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I haven't played mafia in a long time so hopefully I don't screw town over too hard. @Varpulis: I'd rather lynch a lurker than do a random lynch. | ||
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I'd think it's very unscummy that he declared so strongly about not joining any witch hunts. If I were mafia, I'd leave that option available just in case I could get an easy bandwagon. my2c I'm still for an inactive vote, but I have a suspicious finger towards palmar a little. I want to see his response to the pressure being put on him. | ||
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As for the vet claiming, I'm all for it if the entire town can get behind it. If the vet is a liar, I think we'll figure it out eventually as the days go on. If the vet dies first night because of a roleblock + hit, then we'll know that there is a roleblocker in the game. I don't see the downsides outweighing the advantages to this. | ||
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On June 05 2011 03:31 JeeJee wrote: G'mornin chaps Already some serious mudslinging going on, mataza you don't need to be so defensive and martyring yourself, I hate it when people do that. It makes analysis post deaths a lot more difficult if someone attacks person A, and instead of pointing out the flaws in their attack, A just goes "fine lynch me noob, see what i flip". Point out the flaws in Varp's attack instead. His whole attack is based on your shitty hypothetical wifom argument and is just a way to say "i dont like this type of argument". Correct me if I'm wrong varp  Also, why the hell would someone claim vet? Dumbest thing I've ever read. Claim you're vet if you've lost one life, fine. Not right up front. Vets are probably the strongest role in that they can fill in the role as town leader/coordinator. If the mafia want to kill him, they have to use 2KP or roleblock+hit (which not only reveals that there is a roleblocker, it uses both at once). Since the vet has a lower priority for mafia night killing, as long as the town are always cautious, the vet can act as the town pillar. | ||
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Disadvantage: None really. It's the best way to utilise the vet role, and the only flaw that there could be is if someone lied about it, but the lie should become obvious eventually. But if you don't want to then I'm not going to argue, I think there's plenty of other/better discussion that could be happening instead of us arguing over something that you won't agree to. Better to have the palmar/mataza stuff going if this just isn't going to happen. | ||
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Hesmyrr, I never said my pressure. In any case I did say I was an advocate of lynching the inactives. ##Vote: unichan | ||
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##Unvote: unichan ##Vote stefftastiq | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote: The roleclaim shit was just some bullshit I made up to start discussion, feel free to ignore the idea now, it's terrible anyway. Also, Mataza is scum. You bring up a plan to create discussion while knowing it was completely bullshit, then you tell everyone to ignore the idea (making the discussion null and void anyway)? That's completely retarded, big FoS, if all the inactives come back before the end of the day my vote goes to you. | ||
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While I am remaining suspicious of sinani and steff for their inactivity, you have repeatedly shown throughout your posts that you are one of the following: A. Scum B. Unfit for town Also I'm unvoting Steff because he's put in an effort, as little as it may be. You still have to step it up Steff. ##Unvote Stefftastic ##Vote Palmar | ||
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On June 05 2011 23:06 Palmar wrote: The analysis isn't flawed. Policy lynching inactive people is stupid, and will never hit a scum. I may be wrong, but my reasons are certainly valid enough. Lynching people who you think are unfit for town is also stupid, cause that means you're not hitting scum. I'm glad you actually stuck a vote on me this time though, even if the thought process behind it is flawed, at least you're aggressive enough this time to at least have a hope of creating discussion. Congratulations. The reason you want to hit people is because they behave in a way that scum should behave. The thought process you should be going through is "If I were scum, would I be posting this". Only Mataza and Sinani206 fit my bill when I went through the thread. I would try to play somewhat like them if I was the scum. Now, you may not agree with my methods to the point you're willing to vote me off for them, but can you honestly go through my posts and say "this is how I'd post if I was scum". If you can, then keep doing your thing man. ... what is this really I'm gunning for you because your reasoning/play has been scummy so far, it doesn't have anything to do with whether I agree or disagree with your 'methods'. Also, less belittlement please. Basically your post had no real content. You reaffirm your belief that lynching inactives is stupid, yet you never disagreed with anyone about it earlier. There are plenty of people other than sinani advocating the inactive lynch, including myself, yet you don't even consider this in your crusade against sinani. Then you go on and