case and you guys buy that he is DT then scum have managed to manipulate a medic protect while allowing him to claim role block ad nauseum. This part is important. If you are role blocked claim it immediately. If Viscera is scum then the scum team has pretty much handcuffed their RB ability.
GMarshal appears to be combining his last mayoral campaign with his endgame play in PTP. Both times he was scum. By all means if you have a gun shoot him. Do an analysis of me plz!!! PRETTY PLZ!!!! This guy i an excellent lurker-vig target. That's not possible....Point your icky finger at me again and I'm biting it. Come on Jackal, I can't have a little fun...I'm waiting for the herd to thin out a bit. Can't stand this 30+ pages a day shit. My opinion's as of now, VIGING GM IS RETARDED. Scum would pop him the instant he claimed vig hit. He should have just claimed he was vig hit. If there is another vig out there, he'd probably be thinking "Oh shit, there's ANOTHER vig? Okay. That makes sense." and tried to draw the scum hit instead. Nub. Put a point in malicious anti-scum plotting. GM Scum would love to pop you if you were town, at least according to everyone else. I've been very vehemently stating that I don't think vigi's should pop people this early (But good job with DropBear). Honestly, if GM does die, and pops town, I'd point at all those people who said for a vig to shoot him. YoungMinii and You, Mr. Palmar. I also very much so think YM is scum, buuuuuuut with that said, I always think YM is scum....Always. I don't trust YM, read up and see I suggested him for a DT check. And once again, I want to kill GMarshal. I want him dead and I stand by that notion. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But I outlined my reasons quite clearly in my analysis of his actions around and after the Drazerk lynch. But sure, you can come guns blazing at me. I'm at my best when under heavy pressure, that's why I'm putting myself in the driver's seat for this town. If you think Youngminii is scum, why don't you actually do something useful and try to prove to the rest of us he's scum? Same thing if you think I am scum. The first part of the Day should be all about figuring out who we are going after. If YM is scum, and you called it, but never got even close to getting him lynched, that doesn't make you right, it simply makes you a bad townie. Being right and being smart is useless if you can't actually turn that knowledge into something.
Yes, yes...It's the lack of tact and sadly my failure of communicating that give me problems. I suck at pressing matters. Last game I had BC pegged from day 1, and shraft too. I posted about shraft even, but I didn't keep going, it was ignored by many.
And my problem with YM is that I ALWAYS THINK HE IS SCUM. Every time he posts I want to find him and strangle him.
And if you are mafia, of course you would want to kill GMarshal.
I don't post a lot, I work 7 to 3 almost every day. The post I made earlier, saying to vote for him if you think he's scum? I was at work on my break when I posted it. I'm sorry it wasn't lengthy. If a vig would like to lurker hit me, he better do it today. I told you all I thought the game would start a few days further out, and that my activity would increase afterward.
Kenpachi, where art thou? Lemme know if you're around. You too Jackal.
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Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that.
Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....
Hi Jackal!!!!!
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On July 01 2011 10:48 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that.
Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....
Hi Jackal!!!!!
EBWOP:
And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....
Four minutes after, and this was followed by a few more posts
+ Show Spoiler +On July 01 2011 04:49 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:24 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:On July 01 2011 04:01 Caller wrote:
Yes I lied. I openly admit it. But it doesn't matter. I can lie as much as I want, but once you die tomorrow I am 100% proven clean town. Even if I lied to do so. No reason to lynch proven town at all.
Also, Fishball MUST be lying. If BC dies by himself (meaning only person that dies tomorrow is BC), first, I'm proven innocent as seen above. ???? How? did you not read BC telling the truth: I had 1 KP and it was used up. Therefore I cannot kill BC, therefore, I am not mafia. Either the mafia will kill him, or he will not die. If I were mafia, I would have infinite KP, as I had already said. BC lying: He is mafia, mafia cannot shoot other mafia, I shoot him with my 2nd (and last bullet), he dies, therefore I am not mafia. 1st I agree with your assertion that mafia cannot kill themselves. At least I have never been in a setup that allowed for it. But this is Ace's game so who the fuck knows. 2nd if BC is the only player hit tonight I still don't see how that would in any way indicate or confirm you are town. If scum and you both hit BC then BC is dead and you have your "mystery" bullet back. If only scum hit BC then that raises the probability of him telling the truth. Which means you are for some reason lying now which does town no good. If BC doesn't die the probability of you FB and BC all being scum or alternately batshit fucking insane goes through the roof.
