Pick Their Power Mafia

On May 29 2011 03:24 Torte de Lini wrote:


No you should with me ;D

On May 30 2011 00:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Fuck me. /In if there is room.

On May 30 2011 00:38 tnkted wrote:
If I get jackal I'll be giving him the "jackie chan" role. Basically he's a kill immune lynch immune that is immune to actions but has to kill a random player every night.

He's a KI LI Ascetic Aswolg.

On May 30 2011 10:08 Varpulis wrote:
Probably not. The best roles are just creative combinations of the powers that are possible in mafia.

example: Bulletproof Miller. Evil role, that.

On May 30 2011 13:00 chaos13 wrote:


tnkted: "I'm a zombie that is immune to night kills and will give you a scum free PM circle."
town: "LOLOL ##vote: tnkted"

That was a painful game to watch.

On May 31 2011 01:56 deskscaress wrote:


perfect, can i get "/in"?

On May 31 2011 05:53 Mataza wrote:
By the way.
How would our host balance? If there are no KP roles(Since mafia has only 1 KP in a 30 player game), it means to me that we either have neutrals filled in to balance the game out.

Is that a possibility, or did our fine town fill the roster with kp?

On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote:
Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier.

Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons.
What are you guys' opinions about this?

On May 31 2011 05:59 sandroba wrote:
EBWODP: That should have read we policy lynch ANYONE who claims without valuable information or lies about their role.

On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:

Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all?

On May 31 2011 06:16 Kurumi wrote:
Ok,looks like Amber is
a)A Detective Dog
b) Trolling

A) is more likely,that means we have some kind of Bullet-bill role.

On May 31 2011 06:19 Kurumi wrote:
Bullet Bill is a role from PYP3 (probably earlier too)
Basically it was a guy who detected who had a gun or not. (DT)

On May 31 2011 06:20 Node wrote:
All right, since Amber's posting restriction makes him literally impossible to analyze, I'd say he's up to the front of the queue for a DT check.



Bullet-bill is able to "sniff out" roles that have guns. Thus, a dog.

On May 31 2011 06:22 Amber[LighT] wrote:


*wiggles his tail*










grrr.....




*sniff sniff...*
*woof*
*grrrr...*
*wiggles his tail*
*whines sadly*
*barks loudly*
*growls*
*lies down*

On May 31 2011 06:31 prplhz wrote:
@Mataza, @redFF

If the person I made my role for whined as much about it as you guys, I'd not be very happy about that. I think keeping role-whining to an absolute minimum would be awesome, we can't all be the goddamn batman and you're not gonna get a new role anyway.

On May 31 2011 06:33 GMarshal wrote:

No, he is calling for a reduction in spam, which is a good thing. Whining is not helping us catch scum.

So, who so far do you think should go on the zodiac list redFF?

On May 31 2011 06:48 Eternalmisfit wrote:
I am assuming that the zodiac list is something akin to this idea (since I can't find anything else that is close to the zodiac list).

Zodiac list

A confirmation on this would be good so that I can think about who all should be include in it or not.

On May 31 2011 07:57 Palmar wrote:


yo bro, that's why I asked for a #pawpound from the dog. I spoke with Dec and he was down with pawpounds.

Doggy needs a little love too man.

And don' worry 'bout that stuff man, there ain't no OP role in the game, so fistpounding me aint gonna kill you.

While I'm at it tnkted bro, can I get a fist from you?

#Fistpound tnkted

On May 31 2011 06:10 Varpulis wrote:

Come at me bro. Would you rather I not post at all?

On May 31 2011 05:56 Varpulis wrote:
mafia has plenty of KP. You can be sure of that. There's no way every single scum got a non-kp role. I wouldn't be too surprised to see some 3rd party roles though.

On May 31 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote:

Number one scum tell making "jokes" about your alignment!

#1 scumspect Varp!

On May 31 2011 09:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Red, is Amber allowed to talk normal in pms?

On May 31 2011 09:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
Unless I am mistaken about us not being allowed to roleclaim until Day 2, ?

On May 31 2011 09:38 bumatlarge wrote:
redff, can you switch who you have pm rights with by switching your vote? Or is it just one person for the rest of the day?

On May 31 2011 04:00 redFF wrote:
role received. I will find the scum by any means possible!

On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote:
I'm an interrogator

On May 31 2011 10:46 deskscaress wrote:


k
i was just about to ask if he was the guy that held up lynch votes just so he could hammer and always voted for someone who had no votes just to be difficult cause it seems like it. but i guess you answered essentially the same question

also, good to know that it will slow down slightly. i know this is a more website-related question but can someone tell me (or PM me if you don't want to clutter the thread) how to put more posts per page if possible?

also, i like what someone said up above about posting in here who you want to vote for before you post in the voting thread so we can track wagons. that being said, my vote today is going to go for ##redFF for reasons stated in my last two posts. BOOM.