post a bunch of bullshit for the sake of content. No, you are definitely the scummiest in this town. | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:34 Varpulis wrote: Plan: Cops check sinani. DON'T CLAIM COP If he's scum, find another way to communicate it. Call his claim under scrutiny later, and analyze his posting to show that he's scum. Claim only if you think you're going to die. We proceed to lynch OriginalName, for lurking and not posting content. He has joined all the major bandwagons and posted only his opinion of those players that he's voting for, basically just repeating what everybody else is saying. Thoughts? Probably the best idea so far. I'm surprised you all bandwagon'd on Sinani though, the case against him really wasn't that strong. And if you think really, really carefully, you'll realise that my argument did make sense. He seriously just isn't playing like a scum at all. Although if we are going to go for a policy lynch, I suggest Kav. He's the best candidate seeing as he's virtually only said "lynch lurkers" then disappeared. By the way, when you say "seems like a last ditch effort to save himself", that's REALLY not a good argument. If he's vet then that's exactly what he should do, claim before he gets lynched. OriginalName falling apart in logic, but I don't know what to make of him so.. Kav or Palmar would be my best lynch candidates for today. | ||
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Most, if not all, of the mafia would definitely agree with the lynch on Sinani (assuming he is vet). Don't get caught up in the bandwagoning imo. man if sinani ends up being scum i'm never gonna play mafia ever again | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:33 OriginalName wrote: Just saying, he was an aybsmal vet in the first place, what scum in his right mind would shoot him. A Vet who is not shot is just a vanilla townie. It's not a huge loss in the end. This is so stupid i i holy fuck | ||
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prplhz Palmar Mataza stefftastiq OriginalName You're all on my huge FoS list if Sinani flips non-red. I can't think of any reason why you all have such a strong opinion about lynching him. His actions are very non-scummy. If he had mafia friends I'd assume they'd try to change discussion to something else other than lynching him. Basically makes half the players <.< Also, Varpulis jumping around with his voting pattern, basically accusing everyone. Don't know what to make of that, just noting it. As for my vote, I'm basically defending Sinani now and I agree with Varpulis' plan. Also: Just saying, he was an aybsmal townie in the first place. It's not a huge loss in the end. ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:42 prplhz wrote: @youngminii Town should never rely on blues like that. What is this confirmation we can get on day2 that you are talking about? And if we were going to lynch somebody else who would you suggest? Kavdragon and Palmar? And why do you think they would be better lynches? But yea I'm also beginning to have doubts about sinani206's scummyness but I don't see anybody else with a strong case against them and with so little potential for doing something good for town on day2. Okay, we are not relying on blues, this must be a misconception of yours. Relying on blues is more like when a cop claims and we rely on the doctor to repeatedly save the cop and hope that there's no roleblocker and that the mafia don't snipe the doctor. Withholding a lynch against someone who claimed vet so that we're sure we don't snipe a blue is definitely, NOT, relying on a blue. I didn't actually say we could confirm that he was a vet, but I suppose a cop could do it. My line of reasoning is that there's no reason to lynch him now when we can lynch him later if he continues to be scummy. Kavdragon has (had) very little posts with content. Basically he said let's lynch lurkers and then didn't post. I've already had a case on Palmar. As for YOU, you've literally gone and sheeped along with the sinani case I can only see this as a way to absolve your sins once (if) sinani does flip non-red. | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:51 Kavdragon wrote: So I'll be honest here. I saw giant bandwagon on a player who had no one really defending them. That is a town tell for me. Don't get me wrong, I think that sinari looks scummy, but that big of a landslide of votes is not going to happen to a mafia player. So I was going to press for Original Name, becaues he was lurking back and not posting much other than defence. This claim (which sinani's been painfully obviously hinting at for the since he asked if a vet could be lynched) is changing things. If I were mafia, and I was about to be lynched, I would 100% claim vet. It's not confirmable unless you are shot, and obviously the mafia isn't going to shoot their own member. After they claim vet they have an excuse to be alive for the rest of the game "Because the mafia know that I am a vet". In short, the vet claim makes me think more than anything that Sinani is scum. I think I think that the vet claim is a last ditch attempt to save their own, and by the looks of it it's going pretty well. ##Unvote ##Vote Sinani I ask one last time to reconsider. If you were mafia and you were about to be lynched, you would claim vet. If you were vet and you were about to be lynched, you would claim vet. It's a non-valid argument. If you still feel strongly that Sinani is the scummiest, then I can't stop you. | ||
