EPT#vote: RebirthofLegend
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Amber[LighT]
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On July 01 2011 00:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Cool dude, how do you propose that we confirm his checks? You can't, go back to lurking scum. I don't care if I need allies right now, I am not going to pretend you and LSB still aren't on my radar for playing like shit. blah blah blahhhhhhhhhhh | ||
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Amber[LighT]
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Every post is "im catching up" or "I agree." You haven't once presented an original idea which leads me to believe you're just trying to bullshit your way through the game, hoping no one catches you. You were suspicious day 1, now you're even more suspicious. You're clinging onto these little connections that are making you look even more scummy. Instead of just claiming, or doing anything helpful, you're belittling Caller. Good idea. | ||
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Seriously though... Desert Strike? You couldn't alt+tab for 2 seconds? Since you obviously read the thread, you must have forgotten that I did present a voting idea that was promptly ignored by everyone, and trolled on by about 3 people, Caller being one of them. Everything that happened during Day 1 would have been prevented if people just listened to me, or at least acknowledged my post. I don't recall you replying to it. | ||
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On July 01 2011 03:25 Caller wrote: what are you talking about I have said since night 1 that I have had one shot and that I used it to shoot GMarshal. BC says that he asked Ace using his "lie detector" role to see if that it is true that I had one shot and used it to shoot GMarshal. He claims to have gotten a "true" result. Except that I actually have two shots. Therefore, it is impossible for BC to have gotten a true result. But he doesn't know I have two shots. I'm vigilante and I know I have two shots. I kept one of my shots as an ace in the hole, and claimed I only had one shot. BC fell for it and said that his role says that I only have one shot. I however have two shots. And it is very easy for me to prove it. By shooting BC. If BC is telling the truth, he won't die, because apparently I only had one bullet and I used it on GMarshal. However, if he is lying, then he will die. Consider the following circumstances: Obviously impossible. Then BC doesn't die, and I'm just someone who had 1 KP and already used it. In other words, I can't be mafia, because they have infinite shots. Then BC will die. And You will see that tomorrow. If we were both mafia, I would be unable to shoot BC. So he wouldn't die. Mafia have two options: either shoot someone, or shoot nobody, or shoot BC. They can't shoot BC because he is mafia, but lets say they do somehow. Then the end result is the same as if they shot nobody. Now let's say they shot nobody. BC dies. If he were telling the truth (which he's not) then that means mafia must have killed him, and that I didn't. Which in turn confirms me as 1KP role. If he was lying, then he should be dead anyways for lying, and nobody will miss him, except mafia. And if they shoot somebody else-well, should be obvious what this implies. So Fishball is lying? | ||
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On July 02 2011 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: It's cool, I didn't want to play with you bitches either. Have fun auto-lynching my replacement. Lol is this serious? | ||
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On July 02 2011 22:56 LSB wrote: I claim Jack of All Trades Caller is lying Night 0 I Protected BC, trying to see if someone would snipe him. Nothing happened Night 1 I used a Mimic Action on RoL. Mimic allows me to target a player and mimic whatever action they did the previous night. I found out from Ace that if I mimiced a mafia, I would mimic the mafia kill action in addition to any night actions. So what I did was Mimic Rol to himself. If Rol was mafia he'd shoot himself. If he wasn't, he wouldn't. It was a free role check + vig hit. What happened was that I mimiced Rol trying to shoot someone, and also I mimiced Rol trying to investigate a dead body. This proves that RoL was the Mafia Coronor My two ways of verifying this claim is in thread is 1) I claim that I shot Rol Night 1, no one else has claimed the shot. 2) I breadcrumbed Rol's coroner claim in case he would have tried to use it. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2011 23:13 LSB wrote: I support this, for my own reasons. Oh and ##Vote: RebirthofLegend Night 2 Because Caller said that he was going to shoot BC, I decided to use my Watch action on BC. Guess what I saw? Only one person visited BC last night, and that was Caller. ##Vote: Caller This is pretty interesting to know. It just seems like there's some convenient things happening to Caller all the time... | ||
