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I have an idea for a role, but it's useless if the players in the game know that the role is a possibility. | ||
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On May 29 2011 22:29 Mataza wrote: Ah the irony. No one from the last noobminimafia joined the noob XL game, but instead this :D Well after playing that noobminimafia I'd rather not play with people who just sit on their ass and do nothing again. So I'm avoiding it. | ||
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Don't lynch a bro for a bad plan though. Also, I think you need to chill a bit with claiming who wrote each role. I dunnoh how that'd be good for town, cause if someone is lying he can be called out on it anyway. Let's just chill a bit, and see where this takes us. Can I get a brofist! #Fistpound: GMarshal | ||
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For now I think we oughta just treat this like a full game of vanillas v vanillas, and base our shit on analysis. I know I'd be screwing my guy over royally if I disclosed the nature of the role I designed for him, but only if he's fellow town. So yeah man... guess we just gotta roll with analysis. | ||
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cause I got love for everyone, don't worry 'bout man. #Fistpound: Node | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:48 Varpulis wrote: you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. Naw man, knowing the role setup is great for maf, cause they got a list of which of those roles are theirs... so those guys just gotta cherrypick the dangerous roles and try to sniff them out. Let's not surrender a role list right away. | ||
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Amber bro, can I get a pawpound? #pawpound: Amber[LighT] I think ya better start looking around for the real scum, those guys ain't gonna reveal themselves, if we got some DT's then checking Amber is a pretty damn great idea, because he seems restricted to communication... I see you bros doin' some lists and stuff, well I aint old around the blocks here, new kid in town, but I can tell ya that that most of the SNMMII crew is half decent, but keep discussion going, just don't go all role-mad on a bro, cause that aint gettin' us nowhere. | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:22 tnkted wrote: I don't think amber can #fistpound, palmer... he can't write anything but dogtalk remember? For now, lets all stop #fistpounding. We don't know what palmer's role is, and if it has something to do with the poundage he's been getting, lets keep it as low as we can get it. yo bro, that's why I asked for a #pawpound from the dog. I spoke with Dec and he was down with pawpounds. Doggy needs a little love too man. And don' worry 'bout that stuff man, there ain't no OP role in the game, so fistpounding me aint gonna kill you. While I'm at it tnkted bro, can I get a fist from you? #Fistpound tnkted | ||
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Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on. b) Wait to see how things play out. I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote: This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious. I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing. Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though. Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on. He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: ...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: -unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep -mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game: On May 31 2011 05:23 Varpulis wrote: I'm guessing something to do with either an alignment switch or an alternative win condition. On May 31 2011 05:35 Varpulis wrote: I think that we should claim not who we designed the role for, but what purpose the role has. This doesn't put the person with the role in any danger, and gives us a rough idea of what we have to work with. It could be as simple as [ ] KP [ ] Information [ ] survivability (extra lives) [ ] unlisted check all that apply. That's vague enough that nobody should be able to tell that they got the role that you're pointing out, but specific enough to be useful. I for one would like to know how many roles with DTesque powers there are. thoughts? Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man... On May 31 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote: My plan could get fucked up bigtime by scum fake claiming, just like any other. I think that it's a better alternative to sandroba's plan, which I don't like. Why don't we ditch them both? Neither is very good, I think. Later on, they could be more useful. Until crazy shit starts happening, i'm going to treat this like we're all vanilla, like Palmar suggested. Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch. Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit. And then man, the worst of all... On May 31 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: I'm always a bit lost day 1, bum. About the Zodiac lists: At this point they just seem to be lists of strong vets, and I don't know you guys well enough to make an informed list. BC has looked pro-town, as have you. Not really sure who else. Sandroba, maybe. he's proven to be a good player, and his posts have been mostly good, barring the claiming plan. I'd like to know why specifically kita is voting for me. Is it because of my bad posting? I'll try to work on that. Specifically, I'm going to be quiet, because I'm not really sure what to do. what does NoC stand for? A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up. No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum. | ||
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I don't see a problem with a claim, but if non-scum created his role and he's lying in an anti-town way, that shit better get smacked right away. Call the bullshit if this role aint true. But while no one calls you, I'm gonna assume you're cool. Can I get a fistpound bro? #Fistpound: redFF | ||
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Amber bro, you got me hangin' on that #pawpound, don't leave me | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey Palmar remember this post? What made you change your mind about "cutting slack"? On it's own, a bad plan aint suspicious, it's only when coupled with all that other shit he's been pulling, the indecisiveness, the excuses and apologies, that I realized he should be checked. You gotta be a dummy if you think my role has nothin' to do with the fistbumps, obviously they're a part of it yo. I aint going to roleclaim, but here imma be honest about some things. - Fistpounds are self-only, they do not affect the bro doing the pounding - I need them fistbumps to perform ma role, I really need at least one more - don't read anythin' into which people I'm trying to bump me, and feel free to give me a fistbump without me initiating it. Now yo all of course not gonna believe a bro is pro-town, but if you do, I could really use a fistbump more. So can I get a fistbump for killin' you night 1 in snmm2 Karshe? #fistpound karshe | ||