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you should definitely have a bit more content in your posts, you made yourself a very, very easy target. you shouldn't EVER give up with a "whatever" attitude, you should be defending yourself to the end. your entire defence was mounted by me, and that's just unacceptable. you can't rely on having someone else risk their reputation to save you just because they think you're not scum. you have to mass appeal to everyone else. in any case, this sucks. palmar and prplhz on huge fos because they (warning: theory) both tried to absolve themselves in the end, realising that they were about to lynch a vet and didn't want to have their hands covered in blood | ||
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On June 06 2011 11:06 Palmar wrote: yah, too easy. We have something to work with now, but sadly not enough. We have quite a bit actually. Bear with me while I concoct a theory out of my conspiracy hat. + Show Spoiler [Theory #1] + Palmar, Mataza and some lurker (probably steff or unichan) are mafia. For the sake of being absolute, I'll choose steff. I hope to be at correct in at least 2/3 of these. Note that prplhz actually started the vote on Sinani. In my opinion it is just a misguided townie post trying to think too hard about who a scum could be. Palmar confuses me in that he played like a complete retard in the first few posts then straightened up. I'm guessing he uses this 'full retard' to accuse Mataza for absolutely no reason, knowing full well that nobody would actually support his lynch since it was completely unfounded. I'm thinking that they were just overeager when they both got mafia and made up some sort of gameplan and they included this at the start. Palmar also basically accuses everyone but doesn't really act on anything, except voting me (lol) and then moving on to someone who already had a vote on him. I mean, most of his reasoning against voting Sinani was meta. He's been using meta over and over again in his accusations today. Palmar, if you are town, I sincerely implore you never to use meta ever again. It is an unreliable way of playing and should only be exercised in advanced levels. Trust me, from experience I know for a fact that meta does not work (unless you're a crazy veteran pro). Palmar tries to absolve himself at the end by switching to OriginalName. Mataza is not online. As for steff, all I can say is @Sinani Yaah, OMGUS vote - well - you arent giving me something to work with - I am actually afraid that you are a townie being lynched for overacting and pointing to much fingers - but I still find you way to scummy to vote for someone else right now? just your behaviour to try to pin votes on me was a scummy kind of way to do it - its ok to say inactivity, but when that argument isnt valid anymore - you should really try to find something else that atleast might put me in a scummy light? or maybe change opinion and try to work out whats best for town and find someone who actually is scum. but you wont.... also what you bring to the thread is like its pointed out in originalnames post, pretty thin - and now that you are "in the chair" - it doesnt really look like you try to step it up to do something. theres 4 hours untill the voting ends - and you say its like "OMGUS" vote for me to vote for you - im not just basing my vote on you because you are voting for me, theres the pattern of all your behaviour - and that is kind of my point I'll be working on this theory over the next few days but for now take it with a grain of salt. And right now I'm extremely uncomfortable with unichan/steff/jeejee's lurkerish activity. If they are mafia they're just skirting by under the radar. | ||
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Palmar. He's nearing the top of my scum list but there's a little voice in the back of my head telling me he's just a crappy town player. If we can get a cop to check him I'd be a lot more reassured. | ||
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On June 06 2011 11:41 JeeJee wrote: It's a (surprisingly) good thought. In general, at least the way I play cop, there's 2 things I look at 1) Someone that the town finds suspicious. I put you up as a cop check because I find you suspicious 2) The other good candidate is someone that's really active. It's pretty obvious that the most active people stir and lead discussion, and if they're mafia, it's very easy to lead the town astray. So someone like Palmar as you mentioned might be a good choice as well. This choice is inherently more risky of course, since mafia are also looking to kill off these people, so the cop might end up wasting their check, but it's a good approach nonetheless. I'd put this as a higher risk/reward option. Well I mean, if the town is coordinating the detective check, mafia is probably going to (OH GOD I'M GONNA MAKE WIFOM) kill the person we agree to check. I mean if they don't, they're just stupid. In any case, I'm going to lean on the fact that I defended sinani from the start to remove any suspicions on me for now. I don't know exactly why you think I'm suspicious and I don't really want to know right now (in favour of other discussion) so try to look at the fact that I defended sinani, sinani flipped blue, and postpone your suspicion on me. I think the general consensus is to check Palmar for now, hopefully it turns out to be eventful. @OriginalName I think Mataza is pretty scummy and flying under the radar to be honest, no point in acting on this yet though. | ||