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Fuck...Disregard...Autopager is fucking with me....-_-...Anyway...blah blah blah, he still ignored it...-_-...And I find him scummy.
Got that off my chest.
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On July 01 2011 11:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 10:48 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Well....Everyone should go reread Jackals posts....Lots of soft defending of Drazek and pushing for GMarshall...He didn't really pressure, but he didn't stick his neck out either. He usually posts later on in games, like myself, but for that same reason I appear scummy and he does not? -_-....Any point you point at me, Jackal stands the same exact way. I even mildly defended Drazek, and argued for VE, but I gave my reasons. VE's constant spamming talking about other games, did nothing but increase the thread size. Hell, I was pissed at half the town for that.
Oh, I also asked Jackal if he was around earlier....He never bothered answering me, even though I asked if he was around one page prior....And was posting at the exact same time of my post in Closed Casket Mafia....
Hi Jackal!!!!! Hi OpZ. I think I was talking to you when you asked if I was around? So anyways I was around. If it wasn't apparent to you I can't help you. I believe the closest I came to defending him was calling him a derp. I saw too many people I thought were scummy voting for him. And the closest I have come to pushing GM was stating that if a Vig felt inclined to shoot him I had no problem with it. If you're butt hurt that i called you the scummiest of the lurkers get over it. I already told you that was to see the reactions of the others on the list. So far there has been none. Leads me to believe you're all a bunch of clueless townies. Wanna lynch me for it go ahead. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts.
Now, now good sir, calling me butt hurt for accusing me? No. I'm saying that all out of what I've read.
On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him
that's all you need The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall.
On June 30 2011 01:59 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 01:30 chaos13 wrote:On June 30 2011 01:17 Jackal58 wrote:On June 30 2011 00:54 youngminii wrote:
drazerk is more scummy than visceraeyes in that our only DT was tunneling him
that's all you need The question there is who did he really check? A better argument can be made that he checked GMarshall. Exactly this. You are betting on the fact that he checked Drazerk, when we have no way of knowing for sure. In fact, he could have been roleblocked or not have used his check at all yet. It brings to mind Mafia XXXIX, in which Mig flipped DT in the endgame. Everyone was convinced he checked me because he randomly said he thought I was town twice. However, the obvious read was not correct - he had checked someone completely different. Use analysis, not assumption. TAA also had his vote on GM. There are also a few people voting for Drazerk that I am getting some scummy vibes from. I am not calling him town for that reason or for any other I would just prefer to wait a while yet before I vote for anybody.
On June 30 2011 05:08 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you? Nobody is an established anything until they flip. On Gmarshals absence. I do know he had vehicle problems last night. I was in a game he was hosting on another site last night and his day post was about an hour late. He made his daypost with an apology for being late I PMed him to find out which asshole killed me and he responded immediately with an apology and reason for being late He apparently has had an incident or accident of some sort. I haven't seen him online there of here since. This is not a defense of GM I'm just sharing what I know. Palmar you may lead whomever you wish but forgive me if I don't feel inclined to follow you. I still feel Sinani206 is the most likely to be scum out of all those that have been put forth. Bear in mind my success rate on naming scum on day 1 is about 20% My success rate at getting them lynched is even lower.
Rest of the scum votes were on 206 too iirc
On June 30 2011 05:43 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:18 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Compulsive vig should be discussed a little. But now is not the time for that. Night phase, or the day he starts being able to shoot. Night phase? We ain't got not stinkin' night phase. And don't get me wrong Palmar. I'm not saying you're anti town. I'm not saying you're scum. I'm not saying anything about your alignment. I'm simply saying I have no faith in your ability to do anything other than shoot detectives.
You actually have quite a few posts dedicated to...."technical" matters too....
That's why actually....
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...And you pushing another lynch candidate that scum were trying to push? Trying to pull of Drazek onto GM, our proposed Veteran, whom would of been a FANTASTIC lynch for scum? I don't care about your little use with everything else, your posting technical matters, I'm just saying that you posting about technical matters is the ONLY reason you're not on the lurker list, as I am. Now, who was scummy that was voting for Drazek?