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thanks man! | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD. Speaking of lynches I'm a little concerned with the group of people who are voting Varpulis. I haven't played a game with him so if this is a meta vote I'd love an explanation. Otherwise I haven't seen him do anything overtly scummy. I'm personally going to wait a bit before placing a vote. I have some suspects but I'm going to see how they act a little longer + read the thread again before persuing them. This most definitely is a meta vote meapak bro, just check my analysis, and I stand by that shit. check it: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 08:23 Palmar wrote: Woah, that bro sure got some explainin' to do. Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on. b) Wait to see how things play out. I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote: This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious. I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing. Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though. Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on. He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: ...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: -unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep -mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game: Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man... Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch. Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit. And then man, the worst of all... A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up. No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum. I aint backin' down until I see some good contribution and less crap from that bitch. #Fistpound: Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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For the worst constructed post, ever. | ||
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On May 31 2011 20:46 Kurumi wrote: I thought You got enough fistpounds. I always need more bro, I give love, and I take love. Now smash that fist like you mean it man. | ||
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Don't worry 'bout me mataza bro, I got this. Imma get that scumbag Varpulis lynched, cause he aint up to no good. | ||
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I still gotta see a very good point against lynching Varpulis, he's not being baller like he was in his last game, he's being useless and apologetic. I aint even gonna ask a bitch for a fistpound cause I don't fistpound mafia. Gimme a good argument for not killing him, and I'll back off, but so far there aint nothing he or others have said that clears his suspicion, and worst of all, he's useless on top of being scummy. No really, I don't fistpound mafia, I lynch mafia. | ||
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Luck you dodged it bro, gotta be careful with those words. On May 31 2011 21:45 bumatlarge wrote: @kurumi whatever you say boy wonder, but kita isn't the scummiest person. That would be mr slink-away tnkted Anyway we're heading into role discussions again yo, we gotta get 'em mafia to the gallows. And don't write 4 analyses at once dropbear, that's just plain silly and spreads attention, gotta keep it real and simple bro. Keep puttin' pressure on people. | ||
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Like your analysis better than almost anyone's right now. Chaos13 certainly feels weird, and sandroba aint got nothing. Man, you guys gotta shape the fuck up, y'all being less useful than doggie here. Good dog *throws Amber[LighT] a treat* | ||
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#Fistpound Eternalmisfit | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:52 DropBear wrote: Varpulis, who tried to alter the plan is then jumped on next. He decides to "withdraw" and is immediately jumped on by kita and Palmar. Their plans might not be good ones but it doesn't make them Mafia. They are just trying to help, if poorly. Redtooth in XXXIX was an example of that. Their contributions are much larger than several players so far, even if they have gone quiet recently. Yo bro, I just gotta clarify this shit. I aint voting on Varpulis based on his plan, everyone can make a bad plan man. If you actually bothered to read my analysis, I'm voting for him on blatant personality change from his last game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186¤tpage=23#455 get yo facts strait bro, I only mention the plan as supplemental to my analysis, the main reason that bitch gonna get hanged is he's acting like a pussy. Let's see it done fellas #Fistpound DropBear | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:59 tnkted wrote: We don't know what the fistpounds do. I think four is enough for palmar for now. Nobody else needs to fistpound. Palmar, stop asking for them. Dude, not cool, and I got six man I aint no scum. Go back, read my analysis on Varpulis | ||
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Here's the problem with it man, look at this shit. If everyone claims who they selected the role for, the mafia will know who created their roles. That means they can kill anyone who created their role, and then claim whatever role they want, and we can't call bullshit on it. Do you feel me bro? If we claim who we created them roles for, mafia can create a scenario where we can't call their bluff, and thus, they have an advantage. Better just chill, and analyse bro. I hope you get it now, gimme that fist bro. #Facepound Sandroba | ||
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although, a facepound might be in order cause you're being a bit thick. | ||
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I don't think you're maf bro, I'm getting genuine town vibe from ya. Let's get crackin' | ||
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Get me bro? | ||
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On June 01 2011 08:54 prplhz wrote: @sandroba We read the post. We all saw the fluff. You are posting even more fluff by stating the obvious. This post is even more fluff. Stop stating the obvious. Please. Also this guy is not scum, he ended his post with "KISSES xx". COME ON. You're posting more fluff by posting fluff about him posting fluff. bro. | ||
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Nah, I don't like the sound of what's going on at all. Tackster is useless, but he's better taken care of by a bullet, cause I think he's a lazy-ass townie. And I don't like the Sandroba train either, I'm like... not gettin' it. I still like my Varpulis read over everything else, but of the people that are getting voted atm, I'd love to see more heat on VisEyes and tnkted. VisEyes is very wishywashy in his approach, while last game he was analyticial and useful. tnkted says he's not afraid of dying, so let's make a bitch stand up to those words. I have no idea how I'm not gettin' any support on my Varpulis hunch, but I guess a bros gotta do what a bros gotta do. Imma switch my vote over to VisEyes. ##Unvote Varpulis ##Vote VisceraEyes Oh, and vigis: Torte and Tackster are good targets, both useless and we know a bunch o' fellas like voting them, gives info. Always better to shoot useless people that have been talked about than useless people that haven't been talked about. Peace Oh, and DropBear, your list on ma fistpounds is so useful, cause I cba counting them myself, wanna keep it up to date for me? I'll let you hang out with me and all... Got love for everyone... | ||
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you're scum bro. | ||
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Also because your pm from dec said so. Good enough reasoning for me bro. | ||
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he's scum bro. | ||
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Varpulis, tnkted and chaos13 can be taken care of by vigis | ||