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my list would be palmar mataza <insert lurker here> also, i advocate that the cop should roleclaim IF and ONLY IF he finds the roleblocker or 2 scum | ||
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The Lynch We need to look at who is implicated now that we know that Sinani has flipped town. This will not necesarilly be people who just voted for Sinani. Sucm want to lynch anyone who is not scum, so look for the people who sheeped behind other people's reasons, but tried to absolve themselfs right before the lynch. (Mafia want to lynch anyone but scum, but they don't want to be caught doing it.) lol, this is exactly what I've been accusing palmar of since night post. On June 05 2011 18:15 Palmar wrote: + Show Spoiler + Sinani206 Last person I wanna talk about is sinani206. He has contributed almost absolutely nothing to this game. He created a damn list of post-counts, and he's updating us with vote-counts. This is the lamest excuse for activity I have ever seen. My previous attitude of randomly calling out people for lynching was even more useful than those damn lists. I'm not going to include his lists in this. On June 04 2011 12:48 sinani206 wrote: Yes I completely agree, but if we don't have any outstandingly scummy players there is no point in choosing the scummiest player (who might not be very scummy at all) over a player with one post and an unexplained vote. Wanting to lynch inactive players is a terrible way to play day 1. Wanting to push inactive or useless people, like has been done to me and stefftastiq is a good way to play. You never want to end up lynching the inactive, cause it's almost guaranteed that you'll end up killing a bored townie. The end vote should much rather go to someone who is actively lurking, but not contributing. Do you know who I'm talking about? On June 04 2011 13:58 sinani206 wrote: Varpulis, why did you change your mind so quickly after Hesmyrr posted? More "contributions". On June 05 2011 13:40 sinani206 wrote: He only responds to people and does not contribute to the discussion at all. He talks about some joke that obviously does not have to do with the current game, and then asks me and Mataza some silly questions. There had not been too much wrong with Mataza's play at this point in time, so I don't see why he begins metagaming with his first post. His question toward me was particularly pointless, because I specifically stated that it was a list of players who had not posted since the Day 1 post. I obviously could not name myself in the list because by posting the list I myself would be posting. Silly filler questions to help his active lurking regimen. ##Vote stefftastiq I don't really understand your motives here. You are much more of an active lurker than Stefftastiq, and you actually have a good history of being useful as town, so I'm very suspicious of you. Stefftastiq's meta suggests that he's very careful even when he's town, so while that doesn't clear him by any stretch of the imagination, it certainly pushes my suspicion rather towards you, seeing I know you're capable of very strong town play. And that's it. Sinani206 pointed out that he has a lot of posts, as that would somehow absolve him of suspicion, but it's just bullshit. He's posting a ton, pushing for lynch on people that don't post, but nothing he's posting has any content at all. I don't think he would've changed his posting habits if someone hadn't pushed him hard like I'm doing now. We will probably get a "useful" post from him in wake of this. Let's see just how useful it is. ##Unvote Youngminii ##Vote Sinani206 Roundabout meta reasoning, voted after prplhz had already voted for sinani and On June 06 2011 10:43 Palmar wrote: I think sinani's death would've been too quiet. ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName Literally no reason, just switches. Lynching sinani gives PLENTY of information while lynching ON doesn't and palmar's been going on about how "this will give us plenty of information" etc the entire game. There was also prplhz who started expressing doubts about lynching sinani towards the end but he doesn't seem as scummy as the palmar/mataza duo. | ||
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As worried as I am by the lurkers, I'm getting a huge town vibe from dementrio. In fact, he's probably the most townlike so far. I also haven't seen varpulis act scummy in any way. I mean he was swinging his votes on a bunch of people for pressure but to me that just looks like a very eager townie trying to catch scum. Which isn't a bad thing in any way. Mataza. I already said not to take my conspiracy theory seriously yet, but you do seem just about as odd as palmar. You pounce on him the moment he uses meta against you, yet you use meta against steff. It's not a huge thing but it does strike me as a little odd, I've already said you shouldn't use meta because it'll end up confusing you more than it'll help. I could see an alliance between you and steff but it might just be me wanting it to be there (if you know what I mean), surely you wouldn't make it that obvious if you and steff really were scum. As for palmar, after my refreshing sleep (I haven't slept properly since MLG) I'm going to back off him a little. I still