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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 07:02 GMT
#201
I currently just received another masoning, which brings me to 6. Still waiting on others. Ideally I would like to have minimum of 10 people.
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FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 07:15 GMT
#202
Ah I see your logic

but its not a very good plan if you just presume that anyone who doesn't mason you is automatically Mafia...
I know that its probably gonna be another (real) day or two before I mason anyone...

On June 14 2011 16:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia.

"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 07:21 GMT
#203
I was half joking. I expect some of those who mason me will be mafia, but I know i can root out and destroy mafia in PM's.
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aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 14 2011 07:28 GMT
#204
Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though

Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone.

I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 14 2011 07:36 GMT
#205
On June 14 2011 16:28 aidnai wrote:
Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though

Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone.

I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently.


RoL's masoning has nothing to do with Sandroba's plan... he just wants people to mason him.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
June 14 2011 07:38 GMT
#206
EBWOP:

Never mind, I see what you meant there. my bad.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 08:06 GMT
#207
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because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia.


In conclusion RoL hopes he can 'rape' everyone via Pms...

+ Show Spoiler +
Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though

Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone.

I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently.


and yes if RoL dies you will lose your mason connection if you have chosen him so I advise that you wait at least another day or two before you mason anyone else...
"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 08:42 GMT
#208
medics protect me, problem solved. My goal is different then sandroba's because he wanted to form some half assed blue circle. I am going to use it to kill mafia. I don't use it just to scum hunt, but also to town confirm. Process of elimination baby!
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 14 2011 08:50 GMT
#209
mafia has 3KP
if everyone does mason you then i'm sure mafia would be willing to use 2KP to sever half the town connections
lalala
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
June 14 2011 08:55 GMT
#210
Yes, and thus you probably shouldn't reveal how many people have masoned you at this stage of the game
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 08:55 GMT
#211
incentive to protect me. I don't plan on dying night 0 this game.
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FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 09:00 GMT
#212
Also who says that the Mafia will kill you?
They can easily just kill three people other than you.
-_-

That kinda wastes the point of everyone protecting you because they just kill three others...
So this isn't the best strategy...
"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 14 2011 09:03 GMT
#213
There is no perfect strategy as I stated earlier. The only guaranteed way to win is through analysis. The best way I can do analysis is through PM's, if that means the odds of a medic save go down, then I am willing to make that sacrifice. Besides, TL medics are notoriously bad, they rarely ever get good saves, so risking them not actually saving anyone for keeping a top active analyzer alive is a risk I am willing to take.
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FudgeMunkey
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia59 Posts
June 14 2011 09:18 GMT
#214
That makes sense, but will any of the medics actually use their saves on you or will they completely ignore you?
"Those who brag are the real losers" :D
aidnai
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1159 Posts
June 14 2011 10:44 GMT
#215
Been thinking some more about it, gonna have to disagree with BC's advice to medics to avoid the zodiac list. Vets should be the mafia targets tonight, based on optimal play. Therefore, vets should be medic targets tonight, simple as that.

Saying scum will be discouraged from hitting the zodiac list because of making themselves look more suspicious is BS--
1) there are statistically 1-2 scum in the list of 8, with three KP even if all three hits go into the zodiac list, that leaves us with 1-2 scum out of 5, when the general population is already 1 out of 5.
2) numbers are rarely a good way of scumhunting anyway (I konw impervious probably disagrees)
3) saving forum vets is more important than saving random noobs
4) medic prots are a better way of discouraging KP than threats about looking suspicious

That being said, I think that impervious and myself have as much experience as players like youngmini or scamp or Wiggles (scamp might have played a bunch before I got here, not sure). So is there any reason we're not included in the list?
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
June 14 2011 12:00 GMT
#216
Yes, I do disagree. Statistical analysis is a viable way of finding scum.

Btw, I totally think it's a bad idea to start any kind of PM thing tonight. Probably a bad idea for the first 2 or 3 days even. It'll be very powerful later on, so don't let it go to waste now.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
June 14 2011 12:02 GMT
#217
Btw, why the hell did you bring me up?
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
June 14 2011 13:01 GMT
#218
To begin with, I think medics should consider protecting into the zodiac list. Otherwise, mafia has the advantage of taking out a potential 3 of our veteran players before they even have a chance to analyze.

RoL, I have no clue why you would have revealed how many people masoned you, and then called for all the medics. That just seems like a bad idea if you're town.

What I'm noticing right now is that we're all just kind of floundering trying to figure out what to do, but we're not actually doing anything. It will be incredibly easy for mafia to blend in right now, because all they have to do is bring up one of the ideas that has been suggested so far and point out another thing that's wrong with it. We've had enough talk of different plans. Blues, do what you think you should. Don't listen to anyone else's plans, because you are the only confirmed townie you have right now.
All townies: DO NOT use your mason circle tonight, and DO NOT say who you are masoning, and DO NOT say you have been mason'ed if you have been. That gives mafia more information than they need. The point of the PM circle is so you can communicate privately with someone you think is town.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
June 14 2011 13:10 GMT
#219
Personally, I don't see why we should do anything right now. There's no information to get a decent target for a vigi, and the more we discuss veteran players, the more targets we present for the mafia (and, subsequently, also decrease the likelihood that a medic will protect a vet that gets targeted).

Let's wait for the day post.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 14 2011 13:35 GMT
#220
On June 14 2011 22:10 Impervious wrote:
Personally, I don't see why we should do anything right now. There's no information to get a decent target for a vigi, and the more we discuss veteran players, the more targets we present for the mafia (and, subsequently, also decrease the likelihood that a medic will protect a vet that gets targeted).

Let's wait for the day post.

Quelling any form of discussion is terrible, if not scummy. The best way to analyse people is if said people are making discussion, it's very tough to analyse something that's not there.

In any case, RoL's plan makes absolutely no sense to me. Who knows, maybe you'll find a scum or two, good luck with whatever you're trying to do.

aidnai, you can have my spot on the list if you wish, I don't wish to be there at all. I agree with you in that BC shouldn't have told the medics not to save people on the list, leaving that opportunity open (and unspoken) gives scum wifom as to whether or not they should kill us. Instead, BC's taken this away and is hoping that they won't kill us in case they look suspicious(??). I don't even understand why it's suspicious to kill us, if I was scum I'd kill the vets straight away knowing they wouldn't be protected.
lalala
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