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tnkted: "I'm a bullet proof with in a game that mafia has 1 kp and does not know each other and can't comunicate" town: "LOL scum die" | ||
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How does this help mafia? | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Yes, knowing the pick order doesn't do much to help town, but does a lot to help scum. If town sees that the person they picked for is fake-claiming, they need to use their discretion on what to do. They can call them out on it right away, or maybe the role they gave is very useful for town, and shouldn't be claimed, or the fake claim will draw something the real role would want, like a hit. It's entirely situational, and up to the person who gave the role to know what to do, in what situation. A list of who gave something to who, just lets mafia set up even more confusion, and makes it easier to fake-claim. That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. | ||
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Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? | ||
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Mine for example would be: # GMarshal # kitaman27 # bumatlarge # Amber[LighT] # BloodyC0bbler # Meapak_Ziphh That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no? | ||
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I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. | ||
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@Amber unless you have something meaninful to bark at keep your quoting spam to a minimum pls. | ||
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Second thing I want to talk about is that doubting any role claims at this point is not only useless, it's also dumb. When day 2 comes along anyone who has lied about their roles will be in a lot of trouble, so no one would be idiot enough to lie about their roles. That says nothing about aligment, but it's useless to discuss roles at this point, specially since those roles have provided us 0 info so far. Now for what's important, I'll be casting my vote today on redFF. On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful... Ok so the guy gets a mason role and can't think of how that can be useful. Strange that I can think of many ways that role is immensely useful, but then again that's because I'm town. Even if it was useless, as town you wouldn't say that, you would try to lure a shot to yourself to protect more usefull roles. From a mafia perspective this post makes a lot of sense, as it explains how you did not get shot in the following nights. On May 31 2011 08:13 redFF wrote: I'm happy people started to call out Varpulis, especially experienced players, as his posting doesn't sit too well with me. He made a valid point and you told him to come at you? I don't see why a town player would do this. No he doesn't want you to stop posting. He wants you to stop posting bad, pointless stuff. This is weird, I'm not so sure we can be sure mafia has plenty of kp. Also saying you wouldn't be surprised if you saw some 3rd party roles when the OP says they are a distinct possibility is kind of weird and unnecessary. I know this was said jokingly but i think GM might have a point. I don't think I would make a joke like that as town. Could be nothing i guess. This is a terrible fluff post. He's glad people are calling out varpulis (??), he parrots some weak points people made and his conclusion is it could be nothing. Great. On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: Ok, I'm gonna claim. I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day. I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation. I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest. My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage. Now this claim is the most telling post for me. Miraculosly he finds a use for his useless role! But he feels the need to claim it in thread because casting a random vote on Amber would be "too suspicious". He also explains how he won't be getting shot by the mafia in the future. That makes absolutely no sense as town because he just gimped the potencial for his role to be helpful by revealing it. Also town has no need to fear being suspicious and the only thing his claim does is dodging suspicion from voting Amber. He claimed before he had any useful info for crist's sake, he did not even use his power before he claimed. From a mafia perspective this makes a lot of sense for the same reasons it doesn't make any sense as town. He's trying to avoid suspicion and feels inherently guilty, so he feels the need to explain his actions before he's even a small dot on anyone's radar. ##Vote: redFF | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:12 deskscaress wrote: dude i was this close to PMing him asking him to stop typing it that way XD Whoa, what? How can you PM kurumi deskscaress? | ||
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Can you please provide me with an example? | ||
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My plan does not help Mafia. But lets assume it did. Do you see ANYONE suporting or pushing my plan? So my game plan as mafia was to push a plan that suposedly helped mafia and have none of my team suport it? That would be pretty idiotic wouldn't it? | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:00 deskscaress wrote: or how about this Townie A made a really shitty role for Mafia X Townie B made a really good role for Mafia Y everyone claims. Mafia Y uses his role to get Mafia X lynched. no one lied so no one looks suspicious, we clear Mafia Y and we lose. claiming anything is just so dumb in wide open situations like this knowledge is power and we should work on a need-to-know basis, especially without PMs So the mafia would bus his teammate to buy town cred. Good deal to me. Town cred is overrated and he will have to continue playing pro town for the rest of the game to avoid suspicion. He will also have to explain not being killed at night. Plenty of opportunities to catch this mafia down the line and you got one free scum lynch in the deal. | ||
