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On June 14 2011 13:14 sandroba wrote: @chaos yes, if I'm gf the plan pretty much screws town over, but you can still lynch me if a lot of blues are dead night1. You didn't read the plan carefully. If I'm miller the DT will NOT manson me, so I'll post that he didn't and we ignore the plan. If there are no DTs in the first 15 it's the same. Mafia doesn't know if there are medics on the first 10 so they have to risk hitting me and getting their kp blocked OR letting the plan work. You are assuming mafia has knowledge of this which they do not. If you flipped red to a check you would have to die anyway which means the dt has to find a way to get you killed. I will say this purely as someone who ran Salem mafia. You do not, and I repeat do not, try and organize the blues through 1 person. The room for infiltration/leakage of the entire town blue network would screw the entire town. Talking about how to operate in thread is by far the safest, as well as letting blues act properly with their mason links. Small cells are always better against mafia than one large circle. Especially given this setup. | ||
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To start with. As sandroba proposed his plan and I have already said nay to it. I will move onto something I believe to be more useful. I attempted to do this in PTP but was sadly shot instantly and it was completely ignored. Huge mistake by the town in that game but lets try and get it running this time shall we. Zodiac list time. Rebirthoflegend BloodyC0bbler Node Mr.Wiggles Kitaman Opz Youngminii Scamp Everyone should be watching players very closely on this list. We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere. Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above. Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides. As a general note. No dt check sandroba as based on his proposed plan no matter what he appears as it cannot be trusted. | ||
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On June 14 2011 13:30 sandroba wrote: If I return red to a check the DT can get me killed by mansoning someone else (since he won't manson me after I return red) and using him to as mouth to push for my lynch. However I'm not red lol. How can mafia mess with me? They have to guess my role AND I'll only tell them who to check. What advantage can mafia derive from this? Maybe organizing blues through one person is not ideal, but it's a start. People still have another manson oportunity which they can use in case I die/ they opt to not trust me. so a dt checks you, you flip insert whatever role. They know you could be whatever role you appear or gf. So if you flip red, you could be miller or goon. Dt random masons someone else and tells them to get you offed. Wait, now they have to blind trust someone? Or do another check and hope the person they then check pans out? Dt's shoudl not claim their role early game. They need time to clear people or damn them. They can push in thread or the like without directly inferring their role based on the information their checks give but should not be claiming to anyone this early. Once you can be sure someone is clear you can claim via mason, but not this early. | ||
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On June 14 2011 13:50 Scamp wrote: Oh hey I made it on a list. Did sandroba say that it discourages mafia from killing people on the list? Because I'm pretty sure BC said for medics to protect people not on the list, thus the people who are on the list are wide open. The advantage of it is if there are any reds in the list (i would assume there is at least one if not more) that shooting into the list this early on potentially outs themselves. It potentially protects people without the use of a med and lets them instead prot more likely blue snipes. | ||
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On June 14 2011 14:01 Pondo wrote: Why is it more likely for those 8 than opposed to any other random set of 8 players? I can agree with the whole focusing our attention on players to get more information out of it but thats about it. The list I gave is a list of the most experienced players in this game. This forces alot of pressure on us to A) be active B) because we have to be more active we give more information that would show our alignment These are the two most important steps. There are other bits that would go along with it, but forcing us to be active and perform is huge. Finding the mafia among the vets while keeping as many of the town ones alive is hugely beneficial and makes it alot harder for mafia to easily pick townie vets. This does not extend into long periods of the game. It is only really good night 0 and possibly night 1 based on how day 1 goes. | ||
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On June 14 2011 22:35 youngminii wrote: Quelling any form of discussion is terrible, if not scummy. The best way to analyse people is if said people are making discussion, it's very tough to analyse something that's not there. In any case, RoL's plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Who knows, maybe you'll find a scum or two, good luck with whatever you're trying to do. aidnai, you can have my spot on the list if you wish, I don't wish to be there at all. I agree with you in that BC shouldn't have told the medics not to save people on the list, leaving that opportunity open (and unspoken) gives scum wifom as to whether or not they should kill us. Instead, BC's taken this away and is hoping that they won't kill us in case they look suspicious(??). I don't even understand why it's suspicious to kill us, if I was scum I'd kill the vets straight away knowing they wouldn't be protected. Simple. Lets say that of the list, 2 of the 8 are red. If mafia begin firing into that list and say all 3 die. that is now 2 of 5. From past games experience, if a vet ever lives through most of a game while most of the others or all the others are dead, chances are your going to get vig hit or lynched just to make sure your not red. By increasing how hard town is looking at you the chances of getting caught super early is much higher. Town could potentially lose 3 vet players you are right, but mafia ones would be farther out in the spotlight to be caught. If medics protect into the list they are going to, but the extra attention is something no mafia would want this early into the game. Keep in mind I have said this before, this list is only usable for tonight and possibly night 1. Past that the information garnered will be enough for blues to intelligently check / med who has to be one would hope. | ||
