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On June 14 2011 22:48 Lazorbear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2011 22:35 youngminii wrote:On June 14 2011 22:10 Impervious wrote: Personally, I don't see why we should do anything right now. There's no information to get a decent target for a vigi, and the more we discuss veteran players, the more targets we present for the mafia (and, subsequently, also decrease the likelihood that a medic will protect a vet that gets targeted).
Let's wait for the day post. Quelling any form of discussion is terrible, if not scummy. The best way to analyse people is if said people are making discussion, it's very tough to analyse something that's not there.
In any case, RoL's plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Who knows, maybe you'll find a scum or two, good luck with whatever you're trying to do.
aidnai, you can have my spot on the list if you wish, I don't wish to be there at all. I agree with you in that BC shouldn't have told the medics not to save people on the list, leaving that opportunity open (and unspoken) gives scum wifom as to whether or not they should kill us. Instead, BC's taken this away and is hoping that they won't kill us in case they look suspicious(??). I don't even understand why it's suspicious to kill us, if I was scum I'd kill the vets straight away knowing they wouldn't be protected. I dunno that sounds like you're trying to give the scum a bit of advice..... Correction, lazorbear has this amazing post, so he is a valid option aswel.
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@youngminii ninja'ed yes, you are right.
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@BC Well you could say that the sinani and aidnai bandwagon were created in response for jonn's bandwagon. Seeing that he crawled back into lurking I think he's a very valid candidate aswel. I've reread demorcef's posts and retract my statement that lynching him today is a good option.
ilovejonn/LandenC/grassgiraffe are all good options imo.
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lazor and node are prone to modkill I believe.
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@LandenC Okay, why is he the best choice? You do realize that the reason people find him suspicious is because he's made 1 post exactly like yours. Yet you post in the same way and find him suspicious? That's a serious contradiction right there.
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Okay people I ask you to turn your attention to this post:
On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: yeah, thing is Mig, BC is calling out those lurkers to post. It worked too. So step it up guys if you want to play.
As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells.
One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum.
As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass.
##Vote: grassgiraffe
Serious scum slip right here. First of all, your reasoning for not voting jonn, which you are suspicious of, is totally bullshit. Second, how the fuck can you be 90% sure giraffe is town from the grand total of 1 post (which is a terrible post) he has made so far? Seems to me you have more information than I do. Even then, you are 90% sure he's town, you are suspicious of jonn and you quickly jump on giraffe bandwagon??? Hello contradiction!
Vote for this mafia right now, day1 doesn't get any better than this.
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@hiro Your reason for not voting him is because he's "under the gun". Correct me if I'm wrong, but that argument can be made for anyone despite of his aligment, so it doesn't tell you he's not scum. You are also voting for someone you are 90% sure is town. Seriously what???
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Come on people Hiro is by far the best vote. Join me in lynching this scum right now!
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One huge slip is reason enough to lynch anyone. It's not like mafia push their objectives in every single post they make. He's clearly pushing mafia objectives in that post he made and you have to blind not to see it. It also fits the theory that mafia is not actively interfering and pushing anyone, given how incative this town has been. There's absolutely no reason even for bad town to vote for a players they suposedly have 90% confidence is town, while not voting for the one he's most suspicious of. I could understand it if it was a pressure vote for someone to start posting, but given how late in the day it is and the fact that multiple people have voted for him already, this does not make sense. Hiro is mafia.
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I'm going out right now and won't be back till after the lynch. I hope you guys wise up and vote for hiro.
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Alright people here comes my lists:
VIGs: -Giraffe -LandenC
Both extremelly inactive and based on voting thread alone Giraffe has a high chance of being mafia. His flip is also very informative regarding Hiro's aligment and revealing some info on the players that voted for him. LandenC is likely mafia if giraffe is not (he voted for him for the exact same behaviour he was presenting) so pick your target wisely. If RoL shows up and actually confirms kenpachi being mafia he's also an obvious target. Also his huge post attacking RoL is completely out of character from the townie kenpachi I know.