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On July 03 2011 05:50 Kurumi wrote: RoL was Red and was on VE. I believe Radfield's claim. BC was green. Dec was probably green. Jackal is probably town. Amber is red. We either have two scum left or jonn was voting different. Start proving it. | ||
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On July 03 2011 08:49 Palmar wrote: Only reason I have a problem with this is that it feels kinda un-sandrobalike. He's smarter than this. Oh, and he's been very careful with his fingerpointing, something that starkly contrasts his townplay, which I normally think is both aggressive and accurate. And extra suspiciously (to me at least) he was pointing fingers at someone I thought at the time, and we now know, was town. Here's a little piece Fishball wrote on him day 1. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 14:51 Fishball wrote: I normally don't like wasting my time picking out other player's post, but this is just getting ridiculous. Blanket statement with no content. Me and BC at least explained our arguments. What you're literally saying is, "John Doe is a nice guy, just look between his legs". I wonder how many times I've seen this. Regardless of what Chaoser's alignment and the content of his posts, your accusations alone does not make a strong case. Accuse a random lurker, lurker pops out and posts something, therefore said lurker is scum! "Is he town that needs to die or scum?" What kind of shit question is this? "Town that needs to die?" What, are you deconduo Junior?! Does the consensus shows a strong town read on deconduo? No. Then why are you asking deconduo specifically? What do YOU think of Chaoser besides the so called reason listed above? To summarize, your post is a filler post, with little to no content, faking activity and discussion with an agenda that does not help Town at all. Normally, I would just disregard these posts, assuming the players were just bad, but since this is an invitational game, I'm curious about your alignment. And back to Jackal while I'm at it. Like I said, I never named names. Those who defended me have made it obvious. Regardless, you also think I'm scummy - "as scummy as they get" that is. Alright, cool. Do you have a case about it? No? Another blanket statement? Is this the so called contribution and activity everyone was yearning for? I call this crap. Here is a comment from RoL's "analysis" of the game day 1. I just don't like it, because if you think he actually defended himself, why is he not in the "town" part, and if he didn't, he should be in the "scum" part. Sounds to me like scum trying to be neutral about their partners. But yeah. The main reason for this thing is just that I don't feel sandroba is playing his town game, looks much more like some scumgame. He kind of FoS'd caller after caller's claim. I'm not sure what to make of it. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Sandroba is scum Though you're right about Sandroba from an analytics perspective I don't think he's scum. I thought the same thing all game, but his FoSing has been limited. Just because he's pointing the finger less doesn't mean he's necessarily more scummy... Think about the games where he has been a strong FoSer vs this game. | ||
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On July 03 2011 08:58 ilovejonn wrote: Come on town, we have to vote together. =/ You've all seen Caller's game, we can take down mafia 1 by 1, no need to create more targets than we need. FoS on people not voting Caller and thus trying to break town focus and cause a no-lynch! Be patient there's more to winning than just voting for the sake of voting quickly. | ||
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I'm going to work but I'll at least claim now. My role is Recruiter Mason. If you haven't guessed I was able to create a PM conversation with a player. However, I was able to pick someone myself, or pick someone completely at random who would be confirmed town. I chose to pick someone randomly and I got Jackal58! The confirmed townie would also be notified that I am pro-town. I'll post our PM conversation when I'm off since I'm on a phone right now  | ||
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______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 13:42 You and I can PM back and forth! This is actually really good for us because now I don't need to worry about posting as much, and I don't have to FoS you! I was allowed to receive a random partner who was pro-town, so I know that you are not mafia. You can use this information to confirm yourself if you need to, assuming I die or we don't publicize our PM contact. Anybody who tries to attack you about your alignment should pretty much be FoSed. You don't need to trust me if you don't want to. If you still think I'm scum I can't stop you from assuming that. This game is hard to play, especially trusting people in such a closed setup. I'm going to wait to see what to do today. I would like to push another lynch on Viscera if BC decides to target him. I'm not really good at persuading an entire town to vote for somebody [see Day 1]. I also want to see how far Caller goes to take out LSB or ILJ. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 22:02 Well Amber Ace sent me A PM informing me of your Mason status and also included in the PM that you are a town aligned player. So unless Ace has some sort of sick vindictive mind I believe you to be town as well. I just awoke. Let me go get caught up in the game and I will share my thoughts. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 22:16 Oh cool I didn't know Ace would be so kind to us ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 6/30/11 23:42 I don't trust Ace as far as I can throw him in a game but I must put my faith in him as a host. And btw I'm just a vanilla townie. No special abilities here. What do you make of Fishballs claim? I'm inclined to believe him atm. I don't think the scum team would so easily put one of their own so close to a noose. I see no glaring contradictions in RoL being scum. I was already leaning that way due to his vote swap on day 1. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:11 To be honest a lot of what he posted aligns with what I thought. I posted defending BC's playing style when Viscera attacked it. I believe BC to be pro-town. I was highly suspicious of RoL when he came out of nowhere to pummel me after Viscera went after me. I mean now you can kinda see where my posts were coming from throughout Day 1. RoL's scumtells are almost too obvious. I had him pegged yesterday. I wasn't sure where to align myself in the whole dec vs. fishball thing yesterday. It really felt manipulated and choreographed. There was something off about it that made me feel like we should just ignore it. I was shocked that so many people voted for Decon. I think that list should be looked at for scum in the future if we're still stuck. I'm still stuck on whether to trust Fishball or not. His post is really convincing, and he usually doesn't stick his head out like this. He plays similarly to how I play in these games. With that said I've manufactured long posts like this prior to the day post just to make sure that I would have something ready early. I think the best thing to do is to just leave Fishball to fend for himself. Don't let him get protection and see what happens. It's tough to determine how scum will play it out since they may want to intentionally not kill him to make him look scummy, or they may try to out him before he becomes a problem. We can catch him in a lie if we get him to check one of us and he comes back with a wrong result. That's always an option. I don't think lynching Fishball is a good idea. We should have lynched Viscera yesterday, and we should still try to lynch him, but if the town is really adamant about following fishballs claim then we should go after RoL. I'm comfortable voting for either. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:23 My only real problem is I'm going against my own mantra of calling all claims in a no flip game as bullshit. RoL is right in that aspect. If fishball is lying we are truly fucked. Perhaps as the day develops we can devise a means to verify his claim. Do you get to add a player each night? Or is it just a one off? ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:29 Just one. We're pretty much on our own. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 00:42 Alright. That puts a limit upon how capable we will be in verifying fishball's claim. If we did devise a method that would compel him to check one of us his he will have to claim we are green regardless of his alignment. If he is scum he will also know that who ever he checked is in communication with another townie. With just the two of us I don't see how we can get a real check on him. I shall have to ponder this some more. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 01:01 We shouldn't say he should check us, but if he somehow lands on checking either of us, there will be less of a reason for him to lie. I kinda want him to feel compelled to check either you or me without us asking him to do it. We have to give him the option to tell the truth: we're both innocent, or to slip up: consider one of us scum. Am I not understanding his role correctly? How would he know either of us are speaking to another townie? We're not openly claiming this PM session as of now right? I think not claiming and hanging onto the PM's for later is better. This way when one of us dies the other than confirm that a townie was killed, and that the other one is 100% pro-town, reducing the amount of suspects. I'm going to see how the other players react. I want to see how ILJ, Viscera, LSB, and BC react. If I read everything correctly they haven't posted about this. Also I'll just give this to you now, it's the people I'm pretty confident are pro-town aside from us: -Sandroba -Palmar -Radfield They're also going to be some of the tougher swing voters to convince. They're more skeptical to believe what people will say than any mafia. Mafia will be trusting if you