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On June 15 2011 04:51 ~OpZ~ wrote: oh yeah....Let's go. I think Night 0 start is kind of crazy. Some people are gonna be all sad face in the morning. I haven't got a decent feel for anyone yet. I'll keep you posted. Some people have been posting a lot though. And I'm laughing a little at my name being on that zodiac list. Oh yea!! I'm up there with the likes of Ver, BC and RoL. Srsly, Ver and RoL haven't went to your house to punch you for that comment BC? =D Eh? Come on you've been playing for nearly as long if not as long as I have. Factor in your experience with the current player base I am well into the right for including you on it. Glad to see that your back in a game though ! | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:09 Scamp wrote: Follow up aggression toward GGQ with what, exactly? I didn't like how much he seemed to value the PM system in this game. I asked for an example, he provided one, I still haven't changed my mind but I see his point. It really is a non-issue because our argument was more about how the game works rather than anything with the actual game. You, on the other hand, were playing like crap and I got you to cut that out. Are you scum that just got encouraged to play better? I'll decide that in the future. What I don't like is the implication that there is a good way to play and a bad one that vets can't do. While there may be some things you should never do there is no blueprint for how you play. I know you aren't the only one saying things like this but you mentioned me and I quoted you so you get put on notice. 1: You need thread presence to vote? News to me. 2: You're putting too much emphasis on the Zodiac thread. It's mostly just a list of experienced players that BC has seen before. Also I dunno if he ordered the list but if he did I was the last person on it. Obviously I barely made the cut. But anyway... 3: Experienced or no, you clearly have no idea of my history playing TL mafia and what I have done to earn recognition enough to make the list. More to the point, you don't know my strengths and weakness and overall playing style. So I don't see how you should be disappointed in my play unless you expect all vets to play a certain way. My list was in no way ordered in terms of skill, it was merely players I remembered were in the game as I was making it. However guys you are kinda looking at the thing a bit too seriously. It's meant to add pressure to us, but its not meant to make us do all the hardcore work for everyone. Scamps playstyle is not indicative to being the most vocal / active player pushing targets. Can he analyze? Yes. Does he make the same level of epic posts that you would see out of ver? not to my knowledge. You judge us by our actions and how we play not by which vets perform as you want them to. We each have different playstyles. Pressure us for sure, but don't expect our styles to meet what you expect unless the one you expect is the one we have done in most games we play. As for the current progression of the day. Youngmini good pressure on ILJ but its not enough to really push for his lynch at this point. The Post by post analysis you did just seems far to much like a tunnel for this early in the game. His general defense of himself is far worse than his posting before that but the general theme of townies these days seems to get pissed off and uncooperative when accused. Bad way to go but its the going trend. So far the only analysis that seems to have any glue behind it is on sinani. He needs to offer up some solid analysis for me to believe he had good intentions but bad way of expressing himself. I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking. ##vote node | ||
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On June 16 2011 11:07 Varpulis wrote: Activity level is disappointing, to say the least. Sinani, you posted a joke after all the analysis on you was posted. You've obviously been reading the thread, would you care to contribute? To the lurkers: Please post. Who do you think is scum? What do you think is a good course of action for the day? Give me a reason not to lynch you. The more townies lurk, the easier it is for lurking scum to hide. You're doing us a disservice by not posting. @Mataza wtf is Hypocop? Hypocop is a strategy of not medicing investigative roles. To do this the entire town claims dt, and who they check every night. As people die and someone eventually flips dt you will know which checks are valid and which are not. However it is an insanely scum favoured plan. I say this for one simple fact. Scum have more knowledge about roles than the town does. Scum knows the identity of 6 people. Anyone who claims to have checked on of their number and what that person actually flipped gives intel on who might actually be a dt, making it easier for them to snipe whoever the dts are checking/the dt's themselves. Its a horrrrrrrrrible strategy and by know means should be used. Had mataza not stressed how bad this idea was I would be pushing for his lynch right now. The only saving grace of it is that it will have people talking. | ||
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On June 16 2011 12:27 Varpulis wrote: ...except that it won't, actually, because everybody with a brain will say "bad plan, no." The responses will all be the same, so it won't be a discussion as much as an excuse for lurking scum to look like their contributing. God, is that a terrible strategy though. Playing into the scumteam's hands much? RoL, you promised activity and contributions in 9 hours: ...13 hours ago. Explain. Oh it is a terrrrrrrible plan don't get me wrong. But if the options are take shitty ideas to force discussion or let town lurk itself to death theres only one option really. This all being said, people have to start talking. We have FoS on sinani, aidnai, and Ilovejohn. I would like to hear from everyone in regards to these three. I will also propose this. If by say noon EST thursday (tommorrow for me) we have not yet heard from people on the zodiac list assume most of the 3 on the lynch docket are likely to be town or mostly town and we instead lynch an obvious uncontributing lurker. With the level of stagnance so far it seems better to kill someone who wont help at all than those who will potentially slip up later if red, or attempt to help if town. I don't like the idea of shooting active voices with so much inactivity. If the newer players are afraid of posting on chance of revealing their roles, ask the mods who are potential people that could coach them from outside the game or mason someone you feel could give you some help within it. Short of that inactivity will lose the town the game. | ||
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On June 16 2011 12:56 Varpulis wrote: If we can't get a good discussion going, I agree completely that we should lynch a lurker. Would non contributory Zodiac list members be candidates for such a lynch? On the subject of the current suspects: I think that ilovejonn is town, not sure about aidnai, and sinani is either scum or just playing very poorly, waiting to see his defense/actual contributions. I'm not confident at all that any of them is scum. If I had to pick one to lynch, it'd definitely be sinani. Depends on the vet to be honest. So far only node and RoL need to be accounted for as of right now. If both appear with decent posts I would say leave the list as it is and throw either dt checks into it, or give 1 more day to let everyone analyze the group. If they both stay horribly inactive lynching one of them is potentially more useful. If they are however active I would say we get a list of inactives and just lynch one. | ||
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On June 16 2011 20:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @BC What are your thoughts on the aidnai/ilj/sinani206 Lynch Prospect? I for one agree with youngminii's assessment of the vote-list so far. I have already said I am not happy at all with those 3 as prospects. None of them strike me as horrifically red and of the group the only one I would lynch is ILJ for basically saying hes going to be mad inactive most likely from now on. With all the lurkers jumping out and voting with very little justification, I honestly think we should be considering new prospects. | ||