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I already posted my analysis on redFF and I also think trackster is scum aswell. | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: Sandroba i wasn't sure how useful my role was because i would have to vote the person I wanted to talk to. I figured the most use I could be day 1 was talking to our canine companion, and I didn't want the thread filling up with pages discussing if my vote was scummy and then filling up later on with people asking me to change my vote. My role is one that needs me to do things publicly and the less pointless talk on a townie with a "suspicious" voting pattern the better. I tried to use my role to allow Amber to talk to the thread and voice his opinions. I don't see that as being a scummy motive...I also stand by the fact that mafia will be trying to kill better players and better roles than me tonight. Sure but why did you feel the need to claim in thread before even using your power? Couldn't you have just said "I think this discussing is leading us nowhere and I sugest we start RVS ##vote Amber". Done. | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote: Well I can certainly understand Sandroba´s way of thinking, trading townies 1:1 for mafs is indeed a good deal. And here is the BUT: Giving info about who you picked for is painting targets on people and no one knows on whom the targets are. They can easily interrupt confirmation chains by killing every second person along a string. They kill x people and discredit x people while they do it. Additionally they know their own roles as the ones they´ve picked for others they gain a HUGE knowledge advantage. What we should instead do is make known the number of killing and misinformation capable roles. That´s the bad stuff. Especially the Killing Power. Either the scum team is stacked with those or there are mechanics we don´t know anything about yet. I talked about that before. Because without killing power, misinformation, or alternate kill mechanics, this game is practically impossible for mafia to win. The thing is claim whatever role doesn't confirm shit about aligment. If the guys claim comes with info that lead us to mafia I'm happy with giving him townie points without anyone to confirm his role. That's all there is to it. Any random claims confirmed or not doesn't mean shit to me. | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:35 Mataza wrote: tl;du: Your plan prevents something from happening that won´t happen unless your plan was done already. You say w/out your plan mafia can claim any role they want. But they can´t unless they somehow find out who created their roles. And right now your plan reveals exactly that. I didn't say that. If you can't read what I post I see no point continuing arguing with you. My plan is to prevent idiot claims from everyone as that only helps mafia. That's all there is to it. | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:38 redFF wrote: Oh and Amber's Zodiac list Wiggles GM Sandroba kita bum visceraeyes BC Meapak Dropbear Jackal Cesar Milan at your service :D hmmm, if Amber confirms this list I'm willing to switch my vote to trackster. Trackster last post was incredibly terrible, long, and with 0 content and I think you have the chance to prove your usefulness down the line. | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? I'll bite. 1) hmm if I HAD to shoot tonight it would be tortedelini because he's either useless or mafia. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a mafia xxxix sinani situation in the late game. 2) dropbear, despite not agreeing with some of his analysis I have a strong town read on him 3) don't have one 4) I'm torn between trackster and redFF. I'm trying to see redFF's posts from a town perspective, but I'm finding it hard to do. His last post with Amber's list has me second guessing myself, because he could have kept quiet about it if he chose to. @redFF how does that exchange between you and Amber happened exactly? He can say players names on PM? You assumed that list was his zodiac list or did he specifically tell you? | ||
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Can we lynch Trackster today and give redFF a chance to prove himself? Despite agreeing with my own analysis (LOL) I'm starting to get a gut feeling I'm wrong about him. | ||
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On June 01 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote: Ok I need to address an accusation by Meapak and contribute more. Hello Guys!! I last posted before going to bed and 12 hours later I woke up to a pounding headache so I havent even tried checking the thread until now. After this post I will probably head back to bed as I must be coming down with something. Anyways I've been writing notes as I read so this may not all be linear but it should cover anything I found stange: The amber and redFF debate: I find it surprising that redFF would assume Amber could speak normally in PMs. The roles were decided pre alignment and I assume Amber cant PM normally nor speak to mafia in quicktopics normally if he is red. (This is an ASSUMPTION!) As this provides us with no leads and knowing roles does not hint at alignment I suggest it becomes redFFs mission to decipher Ambers talk in PMs without clogging up the thread. This way we can open an avenue of conversation with the dog that is clear and not waste peoples time with it in thread. If either is lying the other can out them, if both are lying we'll find out soon enough. Make sense? Next I had a horrid thought - what if Palmar had the role to fist pound everyone in game to win? SCARY!!! I'm annoyed many haven't voted in thread. I hope this picks up as I hate having to check the voting thread and I assume anyone not double voting (as suggested in the OP) is being sneaky! Voting in thread means being explicit too - not just saying 'i think *** may be mafia' and going off to vote. Next i came