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I dunno bro, he's just giving me maf vibes all around. | ||
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VisEyes wasn't getting enough on him anyway. Who wants to check out a bro and see if tnkted really won't hang? That'd be funny as hell. ##Vote tnkted | ||
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I just don't want sandroba or tack hanging, VisEyes and tnkted are good for me. | ||
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Varpulis, you better fucking stick a vote on VisEyes. | ||
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ye, cause I'm awesome and you're spammer. get me bro? Now help me lynch VisEyes so we can move on. | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:51 stefftastiq wrote: @Palmar you have no other reasons for chaos being scum than your feeling? What about ViscEyes - hes playing pretty similar to the noobgame - acting all crazy and shit - what do you think? You see bro, I got this. Chaos13 is scum. Someone shoot him tonight. Someone check Varpulis during the night. Someone shoot Mataza and Kurumi just to shut them up. I'll give you an analysis on Chaos13 tonight or something. Don't you worry, I got this bro. | ||
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Here's a list of targets for night 1: DT check: Node, Jackal58 Kill: Varpulis, Mataza, Chaos13, Kurumi. Jackal seems pro town, I want him cleared so I can work with him. Node is suspicious, but he gives a vibe of a pretty good player. I think that bro really needs to be confirmed on or off. We kill Varpulis and Chaos13 cause they're scum. We kill Mataza and Kurumi to shut them up. I suggest we ask Bumatlarge to kill Mataza. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:23 Kurumi wrote: "To shut them up" What? Why? And why the heck tnkted is not on the dt list? Good point, check tnkted too. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:28 Node wrote: Also, I really really dislike that tnkted's defense amounts to, "you can't lynch me, nyah nyah". But can he survive night hits? I'm going to advocate a vigi hit on him until he proves his worth. Why not just DT check him. I wanted to lynch him, but wasting a vigi hit on him is kinda... meh. We got plenty of targets to shoot. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:29 chaos13 wrote: Palmar, the only reason that you've given for me being scum is that you "get a bad vibe". Not satisfactory, especially for a vigi kill. u mad bro? | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:43 chaos13 wrote: It worries me that so many of you are accepting Palmar's verdict of me being scum without him providing any evidence of it. Seriously town, step up your game a bit. At the very least my death will be better than a different townies. One of you out there knows why. You'll still be killing a townie though. You have a funny hat and a cigar, and you're holding a submachine gun. There, my analysis. Kill him please. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:53 redFF wrote: Kill:Mataza sorry palmar we have no reason to trust you while a kill on mataza is a kill on analysis and scummy behavior, a kill on chaos is a trusting you for no reason. Post a reason to kill him bro. don't worry bro, I will. I'm just trolling him, will provide analysis well before daybreak, so vigis, don't jump to your targets. I can't get fistpounded in the night btw, so do it tomorrow please. And I'm fine with killing Mataza, I'm assuming we have more than 1 vigi type role. | ||
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Can you help me out on those guys, Node, Bum, Varp, Chaos13? I'll take a look at Chaos13, can you go analyse bum or node? Also, now I want bum to kill Varpulis. They agree on mataza, so let's have bum kill the other, that way we can be sure Bum is cool with working with town. Someone else can take care of Mataza. Bumatlarge: Please kill Varpulis Check it people, those bitches won't know what's up. | ||
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peace out town. | ||
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The bro's guide to night 1, tl;dr version. Table of contents: 1. Varpulis is scum 2. Why Bumatlarge should kill Varpulis 3. Chaos13 is scum 4. Why node needs to be checked. 5. Why tnkted needs to be checked. 6. Mataza: the road to insanity ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Varpulis is scum Allright, let's do this. Varpulis didn't have the best start of the game, me being awesome led to me creating a comprehensive analysis of him. Here's a link to it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9490283 But of course the bitch tried to fix his shit, so let's have a look at what he got going now. Also, note that he has almost as many posts before my analysis and after it, even though much more time passed. He has a lot of posts (can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Varpulis&gb=date ) but almost none of it got any content. I aint gonna be taking spam for contribution. That just aint how things work around here bro. Here are some examples of his posting. On May 31 2011 09:11 Varpulis wrote: We're not allowed to claim what role we picked & who we picked it for until day 2, the host said. We can check RedFF's role easily though, by asking Amber. Unless they're both mafia, it'll be accurate. Amber, is RedFF pming you? Not contributing. On May 31 2011 09:48 Varpulis wrote: Who is this Vamp person and why is everybody voting for him? On-topic, I think that we should wait a day or two before lynching our communal pet. He most likely has a night ability, so we might as well keep him around. We shouldn't be discussing just me and tnkted. There are other players too! Cthsazsa, what do you think of the current situation, apart from RedFF & amber? More questions, not contributing. On May 31 2011 13:19 Varpulis wrote: I'm going to sleep soon, but before then, a handy list of players who aren't contributing, for later reference.
There are a bunch of people who haven't contributed much, but these guys haven't contributed at all, really. All of them need to tell us what they're thinking and why. Posting once in a while saying "i'm here" doesn't make you any more helpful. Any additions/changes to the list? I probably missed something. Oh, thanks a bunch bro, you made a list of inactives. What an astounding contribution to the thread. On June 01 2011 06:49 Varpulis wrote: Claims are bad. We already discussed this, didn't we? Both sandroba's idea and mine got shot down fast because claiming plans either benefit the mafia or are too easily manipulated. I'm back, and feeling slightly more assertive. Nobody fistbump Palmar. We still have no clue what it does, and he seems to have plenty already. Will make an actually substantial post as soon as I'm fully caught up. Oh wait, you gonna fix your posting now bro? Why didn't you start already, instead of pointing out useless shit, not contributing and claiming you're "feeling more assertive". Anyway, here's his claim to fame: On June 01 2011 09:00 Varpulis wrote: scratch tnkted. Most of the "scumtells" i found were just him doing weird shit like telling people not to fistpound Palmar then doing it himself, or voting for Coag. In my searches for scummy tnkted posts, however, I found somebody worth looking at. Rean I'm going to summarize what he's been doing in 4 words, for those of you who don't seem to like reading. blending in and lurking. He's been making posts, sure, but has yet to make any contributions of note, or any effort to do so. His constructive, useful posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:33 Rean wrote: Oh yes, genius idea, let's tell mafia who they should shoot so they can get away with fake-claiming ANYTHING THEY CAN IMAGINE. shooting down a terrible plan, fine. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 06:57 Rean wrote: Sigh. This is silly. The dog appears to be some kind of guard dog, so i'm guessing he acts like a watcher/tracker or something like that. Useful later on, a waste of time for now. As for the LAL plan: no. You lynch people when there is a good reason to do so, not simply because you lied. There could be many reasons that town would be lying, and blindly lynching them for it is not a good idea. The list is unneccesary. People should be capable of deciding for themself who is worth protecting or inspecting, you don't need someone holding your hand telling you what to do. Oh, and props for whoever thought up the dog role, that's just hilarious. This is less fine. Makes assumptions, and tells us that organization is bad. The only good part in this post is the LAL opinion. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 22:55 Rean wrote: It's irrelevant how long they have been playing, they have to be contributing. I have been doing so this game, don't see him doing anything that's not "sup guys dont mind me im a newbie ^^". As for thoughts on other players: tnkted is indeed acting weird but it seems to be something with his role providing him protection from being lynched that triggers this behavior. Some others players (barundar/torte/kenpachi/others i cant remember atm) are lurking/being useless in general. Not good. This was his response to being called out for lurking. Claiming contributions, defending tnkted with assumptions, then listing other lurkers and saying that they're bad. Bad post, not helpful. Based off of this alone, I'd be willing to start pressuring Rean, but there's more. he decides to vote for Coag (who is not playing) because he thinks that tnkted has even more conjectured powers, and that it'd be interesting to see what happens. Don't do this, please. Oh yeah, and this most recent string of posts discussing Kurumi's posting style. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Am I the only one that's being seriously disturbed by the fact that Kurumi is consistently typing You with a capital letter? On June 01 2011 06:13 Rean wrote: ebwop: i just checked the thread again, there's not a single you, your or you're that doesn't have the capital Y. That is VERY weird. I'd guess his role forces him to talk like that for some reason, but i'm not sure what that'd be :/ On June 01 2011 06:28 Rean wrote: Okay, looking back at XXXIX it seems like he just has a bad understanding of when to use capital letters. Weird, but not scummy. Let's dismiss it for now. Waste of our time and just spamming the thread. Don't do this either. I like how he checks through the thread to see Kurumi's posting style, not to find scum. In conclusion: Rean needs to be more helpful and Pro-town. He has no excuse not to, unlike Torte(who also needs to step up his game). I'm sticking a vote on him until he does. This analysis is weak. It's certainly valid, but really. You call that being assertive? I almost read that "In conclusion" part out loud in an old woman's voice. How about you grow some balls and fucking accuse whoever you're after. Don't be so damn passive. I mean, I could write almost the same shit about 10 people in the thread. He even does one of them for me: On June 01 2011 10:18 Varpulis wrote: For good measure... Tackster I don't like people who pretend to be helpful. Tackster is doing just that. He has 3 posts. In this situation, a post-by-post analysis should suffice. Post 1: States the obvious and says what everybody else has been saying, and reminds us that he's playing. ...*great post* /sarcasm Monster post of him rambling on about theories and vague possibilities. This really says nothing at all, and just seems to be a big post for the sake of being a big post. Tackster is capable of being very active and helpful, and his lack of contributions makes me suspicious. Hence, a vote! Yeah, it's kinda ok, but it's just too vague. Here's Varpulis saying some more obvious shit: On June 01 2011 12:51 Varpulis wrote: No. This is just a waste of time. Guess who is guilty of thread derailment? Question 2 looks like a medic looking for advice or scum wanting to know who to hit. Question 3 has been discussed to death, and questions 4-7 are moderately scummy at best. I guess you should be taking note of me now? He also tells Mataza why his shit is all stupid a few times, which is fine, considering Mataza's shit is generally quite silly. And finally he switches to VisEyes for very shitty reasoning: On June 02 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote: I'm on the fence about VisceraEyes. Either he's scum and doing a poor job of it or town and doing a terrible job of it. I'm not going to go post by post because I don't have time to make a well organized post (20 min till lynch, want to give people time to respond), but in bullet point form:
There may be more, but I'm in a hurry. Thoughts? At this point, he seems more scummy to me than Tackster, if Tackster agrees to step it up if we don't lynch him. Don't let this guy get away guys. He's still the most scummy person we got in this town. -------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Why Bumatlarge should shoot Varpulis How cool is it to outsource the problems bros! Fuck yeah let's do it. We aint got no proof that Bumatlarge isn't some damn mafia scum, so I wanna roll with him shooting Varpulis. Varpulis is at best a really bad and useless townie (although jackal58 is kinda right about no townie being useless), but I doubt him, he's a bitch, a non-baller and a scum. So let's get Bumatlarge to work against his will: On June 02 2011 06:52 bumatlarge wrote: Get 8 people to say Kill: chaose13, then I will. This means he DOESN'T want to kill chaos, he knows I won't get the support fast enough, clever bro. He also seems to have no problem killing Mataza. Show your support to this idea using this: Bumatlarge: Kill Varpulis And don't worry about Bum, other assassins will take care of that bro. But we must get him to pound Varpulis's face into the ground to prove he's not scum himself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Why Chaos13 is scum Here's the thing, I started thinking chaos13 was a cool bro, worthy of keeping around because he made sound calls like this: On May 31 2011 05:31 chaos13 wrote: 1. This will not help us clear up confusion 2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone. 3. Do not mass roleclaim. 4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim. But let's look at some more stuff by him. I like people who call bullshit, but people who abuse lurkers and newbies to call bullshit on everything to gain town credit are useless. Just read through his damn post history... it's a disaster. First thing I noticed: Why do you care... the bro's got like 2 votes on him. Instead of complaining how about contributing your own analysis. All your posts up until this point aint got nothing in them except directions on how to play, not actually playing. On May 31 2011 08:17 chaos13 wrote: I haven't seen nearly enough to convince me to vote Varpulis. I also don't see how everyone is so sure of BC's pro-towniness. It doesn't look like he is going much beyond what anyone else is doing. That's not to say I think he is scum, I just do not feel comfortable being too lax and convincing myself he is town right from the get-go. On May 31 2011 08:30 chaos13 wrote: I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list. Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well. More defenses. If you think he's town, you ignore me, and provide a better alternative. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and vaguely, and very damn carefully claim you're kinda suspicious-y. Stop being useless, man up and give me something to work with if you don't want me to lynch Varpulis On May 31 2011 08:31 chaos13 wrote: And he has a decent defense, so far at least. Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal? Good post bro. On May 31 2011 09:26 chaos13 wrote: redFF, I have no idea why you would have claimed that. From what you posted, you do not lynch that player, you just get to PM the player you put your vote on. You could have just done it and moved on. This leads me to think you might be scum. redFF scum, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it. -redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2 redFF scum, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue redFF town, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however. -redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie. redFF town, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly So, to sum up my thoughts: 1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow. 2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role. 3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them. yay, you get logic. hi5 bro. Everyone knew this, stop posting fluff. nice contradiction bro. This is still less scummy than most things you've done in the thread. On May 31 2011 10:43 chaos13 wrote: tnkted, what reason do you have for your vote on Coagulation? Questions, useless one liners and pointing out the obvious is almost the entire thing chaos13 has done this game. Here's the best analysis in the game by jackal: On May 31 2011 22:19 chaos13 wrote: GMarshal, please grace us with your thoughts on varpulis and kitaman27. Do you think they are both scum, just one of them, or none? Why? Between the two, who appears to be more scummy, and why? While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far. This is your biggest piece of analysis so far: Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here? The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them. Nice job calling out GM, at least he's not spamming the thread like you are. thing is, you haven't contributed for shit either. You're fluff-posting, that's damn sure, but nothing you say is of any real value to this game in particular. On June 01 2011 10:17 chaos13 wrote: I think Tackster is definitely a good candidate for a lynch. He lurks, posts some brief thoughts that don't really give away much information, and then provides another excuse for leaving again. I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players. Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching. As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful. kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal? Stop asking questions and being useless. Seriously, I aint gonna go through more of his shit and quote it here. Do it yourselves. This guy hasn't contributed shit to the game, he's posting oneliners, fluff, advice on how to play, going after lurkers and stating obvious shit. This guy is a scum trying to be pro town. Can we please just agree on it? I don't mind, shoot him or check him, but this bro aint no good guy. ------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Why Node needs to be checked. I'll be brief. Node is a clever bro, but he's making some weird calls this game. I don't feel it's quite right, so I'd like him cleared so I can work with him. If any cop can clear Node he should claim in the thread, and call him cleared, cause that bro is very useful as town, but he's also not acting as good as I'd expect. So yeah, please clear him, he'll sure love to be cleared himself. Unless.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 Why tnkted needs to be checked. Cause he claimed an invulnerable role. Let's just check him and make sure. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Mataza: the road to insanity Righto, this bro sometimes posts stupid shit. I was mafia in SNMMII and his silly ideas and bad posting helped me convince the town that he needed to be lynched. I'm not about to make the same mistake. Mataza is in his own words "a gambler", and he likes taking risks. Those risks are generally pretty damn insane. I prefer ignore Mataza over killing him. He's certainly hardly worth a DT check or a kill tonight. 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On June 02 2011 18:05 Mataza wrote: Bum: Kill Sinani If anyone has a role that can reveal who visits Sinani tonight, do that. The point is, even if Bloodycobbler comes back and we kill Bum and Cobbler is only a vanilla townie, we should still do it. Town play happens during day and you don´t need a role for it. In other words, Bloodycobbler as Vanilla town is still a bigger help than most other townies. Make it happen, Bum. Also, while we´re here. @Chaos13 Is it accurate that you have a funny hat a cigar and a submachine gun? If your answer is no then Palmar is imho lying about his rolecheckpower. And that would mean we still don´t know what Palmar fistpound power does. To quote Karshe, he could have a brofistdeathray for all we know. Just to note, I never said I could rolecheck anyone, you're just insane bro. I can't fucking rolecheck, now help yourself and stop posting. | ||
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We think sinani is town, so now bum shoots him without having to give any information about his alignment, I'm not buying this shit. Tell a bitch to shoot Varpulis. | ||
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On June 03 2011 00:13 redFF wrote: Sinani is not confirmed townie...We are making bum shoot him because if sinani is lying we only lose an sk and not a town player. Vigs should shoot MAtaza or Varpulis imo. So yeah, we clearly don't agree. I think sinani is telling the truth, and him getting shot by bum is just... meh. I'm suspicious of bumatlarge, so I want to reveal info on him, which killing sinani206 won't do. | ||
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I need the fistpounds to complete my actions. 4 fistpounds and I can shoot people, 8 fistpounds and I cannot be roleblocked, 12 fistpounds and my shot does 2 damage (killing through medics, vets, etc.) So please, fistpound away town, you don't need to be invited, just pound it like you mean it. | ||
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On June 03 2011 08:59 chaos13 wrote: ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles And now you'll stop tunneling on me. Thanks. Haha, not a damn chance bro. I will not rest till you get lynched. | ||
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On June 03 2011 14:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I think people need to stop fistbumping palmar unless he says he'll use his power exactly as the town tells them. In fact the same goes for all claimed vigi type roles. Vigi is an easy role for mafia to fake and we've currently got a plethora of them, chances are at least one is scum so if we hold them accountable to the town that will be great for us. Bro, I claimed the Varpulis kill, it aint been counterclaimed, and while bussing is always a chance, it's a stretch assuming I killed him as mafia to gain town cred. Remember, Varp was a mole, so the mafia knew who he was. And well, if y'all want me to kill a damn SK tonight, then ya better bring 'em fistpounds, cause I need 12 to ignore roleblocks, and do 2 damage (IE: kill a SK). | ||