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Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up. Level of activity of node Jacinto Landec suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not. That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. | ||
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On June 16 2011 22:49 Kenpachi wrote: kk. Time to get my shit on. /game face ... ill get my shit on later. ##Vote:Sinani206 Seems to be the only one suspicious Wait? this is your contribution to the thread? what the fuck. You know better than this Serious FoS. | ||
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On June 17 2011 04:49 sandroba wrote: For people saying FoS kenpachi, mainly RoL and BC. You guys are vets and have played with him countless times. He ALWAYS posts like that despite his aligment, specially early on and you guys know it. While I agree that he should step up his posting, because he's always useless early game, there's abosolutely no reason for you guys to FoS him based on that. I find that kenpachi, despite his useless posting, usually has nice intuition and will be easier to determine his aligment down the line based on his voting history. He didnt even provide a reason. He has shown is actively lurking the thread not posting anything remotely helpful, sheeping then randomly out of the blue calls the first person to FoS him off his bad posting gf. I have seen him do useful things, I have seen him do useful analysis as town. But playing the way he is it just makes it far to easy for scum to hide. With the game as inactive as it is with only about half the players posting the level of hiding ground for mafia is absolutely ridiculous. He has the experience to and ability to help the town now as it needs it and instead hes not. That gets a FoS. It is a fairly straight forward way to look at it. If hes going to vote properly justify it. Having to spend an entire game keeping someone alive just to determine alignment based on voting history is also a terrible way of doing things. You FoS them for what they do. Are they pushing bad lynches, not helping town, etc..... Is he guarenteed red? no, is he being a helpful town member? No. Are mafia much more likely to be unhelpful? Yes. ILJ, Sinani and aidnai have at least all offered something in defense of their self and to benefit the town. Kenpachi hasn't. He has also gone so far to say he doesn't intend on seriously trying anytime soon. On June 17 2011 04:57 Kenpachi wrote: I can understand how mad you are because most vets tend to have the same response atleast once (or more!) I say BC is mafia because I dont really see the usefulness in his posts. He made a lot of lists and pointed out a bunch of inactives (including you) but really, thats it. I guess its brash to accuse him of being mafia when i think there is nothing to talk about but still. You say I'm mafia because you don't see usefullness? How is me mentioning "hey, lynching people who are active on bad reasoning" useless? How about when we have little information we hit people obviously lurking. Prevent scum from hiding in lurkers and they out themselves. Yea deff useless mindset. You may not see much to talk about but you should at least be able to see whats being done wrong. Rather than help with it you instead sit back and do basically nothing. Everyone should jump off the 3 bandwagons as of now and opt to instead lynch one of these inactives. GrassGiraffe LandenC lazorbear I have never seen any of the 3 in a game before and they have all sat back and done nothing but lurk. Newbie mafia are likely to lurk rather than post out of fear for outing themselves, so this seems a smarter place to start than killing active players who will out themselves later if they are red. I did not include node in the list above purely because if he does reappear I would rather keep around someone who I know has the ability to help town rather than 3 people who are unknowns in ability. ##vote grassgiraffe | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:03 LandenC wrote: After seeing Kenpachis post I can see where he is coming from about BC. + Show Spoiler + Wanting DT's to check outside of the list, making him safe from check if red(but not if gf ofc). After seeing RoL jump to his defense after Kens vote, I think RoL and BC might both be red thus not having DT's check into the list helps them even more. + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere. Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above. Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides. Next is his only real vote or FoS from him. All other posts of his don't have much scum hunting. He votes for node so he at least got a vote in but it will pretty much go unnoticed. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would like to say however that until he makes a post in the thread I will be sticking a vote on node. He didn't post anything serious during night 0 and he has been afk thus far into day 1. However I would like to get him talking. ##vote node Rest of his posts mainly just general talk about lurkers lists and bad plans. No real scum hunting just pressure on lurkers. + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 12:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Its a horrrrrrrrrible strategy and by know means should be used. Had mataza not stressed how bad this idea was I would be pushing for his lynch right now. The only saving grace of it is that it will have people talking. On June 16 2011 12:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh it is a terrrrrrrible plan don't get me wrong. But if the options are take shitty ideas to force discussion or let town lurk itself to death theres only one option really. This all being said, people have to start talking. We have FoS on sinani, aidnai, and Ilovejohn. I would like to hear from everyone in regards to these three. I will also propose this. If by say noon EST thursday (tommorrow for me) we have not yet heard from people on the zodiac list assume most of the 3 on the lynch docket are likely to be town or mostly town and we instead lynch an obvious uncontributing lurker. With the level of stagnance so far it seems better to kill someone who wont help at all than those who will potentially slip up later if red, or attempt to help if town. I don't like the idea of shooting active voices with so much inactivity. If the newer players are afraid of posting on chance of revealing their roles, ask the mods who are potential people that could coach them from outside the game or mason someone you feel could give you some help within it. Short of that inactivity will lose the town the game. On June 14 2011 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The advantage of it is if there are any reds in the list (i would assume there is at least one if not more) that shooting into the list this early on potentially outs themselves. It potentially protects people without the use of a med and lets them instead prot more likely blue snipes. On June 16 2011 13:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Depends on