frame the bullshit correctly. Anything to avoid killing their own. I just haven't figured out when and where to implement this idea ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 01:29 I was thinking if we made it obvious that one of us wanted to be checked it would be apparent that there is a PM circle of some sort in order to be able to verify it. If fishball is scum he won't be checking anybody and any town reads he posts are pretty much invalid anyways. He already knows. If fishball is a DT any reads he comes back with on us will be green. The only thing we can really do is hope he calls one of us scum. Or lynch him. If he is scum I think it most likely that he will check you and call you scum. I've been a pretty bland player up to this point. I agree on Sandroba. Palmar I'm not sure of. Maybe it's just because I don't like Palmar's play style. Radfield most likely town. He's asking to be subbed out. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 04:22 What do you make of Caller and BC? ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/1/11 06:28 I really don't know what to think. Best case scenario is that they are both telling the truth. I mean it would be smart for Caller to hide his 2nd shot if he has 2. I somehow doubt there's a SK in this game since we had 2 hits night 0, and then 1, maybe 2 on night 1. No one claimed to have protected RoL, which probably would have helped more than hurt. We don't know if anyone went to kill RoL last night, so tonight should help us understand the KP situation a bit more. If we assume RoL was scum, why would Caller be all over his shit if he were scum too? Logically after Day 2 I would assume Caller to be pro-town, or an SK, if one exists. Why would BC lie? I don't think there was any reason for him to lie unless there was some valuable information. If you knew Caller was jerking us around saying he doesn't have any ammo, would you speak up? I don't think Caller shooting anybody proves anything. I kinda hope a medic jumps on BC tonight to protect him. The best thing to do is wait this out until tomorrow to see what happens. I kinda followed Callers logic, but at the same time I can't trust him. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 00:44 I gotta believe at this point Caller is SK or scum. Too many bullets. Unless we do have a vig that called BS on fishballs dt claim. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 06:02 Caller must be something anti town. Bc wouldn't just lie without any reason. I'm still stuck on him, lsb and chezinu. What do you think of lsbs joat claim ? ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 06:19 I think it's probably bs. LSB loves claiming shit he isn't. We have 1 shot more than we should with Callers RB claim. LSB claims caller visited BC. So who hit fishball? I think scum hit fishball and Caller hit BC. Or we have a vig in the game that called bs on fishballs DT claim. But we're running out of people. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 08:43 So what about this ILJ claim? We need to figure out who's telling the truth and who's just bullshitting. What did BC mean to accomplish when he lied about his role? ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 10:33 I think ILJ and LSB may be scum together. Caller is 3rd party. Do you want to claim? We're running out of spots. I'll claim vanilla and let them lynch me to clear you. ______________________________________________________ To: Jackal58 [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 22:59 Do you want me to just claim? There's no point in lynching one of us to confirm the other. Once the day post is up we'll go ahead and claim. It's going to be tough since we're the only people who have been in PM contact. I'll post our entire PM conversation. There's nothing to hide here anyway. ______________________________________________________ From: Jackal58 [ 2060 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Oh hey! Date: 7/3/11 23:59 I was going to breadcrumb your role in case I die. I'm hoping scum may actually think I have an investigative type role. ----------------------- This is everything we discussed in order. | ||
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On July 05 2011 09:11 citi.zen wrote: I find it pretty incriminating that he supposedly can't be bothered to analyze anyone because of the "trolls". In this game? Really? He's given no other reason for his apathetic play. On July 05 2011 08:56 Palmar wrote: I should compliment you for your scum play. You haven't really slipped at all. There is nothing in your posts I can highlight and yell "look, scum!" It's just the overall posting style that I find incriminating. I agree with both of these posts. He's just throwing names out at this point and isn't really putting much effort. He's much more probing as town. | ||
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Apathy doesn't give you a freebie. Next time don't sign up if you don't want to play (if you flip town- | ||
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