across tnkted coagulation vote. I can see how if he had to pick a random name tnkted would pick Coag but I dont think there's enough info here for strong guesses (not that it ever stops me ) I thought that maybe tomorrow we should out any roles we feel would be too strong if Mafia had them OR out any people we created a mafia sided role for without outing the role. This is just an idea and does not reflect on the role created. However townies would be interested in outing strong mafia-usable roles so i thought this may be a good plan. DISCUSS! Next: What is Amber is the mole? I remember when I red about the mole/s I thought to myself that it would be best if mafia tried to contact me ASAP so I can setup some grounds for the switch (eg. not outing my role or outing pro-town info). If Amber is the mole mafia may have told redFF to contact amber to let him know and redFF felt he had to out.. Food for thought! Then I read Zeapaks post - I hope this post if full of enough information for you. I honestly noted everything I thought relevant and through a strong migraine as well Viscera Eyes you pounded waaaaaay to early.. I really DONT like this whole Palmar thing. IF Palmar is pro town why would he out that he has a role that scales with pounds? That sounds like someone mafia would kill just in case. If he is Mafia though he has a good reason to reveal - to get pounds from town as well as maf (otherwise mafia is self revealed as all the pounders). Also I'm thinking if Palmar says 4 is the critical point but more are better I ASSUME that theres a mathematical rule to his ability. EG. He gets to use it #pounds/2 -> so 4 pounds = 2 uses which is more realistic than 6 for 3 and more useful than 3 for 1. Just a thought. I feel Kita is under too much pressure and being BWed on d1. We dont have any real info yet only conjecture. How can Kita be under that much discussion when there's more people to check? Finally the conversation has changed to sanroba but only recently! Mataza I'm finding your comments and play style very weird. Especially: Not only had Palmar already explained that more were better but mataza chooses this point to complain. Sounds like a possible mafia who doesnt want to pound. Even though he sounds friendly with Palmar. Next post is cryptic cos I don't know the meta: First of all I think there is a Kita Train. Secondly I think this sounds very much like a mafia justifying not pounding. Now I myself justified not pounding but only in a general 'we dont know what it does sense'. Mataza seems to trust the mechanic but not the use of it (Why more pounds? Use less for a Benefit...) Having said that this is just something I found strange NOT an all out FOS Also on the iPhone Fist Pound keeps getting corrected to Fish Pond - LOL Next Chaos13 said Im reluctant to contribute - In fact I am in a different time zone, i sleep ALOT and I am slow at reading mafia threads!! Bum pressuring a role claim on tnkted - now that I didnt like. I dont like BWs d1 and I know bum has been mentioned before but he is definitely on my 'tricksy' list. I don't see how a roleclaim d1 on someone you have no info on is beneficial to town... Lastly Kurumi posted this strange riddle job. I have to say it's been really tough to break into but I suggest someone analyze his capitalisation - it sure is strange. Ok i'm off again - chat you guys tomorrow. KISSES xx Alright have you read this fucking hugeass post? Now try to derive ANYTHING useful from it. Huge amount of fluff, WIFOM, random useless blabber and describing what's happening in the thread, without ONE SINGLE OPINION ON ANYTHING. This is a textbook contribution without contributing anything at all. This post's only purpose is trying to blend in and appearing to be contributing after being called out. This guy is scum. Vote for him. | ||
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On June 01 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote: Lynching somebody you deem useless is scummy. We are here to lynch scum. Not to appease your superior intellect. If we lynch what is in your eyes a "useless" townie we have wasted a lynch and diminished our numbers by one. Advocating this position in any way shape or form as a townie is lunacy. You sir are no lunatic. In RoL's experimental mafia games we were faced with a situation of having to go forward with an absent townie or lynch him. There were no modkills for inactivity in that game. In that situation I did advocate lynching the inactive. If we didn't town would have lost by default at a mylo. Torte de lini is not inactive. He may not be posting as much as you like. He may not be posting content you agree with. But goddamn it he's fucking here. He's fucking posting. If you can't come up with a better reason to lynch somebody than your opinion that he's useless I will do everything I can to hang your ass. That outlook from town is sheer stupidity and allows scum to rape us. And again. You're not stupid. Again, I'm not advocating a lynch, because if he keeps posting like he has there's no way to build a case to differ him from being useless town from mafia. He's also NOT here. He's all over TL, but not here. I'm advocating a vig shot unless he steps up and start posting opinions and giving us something to work with. If you can't see how this is benefecial you are the lunatic, not me. | ||
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@prplhz all I can say is LOL. My post of pushing someone to be lynched is fluff? Alrighty... Nice reason why he's not scum. Also nice vote on me? Care to explain why am I scum? | ||
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I really hope people voting for me are mafia, otherwise I'm dissapoint. | ||
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I'm not pushing for his lynch, I'm answering GM's question and giving reasoning. Sigh... | ||