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But that aint true. I'm not in anything like that. I agree with lynching wiggles tonight. ##Vote: MrWiggles | ||
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On June 03 2011 22:48 chaos13 wrote: Really? You checked what I flip on death, and you still want me lynched? I want to bring everyone's attention to this. I am going to flip green on death, because I am a townie, and death flips don't lie. Either decon messed up or you are lying about what I flip on death, and you either didn't actually check me or you did and are lying about the results. I don't think decon messed up. If we have a day vig, consider shooting me now. My flip will reveal Palmar to be scum, and I think my role will be worth a trade for a brofisthdeathray-fistpoundingmafia. I would suggest the vig shoot Palmar, but at this point nobody is going to believe me until I flip. You guys are letting mafia run this game. We have some people actually listening to Mr. Wiggles when he says he is "nowhere near mod confirmed", we have Palmar playing you guys with his fistpounds and tunneling on me, and the rest doing who knows what, either playing along with the above to or sitting back and lurking their way through the game. We still haven't had anyone confirm Amber's role, so there is absolutely NO way to read him. That is a dangerous game. He needs a DT check tonight. OK, reading 101. On June 03 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote: also, about the random shooting. chaos13 really shot down any arguments against varpulis and I couldn't get any bandwagon going on the guy, so I decided to check what he'd flip, cause this gives me ton of info. Lemme make it clear bro, since you seem to have trouble with Engrish. I shot VARPULIS to check what he'd flip. He flipped Mole. You defended him on really thin arguments, cause you're scum, and a bad scum at that. So yeah, I'm not letting someone defending the mole get away with no suspicion. You dig bro? | ||
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I claimed an uncontested night kill on the mole, I claimed my role, confirmed by tnkted. I'm probably the greenest bro in town right now. You're going down chaos13. | ||
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On June 03 2011 23:34 Eternalmisfit wrote: No, you are not. You are most likely not scum (barring a bus). But that doesn't mean you can't be 3rd party. Also, killing Varpulis doesn't earn any cred in terms of your analysis. It means your analysis on Day1 and the subsequent judgment was crappy as hell. Varpulis was a mole but he didn't know that so he was playing town which means you shot a townie. Yeah, it turned out lucky for town that he flipped mole but considering how many townies took pointless pot-shots, it was all a question of probabilities of some jackass hitting the jackpot. This game that jackass is you. In fact, if I see you trying to claim more town cred for shooting a mole or using that as a justification for making people follow your analysis, I am more likely to believe that you are scum who bussed the mole. Fair enuff bro. Here's the thing though, Only mafia can be certain. I made a case against VarpuliS, and I don't really think anything of it. I mean, yeah, it wasn't the strongest case. I would never have shot that VarpuliS bro, if it wasn't for two conditions. Chaos13 repeatedly defending him, while not bothering to do the same shit for others. For some reason that bro was really sure he was town. And Bumatlarge simply ignoring my suggestion that he'd shoot VarpuliS, strongly wanting to shoto sinani206 instead. This could only mean that those two, who I both considered scummy (one through joker role, other through bad posting) didn't want VarpuliS dead bro. You getting me? I felt like I had to flip VarpuliS to understand the motives behind their complete ignorance of my case. So I did. I mean, cool, you can check me if you want to be sure I'm town, or you can just shoot me tonight. I expect to die tonight by one hand or another. But yeah, I would've dropped the case against VarpuliS instantly if it wasn't for the links my accusations revealed. A case is never a case against one person only, it always includes anyone who said anything against that person. If people would've just bandwagoned him, I'd not have shot him. But I found the difficulty to press the issue, along with flimsy defendants very suspicious. | ||
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I agree with Mataza bro. Anyone the created a role like Framer, Miller, Bus Driver or any kind that fucks with targets/people/results, please claim that you did. We kinda need to know if those exist and how many of them do. So yeah, I don't think there's any downside. Remember, don't claim you _have_ such a role, only that you created one. | ||
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Here are some thoughts I got. I like Mataza's idea of claiming any roles we created that cause mess for the town yo. It just aint cool if there is no framer in the game and we're worrying about it, same with miller and busdriver type o' roles. Bumatlarge and Kurumi bros have promised to be little bitches and do whatever we want them to do. I very much doubt they will, and I very much doubt they're both telling the truth about being serial killers. And I know a way for us to check that.... All we gotta do ask them to shoot each other. Wouldn't that be just fucking great? Getting those damn bastards to just shoot each other? Let's all agree on it and ask them to do it. Here's what I think will happen. Neither will actually follow through and shoot each other, and both will claim to have taken a hit. Well, at least we're lynching them tomorrow. But that's just a worst case scenario. Maybe one of them aint lying and we end up with a dead person, yay! I can shoot sinani206 for the town tonight, so don't worry about that bros. | ||
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Do NOT medic protect me. I claimed a vigi and most people think I'm pretty green at the moment, so I'm a prime target. I will leave a post with my thoughts before daybreak, and that will be enough. It is highly likely mafia has some sort of mass-killing role like a suicide bomber or something in that direction, so I don't want any medics dying on my behalf. I have already gotten enough information and played my part for the town, just leave me be. | ||
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On May 28 2011 04:49 deconduo wrote: 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. If you don't get modkilled for that you're 100% lying, not even the slightest chance you're telling the truth. If he's not lying, he better get modkilled. | ||
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On June 05 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: Start posting analysis and scumhunting then. :D found scum. x2 | ||
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On June 06 2011 06:01 Kenpachi wrote: if i die, Mafia is noob yeah, shooting one of their own is kinda retarded? | ||
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I just thought he was scum. Anyway ##Vote Bumatlarge | ||