On May 31 2011 11:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yo red why you you spell amber's name AMber?

On May 31 2011 12:57 Karshe wrote:
Of course my play is off, I'm new to the game. Call it playing the "noob card" if you will, but I'd rather get lynched for being an active noob than an inactive lurker, which we currently have plenty of.

As I have previously said, I was responding directly to Chaos' "What do you think about Mataza?" question... I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from after responding and giving my initial thoughts.

On May 31 2011 12:52 chaos13 wrote:
BC is right. You were obviously caught up in the thread, because you were reading the latest posts. If you were catching up, you'd be halfway through. You were called out for lurking and showed up almost immediately after.

On June 01 2011 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
FoS Sinani

Sinani hasn't posted...like, ANYTHING. I'm literally picking up NO scum-reads at this point, and the analysis everyone else is posting is based on meta I'm not familiar with...so I'm going to pick on an inactive until something big happens.

##Vote sinani206

On June 01 2011 05:04 sinani206 wrote:
Hello, town members. I am at school currently and will read and make a post later in the evening.
I live in LA, so the voting deadline will be during my school day. (Just a warning)
I had no access at all to a computer yesterday because I was at a family barbecue for Memorial Day.

On June 01 2011 05:05 sinani206 wrote:
Also I just saw your post Viscera.
As I explained above, I did not even realize that the game had started until just now.

On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.

That´s all there is to it from my side.

On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact.

On June 01 2011 08:21 Mataza wrote:


I am very suspicious of your list, because Sandroba is on the list.
Amber is voting Sandroba right now. I thought I bolded that part.


This list is a direct contradiction to Ambers vote.

On June 01 2011 08:30 sandroba wrote:
I dissagree with you wholeheartedly Jackal. Building a case to lynch torte de lini would boil down to he's being useless. Player's would argue that he's noob town or mafia and it would take us nowhere since it's very hard to tell those appart unless the noobtown is actually posting opinions and being useful. Vig shotting this kind of players is very useful to town, specially if you have to shoot day1 and don't have a very strong scum read on anyone else. Pushing for scummy players to be lynched is better than to vig shot them because it generates discussion and out more mafia. Vig shots are better saved for people you are very sure are mafia and for players that can't be read and are lurking/being useless.

On June 01 2011 08:39 Mataza wrote:
Also there is the logistics part of this list. Amber has last posted around 1:00 Teamliquid time.
That´s 7 hours ago.
I know you were online at least 5 hours ago in irc and also continuously from 2 hours ago to about 1 hour ago. As from time of this post, you posted the list about 1 hour ago.

Either Amber just came online just a bit before you posted the list, or the list should have been in you pm box for several hours, during which you were online and did not post it.

On June 01 2011 23:27 Mataza wrote:
Amber is back and able to post. Apparently he just didn´t get to post yesterday. Fine.
What doesn´t sit well with me is that redff immediately put FoS on me and anyone I have defended in his eyes. Or that he apologized with hazy memory of the then recent last 3 hours.

And now Kurumi is at it again >.<

On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.

That´s all there is to it from my side.

On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact.

On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
Huh, what?
I thought Amber could only bark and tailwag.

And then I question Viscera being on it. Maybe that is because I know him from last game.
But he said at one point he is picking up no scumread and he is just waiting for something big happening.

I´m not aware of a reason he should be on the fabled zodiac list, let alone Sandroba which Amber voted for.
On second thought, why the HELL is Sandroba on Ambers list?

I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff

On June 02 2011 03:50 Mataza wrote:
cba to read now, I just want to announce I strongly consider voting tnkted just to confirm his invulnerability claim.
Claiming it stops it from absorbing any kp, therefore reducing the usefulness of the role.

On June 02 2011 05:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi stfu for 10 minutes.

On June 02 2011 05:38 Jackal58 wrote:
Thank you Palmar.
Carry on Kurumi.
No offense intended.

On June 02 2011 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town Veteran Zombie Targetting BC

Your move Mafia.

On June 02 2011 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm absolved...I'm suspicious of BC, no one is giving me any reason not to be. He's my target. I guess I'm not as good at this game as you guys, but that doesn't make me scum. Yet you kill me. That's cool. But it's also not my fault.

On June 02 2011 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess I'm just a loose cannon. I'm still playing the game, but everyone wants me dead. Time's up.

On June 02 2011 06:12 chaos13 wrote:


No I'm not. I don't want people raging on him because he made a decision that he felt would kill a scum though. When you get people's emotions rising in a game it generally takes the fun out of it.