think he'd make a great check but after reading his posts again, I can see him as some sort of deluded townie, almost like a real village idiot and nothing more. Of course, this doesn't completely drop him off my scumdar but my focus is set on mataza now. The only 2 posts mataza has made since the night post are both wishy washy. He basically says everyone in his post is either town or undecided. The only person he really does accuse is me, which is a clear OMGUS vote that would be safe for scum to make. It seems as if he's just an over-secure scum that wants to make sure he's not ringing the wrong bells but wants to get rid of opposition. I'm getting pretty huge scum vibes from this guy. So my DT checklist would be mataza then palmar. If you want to check me that's okay too but I think checking varpulis or kavdragon would be a waste since they really don't seem scummy at all. | ||
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On June 07 2011 08:24 stefftastiq wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay. prplhz Palmar Mataza stefftastiq OriginalName You're all on my huge FoS list if Sinani flips non-red. I can't think of any reason why you all have such a strong opinion about lynching him. His actions are very non-scummy. If he had mafia friends I'd assume they'd try to change discussion to something else other than lynching him. Basically makes half the players <.< Also, Varpulis jumping around with his voting pattern, basically accusing everyone. Don't know what to make of that, just noting it. As for my vote, I'm basically defending Sinani now and I agree with Varpulis' plan. Also: Just saying, he was an aybsmal townie in the first place. It's not a huge loss in the end. ##Vote OriginalName @youngminii you obviously copied this votelist from GM's post - but WHY did you remove unichans name from the vote list? he had a vote sinani as well - it it was not on the top of the list nor on the bottom.... so cant really blame it from a bad copy/paste or something. Why werent you suspicious about unichan? Actually the names were all the people that were voting Sinani. I absolutely 100% support Kavdragon's post against OriginalName. Not only is his analysis spot on, the information that we get from lynching him is amazing. If he ends up flipping scum, then based on the votes from day 1, we can easily narrow down the remaining scum. In fact, if OriginalName ISN'T scum then all we have to do is step back and re-evaluate everyone. That sounds confusing but I'll explain. At the end of Day 1, it had essentially become Sinani V OriginalName plus a few ragtag votes (almost all of which were by people under the radar) among other people. There were some people that switched from Sinani to ON that could be regarded scummy but that's for another discussion. Right now we know that Sinani was town. In fact, the fact that he was a vet made him an extremely important target for the mafia to snipe during the day. As such, it leads me to believe that at least 2-3 people that had originally (before moving over to ON) voted for Sinani were indeed scum. As more and more townies jumped on the bandwagon, the scum felt relatively safe. Then an opposing bandwagon started on ON. If ON is scum, then the vote on Sinani became even more important, as Sinani was the only other option. If ON is scum, then everyone on the Sinani bandwagon becomes even more suspicious than they are now, to the point where they become lynchable/vigi targets (imo). This is actually the most likely scenario, since mataza/palmar are both on my scumdar and steff/prplhz are both pretty scummy too. Now if ON is actually a townie, then this means that mafia didn't actually have to do anything really for Day 1. I mean, they COULD have started the Sinani bandwagon so it doesn't really clear them. But if ON is town, then why would the people that voted for ON have even bothered? Why would I go for ON if he's just going to end up town? The bottom line is that there is no reason for myself or anyone else that went for ON (originally) to risk ourselves when we have a perfectly valid Sinani lynch. If ON ends up townie, it most likely means that the people with ragtag votes on other people could very well be mafia just laughing as town kills each other. This is actually the most unlikely outcome, but it's still a possibility. So basically, ON is almost definitely mafia, but if he's not we still gain a ton of valuable information. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Theory #2] + OriginalName, unichan and either prplhz/stefftastic. Again for the sake of being absolute, I'll go with prplhz. ON and unichan have completely avoided each other (not a single word uttered to or about each other). This is common between scum during the early game so as to not establish any connection between each other (ironic). They were both against Sinani and both without any good reason ie. pure bandwagoning. Prplhz is a special case, he's the one that started the Sinani bandwagon. Now, scum don't usually start bandwagons since it usually attracts attention when the guy eventually flips green/blue, but I don't think he knew that it would become the actual lynch and that he was just making a few little accusations to appear active. Now I know you don't agree but the reasons against Sinani were ridiculous and should not have resulted in his lynch, but I do agree that his reaction to the pressure was sub-par. In any case, Prplhz realises that the lynch that he started is going to go through and does a last minute "I'm not sure about this vote.." dance, but never actually changes his vote since the only other lynch candidate is him scummate ON. Grain of salt. This also means that I'm completely backing off Palmar as I find his day 1 actions weird (not really scummy not really townie) considering Mataza is town. I think his vote switch from Sinani to ON might have been genuine. ##Vote OriginalName | ||