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On June 06 2011 07:30 Kenpachi wrote: you are dead. Dont lynch Bum. Town needs him. Mafia got a free win this game thanks to the mass of KP roles given out to those who care incapable of using them. Don't see how it's a problem yet bro. I got a mole night 1, killed a townie night 2, and while it was stupid of me, it confirmed torte as the roleblocker who visited GMarshal night 1 and stopped him from opening the circle to me. I mean, yeah, I fucked up. this game isn't over yet. | ||
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I will post my thoughts at some point during the day. Don't worry about the fistpounds really, they only enable me killing shit, so if you'd rather I play as vanilla, that's fine by me. | ||
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Can we please confirm it? Cause shooting as the town wishes is much easier when I can be sure I won't be redirected. | ||
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But while we don't know if there is a bus role, I can't shoot anyone I claim to shoot. How about you tell me redFF, who, aside from torte and bum, is scum? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9525385 I was wrong on some points (chaos13, varpulis) I was right on some points (bum really did not want to shoot varpulis). Node got killed, we still don't know anything about tnkted. Mataza is still a weird one for me, I have no idea, but I have no problem lynching or shooting him. I think we should get rid of kurumi as fast as possible, he's no good for the town. Obviously I was wrong in my analysis, so I'm getting right back to the drawing board. I didn't feel the discussion during day2 added much value, as Wiggles was such a definite lynch. I will go back through day 2 and the night, to see if I can pick something out. | ||
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The fist pounds simply add an extra life during the night per every 4 pounds. I think this information is worth revealing the truth of my role. So if I get 8 fistpounds it takes 3 hits to kill me. | ||
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You won't gain much information from flipping me, you will end up with a dead vigi, and because town is angry at me at the moment, it's really damn easy to for mafia to support that anger. I will provide a list tomorrow, it's like 2am here now, so I'm going to sleep. Check the list out. | ||
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On June 06 2011 10:50 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah Im kinda confused why he didn't shoot me, he was very capable of killing me with that bullet... he could have saved you guys this lynch. I already said, I can't 2kp kill like I claimed, that was just some made up shit to get mafia hits. So I went for the second target, because I believed your claim of having a vest or something to be genuine. I also said I'd shoot you, so if there is a medic on your team, you could've gotten protected. In hindsight, I would've shot torte de lini, but well... people make mistakes. | ||
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Want me to shoot tnkted tonight Jackal? | ||
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I admitted the shot because it was my failure, but better we at least know what happened. I'm not going to say I don't mind getting lynched, because that means the town is losing out on an opportunity to lynch scum, just flipping a vigi that was easy to bandwagon. I will leave my thoughts on the players left in this game at some point during the day. Doesn't matter if I'm getting lynched or not. If I get lynched and flip green, then at least I've spoken my mind. If I don't get lynched, I will create the list of possible kill targets for the night, and I will shoot at that list. See you tomorrow | ||
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Well my only defense isn't shooting the mole. The other part of it is actually claiming the chaos13 kill. I just don't understand how anyone could think that mafia claimed a bad kill, knowing the risks involved. | ||
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I know I fucked up, but one of the easiest way to gain town credit for mafia is to go after people who fuck up. Make bad roleclaims, create bad plans, whatever. Remember to take a good long hard look at the list voting for me when and if I flip. I think it would perhaps best lists to check if we have a vote-check type detective. My vote obviously remains on Bumatlarge. I wanted him dead but because he has two lives, and I can't actually kill through that, I went searching for a new target. | ||
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On June 06 2011 17:39 Barundar wrote: @Palmar read the day post again, Mataza has a bomb on him. Should give us some good information. Torte seems a lot scummier than you Palmar, but your defense is wifom. I'd love to see you post cases instead. What do you think of the lurkers Hiro Protagonist and Karshe, possibly others I have missed? I hope at least one of our detective type roles went and checked the lurkers. Stefftastiq, Hiro Protagonist and Karshe have all flown very much under the radar. There isn't really much to go on with any of them. I can provide some meta on all of them, but being new players, with only a game or two here, it might not be that useful. I would have expected Karshe to provide more content than he has. I know he's capable of analysis but he's provided almost nothing but questions and one liners since day 2. I wasn't suspicious of him after the first daylight cycle. The point is that he's impossible to get a read on. I don't think he's worth a hit at the moment. Stefftastiq is very careful, he always plays very careful. He accused tnkted and actually apologized for making the accusation. This could of course be read as scumtell, saying how light his accusations are, but I'm leaning towards it being genuine insecurity. Hiro Protagonist plays in the background but I think I'd have to call town on him over scum. The main reason being he claimed creating Wiggles's role and told us how it worked correctly. For some reason he tried to defend Wiggles at some point during day2, but he let himself be convinced. I don't think the mafia would have been bold enough to actually try to save MrWiggles after what happened on night 1. So, of the three, Karshe is worth looking better at. He might even be worth shooting if we can't get any other information out of him, as analysing someone with this little content might be really damn hard to do. | ||
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He would confirm it as there is no reason for mafia to try and hide survival power, especially by claiming a very strong killing power. It is however great reason for town to hide it to try and drag mafia hits. tnkted would've realized this and confirmed me, which greatly reduced my suspicions of him. I tried to make my role look very strong, in order to draw fire. I think there's a post from me somewhere during night 2 or late day 2, where I ask not to be protected by medics. tnkted is by no means clear when I flip town, but confirming my role was pro-town at the moment. This doesn't change the fact that he's been lurking. | ||
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On June 06 2011 06:42 GMarshal wrote: I did. Either his vest absorbed it, or he activated trap mage and wasn't roleblocked. I'll try again tonight. Assuming he activated the trap mage, he should automatically get targeted by your sacrifice tonight. I assume you will be notified that your ability is getting redirected to him? | ||