On June 02 2011 06:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Well I guess I don't really have a choice but to act like a claimed SK day1. That's cool. I have to survive to win anyway, so I'll just ally with town for however long they want to keep me around. I'm bulletproof of course, so you would have to use a lynch on me, or maybe some bomb or BP-penetrating thing.

Maybe BC needed to be the hero gotham needed instead of the one it deserved LOLOLOLOLOL

On June 02 2011 06:23 Varpulis wrote:
I've got some thoughts about tonight.

1. Vigis need to be patient. I feel that it would be very beneficial if we held off on shooting for at least the first night.
   
2. Lurkers and the others on today's lynch list need to get checked, so that's where detective roles should focus
   

I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements.

It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety?

From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request.

On June 02 2011 06:40 Mataza wrote:
Ah yes, redff is still angry at me for the pressure. Fine by me.
And apparently Viscera behaved exactly the same as in snmm2.

I however do not think we should be that liberal with our killing powers. For all I can guess town kp are limited. And even unhelfpul townies count towards the number of living townies, which are kinda important to not lose. So not senseless shooting please.

So my proposal for action is:
Jokeratlarge gogo kill chaos13. Or you´re next, obviously.
As for other night actions, if you can determine alignment go check tnkted.

Palmar, do we have a clear read on Varpulis from overfistpounding or just your analysis?

On June 02 2011 06:50 bumatlarge wrote:


Sure, all the complicated stuff was similar to BC's, I would know who he is, but couldnt reveal him or get modkilled. I would copy paste the PM, but that's against the rules.

It makes sense along with BCs role. I can kill every night, so occasionally he might protect them or what not. I also "somehow manage to avoid getting killed". I'm assuming that's a vest of sorts. My alignment is Serial Killer. So I'll target whoever you guys want me to. Lynch me if I don't. I benefit if I hit scum now since you guys mislynched spectacularly, and offed essentially an OP medic role.

On June 02 2011 06:56 Varpulis wrote:
Don't kill Chaos13
Kill Mataza

Thanks for sharing bum. I was suspicious of Chaos13 a while back, but after looking through his posts he looks clean. Don't kill him.

On June 02 2011 08:57 sinani206 wrote:
Kill me please. Something good for the town will happen.

On June 02 2011 10:09 Mig wrote:
Ok well I say we have bum kill sinani. We can lynch him if he doesn't do it and bc is potentially our best player. We shouldn't pass up the opportunity to bring him back.

On June 02 2011 11:37 chaos13 wrote:


I am going to repeat this, because there have been several who have claimed, including you and Kurumi. Granted, Kurumi's was a softclaim, but he confirmed it moments later.


DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.

DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.

IT DOES NOT HELP US.

IT HELPS MAFIA.

DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY.


I feel that required caps lock.

On June 02 2011 06:43 chaos13 wrote:At the very least my death will be better than a different townies. One of you out there knows why.

You'll still be killing a townie though.

On June 03 2011 03:18 deskscaress wrote:


quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive



also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread.

DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION

On June 03 2011 05:44 Mataza wrote:
conditional voting.

On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff

On June 03 2011 06:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Roleblocked, touche scum.

On June 03 2011 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Also, VarpuliS being the mole gives us good info on the people who protected him

On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote:
In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa.
None of them scream red to me after rereading.
Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game..

On June 01 2011 08:17 Mataza wrote:

Since its directed at me:
1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content.
2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler.
3) This is not a dating show
4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too.

On June 03 2011 06:20 Eternalmisfit wrote:




Does not compute

On June 03 2011 06:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What the hell?

Last night I shot at Sinani, because I wasn't convinced that bum was an SK and not scum, and then further that he would actually shoot sinani because it would bring back the batman.

Somehow, my shot was redirected to deskscaress.

I also wouldn't put it past scum to frame me.

Bum is scum, mafia has a redirector or busdriver, and I was framed. That's all I can think of. They didn't want sinani killed so that BC could come back, so they sent the shot somewhere else.

If you guys want me to claim, I will.

Can a roleblock stop the SK from killing?

I don't believe Bum about being roleblocked, that's too convenient, especially because I know mafia have a redirector.

On June 03 2011 06:29 Kurumi wrote:
Who does not care who wins? Who does want to live just for pleasure of it?
I am Serial Killer. If this helps town I am all for lynching me,though I'd like to get rid of that pesky roleblocker and get You KP list at least.

On June 03 2011 06:33 Mataza wrote:
I´m interested in the report of tnkted.
I mean he´s an intentionally useless lurker, I would be happy to know if he´s a scum lurker or not.