the vet to be honest. So far only node and RoL need to be accounted for as of right now. If both appear with decent posts I would say leave the list as it is and throw either dt checks into it, or give 1 more day to let everyone analyze the group. If they both stay horribly inactive lynching one of them is potentially more useful. If they are however active I would say we get a list of inactives and just lynch one. On June 17 2011 03:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK as of right now we have a bunch of people who are hella lurking Key two of these are RebirthofLegend and node. Seriously you two, shape the fuck up. Level of activity of node Jacinto Landec suggests we have potential modkills incoming, however if they appear to vote later I would say keep a close on eye them and if they jump on the easy bandwagon or not. That all being said, of sinani/aidnai/ilj (not sure why these 3 are still on the docket but whatever) ILJ has stated he will be inactive which doesn't help anyone but scum. Of the 3 he is the only one who would sit well in the case he is not mafia. My vote for now will still stay on node until node posts and or votes and I will then shift it over to ILJ unless a more compelling case for someone else has appeared. I agree with Kenpachi, BC looks suspicious and gets my vote for now. Your new so maybe you don't understand some things. Day 1 is near impossible to scumhunt unless people realllly fuck up somewhere along the line. It's even harder when players like yourself opt to sitback and not post until pressured. You were lurking, you got called out, and suddenly the person who does it is red. You mention I am red because of the zodiac list? all the names of players on that list are people who will prove their alignment via play in thread, analysis done on them, etc... Dt checks are far more useful being directed at people (much like yourself) who are lurking hard and not contributing. If someone is unreadable because they skirt by sheeping the entire game a dt check can clear them or damn them very quickly. A gf is much more likely to be hiding in a list of veteran players than it is amongst lurkers as well. Making myself accountable for my actions and adding scruitiny to myself is not pro mafia, its pro town. You then mention most of my posts are on bad plans? pushing to kill lurkers? Wow, since when is trying to organize people from doing bad moves an anti town play? Trying to organize people and get them to realize bandwagons they are on are most likely wrong is not mafia play. Take a look at the major 3 bandwagons. All 3 started fairly early and had next to no opposition except from the players involved. No one was defending them? at all? Instead there was next to no discussion, people sheep'd onto some of those lists not even justifying themselves. That screams mafia are content to sit back and let the shit happen. Use your head people. | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:26 sinani206 wrote: Oh yeah: ##Vote: Kenpachi Not only is your posting worse than in any of your previous games, it is also contradictory. I mean you always lurk but this contradictory and repetitive bullshit is really scummy. uh, hes not on the docket of being lynched right now. If town feels so strongly about him use a dt or vig on him, but don't waste a lynch on someone you can get talking in thread. | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:34 LandenC wrote: BC your right I am new. So I did wait until I could see where the day was going before jumping in and probably making a terrible post. Read your post over a couple times and I see your point. Still time for me to change my vote to someone else. Discussion seems to have picked up recently so thats good. I suggest either giraffe or lazobear as you seem to be active now. both of them have 1 post I believe? | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:44 sandroba wrote: @BC Well you could say that the sinani and aidnai bandwagon were created in response for jonn's bandwagon. Seeing that he crawled back into lurking I think he's a very valid candidate aswel. I've reread demorcef's posts and retract my statement that lynching him today is a good option. ilovejonn/LandenC/grassgiraffe are all good options imo. Possibly they did because of his bandwagon but he has still been posting. Landen has just started posting and grass has made 1 post and 1 vote. Day 1 with the little discussion overall we have had and the options, I would rather remove someone who isn't contributing positively but avoiding the modkill and being replaced by a player who would actually play. If ILJ continues lurking into day 2 I would say he would make a wonderful lynch then, just as if landen goes into hardcore lurking in day 2 he would make one as well. But as of now they have proven far more town aligned than others. | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:50 Mig wrote: Kenpachi posts exactly like this every single game. And does it make any sense for kenpachi as mafia to call out BC, one of the most vocal people, as GF when he could just as easily lurk along without making any waves? Targeting kenpachi right now is terrible. BC I really dislike posting a list of 3 inactves. Since there is 0 evidence to defend any of them providing 3 choices will just make it easier for mafia to influence the lynch and guarantee a town is hit. Would prefer if you just strongly push for 1 target that you feel is best. I don't really get the defense of sinani. Last game he played as mafia he showed that he likes to fake contribute exactly as he is doing now. He actually made one decent analysis that game and it was when he tried to bus his own team mate, so I know he is capable of writing decent posts if he puts the effort in. Everything he has posted has been without any real thought or effort to provide content for the town. I mean he hasn't defended himself at all or done any actual scum hunting whatsoever and he is clearly lurking because he insta responds when directly questioned. The only thing that somewhat worries me is the fact a bunch of people have jumped on voting for him without providing any real reasoning. Despite that I still think he is the best lynch. Sinani looks like a total tunnel to me. As for killing 1 of 3 inactives it is far better day 1. They have no evidence revealing if they are town or mafia. They are being unhelpful and not contributing, and by removing them now, it forces players to play. The longer you let people lurk and be inactive the easier it is for mafia to hide. Do I like the prospect of one of them flipping town? No. Do I like the idea of us killing an active player on really tenuous and tunnel like analysis? no. If sinani, or aidnai or Ilovejohn is red they are active enough to display that, whereas someone whos not posting anything aside from sheep voting is not being active enough to give us an idea without a dt check or killing them. It is far less damaging to us to remove an inactive who might flip town who also might as red than it is to kill someone who was tunneled if they flip town. | ||
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On June 17 2011 06:02 Mig wrote: I am fine with killing an inactive. I am saying don't list 3 candidates because mafia will just influence the lynch and guarantee their guy isn't hit. It is much better for the town if you just strongly push for 1 of the inactives instead of discussing all 3 of them. Of the 3 one is now posting, 1 was brought to my attention is on the potential modkill list so that only leaves giraffe. | ||