Medics: -RoL -Aidnai -Wiggles -Varpulis -BC
That's actually going to be hard to argue, but this is my gut feeling. I actually also don't see the point of arguing hard why I feel those players are town and helpful when no one of them are actually in danger.
Do not protect: -Hiro -GGQ -LandenC -Grassgiraffe -Youngminii -kenpachi -Mig
mostly useless lurkers and suspicious people. GGQ is there for (hopefully) obvious reasons and youngminii is there not only because he spearheaded jonn's lynch, but also because his voting paterns are suspicious as hell. Mig is not being helpfull the way he normally is when town.
DTs:
-Hiro -GGQ -Young
This should be fairly obvious aswell.
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Also I forgot to add something. Do Not DT check RoL or BC. If one of them are mafia (which I think neither is) they are most likely GF, so a check on them is kind of a waste.
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@wiggles It's my read on RoL. Do you want me to argue why I think he's town? I don't see that being productive.
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okay so who would you protect instead?
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On June 18 2011 06:35 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 03:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I don't think Impervious would have been a good lynch, simply due to the fact that he was in line to be modkilled until 20 minutes before the lynch.
However, that makes it look even odder for GGQ. What he essentially did today, is throw away his vote, instead of voting for GG who would have been his choice out of the three, he kept it on Imp, who was either getting modkilled, or in any case, wasn't going to be lynched. So, his actions don't match up with what he was saying. Why not stand by your opinion, GGQ? FOS
On another note, the same thing looks odd for Hiro changing his vote to pull the hammer on ILJ so close to the deadline. At the time, it was six votes ILJ, and six votes GG, with ILJ to be lynched, and Hiro only had 5 votes. To have been killed, he would have needed two people to hop onto his wagon, so his nervousness and voting ILJ simply to "save" himself, looks very selfish, if not scummy. He wasn't in any danger, but still ensured ILJ's lynch. I DID stand by my opinion. My opinion all day was that Impervious should be lynched, and I stood by it. I'm not going to switch to a bad lynch just because everyone else is ignoring a good one. You asked me a question and I answered it, but that doesn't mean I want to kill giraffe. He's just a lurker so out of those three I would kill giraffe. But I'm not satisfied with lynching lurkers, tbh, I think it's a bad way to play. And I didn't vote for him to 'save' ILJ because frankly I wasn't positive that he was town. I thought he might have been mafia, I just didn't think the case on him was good enough to warrant a lynch.By the way, I think it's always a bad idea to ignore a good lynch just because the guy looks like he's going to get modkilled. Outside of newbie games, mafia is always going to 'miraculously' appear at the last minute to vote. Lo and behold, Impervious voted.
Okay, but it's safe to assume you weren't positive giraffe was town either. So out of the 2 you would rather let giraffe live instead of jonn. What about hiro, did you think he was more likely to be town than jonn aswell? What you did was cast an irrelevant vote. You could have tryed to sway the lynch to any of the top vote getter you thought had a higher chance of being mafia, yet you did not. You said yourseld you would preffer to kill giraffe out of the 3 yet you did not act on it.
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Man, can people actually start contributing to this? You are making it pretty easy for mafia by not sharing your opinions on anything. Please comment on the lists, add your thoughts etc ffs.
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LOL are you for real man? giving your OPINION on people that should be vig/dt/medic targets is basic and easy for mafia to do? Are you insane?
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Let me state this. From now on everyone is only allowed to shut down discussion if you present a better discussion to be had. Otherwise just give your goddamned opinion. Some discussion is clearly better than no discussion at all.
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Well RoL, I really don't think you are scum, because you are acting too controversial and reckless, claiming multiple shit and atracting attention to yourself, and that's the exact oposite of how scum usually behave imo. However, people are right that you have been useless so far, so how about you share with us your 3-4 scum suspects and do some analysis? You are saying ILJ lynch was retarded but you did not try to stop it. Also how are you supose to be able to "scumhunt in pm land" if you don't even have time to read the fucking thread? It's kind of hard to defend you when you do nothing to defend yourself.
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I'm also voting for hiro. I'll switch to giraffe if he makes a stupid post to avoid modkill again, because apparently our vigs are very shy (or nonexistent).
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