And before I forget
#fistpound Palmar

I hope you get lucky again

On June 03 2011 06:41 Mataza wrote:
Redff, you are manic.
Cut back on sugar and coffeine and then maybe I will pay attention to you again. Look at Visceras post, then look back at your own.

I am convinced you are innocent, but that doesn´t make you right.

On June 03 2011 06:51 hiro protagonist wrote:
dont dayvig wiggles. I gave him his role.

On June 03 2011 06:56 Kurumi wrote:

YES,WE'VE GOT THAT ROLEBLOCKER WHO BLOCKED ME
Nailed it.

On June 03 2011 07:04 Mig wrote:
hiro I need to hear your entire plan because you look scummy now. Kill wiggles obviously if anyone has a day shot kill him asap and we can debate about lynching sinani or bum

On June 03 2011 07:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


How am I confirmed scum? You're going to lynch another green because you don't give things thought and just blindly tunnel. I don't get how no one else is looking at this, and just accepting it blindly as true. That's what scum love to do, hide behind wrong DT checks and ride with easy lynches. Another day wasted.

On June 03 2011 07:17 Mataza wrote:
Kurumi use your brain.
Cobbler stated that it was all he was allowed to post.
So decon prolly forbade him to say "dayvig sinani so I can live"

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.
KP and misinformation are antitown in itself. Town wants detective type roles.
We have 1 unclaimed kp this night. That means if all the shooters tonight are town and they just did not FUCKING SHOOT SEMIRANDOMLY, we would have only lost 2 guys. Instead we lost 6(Thats a fifth of all our players).

If we go by lynching instead of vigishooting we get more nights for role and alignment checks. So for fucks sake don´t shoot people who are unconfirmed.

Also, please claim out killpower roles. We have 1 unconfirmed shooting, chances are that the unclaimed shot was done by scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.

Also, please claim out killpower roles

Redff, last game I answered to every little question asked to me. It cluttered up the thread. Also, I don´t feel any pressure, so you are doing it wrong. If you want to know my every little thought, vote me and ask via pm. People will be annoyed if I write even more

On June 03 2011 07:30 Mataza wrote:
Dude, you claim if you made a kp role, not who has the kp.
Common sense, use some.

You know, just like I know the guy who enable you to make a last will. He is called the notary and he can do so every night. I am sure he town and you still don´t fucking know who he is.

Town wants to kill by lynching. I also want to know misinformation roles, like framers. Look, Sandroba was artist. It´s anti town. I want to know what I´m playing against.

On June 03 2011 07:34 kitaman27 wrote:
red, based on your pm interrogations, do you have a good feeling about Amber being pro-town?

On June 03 2011 08:12 Mataza wrote:
What? Why vote wiggles?

On June 03 2011 08:56 Mataza wrote:
Nobody can confirm the Jokers roleclaim.
Seriously, why does anyone believe a selfproclaimed SK?

His own roleclaim states he is forced to do stuff, then forced to do more stuff, unable to fight back against Batman and he is night kill immune.
I would even say this is worse then my own role. And trust me, its not fantastic.
Mine is a standard role only twisted to be worse.

This cannot possibly be actually his true role power.


I will go to bed after saying this:
We have 3 confirmed Anti town players: Bum, Kurumi and Mr.Wiggles.
Bums role is probably predetermined like Batman. No one can confirm it.
Kurumi has a not yet confirmed role.
Mr Wiggles role was confirmed by Hiro Protagonist.

Now, Serial Killers can kill and then still use their role powers.
Wiggles can kill via role power.

I am not saying Wiggles is innocent,
I am saying Bum and Kurumi are about TWICE as dangerous as Wiggles.

Think about it. The day goes on for about 44 more hours.

On June 03 2011 09:34 Eternalmisfit wrote:


Mig claimed it

"hiro I need to hear your entire plan because you look scummy now. Kill wiggles obviously if anyone has a day shot kill him asap and we can debate about lynching sinani or bum"

On June 04 2011 01:06 Kurumi wrote:
GM is the Leader of Cult. He can invite people to his Pm circle. He can kill member of his circle.

On June 05 2011 00:21 Palmar wrote:
Ok I'll not shoot sinani. how about I shoot kitaman, chaos13 or redFF?

is that cool bro?

On June 01 2011 05:51 Torte de Lini wrote:


How is that scummy at all? I don't understand, to me it's just ignorance which is individual-based and not mafia or town oriented at all.

Sounds both bad mafia and bad town in my opinion. This is no different than the original inquiries to people who were just posting fluff and/or pointless shit (this could be considered one).

Bad town play, perhaps, but by default that makes one mafia?

How many mafia players are in this game anyways?