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The medic list seems fine for his justification. I don't like that he included as many names as he did on the don't protect list purely as it gives mafia too much free range to shoot into if they so desired. Dt checks are fine. As to the current situation. Dt's should not be checking Hiro at this point in time. I say this as someone who has just caught up he is practically begging to be checked so he can be cleared. With someone with this much heat on them they know whatever they flip to on a dt check will be "clear" ie he could be scum or town. The mechanic lets mafia choose their gf at any point in time. With the way he is asking for a dt, then mason speaks to me that the mafia are potentially seeing what the chances are for getting town on board with his idea and if it works trading himself for dts and potentially more blues. Based on that behaviour dts should leave him alone, and vigi's / hatters can decide if they want to take a shot at him. | ||
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On June 18 2011 10:45 hiro protagonist wrote: @BC Im cool with that i guess... btw, why come out and say that 20 min before the day post? Most people have most likely sent in there actions no? are you allowed to change it after you send it in? been busy most of the day. The bit of time I was at my machine before this there had been all of like 7 posts from the last round i had seen, nothing that really warranted me responding to. | ||
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On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote: I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2. It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow. | ||
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On June 18 2011 18:34 syllogism wrote: Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory. Or you should learn more about the players on said list. I urged the town to lynch an inactive on day 1. Why? Because no one could agree on any one target during day 1. The few who were up on the docket were the first accused on very very weak analysis. Analysis is something that newer players should realize is not something that is magically done day 1. There is little to no information and barring some insane scum slip it is very hard to net a red. It is even harder when the activity of a thread is so low that half the players all appear the same level of shady. With luck this game day will provide a good amount of posts to spend the hour to 2 hours writing out a pbp analysis of someone, but as of right now I am heading off to work. If luck is with me I shall have an hour or two mid to late afternoon before I take off to bartend a wedding. | ||
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Now as to the two other vote targets proposed below. On June 20 2011 04:28 Varpulis wrote: I'm still really unsure about syllogism. I've read through his posts 3 times, and I can't confidently say mafia or town. I'm leaving my vote on Hiro, at least for the time being. I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. Hiro has two days worth of suspect behaviour, and has been on the lynch twice. IF he survives this lynch he should be getting vigi'd. Simple. Syllogism has called people out for not contributing and then barely contributed himself. He then follows it up using the excuse. On June 19 2011 05:50 syllogism wrote: It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum. Now i say this is suspect purely for one simple reason. He doesn't believe RoL would perform this way as scum, but then doesnt try to figure out why RoL is playing the way he is and still votes to kill him. He has since unvoted and has opted to analyze another player on very weak analysis. After this analysis he doesnt even back it up with a vote. Major FoS on him for now. As a new player who has a ton of expectations you don't follow through on what you expect of others, nor do you properly pressure the people you expect more from and rely on other people to do it for you. This being said your activity level throughout the day as well as attempting to do analysis (even if it was terrible but everyone starts at the bottom before learning) I am willing to give you another day to step it up. Hiro has not really done a whole lot, and the moment votes started swapping from RoL elsewhere (syllo and hiro) the thread picked up in activity from what I can see. As such it seems mafia more likely to be opposed to one of the two of these players being lynched. vote hirotheprotagonist Vigi's whichever of the two doesnt get lynched, the other should be shot. | ||
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On June 20 2011 05:02 syllogism wrote: I've to disagree with your assessment of my analysis. Perhaps the metagame here is different, but players refusing to commit into voting on people who can actually be lynched is anti-town. Also I'd like to note we still haven't seen ANY analysis from you. Are you seriously asking for another massive block of text pushing another lynch target this close to day end? Me posting any huge monster post of analysis at this moment could/would be detrimental so close to day end. That is in terms of post by post analysis. There are multiple people I could analyze for doing suspect behaviour. Youngminii for tunneling RoL but never voting for him. That post began the bandwagon that could still get RoL killed. How about LandeC for being inactive until called out, post enough to appear to be there then vanish into lurker country. I could continue this or choose one of these people and heavily analyze their posts, but at this stage in the day it is not constructive. Even if you preface the entire thing with "do not vote for this person today" if the analysis is compelling people will vote there. Then if the lynch turns out bad, it looks horrible on me. As of right now the best route for town is to stay concentrated on either you or Hiro. If the one of the two of you that is lynched flips town we vigi the other. Simple as that. | ||
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On June 20 2011 05:16 hiro protagonist wrote: Seriously, why is it when I vote for an inactive, its scummy, but when BC or node does it, they get no flack? No matter what I do, its scummy. RoL: what changed your mind about me? ##vote syllogism I agree that the vote should be between me and syllogism. Both act scummy, one of us is probably scum. should give us good info with the votes. I'm fine with the other being viged like BC said. I am tired of defending myself, vote for who you think is more scummy. peace. I had no issue with your voting for an inactive, I had issue with other bits of your posting. I honestly believe you phrased your post oddly with your GG vote. As a note for next time rather than giving statistics that make you look scummy, instead say you would prefer to policy lynch an inactive. It looks less horrid and is much more understood by most. | ||
