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On June 28 2011 21:25 DropBear wrote:Henry VI has been setting off alarm bells for me early. He originally set me off with his first several posts all being one-liners all directed at his mate. He has easily had the most pointless contribution so far. His largest post is this: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! This makes no sense to me at all. You are actively saying that we should kill people who try and lead the town and you also want to kill people who are lurking. Not only this, scum hunting is bona-fide town leadership! What middle ground do you want people to fill? Let's look at this again. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:
[*]No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum
They probably aren't scum but we should kill them anyway. Right. This post is a whole lot of nothing. FoS Henry VI.
I never said we should kill the leaders. I said that if they do happen to be Mafia, it's ㅈㅈ already. I'm telling players not to take lead because of this. I didn't say to kill leaders, I said to not become one.
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*sigh*
Why do I always get lynched D1?
Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate.
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I'm sorry that I don't find anyone outstandingly scummy, I guess?
I like TAA's style a lot and wish I could play more like him. Also Drazerk is acting weirdly. Not too many strong feelings toward anyone though. I still am suspicious of GM, however. This whole "leader" playstyle still makes me feel doubtful that you are town.
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Stop derailing the thread with the IRC nonsense. You're scaring others (like me) from posting.
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Just finished reading.
I guess that was a vigilante trying to hit a lurker?
Anyway, I will vote for VisceraEyes until he provides his analysis "coming up in a few minutes." If it is amazing (36 hours worth) then I will switch my vote over to Drazerk. If it is nowhere near the caliber you've been hyping, you get to keep my vote.
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Oh, I forgot that compulsives can't shoot until day 2. You're probably right, syllo.
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I retain my vote on VisceraEyes. His analysis of Drazerk left much to be desired. A post that was in progress for more than half of the day should have been much better than that. VisceraEyes' play is much scummier, and Drazerk's martyrdom is similar to his townie play in SNMMIV.
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I acknowledge that I have a large portion of the votes under my name. My goal is to prove to town that I am on their side by explaining my actions. Vote for who you think is scummy. If that is still me, then by all means, vote for me. Likewise with Drazerk and VisceraEyes.
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He's talking about us having the same name, I think.
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I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize?
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On June 30 2011 04:54 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote:
I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? How can you not find anything scummy to analyze lol? Practically everyone else in the game has done at least some analysis. I mean it isn't hard. If you want to contribute just post your thoughts on the other players, who you suspect and why. I mean surely after 30 pages you have some people you are more suspicious of than others.
GM.
I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy.
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On June 30 2011 05:04 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 04:57 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 04:54 Mig wrote:On June 30 2011 04:48 sinani206 wrote:
I voted for VE because he promised analysis and didn't deliver, and when he did, it wasn't as good as he hyped it up to be. He probably took like 10 minutes to write that. I acknowledge that I haven't found anyone outstandingly scummy to do an analysis of. What do you want me to do, apologize? How can you not find anything scummy to analyze lol? Practically everyone else in the game has done at least some analysis. I mean it isn't hard. If you want to contribute just post your thoughts on the other players, who you suspect and why. I mean surely after 30 pages you have some people you are more suspicious of than others. GM. I can't explain though, it's just so hard to get this out of my head. It may be because of his leading, but for some reason I just find him extremely scummy. Wow... that is stupidly weak "I suspect GM ... But i have no reason why" The only reason you have is him leading the town when we have already discussed how this is not scummy unless they constantly try to control every blue command. Palmar is leading the town. Is he scum to you as well?
I'm sincerely sorry that I don't have a good reason, but that seems to be the case. I just have a hunch that he is scum.
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Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol
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On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English
You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again.
Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team?
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On June 30 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again. Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team? A death can reveal a lot of information ...
Not in your case.
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On June 30 2011 06:00 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:58 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again. Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team? A death can reveal a lot of information ... Not in your case. I would like to throw this conversation out there that He is Still not contributing but rather using OMGUS in One liners ...
I'm not OMGUSing you.
If you haven't noticed, my vote is still on VisceraEyes.
I might OMGUS you if you keep posting bullshit, though.
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On June 30 2011 06:00 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:58 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again. Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team? A death can reveal a lot of information ... Not in your case. I would like to throw this conversation out there that He is Still not contributing but rather using OMGUS in One liners ...
Also, you're "throwing it out there" on purpose to make people vote for me instead of you. That's a really scummy defense.
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On June 30 2011 06:12 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 06:09 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 06:00 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:58 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:56 sinani206 wrote:On June 30 2011 05:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 30 2011 05:51 sinani206 wrote:
Of course you think I'm a better target because you don't want to die. lol If I cared about dying why would I martyr in every game I join? Edited because I fail at English You're using the martyr thing to defend yourself again. Do you not understand that dying is detrimental to your team? A death can reveal a lot of information ... Not in your case. I would like to throw this conversation out there that He is Still not contributing but rather using OMGUS in One liners ... Also, you're "throwing it out there" on purpose to make people vote for me instead of you. That's a really scummy defense. Someone who has not contributed much making one liners and then claims that me pointing out is a scummy move... You are Scum and unless you can prove me other whys my vote will stay on you
OK, how do I prove you "otherwhys"?
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I think I may have pinned someone, but I'm not entirely sure about him/her yet. Give me a few minutes.
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Nisani201
- Number and length of posts
Nisani201 has 36 posts in the thread, 24 of which are from after the Day 1 post. His mean post length is 2.5 sentences, his mode post length is 2 sentences, and his maximum post length is 6 sentences which he reached 2 times. Just keep these numbers in mind as I continue this analysis.