If anything I'd vote Kurumi, what with what was posted previously. It's not directed at anyone in particular and it seems to be just side-stepping after throwing up his hands in the air from his previous post:

"Sure,then do something I can discuss about."

That's all I really have to say to be honest, the rest I don't really feel warrants much input or views. I mean, you guys are extracting a lot of ideas over very little.

Guess that's even less contributory from me D:

I'm trying dammit D:<

On May 31 2011 16:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Hi!

Yeah, I've been posting everywhere else, just not here. Not quite sure what to say or do~

Like... today's Day 1 and we're just prodding and poking hoping someone slips up (somehow). What have we figured out so far? We have a favored dog who can't say or do anything (so basically we're playing 20 questions with a canine) and uh... someone quick to role-claim when under very little pressure (right?).

The rest is just people trying to lift the blankets off guys like me who have no idea what to do :B

I don't really follow or consider the ideas of posting "fluff/pointless" stuff to be anything worthwhile or notable yet, so there's not much for me to lead with or get an idea for.

Doesn't help that I barely know any of you guys.

So uh... I know this is a moot point, but how do we know the dog is on our side, can there be a neutral alignment in this game too? I might be bringing up a silly idea, but trying to throw some thing out there to consider or of worth.

On May 31 2011 08:37 Torte de Lini wrote:
Wow, this game is so damn utterly fast and confusing. Does it tone down after Day 1? I hate the idea of not being to edit, so I'll just ask all my questions in one basket.

• Does the posting speed tone down after Day 1?
  
  
• So... how do we figure out anything on Day 1 to eventually lynch someone?
  
  
• If saying fluffy and pointless things are bad, what are we intended to say?
  
  
• I like kitties better than doggies D:<!

On June 04 2011 00:40 Karshe wrote:
Torte, do you have some sort of posting restriction, or is your activity just low?

Here's the list from Rean that you were talking about, it's on Page 75.

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On June 04 2011 00:48 Torte de Lini wrote:
I have a posting restriction.

On June 03 2011 11:04 chaos13 wrote:
Torte, since you're here right now, do you think GMarshal is scummy?

On June 04 2011 00:12 Torte de Lini wrote:
Palmar: I'm so confused, so much to read @________@! Palmar, can you kill people? If so: your penetrating hit can probably kill serial killers right? Can you confirm this for me, because then you can kill Bum or Kurumi. Save us a day of lynching them, right.

In fact is Palmar here? I am having trouble finding your posts dude.

I mean I guess it's pretty obvious that Wiggles is scum... so I know who I am voting for. But what do we do about

Oh and I wrote for Sandroba if that helps you guys, but everyone knows his role already D:

I need to find that list that was made awhile back.

Chaos13: No, not really, what did he do?

On June 05 2011 05:02 bumatlarge wrote:


Why rean? Just curious.

On June 05 2011 06:37 bumatlarge wrote:
wink wink

Aw, you can at least make me feel like I might not get lynched tomorrow. I can help you guys

On June 05 2011 06:41 Palmar wrote:


found scum.

x2

On June 06 2011 02:14 Mataza wrote:
Hmmkay, there are a lot of posts from wiggles and 2 from me.
Since Amber is *grrrrrr..* -ing at me, I must have write something wrong or scummy.
I guess it´s about my position on Bum is similar to Wiggles position on Bum.

If it´s that, I stand by that.
Bum is experienced and it´s quite possible that he is indeed scum.
I don´t know if Wiggles would bus part of his team, but I am ready to assume that.
Nobody confirmed his role description yet.
If you ask me Scumatlarge is Bum.

If that position makes me scum in your eyes, so be it.

On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote:
In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa.
None of them scream red to me after rereading.
Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game..

On June 01 2011 08:17 Mataza wrote:

Since its directed at me:
1) I wouldn´t shoot. If I was compulsive, I´d shoot cthsazsa. Few posts, even less content.
2) This is hard to say. Dropbear over Cobbler.
3) This is not a dating show
4) Right now, redff. Before that, Palmar. If I could include more(seem means plural) Varpulis, Chaos13 and Kitaman 27 too.

On June 03 2011 05:44 Mataza wrote:
Just in case I die tonight:

Compare Palmar this game to Palmar in SNM2 where he was scum. His current playstyle reminds me a lot of that, including conditional voting.

On June 01 2011 08:07 Mataza wrote:
I assume this to be a lie until Amber barks personally.
##vote redff

On May 31 2011 21:44 Mataza wrote:
No problem. I don´t vote yet, because I don´t intend to vote more than once.
I looked into 5 people who gave me a strange gut feeling, and only kitaman actually kept giving me that after rereading.
Its a pretty weak case, and I consider his role and his meta behaviour to be possible explanations. I can´t truly judge his meta behaviour, but his responses are unsatisfactory so far.

