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sandroba
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May 27 2011 21:13 GMT
#14
/in
Man, am I craving for a game.
sandroba
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Last Edited: 2011-05-28 18:32:58
May 28 2011 18:32 GMT
#69
hmm how many players will this be? Are we gonna have mayor/pardoner?
sandroba
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May 29 2011 20:28 GMT
#113
Sent mine too, I hope it is enjoyable.
sandroba
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May 29 2011 20:29 GMT
#114
hmm, I'm sure someone will make a role with a badass name with no power whatsoever.
sandroba
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Last Edited: 2011-05-29 21:00:32
May 29 2011 21:00 GMT
#119
@GM lol k, but we auto-lynch you day 4 =)
sandroba
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May 29 2011 21:24 GMT
#128
Hey guys, I'll be on the US on vacation from may 31 - june 15, so you won't be seing my usual 10+ posts per day, but I will be active anyway. Just don't kill me on meta pls =).
sandroba
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May 30 2011 04:06 GMT
#161
same with Down-on-your-luck-stock-broker.
tnkted: "I'm a bullet proof with in a game that mafia has 1 kp and does not know each other and can't comunicate"
town: "LOL scum die"
sandroba
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May 30 2011 04:31 GMT
#165
hahahah role check returns: "Badass Mother Fucker"
????
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:13 GMT
#213
AFAIK, Varpulis never played as scum before, thefore he MUST be mafia. Let the wagon start!
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:19 GMT
#221
Hey Mataza, you are kinda making a big deal out of this, aren't you? Starting to sweat under this little pressure, huh?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:29 GMT
#237
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:30 GMT
#239
Decon, is it alright if we say who we designed the role for in the thread?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:34 GMT
#249
Not claim, just to say who we designed the role for, not what the role is. Still only day 2?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:36 GMT
#253
Can you guys read??????? I'm not saying to claim the fucking role, just let us know what player you designed the role for, not the actual role!!!!

How does this help mafia?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:38 GMT
#258
@varpulis I dissagree completely, and you should know better.
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:45 GMT
#277
On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim.


That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right.

For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it.
We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt.
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:54 GMT
#292
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.

Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 20:59 GMT
#302
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.
sandroba
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May 30 2011 21:06 GMT
#315
@BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list?

Mine for example would be:

# GMarshal
# kitaman27
# bumatlarge
# Amber[LighT]
# BloodyC0bbler
# Meapak_Ziphh

That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no?
sandroba
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May 30 2011 21:35 GMT
#382
Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line.

I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest.
sandroba
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May 30 2011 21:39 GMT
#388
@desks that's what I ment. By concise I mean with no useless fluff and spam.

@Amber unless you have something meaninful to bark at keep your quoting spam to a minimum pls.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:17 GMT
#768
Honestly the reasons you guys are voting for me are pretty dumb and borderline scummy. I stated before the game started that I would be going for a trip tomorrow, so I've been missing because I'm doing preparations. I'll also be less active than in previous game because will be abroad, but I'll make sure to contribute as much as I can, and you can hold me to it. I still fully support LAL, and if you think that's scummy you better give good reasons. I still stand by my plan, because it's easier to enforce policy based on it, but decon said it was not possible and that's the reason I droped it.

Second thing I want to talk about is that doubting any role claims at this point is not only useless, it's also dumb. When day 2 comes along anyone who has lied about their roles will be in a lot of trouble, so no one would be idiot enough to lie about their roles. That says nothing about aligment, but it's useless to discuss roles at this point, specially since those roles have provided us 0 info so far.

Now for what's important, I'll be casting my vote today on redFF.

On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote:
I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful...


Ok so the guy gets a mason role and can't think of how that can be useful. Strange that I can think of many ways that role is immensely useful, but then again that's because I'm town. Even if it was useless, as town you wouldn't say that, you would try to lure a shot to yourself to protect more usefull roles. From a mafia perspective this post makes a lot of sense, as it explains how you did not get shot in the following nights.

On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote:
I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me.
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On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:07 bumatlarge wrote:
On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote:
BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys.


I'm not loving your posting so far bro. General sweeping obvious statements. I think you'll be joining my scum list very soon, and in case I need to remind you in (order for me to beef up this post with content-less blabber) I play this game based off my scum list

Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all?

He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff.
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On May 31 2011 05:56 Varpulis wrote:
mafia has plenty of KP. You can be sure of that. There's no way every single scum got a non-kp role. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some 3rd party roles though.

This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary.
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On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:
On May 31 2011 04:58 Varpulis wrote:
role and alignment recieved. Decon still hasn't told me where the quicktopic is though...

Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment!

#1 scumspect Varp!

I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess.





This is a terrible fluff post. He's glad people are calling out varpulis (??), he parrots some weak points people made and his conclusion is it could be nothing. Great.

On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
Ok, I'm gonna claim.
I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day.
I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation.
I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest.
My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage.


Now this claim is the most telling post for me. Miraculosly he finds a use for his useless role! But he feels the need to claim it in thread because casting a random vote on Amber would be "too suspicious". He also explains how he won't be getting shot by the mafia in the future. That makes absolutely no sense as town because he just gimped the potencial for his role to be helpful by revealing it. Also town has no need to fear being suspicious and the only thing his claim does is dodging suspicion from voting Amber. He claimed before he had any useful info for crist's sake, he did not even use his power before he claimed.
From a mafia perspective this makes a lot of sense for the same reasons it doesn't make any sense as town. He's trying to avoid suspicion and feels inherently guilty, so he feels the need to explain his actions before he's even a small dot on anyone's radar.

##Vote: redFF
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:20 GMT
#771
On June 01 2011 06:12 deskscaress wrote:
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On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote:
Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter?


dude i was this close to PMing him asking him to stop typing it that way XD


Whoa, what? How can you PM kurumi deskscaress?
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:34 GMT
#777
Fucking hell trackster, here's a huge completely useless fluff nonsense post if I've ever seen one. Too bad I can only vote one person at a time.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:37 GMT
#778
All of you people are saying my plan was bad and benefited the mafia. Care to explain??? How exactly does my plan benefit mafia? I've already explained how it benefits town.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:40 GMT
#779
Yes, I've dissapeared for 1 day and I've stated my reason even before the game started. Does that make me mafia? No.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:47 GMT
#784
Well their claim holds no wheight if there's no one to confirm it, and if they do it it will sound extremelly fishy unless they provide info that helps us find mafia. I can't see a scenario where mafia claiming a role without info that leads us to scum and without anyone to confrim it that results into them being less suspicious.
Can you please provide me with an example?
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:52 GMT
#788
Learn to read people. I NEVER sugested that people claimed the actual roles. I even proposed that we auto-lynched anyone who claimed with no info on scum.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:53 GMT
#791
kurumi, that's not WIFOM, that's a sure mafia between 2 people. Not a bad deal huh?
sandroba
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May 31 2011 21:55 GMT
#793
Seems like no one reads my posts. How exactly will mafia be LESS suspicious by claiming some random shit after the player that could confirm his role is dead???????? Sure they CAN claim and there's is no one to say they are lying but how does that helps them blend in?????
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:04 GMT
#797
No, you would be suspicious if you made a random claim that does not lead us to scum. Specially if the player that can confirm you is dead. I'm 100% against any roleclaims that does not help us find scum.

My plan does not help Mafia. But lets assume it did. Do you see ANYONE suporting or pushing my plan? So my game plan as mafia was to push a plan that suposedly helped mafia and have none of my team suport it? That would be pretty idiotic wouldn't it?
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:07 GMT
#800
On June 01 2011 07:00 deskscaress wrote:
or how about this
Townie A made a really shitty role for Mafia X
Townie B made a really good role for Mafia Y
everyone claims. Mafia Y uses his role to get Mafia X lynched. no one lied so no one looks suspicious, we clear Mafia Y and we lose. claiming anything is just so dumb in wide open situations like this

knowledge is power and we should work on a need-to-know basis, especially without PMs


So the mafia would bus his teammate to buy town cred. Good deal to me. Town cred is overrated and he will have to continue playing pro town for the rest of the game to avoid suspicion. He will also have to explain not being killed at night. Plenty of opportunities to catch this mafia down the line and you got one free scum lynch in the deal.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:11 GMT
#803
#fistpound Palmar

I already posted my analysis on redFF and I also think trackster is scum aswell.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:20 GMT
#805
On June 01 2011 06:40 redFF wrote:
Sandroba i wasn't sure how useful my role was because i would have to vote the person I wanted to talk to. I figured the most use I could be day 1 was talking to our canine companion, and I didn't want the thread filling up with pages discussing if my vote was scummy and then filling up later on with people asking me to change my vote. My role is one that needs me to do things publicly and the less pointless talk on a townie with a "suspicious" voting pattern the better. I tried to use my role to allow Amber to talk to the thread and voice his opinions. I don't see that as being a scummy motive...I also stand by the fact that mafia will be trying to kill better players and better roles than me tonight.


