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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
June 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#181
@sandroba: no. There are myriad ways that your plan could go straight to hell. Blues: do not claim to sandroba.

@zodiac lists: cool.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
June 14 2011 04:55 GMT
#182
On June 14 2011 13:52 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 13:49 GGQ wrote:
I don't know if you've ever played a pm game of mafia before, but it can be very beneficial to discuss things with only one or two people that you trust to be town. You can make plans and lay traps for mafia. Don't underestimate the power of your mason ability.


You give me one good example of this happening in a previous mafia game or I vote for your lynch day 1.


One of the regular games, I cant remember which. 36 or 37 maybe? jackal and ver used PMs to work together hunting the scum team. Near the end, they determined in PM that deconduo was probably the godfather, but they acted in the thread like they thought deconduo was innocent, giving him a false sense of security. Before they died, they revealed the truth and deconduo was lynched, winning town the game.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 14 2011 04:58 GMT
#183
On June 14 2011 13:49 sandroba wrote:
@wiggles I described this scenario on my original plan. If I'm mafia 1)I'm risking to be insta outed by a DT check 2)If I lie and claim someone checked me, if there is a DT who actually checked me (which I have no way of knowing since he won't mason me if I return red) he can istantly out me as mafia.
So no, in that scenario there is no possible bad outcome for town.


Pick GF. Say that a DT checked you as green. No other DT in his right mind will counter-claim, as he will have seen the same thing, or he wouldn't have checked you in the first place. All blues claim to you.

You're mafia. Claim green. It's a gamble, but if no DT checks you, then you get all the dumb blues claiming to you. If a DT did check you, then he needs to counter-claim. Worst-case scenario for scum is a 1 to 1 trade with a DT.

No. It's a bad plan for town.
you gotta dance
Pondo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia283 Posts
June 14 2011 04:58 GMT
#184
On June 14 2011 13:50 Scamp wrote:
Oh hey I made it on a list.

Did sandroba say that it discourages mafia from killing people on the list? Because I'm pretty sure BC said for medics to protect people not on the list, thus the people who are on the list are wide open.


The way I understand it; Its suppose to protect the vet townies on the list because if the mafia lynch one then it draws more attention to the remaining people on the list (some of which may be mafia). I really don't think that its worth it though.
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
June 14 2011 04:59 GMT
#185
I think we need to move on. The plan is bad, no one should do what sandroba suggested, now we can all stop posting about it.
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Pondo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia283 Posts
June 14 2011 05:01 GMT
#186
On June 14 2011 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think the point, is that there's likely to be one, if not more, mafia on the list. Then, as people on the list die, the others start to look more suspicious. Mafia might not want to shoot into the list, as it outs their own members. As well, I believe it's mostly for putting pressure on the people who figure on the list, as they are expected to contribute to town, and will be scrutinized.


Why is it more likely for those 8 than opposed to any other random set of 8 players?

I can agree with the whole focusing our attention on players to get more information out of it but thats about it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 14 2011 05:05 GMT
#187
@wiggles I agree that if I'm GF the plan is bad for town. But I'm not =P. If I'm plain mafia it's not even a 1 to 1 trade because DT can use someone that he has a town read on to share the results.

@Pondo Games are usually balanced around the players aswel, so there's a very high chance there is at least 2 mafia amongst those 8.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
June 14 2011 05:06 GMT
#188
On June 14 2011 14:01 Pondo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think the point, is that there's likely to be one, if not more, mafia on the list. Then, as people on the list die, the others start to look more suspicious. Mafia might not want to shoot into the list, as it outs their own members. As well, I believe it's mostly for putting pressure on the people who figure on the list, as they are expected to contribute to town, and will be scrutinized.


Why is it more likely for those 8 than opposed to any other random set of 8 players?

I can agree with the whole focusing our attention on players to get more information out of it but thats about it.