That´s all there is to it from my side.

On May 31 2011 22:28 Mataza wrote:
Well Jackal, because an opinion is a fickle thing.
Every little thing you read influences it. It may change several times a day.
A vote, on the other hand, is a big commitment to me. It is my sign of dedication towards my opinion. It won´t move that easily, and therefore placing my vote should have a greater impact.

On June 03 2011 08:12 Mataza wrote:
What? Why vote wiggles?

Bum even claimed to not be town. Wiggles has 1 shot left, so he is not as dangerous as bum to keep around.

Also Bum claimed roleblock, Kurumi claimed roleblock too. Both say they are SK. Kurumi says he still could shoot. 1 of them is lying.
Bum is Joker, so I would call it possible that he can people into Harvey "TwoFace" Dent and redirect killpower as his actual role ability.
It actually fits together.

This is a way better explanation why Sinani still lives then a roleblock on a SK blocking his alignment killpower:
Bum redirected a kill on Sinani. Probably to someone random. He claims roleblock to explain why Sinani still lives.
Kurumi is actually SK and a gamethrower.
Wiggles has claimed with full role, confirmed by hero and has only 1 shot left.

To think we have Bum under control is dumb. We have no role to control his night actions and a roleblock claim is a direct contradiction to his "fellow" SK. He is more likely to be the supposed scum Mastermind.

##vote Bumatlarge
*cross finger that Sandwich came too late*

On June 02 2011 03:50 Mataza wrote:
cba to read now, I just want to announce I strongly consider voting tnkted just to confirm his invulnerability claim.

On June 03 2011 07:17 Mataza wrote:
Kurumi use your brain.
Cobbler stated that it was all he was allowed to post.
So decon prolly forbade him to say "dayvig sinani so I can live"

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.
KP and misinformation are antitown in itself. Town wants detective type roles.
We have 1 unclaimed kp this night. That means if all the shooters tonight are town and they just did not FUCKING SHOOT SEMIRANDOMLY, we would have only lost 2 guys. Instead we lost 6(Thats a fifth of all our players).

If we go by lynching instead of vigishooting we get more nights for role and alignment checks. So for fucks sake don´t shoot people who are unconfirmed.

Also, please claim out killpower roles. We have 1 unconfirmed shooting, chances are that the unclaimed shot was done by scum.

+ Show Spoiler +

Btw I´m cool with turning the Black Motherfucker back into vanilla.

Also, please claim out killpower roles

If you want to know my every little thought, vote me and ask via pm.

On June 06 2011 06:53 Palmar wrote:
shot chaos13

My bad.

On June 06 2011 07:28 Palmar wrote:
told ya, my bad.

On June 06 2011 07:33 Jackal58 wrote:
The way I see it.
Palmar He had two choices that would have seemed to have had a much better case put forward on them in Mataza and Torte de Lini. Of course both cases were made by redFF.
Palmar chooses a 3rd option. A detective type role. Why would a townie shoot a DT on night two with very little to go on? Why wouldn't he shoot one of the other two?
Because he hopes town will lynch them.
redFF has a mantra on UG about doing analysis at night. He claims he never does it because it gives scum a target. Why are you doing the one thing you claim you never do red?
If in 24 hours when Mataza blows up he flips gree I would highly recommend lynching red.
If anybody bumps Palmar I will look very dimly upon you.



Whoever wrote my role needs their ass kicked.

On June 06 2011 07:38 Mataza wrote:
FoS Palmar.
He is a known killpower role and uses flimsy reasoning to kill someone he ever accused before.

I´ve got enough of this random shooting.
Whoever shoots someone on gut feeling should be shot by someone else.

Before people started shooting, we were winning :thumbs
Now after all the shooting, we are losing


Anyone who thinks killpower roles are going to save us this game are stupid
If you really must shoot, try shooting the people who claim to be invulnerable like Tnkted or Bum.
If they die, they lied. If they don´t die, they are telling the truth. It´s win - win


Do you really want to keep all this killpower around? We went from 33 people down to 25 in one night.
I will die halfway into this day so we are at 20 people left. And we have exactly 1 hit yet, Wiggles.
1 Hit in 13 dead people is awful. It´s beyond awful
And that even though we know 2 other targets that are guaranteed to not be green: Kurumi and Bum


Do you really want to not tell if you made a killpower role? The next one lying dead might be *you*.

On June 06 2011 08:37 Palmar wrote:
So, we have yet to have anyone claim they created a role that can bus people.