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On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba. He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that. Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him). ##Vote sandroba So that's the only reasoning I found for your vote on me. I must say your reasoning is great. "He's behaving odd imo and is spammy." How does that equal scum? Am I missing something here? | ||
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You say you are guiding town so what exactly should we be discussing right now? | ||
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As of now you are pulling out an "incontrol" and my time is kind of limited today. I'm leaving to the airport 6AM and will be mia for at least 20 hours. | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:16 bumatlarge wrote: ... If my memory serves me correctly, I played a standard-ish game with redFF in it. He was very forward and direct. He's doing that now, and his role is harmless unless he's trying to contact moles and such. I highly doubt that, that because why would he claim then? redFF, just like kitaman, is not giving me a vibe. And I already stated that tnkted has a peculiar role, but unlike redff, I see no apparent town benefit. I would still rather lynch tnkted rather then anyone on your list, but his role seems very... traceable. I think reasons to lynch him will make themselves apparent via his role if he is scum. For that reason, I'm going to put my vote on sandroba since amber is giving off town vibes like a radioactive scumhunting puppy. And he can't push sandroba himself so maybe I can assist. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. On May 31 2011 05:45 sandroba wrote: That's simple to solve. Town should NOT fake role claim. Period. You either not claim or claim your role right. For how this plan helps town: After a couple kills/lynches we won't be able to keep track of who knows which players role. If we have a day1 list there's no room for people fake confirming / lying about someone else's role after some time has passed in the thread an no one claimed to know it. We can also take role claims that cannot be confirmed (perso is dead) with a grain of salt. On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote: EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role. On May 31 2011 06:35 sandroba wrote: Alright, as much as I am intrigued by Amber's dog role, that's not leading us nowhere near finding scum. Maybe the person who gave Amber this role will have some info for us down the line. I think we should focus on putting up BC's list and giving your opinion about policy lynches and LAL. Make your posts concise because this thread is quickly turning into a spam fest. Now bad ideas can be a common town trait, as no mafia intentionally lays out a bad idea to try to make town follow it. But they will try to give us something to make it seem like contributions. That's often why it's important to look into bad plans, like I did with varpulis. Only varp has been much more active and noticeably has been improving his post content. Sleeper Cell has revealed that sandroba can be the sly-est of the sly. The guy is not stupid, and I think amber pointed out posts that have thought process flaws. Aside from his plan which he ditched fairly quickly, he grasped onto the policy portition. Policy is for people who can't think and use common sense. Policy is a word for scum who want to add fluff to there posts. Policy policy policy policy. I am so town! Sandroba offends my eyes with his doggedness (woah!) of this policy, and plus it's LAL, which can go suck a lemon. Amber can I get permission to push this scum for you? So let me get this straight. Your reasoning for pushing my lynch is the following: You think Amber is town and he's voting for me so I must be scum right? No. So you say bad plans are a town trait but since I've been inactive for some time taking care of rl stuff I must be scum right? No. Also I since believe LAL is good for town and I'm opposed to claiming without info on scum I must be scum right? No. And because I can be the "the sly-est of the sly" when mafia that must mean I'm mafia this game right? Again no. Your reasoning for pushing my lynch are pretty bad, you try to hide behind Amber for pushing my lynch and as a vet considered to be a very good player you should no better. When the wagon started to form you've gone mia and hasn't posted any opinion after that. | ||
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My question for you guys is: Why the fuck are we taking bum SK claim at face value. It's far more likely he's scum. Come'on people. I say if you are SK bum, you better deliver a dead scum for us each and every night, otherwise you get lynched the next day. I can't see you escaping the noose tomorrow unless you start killing your teamates. Have a nice night. | ||
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First of all sinani is pretty much confirmed town right now so mafia will have to kill him sooner or later and then he can bring back BC. Second I want bum to kill prplhz or if he dissagrees make sure to fucking hit scum otherwise he's lynched next day. We have no way to be sure how many kp mafia has so bum HAS to anounce who he's hitting before the end of the night so we can confirm it. Bum, your win condition is to be the last man standing?? That's a fucking impossible win condition pretty much since you are outed as soon as batman is killed and you cannot kill batman. How the fuck do you win? I'm not fucking buying it in the slightest. | ||
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On June 10 2011 18:12 deconduo wrote: Torte de Lini the Lurker has been lynched! Hi Jackal =). | ||
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On June 19 2011 09:17 Jackal58 wrote: Thanks man. And sorry about pointing fingers at you but I had the luxery of not caring which side got lynched. It was a unique perspective. The only person that I really truly tried to get lynched was Palmar. And that was only because he had a gun. Np man, maybe that's gonna become a trend in future games. I actually enjoy arguing with you! | ||
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