Sure but why did you feel the need to claim in thread before even using your power? Couldn't you have just said "I think this discussing is leading us nowhere and I sugest we start RVS ##vote Amber". Done.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:23 GMT
#806
On June 01 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:
Well I can certainly understand Sandroba´s way of thinking, trading townies 1:1 for mafs is indeed a good deal.

And here is the BUT:
Giving info about who you picked for is painting targets on people and no one knows on whom the targets are. They can easily interrupt confirmation chains by killing every second person along a string. They kill x people and discredit x people while they do it. Additionally they know their own roles as the ones they´ve picked for others they gain a HUGE knowledge advantage.

What we should instead do is make known the number of killing and misinformation capable roles. That´s the bad stuff. Especially the Killing Power.
Either the scum team is stacked with those or there are mechanics we don´t know anything about yet. I talked about that before.
Because without killing power, misinformation, or alternate kill mechanics, this game is practically impossible for mafia to win.

The thing is claim whatever role doesn't confirm shit about aligment. If the guys claim comes with info that lead us to mafia I'm happy with giving him townie points without anyone to confirm his role. That's all there is to it. Any random claims confirmed or not doesn't mean shit to me.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:31 GMT
#810
We can stop talking about "my awful plan", but I had to make clear how my plan is not does not mafia since it's the main reason people are voting for me. I wish we have a votechecker DT as there is plenty of people voting for me for terrible reasons.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:35 GMT
#811
The point is to make easier to enforce LAL. The first part was never the main part of my plan. The "plan" was to lynch any fake claims and any claim that is uneeded and does not lead us to scum. I wouldn't even call it a plan, I was trying to get us to discuss our opinions on policies, because further down the line it's easy to catch scum on contradictions.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:40 GMT
#815
On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.

You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that.


I didn't say that. If you can't read what I post I see no point continuing arguing with you. My plan is to prevent idiot claims from everyone as that only helps mafia. That's all there is to it.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:46 GMT
#816
On June 01 2011 07:38 redFF wrote:
Oh and Amber's Zodiac list
Wiggles
GM
Sandroba
kita
bum
visceraeyes
BC
Meapak
Dropbear
Jackal

Cesar Milan at your service :D

hmmm, if Amber confirms this list I'm willing to switch my vote to trackster. Trackster last post was incredibly terrible, long, and with 0 content and I think you have the chance to prove your usefulness down the line.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 22:59 GMT
#817
On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote:
tl;du:
Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already.

You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that.


We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out.

Instead answer these questions.
1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight
2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow
3.) what is your favorite colour
4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?

I'll bite.

1) hmm if I HAD to shoot tonight it would be tortedelini because he's either useless or mafia. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a mafia xxxix sinani situation in the late game.
2) dropbear, despite not agreeing with some of his analysis I have a strong town read on him
3) don't have one
4) I'm torn between trackster and redFF. I'm trying to see redFF's posts from a town perspective, but I'm finding it hard to do. His last post with Amber's list has me second guessing myself, because he could have kept quiet about it if he chose to.

@redFF how does that exchange between you and Amber happened exactly? He can say players names on PM? You assumed that list was his zodiac list or did he specifically tell you?
sandroba
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May 31 2011 23:15 GMT
#826
@mataza the purpose of zodiac list is to increase the pressure on the players left on the list as the game passes and the list gets smaller. Me being on the list enforces amber's point that he thinks I'm scum. Viscera is kind of weird to me aswell, but other than that the list feels solid to me.
Can we lynch Trackster today and give redFF a chance to prove himself? Despite agreeing with my own analysis (LOL) I'm starting to get a gut feeling I'm wrong about him.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 23:30 GMT
#834
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 23:39 GMT
#836
I do. I was responding to jackal's post. My strongest scum read right now is on trackster. I had a scum read on you (you can read why on my analysis), but your posting has improved since then, and your post on mataza makes me think you might be town. Mataza I'm leaning towards scum and so is Mr. Wiggles. Not sure about node/bumatlarge/bc, but they are bad lynches for day1.
sandroba
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May 31 2011 23:50 GMT
#844
PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS POST BY TRACKSTER

On June 01 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote:
Ok I need to address an accusation by Meapak and contribute more. Hello Guys!! I last posted before going to bed and 12 hours later I woke up to a pounding headache so I havent even tried checking the thread until now. After this post I will probably head back to bed as I must be coming down with something. Anyways I've been writing notes as I read so this may not all be linear but it should cover anything I found stange:

The amber and redFF debate:
I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!)

As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense?

Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!!

I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote.

Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me )

I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS!

Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought!

Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well

Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing.
IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders).

Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought.

I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently!

Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially:

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Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 20:51. Posts 406
Palmar, bro, you said you need at least 4 fistpounds to get working. So cut the small talk, tell ya bros what number of fistpounds are critical, will ya?

Ya know, the last thing I wanna risk is having a bro´s ego inflated by fistpounds, making him explode or something.


No really, if ya share love ya gotta also share knowledge.


Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar.

Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta:

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Mataza Germany. May 31 2011 21:21. Posts 406
Dude, you are behaving a lot like last game.
First of all, there is not much of kitatrain right now.
Secondly, the "I won´t change unless you bring a solid defense" is what you did as mafia, too. Problem is, you CANNOT have a solid defense in a mafia game. Doubt is the normal state towards everyone. You might as well ask for the holy grail before the crusade even begun.

And I don´t exactly buy that more fistpounds are beneficial without any strict numbers behind it. Carrying over to the next day I could understand. Increments tied to certain numbers I could understand.
But every single fistpound being beneficial is just weird. It has to be either percentual increments or full numbers of people then.
And full numbers of people is what I greatly fear.

Last game, you broke this bros heart. This time it ain´t gonna be fixed with a fistpound and smile. Imma never trust you again.


First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...)

Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS

Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL

Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!!

Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town...

Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange.

Ok i'm off again - chat you guys tomorrow. KISSES xx


Alright have you read this fucking hugeass post? Now try to derive ANYTHING useful from it. Huge amount of fluff, WIFOM, random useless blabber and describing what's happening in the thread, without ONE SINGLE OPINION ON ANYTHING. This is a textbook contribution without contributing anything at all. This post's only purpose is trying to blend in and appearing to be contributing after being called out. This guy is scum. Vote for him.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 31 2011 23:56 GMT
#847
On June 01 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 01 2011 08:30 sandroba wrote:
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.

Lynching somebody you deem useless is scummy. We are here to lynch scum. Not to appease your superior intellect. If we lynch what is in your eyes a "useless" townie we have wasted a lynch and diminished our numbers by one.
Advocating this position in any way shape or form as a townie is lunacy. You sir are no lunatic.

In RoL's experimental mafia games we were faced with a situation of having to go forward with an absent townie or lynch him. There were no modkills for inactivity in that game. In that situation I did advocate lynching the inactive. If we didn't town would have lost by default at a mylo. Torte de lini is not inactive. He may not be posting as much as you like. He may not be posting content you agree with. But goddamn it he's fucking here. He's fucking posting. If you can't come up with a better reason to lynch somebody than your opinion that he's useless I will do everything I can to hang your ass. That outlook from town is sheer stupidity and allows scum to rape us. And again. You're not stupid.

Again, I'm not advocating a lynch, because if he keeps posting like he has there's no way to build a case to differ him from being useless town from mafia. He's also NOT here. He's all over TL, but not here. I'm advocating a vig shot unless he steps up and start posting opinions and giving us something to work with. If you can't see how this is benefecial you are the lunatic, not me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:00 GMT
#852
@RedFF How have I not contributed???????? I have posted opinions on several players.

@prplhz all I can say is LOL. My post of pushing someone to be lynched is fluff? Alrighty... Nice reason why he's not scum. Also nice vote on me? Care to explain why am I scum?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:08 GMT
#854
No you actually haven't stated it. I go batshit crazy at people posting stupid shit =).
I really hope people voting for me are mafia, otherwise I'm dissapoint.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:19 GMT
#856
OK jackal, how can you tell he's townie??? I fucking have no clue. If he keeps posting like that how will we ever be able to tell he's town? What incentive mafia has to kill a player like that if he's town. If it comes to late game and you have to decide who to lynch or lose will you be confident he's one or the other? I was also answering for an hippotethical question by GM if I was a vig and HAD to shoot someone tonight. Stop distorting my posts.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:25 GMT
#860
And how exactly is calling for a vig shot if the guy doesn't step up anything other than pressure?
I'm not pushing for his lynch, I'm answering GM's question and giving reasoning. Sigh...
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:27 GMT
#861
I'm on the fence about you. I want trackster lynched. That's all.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:33 GMT
#863
jackal58, your logic never stops to surprise me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:38 GMT
#865
You tunneled me with bad logic on mafia 39? Does that ring any bells?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:38 GMT
#866
Also I S2 you =).
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:41 GMT
#868
LOL I'm not getting lynched today unless town is stupid. I refuse to believe it. That's just wishful thinking by you.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:50 GMT
#870
You are right I'll let it rest. I've already stated my opinions on a lot of people and I don't see how adding even more candidates for the lynch is good right now. We should keep the lynch between 3 people at the most and there's already a shitton of people with spreadout votes on them. I sugest we keep the lynch between trackster, tnkted and myself.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 00:56 GMT
#872
I don't particularly have a scum read on him, but reading the thread a lot of people tend to dissagree. I really don't care which is the third candidate because I want trackster dead.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:07 GMT
#899
@prplhz Better yet, how am I red in the first place? Where is your reasoning for why I'm mafia? I'm still waiting on it.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:26 GMT
#903
@Dropbear tnkted has explained that his vote is part of his role. Also it being on the votecount list further proves this. That speaks nothing of his aligment though.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 02:48 GMT
#909
On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba.