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Kav, don't flame him like that during the game. Leave that for endgame discussion. At this point, anyone that's not voting for ON will obviously be put under scrutiny if he flips red. @Dementrio: Yes I've backed off Palmar quite a bit, steff/unichan/prplhz are all scum candidates too. My gut tells me steff is just an overeager town, but that could apply to both the others too. @Prplhz: Your pressure against Varpulis is stupid. None of those reasons are scumworthy and you are guilty of the last line of reasoning yourself. I kind of don't like how you're just completely avoiding voting for ON, but I mean if you both really were scum you'd probably be trying to lynch an actual lynch candidate instead of randomly pressuring Varpulis. What vexes me right now is that other than ON, the highest number of votes on anyone is 1. Either scum knows ON is done for and is bussing him or they're extremely uncoordinated. I don't like how unichan and JeeJee are abstaining their votes until later, they could be just waiting until the last moment in case another lynch candidate pops up. I'm going to say JeeJee's doing this out of bad play, and unichan is the more suspicious one. Note: Palmar has posted contentless content again for the past few posts. Keep an eye on him. | ||
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Kavdragon is very good at this game, IF ON flips green/blue can i ask the detective to check him? I'm sure Kav will agree to this if he's not scum. Thanks. | ||
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On June 08 2011 10:40 Varpulis wrote: Why should I defend myself unnecessarily against bad arguments when I'm not even up for a lynch? My time is better spent finding scum than self reflecting. This is exactly why I haven't been responding to steff. I'm sorry man but the arguments just don't make sense. If you pressure someone, you really do have to make it real pressure. You listed some reasons against me and then moved on. If I were scum, I could just ignore you and your accusations and be safe because you would just move on to someone else. I never felt pressured by your 'pressure' at any point during this game. I don't think you're scum though. ON, as someone who's slated to be lynched, I feel as if your methods are a little off putting. Why are you putting on heat against Palmar when you should be defending yourself? You kind of just ignored the accusations put against you and went straight for Palmar. Perhaps you're scum and you've given up and you're trying to confuse us before you die by creating/severing a connection between you and Palmar. Perhaps you're town and you genuinely think Palmar is scum. Defend yourself, or you will be lynched. | ||
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I'm still of the belief that ON's lynch will give us more information than lynching anyone else can. I also think he's the most scummy in the town right now. If he flips green, I promise I'll support you in getting some answers from Kav. I never said "lol get some coaching" was a valid response, in fact I told Kav not to say that type of stuff in game because it doesn't contribute anything towards scumhunting and just makes you look weaker to the newcomers when a more experienced player says it. I'm the only voice against this wagon -- shouldn't that tell you something? Either I'm the most obvious mafia in existence, taking on a huge risk to save my scumbuddy, or I'm using my head This may very well be true, but there is another option. Misguided town. If ON flips red I won't be blaming you because you do have the right intentions. | ||
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On June 09 2011 11:26 Kavdragon wrote: GAH. I had to make dinner, then go help Aidnai pushstart his car and just got back. Son of a gun. I'm sorry OriginalName, I didn't act fast enough. Really, though you do need to work on your game. Ok, so night actions: Medic: JeeJee. I think that he should have protection so much more than anyone else that I'm not even going to put anyone else on this list. Mafia wouldn't have defended OriginalName like that. JeeJee actually tried to keep him alive, Mafia would have tried to be on the right side, but let it happen. DT: Check Unichan, YoungMinii, (If you think that I'm suspicious enough to deserve a check then me, but only do so if you think I'm scum) Vig: I don't have a strong enough read on anyone to suggest a vig shot, but one may emerge through analysis of the voting/actions surrounding the lynch. Absolutely not. DT, check Kavdragon. You start your 100% scum argument against ON and then you bitch out at the end even though you and I both know he was the best candidate. I have very little doubt that you are scum because you are the only person in this game that could pull off what you did AND get away with it. I urge you DT, check Kavdragon. If he really is scum then we WILL lose which is exactly why we need confirmation of Kav's alignment. Not many people in town will listen to me or unichan, so whether or not we are scum will not affect town as much as it will if Kav is scum. Right now it is 6v3. Tomorrow it will be 5v3 unless Doc gets it right. If we mislynch again, that's game. I beg you to check Kav or he will make tomorrow a very bad day. | ||