Can we please confirm it? Cause shooting as the town wishes is much easier when I can be sure I won't be redirected.

On June 06 2011 08:41 Pandain wrote:
I agree

On June 06 2011 08:42 Palmar wrote:
Don't worry, I need 4 fistpounds to shoot, so I don't see it happening

But while we don't know if there is a bus role, I can't shoot anyone I claim to shoot. How about you tell me redFF, who, aside from torte and bum, is scum?

On June 06 2011 08:53 Palmar wrote:
Again, my anlysis can befound here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9525385

I was wrong on some points (chaos13, varpulis) I was right on some points (bum really did not want to shoot varpulis).

Node got killed, we still don't know anything about tnkted.

Mataza is still a weird one for me, I have no idea, but I have no problem lynching or shooting him.

I think we should get rid of kurumi as fast as possible, he's no good for the town. Obviously I was wrong in my analysis, so I'm getting right back to the drawing board. I didn't feel the discussion during day2 added much value, as Wiggles was such a definite lynch.

I will go back through day 2 and the night, to see if I can pick something out.

On June 06 2011 09:40 Eternalmisfit wrote:
So we cannot be sure in any way that Palmar is saying the truth or lying. That's what you are saying. In that case, is it good to give him a free KP in case if he is lying or better playing it safe and not blindly believing him?

On June 06 2011 13:03 Cthsazsa wrote:
EBWOP:
In fact, I may have to go back and find who all was buying Wiggle's BS.
There's probably a connection between the two.

On June 07 2011 06:43 Karshe wrote:
Actually, I'll be more specific about my role since I feel like the mafia have higher priority targets tonight.

I do have KP and I am the reason that Mataza has a bomb strapped to him. I am able to plant a bomb at night and they take 48 hours (after the next lynch) to detonate. I don't feel at risk claiming since there are others who have stronger KP than I do.

On Night 1 I attemped to plant a bomb on Varpulis, but when I arrived he was already dead (per our host) and I got my bomb refunded back to me. I don't know if this counts as "visiting" him, but I asked Dec if I lost my bomb and he said no, I kept it since my target had already been killed. I started with 2 bombs and only have 1 left now (after Mataza).

"Why Mataza?" I felt like Bum is an easy lynch, and I felt confident that Torte is scum and will be dying soon. I wanted to target another person I felt to be scum.

I chose someone's role who is still alive and hasn't claimed yet. Been waiting for them to claim to see if they're truthful.

On June 07 2011 11:16 tnkted wrote:
Ok, Sorry for lurking everyone. I just got hired at USbank (!!!!!) as an intern and today was my first day. Yesterday was my bro's grad party, and tomorrow I'm going to bonnaroooooooo so I'm requesting a replacement from decon.

Regarding Palmar: He exaggerated his role in the beginning of the game. I caught some references while I skimmed through the thread to him claiming his real role, but if he didn't this is what it was:

He is the Bro of Destiny. He has no posting restriction (lol, the brostyle was all his idea). He needs to get people to #fistpound him in thread. If he gets 2, he gets a kill. If he gets 4, he gets an extra life at night. 6 and he needs to be triplestacked, etc.

Jackal's post about my role is correct. I'm not... heh... actually invulnerable. I'm just lynchproof. I have to vote for somebody that is dead and day1 I had to vote for someone who wasn't playing. I could have voted for Micky Mouse and it would have counted.

Now, before I leave you guys () here are my thoughts on people you need to kill and people you need to keep alive:

Kill:
Torte de Lini for fakeclaiming that he blox GM (the tracker claimed that he watched GM and didn't see anyone visit the night GM claimed he was blox)
GM for fakeclaiming that he was blox
Redff1 for revealing he knew too much about the fakeblox (ie, that other people were gonna fakeclaim blox)
Bumatlarge

That's also roughly the order you should do, although you might wanna lynch GM first so he doesn't kill the most important role in the mason circle.

Keep alive:
Jackal is probably the smartest person left alive right now, medics should protect him or he should be bussed out of harms way, etc.
Palmar is on a lot of people's shit lists right now for his bad aim but IMO he is pretty valuable to town; theres a reason I created this role. Sure, its a really really great mafia role but its also absolutely fucking hilarious and I'm a genius for creating it. Also in the hands of a good town its like an invincible vig. He should be top of the DT check list, and if he passes you guys can use him like an extra lynch.

And whoever is giving out smiley faces I want to know whats up with that. So far we have Jackal and Bum and Mataza posting them and none of the three have revealed why. Could we be looking at a mason circle? IDK.

GL everyone, and sorry I can't keep playing... I'd love to continue my strategy I was pursuing but bonnaroo beckons and I need to go watch the Arcade Fire rock my sox off.