- Contentless posting
Here is an example of one of Nisani201's better posts:
On June 29 2011 07:59 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:55 sandroba wrote:
@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town. I agree. I just looked through Syllogism's posts. While they may not necessarily all of opinions in them, only two of them seem somewhat pointless, which isn't enough to warrant a lynch. Cthsazsa's analysis on Drazerk seems to be correct and I definitely think that he is scum. And thus, I place my vote. ##Vote: Drazerk
In this post, he simply agrees with sandroba's thoughts that syllogism is town and Cthsazsa's analysis, which showed that Drazerk was scum. He does not provide any new content.
His other 6-sentence gem:
On June 29 2011 10:33 Sinani201 wrote:
This trend of shooting down spammy players is insanely stupid; it's what lost the town in XVII. Cthasza wrote a fantastic analysis on Drazerk, and if he's right about it then there shouldn't be a reason to lynch him.
I'm voting for Draserk because he is full of contradictions and slip-ups, NOT because of spam.
That is all.
He provides one tiny piece of advice: not to kill spammy players, which is only half-right: lynch scum, shoot spammers. He re-references Cthasza's analysis and defends his vote, but he doesn't give any evidence of Drazerk's "contradictions and slip-ups."
These are Nisani201's two longest posts, and both of them are simply parroting what others have said and stating the obvious without adding any new analysis to the table.
- Active lurking
Here are some examples of what the average Nisani201 post looks like:
On June 28 2011 11:57 Sinani201 wrote:
No more stupid TF2 Garry's Mod videos.
This is serious business.
On June 28 2011 14:15 Sinani201 wrote:
Sorry, bad formatting.
Please change my name on the player list to "Nisani201 (Sinani201)" as that is what I should be known as throughout the game
On June 28 2011 14:40 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I enjoy how GMarshal included Palmar on the Vet list, yet his first game was my first game as well. Yes, he had a strong showing for Mafia that game...but in all honesty, scum won from an inactive town. I wonder what motivation GMarshal has putting a new player like Palmar (if you'd like to see an example of his 'stellar town play', may I direct you to PTP?) in the 'Vet' side of that list. He's certainly no vet as far as I'm concerned.
Palmar is not in this game, he submitted /out soon before the game started. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124¤tpage=6#109
On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote:
The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
On June 30 2011 06:35 Sinani201 wrote:
When is Day over?
What happens if the lynch ends up being a tie?
These are all bits of information that are not useful to the town in any way and questions that can easily be answered by reading the OP. He makes these posts because he doesn't want to have to post content, but he doesn't want to seem inactive.
- Scummy play
On June 28 2011 12:21 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:15 sinani206 wrote:
Blues should play however and whenever they want. I shouldn't even have to mention that the townie is the most important role in the game. Analysis wins games, not blues. Let's get some pressure going.
I'm pretty annoying, so I'm going to pressure ##Vote: Sinani201 into being active because I know how much time he spends sitting at his computer and I don't want him to die from lurker KP his first game.
If someone dies from lurker KP, do they get banlisted? You're already voting for me? First off, I am not Sinani201. I'm Nisani201. Second of all, if you want me to make a post, you could have asked nicely. I don't have anything to contribute yet. I'm reading every single post, and when I feel like I have enough information, I will contribute.
First, I pressure him into posting and he responds by saying that he will contribute when he has enough information. Let's see what he means by contribute:
On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:22 chaos13 wrote:
Would somebody mind assembling a list of the skilled/veteran players for myself and the others who are not familiar with all the names in the roster? A 'priority list', if you will, of players mafia are likely to kill first. From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic.
This is his "analysis" of chaos13, where he points out that he is either Mafia or Medic. This contribution does not help town at all. The fact that he could be on either side is useless, and pointing out that he could be Medic helps Mafia, as GMarshal pointed out.
His next "contribution:"
On June 29 2011 09:38 Sinani201 wrote:
I don't really understand how the first quote from him is a scumslip. The second one is iffy; I could see why you might think it's suspicious but it could by no means be used as a primary argument.
He is referring my supposed scumslips which were posted by sandroba. He refuses to take a stance on my play. He is acting extremely safe and neutral, which is a scummy trait.
A more recent post:
On June 30 2011 00:40 Sinani201 wrote:
Drazerk has posts that give off scumtells. For Viscera, it's a lack of posts.
I don't understand why the bandwagon against Drazerk is a bad thing. A lot of people are voting for him. That just means Cthsasa's analysis against him was good. It's not OMGUS, it's just agreement.
He says that a lot of people are voting for Drazerk because Cthazsa's analysis was good. I assume he was talking about himself as well when he said this. He subtly explains that he is voting because of the analysis, not because he actually thought that Drazerk was scummy. This is a major scumslip. He is basically saying he found a good analysis to hide behind.
Finally, he says this in response to Drazerk's analysis of me:
On June 30 2011 04:09 Sinani201 wrote:
You're trying to draw attention away from the large amount of votes you have accumulated. We have pretty much established that you are scum so why should anyone trust you?
This is a scummy post because Drazerk's analysis of me was good because it could have started some healthy discussion, and as scum, Nisani201 would want to stop all discussion, which he does, which proves his scumminess.
That took an hour and a half to write.
Whew.
My vote will stay on VisceraEyes today, but tomorrow, I urge all of you to vote for Nisani 201.
Thank you, good sirs.
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