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If anything, shoot Kav. That's the most scummy thing I've seen. Kav is good enough of a player to know that dementrio is as town as you can get. DT PLEASE check Kav as I'm almost certain that he's scum and vig don't shoot tonight, you have tomorrow night to shoot when things are clearer. Shooting tonight is just silly. | ||
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On June 10 2011 05:38 Kavdragon wrote: Lol, why do you care so much? If it's that obvious that Dementrio is town, why do you feel the need to defend him? Also don't shoot tonight? LOL? if someone dies tonight, we will be at lylo tomorrow. If two people die tonight, we will be at lylo. There will not be another night for the vig to shoot, unless medic protects the person who is targeted by mafia. I hope vig doesn't actually take what Kav is saying seriously. If he's not scum, he's got to be the worst townie I have ever seen, worse than JeeJee. Right now it is 6v3. Tomorrow it will be 5v3. When we lynch someone it becomes 4v3. There is another night to shoot someone. | ||
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3 of the following are scum: Palmar/Varpulis/Unichan/Kavdragon I am more certain of this then I am with the previous conspiracy theories, so much so that I don't call this a conspiracy theory, rather a very real accusation. The fact that Kav thinks he can just switch at the last moment from ON to Unichan goes against his exact line of reasoning against the people he 'scumhunted'. From Day 1 he has made HORRIBLE choices from town's point of view but could be explained if you view him as scum. These include a vote against sinani even though sinani literally had no reason to be lynched. Taking control of Day 2 and leading the way against ON, only to completely switch at the lats minute for a very silly reason. And then the illogical reasoning on Night 2. The DT must check him otherwise we have a potentially lost game as Kav is more than able to convince 1 or 2 townies to vote in his way, which is all he'll need at lylo. He lies low Day 1 then comes out on Day 2 to lead everyone after being called out for lurking. Varpulis is lying low. If one takes into consideration that Kav is scum (obviously an assumption is being made here, which is why I want a DT check on him), then Varpulis is an interesting name to pop up. He flies completely under the radar and Kav, in his ever so powerful scumhunting craze, doesn't see this? Varpulis lurks and Kav just ignores it, making as little reference to Varpulis as possible. Palmar's play has been wishy washy all game, but he has been basically following Kav's every move. He doesn't question, he doesn't falter, he just gives shoddy reasoning and jumps on whatever bandwagon Kav has created. Unichan is just flying waaaaaay under the radar and worries me a little. In case you didn't read the spoiler, this is my list of scum. I am almost dead certain that all the scum come from this list: Kavdragon Varpulis Palmar Unichan | ||
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Good luck town! | ||
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nice setup | ||
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On June 12 2011 21:15 dementrio wrote: yea I think despite all the flak lurkers get, lurking is pretty much the best way to not get lynched. I only played 2 games, both as scum, and got deep by lurking while town was yelling "lurkers you are scum! but I'll lynch the active guy!" look also at unichan who was here till the end. Imo someone who talks will always look more suspicious than someone who doesn't. It sucks because I think it makes for less enjoyable games i think you're undervaluing your posts and how they made you look townie it's almost as if you and jeejee took ver's guide, got all the parts under "people that are townie" and then applied that to yourselves this game so in other words good job ^^ also, man am i glad i played this before playing any of the bigger games, i feel as if i played horribly this game compared to how i played before and will try to fix it  | ||
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On June 15 2011 01:01 dementrio wrote: Ty ^^ but mind that by "lurking" i don't mean not caring. I actually put a lot of effort in my posts, and spent more time than I proably should have on them, to sell myself as town. The problem is that it feels more like writing a school report rather than playing a party game, and goes against the spirit of mafia someone's on-the-spot reaction should play as much of a role as his analysis. I think being "out there" and spewing posts all over would be more fun, but it would be much harder for me to do - especially since I don't have any town experience - while at the same time I run a much greater risk of getting lynched even if I do it well. detectives help i can't remember the last time i played a game without a detective honestly, well besides completely vanilla townies vs regular scum i guess we relied on blue roles too much this game | ||
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