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vote syllogism On June 20 2011 10:18 GGQ wrote: Did you just scumslip by assuming that either of these players would flip green? Anyways, I think at this point Node is the highest priority for a vig shot, we can't let people on YOUR zodiac list lurk that hardcore. Based on how both appeared on the lynch docket at roughly the same time and thread activity has spiked at the same time, I would gather 1 is red, whereas the possibility of a second is there it is not guarenteed. If the lynch flips green vig the survivor as that is who the red will be. | ||
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On June 20 2011 10:56 GGQ wrote: The way you said it made it sound like you expected either of them to flip green. based on thread I would guess 1 of them will flip green. If we lynch red then i'd hold off vigi'ing the other. If we had managed to catch two red in this set I would figure mafia would most likely bus one of them to potentially clear the other. As the votes are fairly evenly split I don't really see that situation here. | ||
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On June 20 2011 13:28 Varpulis wrote: ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? On June 20 2011 11:00 flamewheel wrote: Day 2 Vote Tally Votes for RebirthOfLeGenD (2): FudgeMunkey, Node, Votes for syllogism (10): RebirthOfLeGenD, GGQ, Jacinto, Mr. Wiggles, Kenpachi, Shraft, hiro protagonist, LandenC, ~OpZ~, BloodyC0bbler Votes for hiro protagonist (7): sandroba, Varpulis, Mataza, youngminii, VisceraEyes, DeMorcerf, syllogism Votes for Node (1): sinani206 syllogism is to be lynched. aidnai and grassgiraffe will be modkilled. -_- | ||
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until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered. | ||
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On June 21 2011 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: And if he's lying, he survives another night, we lose another day lynching him and Mafia KP does NOT suffer because we've spent 5 cycles dicking around. BC, tell me how confident you are in his claim. I understand wanting to be cautious about it, but we're talking about a lot of wasted time. I went back through the thread and went through alot of his posts. Far to many of them were begging or pleading for a blue to confirm him. With his role town kp is completely wasted. By that I do mean wasted. Basically the only two options here would be he is gf, or he is what he claimed. If he doesn't follow through on what he has been instructed on doing we net the gf. For that simple confirmation alone I am willing to risk this. Also on an unrelated note, node is scheduled to die tonight. | ||
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On June 21 2011 01:39 Mataza wrote: Also C0bbler, I will hold you accountable for the shit that´s going down tonight. I expect it to be honest. | ||
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On June 21 2011 07:09 Incognito wrote: Flamewheel won't be around for the day post, so if you haven't already, please send me your night actions. Night ends in 4 hours. Ok now theres an issue -_-. I know hiro pm'd his action to fw but no idea if fw passed any night actions onward. As such his method of confirming himself may be now gone via this night cycle. As this may or may not be the case and I know hes mia for the rest of the period. He claimed hatter. He was supposed to be suiciding into node tonight for multiple reasons. Node is on a small group's scum list, the flip of hiro would shed light on his aggressors and voting lists. It would also save town kp from killing town kp. As such Anyone who is on I pose this. How do you wish to proceed now that his night action may not be going through due to incog not having it? | ||
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On June 21 2011 10:33 VisceraEyes wrote: BC God damnit. After losing 10 townies so far, you thought that maybe a 1 for 1 trade against a POSSIBLE mafia was a good idea? [/rant] Okay, well all we can do at this point is lynch Node assuming he's not mod-killed, right? I mean, you think he's scum...I haven't detected the FAINTEST hint of scum in any of his posts, aside from lack of them, but I'm a noob. So yeah? Lynch Node, DT check hiro, start scumhunting at dawn? Eh, of all the vets he is by far the most inactive and I know as town he is fairly active. IT also seemed to make more sense as if hiro didn't suicide we know hes red. With all the dt begging as well he would most likely be gf. It seemed a far better solution than letting a town vig shoot him thus wasting two kp roles. | ||
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On June 21 2011 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh...this is a mess. Clearly I wasn't ready for this. How do you vets do it? I mean, I know at least half of you just lynch people at random and pick up the pieces halfway through, but some of you vets are REALLY good. Honestly this was something I wasn't expecting. I have no idea if people have been following the OP and messaging incog their role use. As such this confirmation idea can backfire and trust me this is the last thing I was expecting. As for lynching, early days you get a read on what appears to be scumlike behaviour and lynch on it, later on people are much more obvious with their slipups and vigi's and lynches clean up. If you're lucky a dt pops in and nabs one or two. Analysis is something that is only ever solidly reliable day 3 on. | ||
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On June 21 2011 10:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah, that's a hell of a point that I didn't really think of.. It makes me feel less bad about my horrible analyses. It's just one of those things. People are dead so you can see who attacked who, or who said what, who voted for who. The more data you have the more you have to work with. The situation also arises somewhat frequently when a fresh batch of players comes into the forum everyone has to learn how to analyze their play. Are they saying something because its a rookie mistake or because they are red, etc... | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:22 youngminii wrote: of course bc knew about the plan have you been reading the thread AT ALL? All I had for plans going was town KP. One of which is now used. | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote: And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though. | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:40 Mataza wrote: I can explain: In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after. Makes sense. If you told us both same night it wouldnt be tell you anything about either of us. | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:42 youngminii wrote: This PM land stuff is tempting me to mason one of you. How secure if your PM circle? I currently have 3 mason'd people alive, 1 as of like 2 hours ago, 1 who mason'd me then never messaged, and one I mason'd. Hiro and sand were both mason'd to me. Hiro mason'd me start of last night, and sand end of day 1. | ||
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On June 21 2011 11:50 youngminii wrote: Is the person who mason'd you 2 hours ago someone who hasn't posted in the last 5 pages? I had a guy mason me a couple hours ago too. Mine has posted. | ||
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I will be going through the thread after i get back from work tonight and start the writeup on a few players to give us some solid analysis on where our vigi's can work tonight rather than us have to wait till the last minute. ##vote RoL | ||