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On July 01 2011 12:21 Jackal58 wrote:
Well Viscera. I think it's safe to disclose Varps role.
Why do you think Varp was killed?
lmao.
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So VE would know his role. Duh.
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On July 02 2011 06:49 Eiii wrote:
Sorry guys, today has been really busy for me-- since I probably won't be able to make it back again before the lynch tonight, I'm going to place my vote now.
I still don't see the 201 reasoning. Yes, people have accused him, but I feel he got pressure put on him more because he's a spammy player that doesn't really do anything than that he had done anything particularly scummy (which I don't think he has). YM seems to have an aggressive style that might be easy to make look scummy in an analysis, so for me the jury's out on him for the time being. I'm going to stick to hiro, because he's someone I looked into a lot. I think he's a good lynch.
##vote hiro
Good choice Bro. I'm voting Hiro. His instasheeping is bugging me...And I'd vote for YM, but I'm not voting 201 just yet. And seriously...VE being DT? How possible is that...
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YM would be God Father if he we're scum, I believe. Chaos suggested that too. YM is just scummy in general, and I wouldn't mind him gone.
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What is everyone's position on Mr. Wiggles?
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On July 02 2011 07:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 07:43 ~OpZ~ wrote:
What is everyone's position on Mr. Wiggles? Scummy as hell, but not worth it today.
But Wiggles generally comes off scummy as hell....I mean, my read on him is scummy too...As a matter of fact, even that analysis he did earlier just gave me a terrible vibe. I think it was on Hiro. But I'm not sold, and would like some other people's opinions. Hence why I asked...
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On July 02 2011 07:42 syllogism wrote:
So you are saying you didn't send it after his martyring post? Please don't disappear this time, I've another question after this
I'm gonna just assume Chaos checked you at some point.
Anyway...I agree VisceraEyes is a good shot.
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On July 02 2011 07:57 syllogism wrote:
The mere fact how much he hates being in this thread is a testament to VE's scumness. If he was a DT, he would be in here answering questions immediately. I don't see how anyone could believe his reasoning behind the check, the time of the check, when he made the case and the fact he was willing to switch to another lynch to save himself despite the guilty check
Shhh stop posting about him...It's not important anymore.
=D
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On July 02 2011 08:04 Kurumi wrote:ANOTHER EVENT VisceraEyes the Mafia Goon has been found dead!
Thanks for being around.
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On July 02 2011 08:02 Palmar wrote:
Looks like I actually missed a person on my potential leader chart day 1.
I really like your style syllogism.
And yes, it's totally insane. let's hear his report tomorrow.
The cool part? He _doesn't_ tell us who he is investigating and he doesn't tell us the results until we're into the 6h before the lynch period, so he can't have his mafia buddies off the investigated person before we can call him out on the lie.
But not tonight
Tonight there shall be someone else hanging.
I really would like you to stop posting....and possibly die. But I was more concerned in hitting 100% scum, not 70%....I think someone who can argue convincingly should take a look at you. Like YM, or Jackal. I can't.
But you've wanted us to wait for VE for a while, and wanted me to hit GM all day. Fuck that.
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On July 02 2011 08:07 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2011 07:54 gtrsrs wrote:
they must not have sarcasm yet in singapore I applaud your brilliant defense. Would you care to perhaps spice it up with a couple insults too? I mean the guy *did* just make a decent case. Obviously he deserves your disdain. I do have to ask though, where is the gtrs that was 100% confident in his reads I saw in SNMMIV? Other than the very popular and indubitably wrong "GM is scum" I have yet to see you have any strong convictions. Hell I have yet to see you add anything to the conversation. My scumdar is tingling. Anyway, we are consolidating our votes right now, and I don't really have time to write a case on you that actually integrates what I saw in other games as compared to this one, but the obvious differences are there, for anyone with the patience to read. I'll take care of you tomorrow, if I have time. Voting for YM now, I agree that there is something rotten in the state of Denmark. Also, who was scum for wanting to lynch the dt again? OHHH RIGHT, ME. This is *why* we lynch the DT first. Imagine if chaos *hadn't* been shot, we'd still be arguing about how VE is "our dt hope"
Yes...But we probably wouldn't of lynched Drazek then either...@_@
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