PEACE

On June 08 2011 02:50 Cthsazsa wrote:


Well no shit, that plan means you'll get to live past tonight.
Horrible plan.

On June 08 2011 03:24 bumatlarge wrote:
OH SHIT PALMAR IS ASSASIN?

Oh dear god please town do me a favor and lynch him and let me live one more night. I will do anything, I will analyze anyone you want completely. I've never went against town wishes this whole game and palmar has. No we are both confirmed anti-town, give me the chance please.

On June 08 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
Ignore posts from:
RedFF
TDL
Bumatlarge
Palmar
They're scum. Everything they say is just pile of wifom/lies/aliens

On June 08 2011 03:41 Mataza wrote:
You forgot to put yourself on the list Kurumi

On June 08 2011 03:44 Mataza wrote:
I did, remember?
You scored my only scumread, so to speak you made the highscore.

On June 08 2011 04:00 Mataza wrote:
Your defense day 1 was crap, your claim day1 was crap.
Actually your claim could have had a purpose
1. Claim "wtf is this shit, its useless", so people think you are just dense
2. get town cred by repeatingly playing dense,
3. Use your PM ability to get roleclaim from chaos13
4. "I have info, but I can´t say where I got it from" [green[No shit sherlock, you can PM people, you told us
5. Your contact drops dead, luckily Palmar claimed it.
6. PM Rean, get roleclaim from him

Now if Rean drops dead soon, I think I can make out a pattern. But who do you bus then?
-> Doesn´t matter, the lynching queue is 3 days long.


Aside from that, you have been extra unhelpful this game. If I had the time left, I would consider going back to find all the times you derailed the thread.
Alas, my minutes are numbered

:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7:7

On June 08 2011 05:08 Jackal58 wrote:
Other than redFF's continued insistence that TdL is scum what do we have on him?

I'm basing my assumption that he may be scum on the premise that Decon assigned alignments based upon roles. But we don't know what his role actually does.

On June 08 2011 05:12 Mig wrote:
So everyone is just going to completely ignore the fact that palmar likely didn't know the moles role before killing him? When I said he wouldn't want to kill the mole everyone argued well Varps role was powerful obv they killed him.

A bunch of people bandwagoned onto palmar last minute and are now choosing to ignore new information which goes against their previous reasoning.

On June 08 2011 05:16 Kurumi wrote:

Oh,then Red is scum

On June 08 2011 06:02 Mataza wrote:
Redff, I wrote a huge answer you dipshit.
You simply ignore it again?

I am bad

On June 08 2011 05:54 redFF wrote:
no, i should not be killed immediately lol.

When Palmar flips town(because i am sure he will) here is scum team
bumatlarge, Torte De lini, eternalmisfit, Mataza.

Here's why
Bumatlarge-fairly obvious shouldn't have to explain even if palmar flips scum bum is still mafia.

Torte De Lini- Huge analysis on him by me explains. Lurking, posting useless shit with the small post amount he is allowed, and stuff i won't go into.

Eternalmisfit-the main force behind this mass voteswitch, other reasons i cant go into.

Mataza- Not really sure, since he has been bombed his actions seem a lot more town-like to me but i dunno. Mafia or really bad non-contributing town. His fos on me was laughable and he didnt even respond to anything i said about how scummy he was.

There GG mafia.
.

On June 08 2011 06:10 Eternalmisfit wrote:


Nice list.

redFF = wrong about Mataza makes him town
EM = wrong about Palmar makes him scum

On June 08 2011 06:15 Mataza wrote:
Roflmao

On June 08 2011 07:01 Mig wrote:
Also I forgot karsh.

I really don't understand why Kurumi voted palmar when you have been fighting with bum the entire game but hopefully he will die tonight because of GM. If he doesn't I would be very suspicious of both of them.

People need to be especially suspicious of jackal. He raged early game about killing useless townies then right before we kill palmar he quotes a post saying if palmar flips red it makes everything easier, great reasoning....... Kita called jackal scum before he died and jackal is a strong player. I would expect him to be playing more aggressively, making better decisions and actually help the town. He hasn't done any of those things.

On June 09 2011 06:05 Eternalmisfit wrote:


Since you and a couple others were asking vigi-hits on me last night. Or should I dig up those post for you?

On June 09 2011 06:17 Rean wrote:
Lalala. Time to play my hand I suppose.

I'm the psychic. I can switch between alignment checks and votechecks. There's limitations to this to prevent it from being overpowered, but i'm not outing those. The important things are:

- There was one mafia on the VisceraEyes lynch day1.
- Torte de Lini is mafia.
- There were 2 mafia on the Palmar lynch.
- Last night, I was shot and saved.