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On June 22 2011 11:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will reveal the portion where I am breadcrumbed Mataza's role. I finally figured it out, with the help of Mataza. The bold portion was supposed to infer that the only reason Mataza would be interested in Sandroba's (shitty) plan is because Mataza himself was a DT. It was such a vague reference that I never even realized it until Mataza pointed it out a couple of hours ago. Seriously? This is the fucking pm that they are raping you for? I'm sorry but if this is seriously the message that you based your entire plan around? I am sorry but this is the most tenuous link I have ever seen. You are tunneling way too much on something that is next to nothing. If this is honestly all you have I am rethinking this. This intricate plan is now based on really really huge stretch. With this coming up I also sat back and had to think and realized I had told not only RoL but also Sandroba that hiro was hatter as soon as I was told. If either was red, hiro would have been roleblocked. They also knew who hiro was targetting. Factor in, RoL pushed to have my vote swap off hiro during day 2. Syllogen flipped town, but so did hiro. If he was mafia why would he care who died? I think this is actually a desperate attempt to snipe RoL since he got off the chopping block day 2. unvote | ||
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On June 22 2011 12:52 Mataza wrote: Yes, but more no. Sandroba told me he gave me away to you. I wasn´t told the details. Now you obviously only gave me material that was not dangerous to you. Now look at the timestamp. The exact timezone isn´t even relevant. Look at the date. Luckily I did copy little bit of text from IRC into skype because we had IRC issues. You can see from my conversation with Sandro, we were literally just about finished discussing "our plan", when we were forced to change from IRC to skype. Unprovable but funny fact: Sandroba outright told you I´m blue, he didn´t breadcrumb it.+ Show Spoiler + [19.06.2011 20:57:20] Sandro Maculan: If you dont get shot tonight how do you feel about doing the same with bc [19.06.2011 20:57:43] Sandro Maculan: assuming I'm alive till then [19.06.2011 20:57:52] Mataza: sending him a heart? [19.06.2011 20:57:57] Sandro Maculan: lol [19.06.2011 20:57:59] Mataza: or telling him im a blue role [19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro Maculan: not telling [19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro Maculan: just crumbing Now, the alleged bluetell you gave us is on 18th, while I only began communicating with Sandroba on the 19th. Screw Timezone, there is a day missing. What you have pointed out is vague at best, that is right. But what actually matter´s didnt happen back then, it happened around a day later. Check bolded bits. Roba mason'd me and RoL into night 1. He also revealed he had 1 single mason before he mason'd us. Lying to prove your case is pretty desperate dude. | ||
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On June 22 2011 13:36 Mataza wrote: Oh come on, don´t take us for morons just because we are relatively new to this forum. RoL taking a little breadcrumb I planted and selling it as something Sandroba would panic over is retarded. You could as well go back to day one where i planted my first meager breadcrumb which nobody cared for. It can work and I will definitely go through with this. This is horseshit and it´s from the 15th. What RoL just served you is the same horseshit from 18th. Seriously, do I really need to tell someone I cannot trust yet(BloodyC0bbler) what I do, before I do it to make it credible? Of course RoL is going to deny receiving a message that would condemn him. He is SCUM on the chopping block. Him saying he received that message is the equivalent of him confessing his guilt. At the start people said town wins by creating several small circles instead of one big circle. But apparently every communication has to go through BC or some other veteran still. Do you want to know why I do not trust any of the veterans? Because they did fuck all this game and fuck all my last game. We have a Zodiac list with veterans. The first vet dies, the second vet dies, nobody reacts. Node gets killed and flips scum. BC called him out apparently with pure gut feeling. That reeks of the godfather bussing the weakest link. There was no analysis prior to the night and no questions asked afterwards. You do realize he never responded solidy to my pressure day 1? You do realize he was on mine and sand's scum lists? You can ask questions, sure. Thats fine and good. I am here asking questions now. The bits i quoted in your previous posts suggested crumbs -_- and you outright lied on when you mason'd him. I get trying to prove your point, but what you and RoL have provided shows the weakest fucking plan I have ever seen. I then see a player say "rol and opz are crap shoots, lets shoot inactives, into supporting rol's lynch to back to inactives". Give me something more. | ||
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On June 22 2011 15:04 Mataza wrote: It is not there because I don´t have my IRC conversations logged. The sad part is I have to record every single thing I say. I wasn´t aware of that. IRC kept crashing. So, your claiming that RoL was told of something that you don't actually have proof of? This is sounding scummier by the moment. | ||
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On June 22 2011 15:09 youngminii wrote: Are you really thinking Mataza is scum? He's obviously 99% a vet. Uncharacteristic play from you. Eh? uncharacteristic? Not really. Someone claims "hi guys I caught a red" his entire argument gets debunked. When the game is also at a point where a misslynch royally fucks the town it is not unsurprising to assume mafia is trying something. At this stage in the game with only 1 red down, 5-11, 1 misslynch and a night of hits puts mafia in a position that only town kp can actually prevent the mafia from winning. You're damn right im suspicious. He comes out with a "solid plan" that was designed to catch a red. Rather than have the only real piece of proof needed to seal the deal it is strangely missing. The situation is now Mataza is scum. Believed roba had solidly "leaked" his role, and double stacked roba or shot hiro in hopes of getting RoL lynched. Or Mataza is vet, mafia shot roba and mataza and this entire situation is a total wtf shit. | ||
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On June 22 2011 15:20 youngminii wrote: mataza claimed vet to sandroba a long time ago you can't seriously expect me to believe scum mataza had the foresight to plan this from the very start his entire argument hasn't really been debunked it's just an issue of whether or not to believe mataza or rol rol's good enough to know what to do in this situation (as scum), and if you're convinced the OBVIOUS vet is scum then obviously rol's doing a good job but yeah if neither of them are red this whole situation is fucked and mataza shall never be trusted again  He just claimed in earlier posts that he didnt tell sand his role until around the same time sand supposedly told RoL. Like, this entire plan hatched from. Sand "telling RoL" his role the moment he was told by mataza. Mataza then gets annoyed and they make this plan to confirm RoL. Or have I horribly misread what has been presented here? | ||
