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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 08:01 GMT
#672
Kenpachi should also be policy lynched/vigged every game for playing like that. I don't know why he is allowed to get away with it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 08:08 GMT
#673
EBTWOP: Oh Scamp is dead
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 09:34 GMT
#678
On June 18 2011 18:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 16:48 syllogism wrote:
I'm frankly getting sick of most of the veterans barely playing the game. This was specifically a game which gave preference to players who would be active. I'm willing to lynch RoL, BloodyC0bbler, Node, Scamp, GGQ, though obviously RoL is the most worthless one thus far. BloodyC0bbler hey you made the zodiac list for the specific purpose of forcing people to be active and we've yet to see any analysis from you and it's day 2.



It's 5:30 in the morning and your bitching I haven't made analysis? I have been more active than you this entire game so don't go there. As for analysis I shall do it when I get home from work if I have the time. Analysis on people takes a huge amount of time which I may not have until tommorrow.

Oh I'm perfectly conscious of my hypocrisy, and I didn't mean today, but overall you haven't done any analysis of your own either and just wanted to lurker lynch instead. At least I've an excuse since this is my first game, but you specifically made a list of players, including you, who should step up and bizarrely recommended that those players shouldn't be DT checked or medi protected. I suppose the natural explanation is that you aren't playing for town victory.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 20:50 GMT
#694
It's just frustrating to even to even attempt scum hunting when play like that is tolerated from veterans. It is decidedly anti-town, even if it's more likely he wouldn't play like that as scum.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 18 2011 20:51 GMT
#695
EBTWOP: "to even attempt to be"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 08:52 GMT
#721
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#725
What exactly is it derailing if this thread is a dead zone as you said. Aidnai's case on you is quite solid

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9798242

In addition, I'm looking into Sinani again, mostly because his only vote on day1, Kenpachi, was very poorly reasoned, lacking commitment and an extremely safe vote when at the time of his vote there were two other wagons and it was quite clear Kenpachi wasn't going to get lynched at that point.

He found both GG and ILJ suspicious/scummy

On June 17 2011 05:20 sinani206 wrote:
I got lucky, lol. You were fast too.

GrassGiraffe
Supposedly really active according to his friend.
The scummiest if only because I know almost nothing about the others.

On June 17 2011 02:38 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:57 Scamp wrote:
Nice ninja. I was just about to post the non-vote list. Though Demorcerf did vote.

I also like it when people complain about the inactivity and then do nothing to help change it.


Sinani if you don't want to be killed in vain you should probably present a case against someone. Do you still think John is scummy?


Yeah. He defended himself early and isn't now.


Instead, he voted for Kenpachi, apparently based on this "contradiction"
On June 17 2011 05:24 sinani206 wrote:
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On June 17 2011 05:26 sinani206 wrote:
Oh yeah: ##Vote: Kenpachi

Not only is your posting worse than in any of your previous games, it is also contradictory. I mean you always lurk but this contradictory and repetitive bullshit is really scummy.

Perhaps he hasn't played with Kenpachi much, but he should know this is a null tell at best

He was around at the time of the deadline, but didn't feel like committing into voting on any of the three wagons at the time (Hiro, GG, ILJ), but still said we would be getting "valuable information" from the ILJ lynch, which is, of course, always a bad reason to justify a lynch and could even indicate he knew ILJ would flip green

On June 17 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote:
It's too late for a counter-wagon to form, but at least we get some valuable information from the ilovejonn lynch.



syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 10:46 GMT
#726
EBWOP: He also hasn't attempted to analyze anyone, soft defended ILJ while also trying not to antagonize youngminii and highlighted this wholly unhelpful and bad advice for blues

+ Show Spoiler +

[QUOTE]On June 17 2011 13:34 sinani206 wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 14 2011 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Zodiac list time.

Rebirthoflegend
BloodyC0bbler
Node
Mr.Wiggles
Kitaman
Opz
Youngminii
Scamp

Everyone should be watching players very closely on this list. We as a group will draw insane scrutiny from town and as such dt checks should be used on anyone not us. The group of us should be forced to prove our worth to town. It also provides us with a list that if there are any reds in shooting into becomes dangerous as it lowers the possible hiding spots for them. This should effectively keep veteran townies alive and kicking longer while letting medics work elsewhere.

Dts should be firing into people who are likely to be inactive, or have posted something insanely suspicious. Medics should protect anyone who is not listed above.
Note: This is for night 0 and potentially night 1 only. Past that time frame enough information should be garnered in thread for blues to act properly and the vets to properly distinguish sides.
[/QUOTE]
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 11:23 GMT
#727
Also, his posts don't mention Hiro at all, despite him posting near the lynch deadline and the vote being close between hiro/ilj
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 12:17 GMT
#729
You can't vote for yourself even as a placeholder vote
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 16:50 GMT
#735
Unvoting, I'll vote for hiro, sinani or a lurker (which is pretty much everyone) later. Not GG though as he is completely AWOL and should be vigied no matter what at this point.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:06 GMT
#737
On June 20 2011 02:03 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 17:52 syllogism wrote:
That's a hilariously bad case against me RoL. Do you realize that my vote on ILJ was the third placed, very early on, and when I went to bed, and the sudden grassgiraffe wagon had just appeared and ILJ was still AWOL. Hence rather than switch my vote to the 1 post lurker, which should have obviously been the path of least resistance, I kept it on the one who actually a case made against. It should have been trivial to lynch grassgiraffe when ILJ showed up and started looking more townish. Abstaining or switching in that position would have been much scummier, even if grassgiraffe eventually flips red.


Yo syllogism, so you are saying that even if you thought ILJ started to look town before the lynch, you kept your vote on him to avoid suspicion? Fuck killing scum, the point is not looking scummy?

If you had followed the thread, I went to bed before ILJ showed up from work and specifically said if he doesn't show up to defend, we should go ahead with the lynch
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 17:09 GMT
#738
EBWOP: or that is to say, if he doesn't show up to defend himself, we should get more suspicious, but that was the point
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#746
Why is that post in a form of a quote, that's curious
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 19:36 GMT
#747
EBWOP: oh i see you posted it in the wrong thread
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 20:02 GMT
#755
I've to disagree with your assessment of my analysis. Perhaps the metagame here is different, but players refusing to commit into voting on people who can actually be lynched is anti-town. Also I'd like to note we still haven't seen ANY analysis from you.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 21:07 GMT
#770
With the way the voting is progressing and the justifications people are using for voting me over hiro, I'm comfortable voting Hiro, not that the current situation leaves me other alternatives. I do not, however, think I should be vigied if Hiro gets lynched tonight instead of me and does not flip red. It should be discussed at the very least and that should only be the course of action if it is determined a lynch would otherwise be wasted on me.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 19 2011 23:07 GMT
#777
Well I think I'm going to call it a night. I haven't masoned anyone, though I doubt this information will turn out useful. In case someone is still considering, you should have a look at some of the posts I've made and haven't been quoted and consider motivations for mafia making such posts. This is WIFOM, but the context here is a player who hasn't played previously on these forums. The case against me is stunningly weak.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 22 2011 08:39 GMT
#995
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 10:20:57
June 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#1367
I can't believe Sandroba didnt't suspect BC at that point. After his ridiculous Zodiac list plan he didn't do anything at all whole game

Also, it's a pretty silly meta how you've to pretend you are sure that the person you vote to lynch is scum when in reality these flimsy scum "tells" only slightly increase the probability of them not being town. Uncertainty is a pretty weak scum tell anyway and scum tells aren't scum tells once they are known.
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