The list I gave is a list of the most experienced players in this game. This forces alot of pressure on us to

A) be active
B) because we have to be more active we give more information that would show our alignment


These are the two most important steps. There are other bits that would go along with it, but forcing us to be active and perform is huge. Finding the mafia among the vets while keeping as many of the town ones alive is hugely beneficial and makes it alot harder for mafia to easily pick townie vets. This does not extend into long periods of the game. It is only really good night 0 and possibly night 1 based on how day 1 goes.
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Pondo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia283 Posts
June 14 2011 05:08 GMT
#189
So roles aren't purely randomly generated? If that's the case then this zodiac thing makes more sense to me.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 14 2011 05:09 GMT
#190
I propose a representative newbie be placed on the list and nominate myself or Mataza or both.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
June 14 2011 05:10 GMT
#191
On June 14 2011 13:58 Pondo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 13:50 Scamp wrote:
Oh hey I made it on a list.

Did sandroba say that it discourages mafia from killing people on the list? Because I'm pretty sure BC said for medics to protect people not on the list, thus the people who are on the list are wide open.


The way I understand it; Its suppose to protect the vet townies on the list because if the mafia lynch one then it draws more attention to the remaining people on the list (some of which may be mafia). I really don't think that its worth it though.

Wrong. It's meant to force veteran players to prove that they're pro-town by exposing them to extra scrutiny, and protect the vets because mafia on the list will be under even more scrutiny if one of them gets night killed. It's a great idea, just something to keep in the back of your mind while playing.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
June 14 2011 05:12 GMT
#192
On June 14 2011 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I propose a representative newbie be placed on the list and nominate myself or Mataza or both.

why?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 14 2011 05:14 GMT
#193
On June 14 2011 14:12 Varpulis wrote:
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On June 14 2011 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I propose a representative newbie be placed on the list and nominate myself or Mataza or both.

why?

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..........I just want to feel special.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 14 2011 05:15 GMT
#194
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
June 14 2011 05:56 GMT
#195
On June 14 2011 14:15 flamewheel wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNTcZOpZ7c


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First, I mostly agree with the Zodiac List, with the possible inclusion of GGQ.

Second, everyone please be hella careful about what you post for the rest of Night 0. Mafia has nothing to work with for their first kills, unlike most games, which start on Day 1. The last thing we need is to give them a quick blue read. In fact, I highly recommend that everyone wait to mason until at least Day 1, otherwise you run the risk of your PM buddy being popped before either of you can do something useful. Remember, if you think he's worth talking to this early, the mafia probably feels the same way.

Third, can we please for once avoid the clusterfuck town that we've had for the past few games? Everyone who hasn't, go read the first ten or so pages of Pick Their Power Mafia and XL. This is exactly what we don't want. It's an environment where the mafia thrives, skating by on minimum contributions while the town tears itself apart on threads of suspicion. Try to say a lot with a little, and try to focus on one or two suspects at a time instead of posting big lists of pro-town and "maybe scum" reads. (see Qatol's advice here)
whole lies with a half smile
FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#196
I see Night has begun...
GL Hf everyone!
"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 06:34 GMT
#197
I have been contacted and mason'd by 5 people so far. I am still waiting on the rest of you.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 14 2011 06:50 GMT
#198
Oh great I'm on a list, now I have to be active <.<
Why are we masoning ROL? I feel as if the PM system in this game is designed to create an information network that can (and most definitely will) be infiltrated by mafia if used incorrectly. That said, I won't be masoning anyone anytime soon.
lalala
FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 07:00 GMT
#199
Why are people masoning so quickly?
I thought your supposed to make sure that the person you mason is actually trustworthy rather than just mason who ever has the most posts or the biggest...
I mean who knows?
You may be masoning Mafia straight away which is kinda a waste because they may not talk back to you...
-_-
"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 07:01 GMT
#200
because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia.
Be a man, Become a Legend. TL Mafia Forum Ask for access!!
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