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On June 22 2011 15:27 Mataza wrote: Seriously, am I hallucinating? All these players are supposed to promote discussion and pro town atmosphere from day 1. What actually happened is that the thread was incredibly inactive and RoL actually got away day 2 by waiting. You are not supposed to wait until the suspicion on you is gone. They all kept moderately active if you look at post numbers. But you can also find gems like: Mine has posted+ Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 13:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered. I can´t believe the apathy of our beloved vets. Believe it or not a lot of our apathy comes from retarded plays like this. You know what, yes, telling in thread not to shoot hiro could infact have given his role away, but whats worse? Him being shot with a bomb on no one, and wasting two town kp's or get one to hopefully get his shot off? You call it apathy but seriously, day 1 and 2 town was killed in the lynches and tunneled. I spend a day trying to direct a lynch towards someone who gets modkilled a day later. RoL does defend himself and gets the lynched moved (sadly to a townie) but the person he saved was a blue. Why would mafia put their neck out that far. Why would he not just defend himself and get hiro killed instead? Overall the plays done by RoL have shown a ton of apathy but factor in other circumstances and they aren't horrendously scumlike. Seriously dude. You have been caught in a situation where you have literally no proof of what you claim and ask people to trust you. But not just trust you in this, you want them to mason you? To organize people? Why would anyone trust you when you have yet to actually prove your alignment. Instead it wastes peoples mason's and potentially outs the remaining blues. | ||
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On June 22 2011 16:02 Mataza wrote: This is a nice argument right there. Could RoL know if Syllo or Hiro were blue? No, he didn´t. Would he be more credible when he attacks a lurker no one else had on the radar, through the sheer power of being a forum veteran? Yes, I do think so. I can´t remember RoL defending Hiro. Actually, I do remember you, BC, telling the town to shoot the survivor of the lynch anyway. Because you just don´t care. Oh wait, halfway through the night Sandroba said this To which you answered this: You can´t say you didn´t call for shooting the survivor of the lynch. Oh how very indifferent to who gets lynched. You don´t even try to find out which is red. Let´s just try and if it didn´t work, try again. I mean we have a lot of town players, it´s not like it´s important to minimize losses. So wanting someone dead to clear up a descrepency in voting and seeing people who pushed people is a bad thing? You then point out my post bolding information found in the voting thread as a bad post? He missed an obvious post, it is very -_- In that same token, you are annoyed I wanted to see hiro and syllogen flip. But Hiro was up for two lynches. Not 1, 2. He had been attacked by a ton of people, and flipped town. Syllogen appeared scummy but flipped town. Seeing the information provided when so much analysis and time had gone into that situation had to be given. Not only did hiro clear that, a red died, and we are left in a much better position than we were day 2. I get that you are mad I am attacking your plan but seriously dude, its really really really weak. IF you think hes red so much, solidly analyze the guy. Convince me, as of now you don't have enough. | ||
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On June 22 2011 16:23 youngminii wrote: relax mataza no need to go mouthing off at everyone rol is still slated to die, it's only bc defending him and bc, there's been plenty of analysis done on rol You mean like your analysis on him day 2? which was very familiar to your day 1 tunnel of ILJ that led to a townie? | ||
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On June 22 2011 16:21 Mataza wrote: My piece of evidence that seals the deal is me being fucking alive after being shot. In other games this is regarded as being confirmed vet. Now either you think the scumteam is a band of clowns that devises plans like this: To which the sensible alternative is this: Tell me, Node was scum right, so tell me would Node approve this? Would he actually say yes, we have someone claiming veteran Day 1, only for him to throw it all away day 3 by attacking RoL with an incomplete case? You, fine sir, must be mad to think that. On the other, if Sand slipped, by accident, a blueclaim to RoL and then Sand as well as the blueclaim get hit at night, but the blueclaim is veteran and tells the tale of it, that is total wtf shit? Sands slip doesn't even look like a fucking slip dude. and why did you list an example strategy of what mafia would do, when it didn't happen? It's day 3, RoL is not dead, and an inactive isn't on the lynch? Like your clawing at straws here. You also list these ideas of what one I claim happen then another that is more sensible? The sensible one because it didn't happen doesn't confirm RoL is scum? Saying what I proposed is wrong is just horribly WIFOM. Anything can happen in this game. On June 22 2011 16:38 Mataza wrote: This is wrong on sooo many levels. RoL is right now up for his second lynch, too. It is also the first case to involve a blue and it would also be the first lynch to off a red. Up to now only GREENS have been up to be lynched. I may be missing something, but our information from day 1 and day 2 analysis are worth nothing. You can´t tell me you hit Node through that knowledge. I believe you are good, but I don´t believe you are a magician. How is our position any better than day 2? Why Node´s death doesn´t matter to scum: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4L4d9.jpg) If I was scum and I could ensure that no scum will be lynched for the rest of the game, I would totally do it. And that is why our situation is actually worse then day 2. Much worse. We magically caught a scum oh wondrous world. No analysis has been done on him. Sinani commited a vote to him. How the fuck did you "catch" Node? Wait, now your questioning how our situation is better? We are down one scum. As for how it happened? Did you not see me call him out day 1? Did you not see he continued the same activity I called him out for? Did you not see how he barely got through day 2. They guy is a damn vet and knows better. Sometimes you just look at the play and go "i know hes scummy" and It was acted on. As for day 2 being worse? How is being up a townie, and down a red a bad thing? How is not wasting town KP to kill a town kp a bad thing. Its only a bad looking day because we have wastes so much damn time on this shit already. | ||
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On June 23 2011 11:55 Kenpachi wrote: Im leaning towards BC being mafia > RoL though. If this is true, and RoL is innocent and the only two people on the lynch were townies, why would I ever stick my head out? Seriously. Whatever though, pretty well too late to do anything. | ||
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