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sorry guys. Something came up, wasn't there for the last hour. Should've switched my vote, my bad. I'd welcome a cop checking me, as long as I'm not miller (fingers crossed).
There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense.
It sucks that sinani flipped town, but in a way it was a good thing. There was plenty of discussion about him, and I think it will be important to see who gave a lackluster "what they said" reason and joined the bandwagon.
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I'm cool with accepting that youngminii is town for now. Cops should check me or Palmar, I'd say. I joined the bandwagon on Sinani then didn't change my vote (despite coming up with the plan to mass switch to ON, fail by me) and have been overly aggressive, and Palmar played terribly for half the day until we called him out for it.
I'm leaning town for Palmar, and I know that I'm town, but confirmation would be cool.
Mataza is another possible check, but lower priority.
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On June 06 2011 12:11 Varpulis wrote:
sorry guys. Something came up, wasn't there for the last hour. Should've switched my vote, my bad. I'd welcome a cop checking me, as long as I'm not miller (fingers crossed).
There is a difference between accusations and pressure. I was pressuring pretty much everybody, and it was to spread out and sporadic to have any real effect. It's not that I accused everybody of scum. i accused plenty of people of playing poorly, but bad play != scum. Bad play should be rectified, hence all my pressure on players who were lurking/not making sense.
It sucks that sinani flipped townvet, but in a way it was a good thing. There was plenty of discussion about him, and I think it will be important to see who gave a lackluster "what they said" reason and joined the bandwagon.
EBWOP: Sinani flipped vet. I'm going to bed now.
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Sorry was busy moderating XL, didn't have time to write a long post in case I die. Kavdragon's post made a lot of sense to me. OriginalName was one of the lurkers that I pressured with a less than fantastic response. If i die tonight, lynch him.
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So, all those crazy "mataza + whoever" are a super secret scum team theories go out the window, don't they?
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I'm 100% for a lynch on ON. Right now I'm really regretting that I didn't switch yesterday. I noted his bad posting at the end of day 1, after pressuring him while he was lurking.On June 06 2011 09:34 Varpulis wrote:
Plan: Cops check sinani. DON'T CLAIM COP If he's scum, find another way to communicate it. Call his claim under scrutiny later, and analyze his posting to show that he's scum. Claim only if you think you're going to die.
We proceed to lynch OriginalName, for lurking and not posting content. He has joined all the major bandwagons and posted only his opinion of those players that he's voting for, basically just repeating what everybody else is saying.
Thoughts?
Not much has occurred since then that could change my mind.
##vote: OriginalName
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It's not like he can modkill you for it...
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ninja'd by real posts. yay.
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Updated reads list before I go to bed
Town
Varpulis -Still town
hesmyrr dementrio -Still treating him as a new player. Still getting a townie vibe
Mataza -flipped green.
JeeJee -Logical, helpful, and critical. His posting gives me town vibes, and I agree with his arguments. no change.
Palmar -retarded posting early, recent posts are good. For now, I'll tentatively call him green, though i'm less confident on him. I still like him. Still not confident.
Kavdragon -Yay, activity. His arguments are logical and he's providing good content. Town.
Null reads
Unichan
stefftastiq
Youngminii -I'm this close to calling him town, but I'm not sure. He gets big points for defending sinani.
prplhz -Slightly more suspicious of him now, mostly because he started the sinani wagon. Will have to look through his posts to deduce if it's just misguided town play or actual scum.
Scum
OriginalName -Joins bandwagons, posts fluff, sheeps, and defends himself terribly. Scum. Will elaborate later
Sinani206 -Actively lurking, not providing opinion, posting lists in order to seem like he's contributing. Dammit. He flipped vet.
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Sorry guys, busy day. First, a defense: I spent my early game pressuring. I pressured a lot, probably too much and too spread out. When discussing lurkers, and lurkers only, I suggested lynching the least active. If we're going to lynch an inactive, we should lynch the most inactive.
About Sinani: prplhz seems to think that his analysis was the reason for my vote. It wasn't. sinani played poorly and did not post content until pressured heavily. To me, that was very scummy. Changing one's mind is not a scumtell, as far as I know.
Yes, i was offline for the lynch and forgot to change my vote. It was a mistake. I came up with a plan and didn't follow through. I admit it. That's a bit scummy, I'll agree.
The plan with the cop check was not. It was the only way I could think of to ensure that it wasn't a mafia being clever and tricking us.
Second post about the lynch going up soon.
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A page or two back, stefftastiq made a post that I really don't like. My responses in green
On June 07 2011 17:58 stefftastiq wrote:
OriginalName might be scummy - good points in the posts above - Im still suspicious about youngminiii tho - but he has atleast stepped up.
this is indecisive. He basically says "yeah, he could be scum, but so could that other guy."
About me not having written anything about prplz and dementrio is that Ive felt they have had pretty townish behaviour - Varpulis points out that pprplz started the wagon against sinani, which might be something - altho I was pretty convinced of sinani myself.
I think this is a defense about something, but the last sentence is strange. He states that prplhz starting the bandwagon might be scummy, but might not. again, indecisive.
ill put a pressure vote originalname for now - youngminii still second on my scummylist, what is suspicious is that if scum just "hide" in ON's vote or would they try to find another target if he really is scum?
Bandwagoning counts as pressuring now? Last part is just useless
##Vote: OriginalName
His posts in general are pretty bad. Right now I'm torn between calling him scum, and just calling him a bad townie. It could be either. The post above is making me lean scum, because it's overall too safe and noncommittal. He voted on Youngminii for "pressure,"(weak reasons) right after.
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On June 08 2011 10:32 stefftastiq wrote:
right now i think the scum is
youngminii
Varpulis
OriginalName
All three of you seem to avoid yourself as a subject - and rather try to push for votes at other players.
Why should I defend myself unnecessarily against bad arguments when I'm not even up for a lynch? My time is better spent finding scum than self reflecting.
Pushing for votes is how mafia is played. I scumhunt, I vote, I push to lynch the person I'm voting for if nobody else thinks that I'm right. If needed, i defend myself.
Did you miss this post? I discuss my actions and defend myself.
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Really sorry about my silence, guys. I've had exams all week and am graduating tomorrow, been busier than expected. My schedule clears up after graduation, though, so you can expect activity closer to what I was doing over the weekend.
Waiting to see ON's flip now.
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On June 09 2011 11:06 prplhz wrote:
God dammit Varpulis, I thought you were the nightpost!
Only in XL my friend. I'm confident about my vote. GMarshal, fix that computer!
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Sorry I went quiet at the end there guys. Finals, graduation, and goodbyes took up more time that I expected.
Good luck finding them scumsters. 
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activity, where art thou?
the dead speak with mourning,
for the living still are silent.
Speak, and put our souls to rest.
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gg. I played terribad while I was alive, basically useless sheep, and contributing nothing during day 2. Good job JeeJee, I thought that you were town right until the end.
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EPT