He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that.

Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him).

##Vote sandroba


So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 05:52 GMT
#950
@BC Can I get some opinions out of you? There a shitton of posts in this thread so far. Who do you think is the most scummy/suspcious player so far?
You say you are guiding town so what exactly should we be discussing right now?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 06:19 GMT
#954
Sure, will be happy to discuss that. Can you put forth that list of players you feel are purposefully derailing this thread backed-up with reasoning then?
As of now you are pulling out an "incontrol" and my time is kind of limited today. I'm leaving to the airport 6AM and will be mia for at least 20 hours.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 07:38 GMT
#969
I would also like to hear more from bumatlarge. This post that he asks for Amber permision to push my lynch is pretty suspcious.
On June 01 2011 01:16 bumatlarge wrote:
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On June 01 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
You all know that You can make everyone say You want them.


...

If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum.

For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist.

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On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote:
Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch.


On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote:
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On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim.


That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right.

For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it.
We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt.


On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote:
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.

Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?



On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote:
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.


On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote:
Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line.

I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest.



Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content.

Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon.

Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you?


So let me get this straight. Your reasoning for pushing my lynch is the following: You think Amber is town and he's voting for me so I must be scum right? No. So you say bad plans are a town trait but since I've been inactive for some time taking care of rl stuff I must be scum right? No. Also I since believe LAL is good for town and I'm opposed to claiming without info on scum I must be scum right? No. And because I can be the "the sly-est of the sly" when mafia that must mean I'm mafia this game right? Again no.

Your reasoning for pushing my lynch are pretty bad, you try to hide behind Amber for pushing my lynch and as a vet considered to be a very good player you should no better. When the wagon started to form you've gone mia and hasn't posted any opinion after that.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 07:43 GMT
#970
EBWOP that should read you should know better
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 01 2011 23:47 GMT
#1253
Ok, I'm waiting for my conection here in panama city and finally had time to read a bit of this thread.

My question for you guys is: Why the fuck are we taking bum SK claim at face value. It's far more likely he's scum. Come'on people.

I say if you are SK bum, you better deliver a dead scum for us each and every night, otherwise you get lynched the next day. I can't see you escaping the noose tomorrow unless you start killing your teamates. Have a nice night.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 02 2011 09:18 GMT
#1336
Sorry but I have to dissagree with the kill sinani plan.
First of all sinani is pretty much confirmed town right now so mafia will have to kill him sooner or later and then he can bring back BC.
Second I want bum to kill prplhz or if he dissagrees make sure to fucking hit scum otherwise he's lynched next day. We have no way to be sure how many kp mafia has so bum HAS to anounce who he's hitting before the end of the night so we can confirm it. Bum, your win condition is to be the last man standing?? That's a fucking impossible win condition pretty much since you are outed as soon as batman is killed and you cannot kill batman. How the fuck do you win? I'm not fucking buying it in the slightest.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#1395
Fuck me.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 10 2011 18:39 GMT
#2947
On June 10 2011 18:12 deconduo wrote:
Torte de Lini the Lurker has been lynched!

Hi Jackal =).
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 19 2011 00:12 GMT
#3640
hey jackal, well played too, I had a town read on you all game! Cheers.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 19 2011 09:28 GMT
#3654
On June 19 2011 09:17 Jackal58 wrote:
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On June 19 2011 09:12 sandroba wrote:
hey jackal, well played too, I had a town read on you all game! Cheers.

Thanks man. And sorry about pointing fingers at you but I had the luxery of not caring which side got lynched. It was a unique perspective. The only person that I really truly tried to get lynched was Palmar. And that was only because he had a gun.

Np man, maybe that's gonna become a trend in future games. I actually enjoy arguing with you!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
June 19 2011 22:29 GMT
#3669
Next PTP must include the retarded batman role imo.
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