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I would love to have a word with you. | ||
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I will, until further notice, retire my gun for tonight. I won't be shooting again unless I have a really good reason to. | ||
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On June 07 2011 03:48 Eternalmisfit wrote: In any case, here is the synopsis of my claim against Palmar. Palmar -> 0/2 hits on scum, -> 2/2 hits on DT -> Un-needed RPing on day1 to confuse/derail town about posting restrictions -> Fake role-claim either on D1 or D3 -> Most likely fake kill claim on Chaos13 as well (I believe Kurumi's claim because he claimed instantly after the Day post) -> His current role-claim of being an unlimited night-hit vigi + veteran seems so imba compared to other roles that he is near obviously fake claiming. (Other roles for comparison: BC - random target medic, Wiggles - 1 time bulletproof + 2 bullets, Torte - random target RB, Node - KP who dies if he doesn't shoot scum by 3rd night, Sandroba - role framer, Desk - random KP kill lynch/reveal killer, prplz - 1 time redirect & 1 time lynch proof, Jackal - mason who posting restriction, Amber - doggie with post restriction, Kurumi - loses his role KP block after one time save, Kita - Vote redirect, and so on) -> Deliberately did not follow town instructions of hitting Bum or Kurumi and going after Chaos13. -> It was painfully obvious that Chaos13 was DT and Mataza pretty much pointed it out for everyone. Despite it, he claimed to have not read the thread. (This from a person who quotes Mataza's every second post and calls him scum). -> Day1 vote - does not care who among tnkted, VisceraEyes, Varpulis dies and switches his votes around. On Day1, I doubt any townie is so confident about 3 scum targets (two of which were playing town). It seems like he wants to gets townie lynched. -> Due to someone's awesome role, I am quite confident that there is most likely one scum in the VisceraEyes vote-list. And no, I will not reveal how I got that information. If this much anti-town play is not scummy, I don't know what more can be scummy. ----- Also, when Palmar flips scum, he confirms at-least one more scum and potentially two more scum based on my analysis. In the rather unlikely event that he flips town, it confirms 2-3 people as town to me. The people in suspicion are redFF and Sinani but I won't make my case against them till Palmar is dead since most of the town is posting on a need-to-know basis and I will do the same. -> 1/2 hits on scum. It may have been lucky, but it's still scum. -> RPing cause I felt it'd be fun, if anyone's actually mad about that... I really don't know what I should say. -> Fake roleclaim on D1 with pro-town intentions, someone pointed it being convenient that I'm retiring my gun tonight. But if people really want me to confirm I can still shoot... I can shoot. -> Read better, Kurumi called right away that Chaos13 had been my kill. He was correct. I shot Chaos13. -> My role is kinda imba, I realize. You might wanna consider having me DT checked or whatever, but killing such a strong town role because of a mistake, seems just silly. -> Didn't follow town instructions cause I was afraid of being bussed. I said it, I'm sorry. -> I somehow missed it, and I doubt Mataza is scum. -> If you know about a vote-check list, then sure, try me. You will fail, but you can cross me off and go for someone else. And the biggest thing. What sane mafia would claim killing such a useful role? I'll say it again. I could've claimed roleblocked, I could've claimed not shooting, and I could've claimed a blocked hit or something, but instead I admit the mistake, cause that's the closest thing to help I can offer the town after failing. | ||
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On June 07 2011 04:45 Barundar wrote: Yeah might have to reconsider. Problem is Palmar isn't exactly scummy in his posing, its just his actions... Well as you say. I mean well, I just failed. I know playing the newbie card is usually considered scummy, but I'm just going to. This is my second mafia game, and I made a mistake. Just remember, if you're voting for me, you're voting a random newbie based on nothing but one mistaken night action, instead of someone who has been confirmed (by himself) to be anti-town. I just don't see how anyone that's pro-town would consider it a good trade. Let's lynch bumatlarge, I won't fail again. It would be gargantuan mistake to waste a lynch on me. | ||
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On June 07 2011 04:54 Barundar wrote: Problem is Palmar, I'm not sure I trust you to prove it, shoot more townies and play noob card, if you are mafia you put yourself into the perfect wifom position with the mole kill in the start. Ah well will see tomorrow when Torte has posted again. yeah, it's fine. But it has to be my duty that after I fucked up to try to defend myself and get an actual anti-town role lynched. I mean, currently, assuming I don't get lynched, I've killed one mafia, and one town. It may have been dumb luck that I didn't kill 2 town, but I have killed a significantly larger proportion of the mafia than of the town. So If people are going to try the town going badly on me, then... well, they were relying on something very thin. I fucked up, but I am going to try my best to mitigate what damage I've caused. I hope the townies amongst the people voting for me realize which side they're on. | ||
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On June 07 2011 05:15 Jackal58 wrote: One that wants to pop a mole with a role that's useless to scum to gain townie points. I'm not talking about the VarpuliS kill, I'm talking about the chaos13 kill. I claimed it immediately and apologized. Claiming the kill serves no purpose as mafia as all it did was increase the suspicion of me, and you know... generally being suspicious is a bad thing for mafia. | ||
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I need to go afk for an hour or so. Shoot at me and I will answer. | ||
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Karshe GMarshal Palmar Eternalmisfit Kenpachi (replaced by pandain) tnkted hiro protagonist redFF sinani206 Bumatlarge Mataza Mig Amber[Light] Torte de Lini Cthsazsa Barundar DropBear Stefftastiq Rean Jackal58 | ||
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I don't think the people offing me are all mafia. They wouldn't put so much on the line for a flip they know will be green. It will immediately draw suspicion when I'm dead. However there is definitely going to be at least one or two mafia voting for me. They will of course try to shrug the suspicion off as "Palmar was bad for town anyway", but that's not an excuse for killing a townie over a confirmed anti-town. | ||
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On June 07 2011 06:46 Pandain wrote: BAD AMBER. KILL stefftastiq Look over him and tell me what you think. *pets amber* Stefftastiq is really hard to read. I'd stamp him scum right away if I didn't know he always plays like this. I have never been in a game with him where he's confirmed mafia, so I can't say on meta if he's scumlike, but he's certainly not useful to town at the moment. Also, I just have to say it... sorry Amber | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:33 redFF wrote: I know Palmar is dumb, but saying bumatlarge is not the right lynch is stupid. We lynch Bumatlarge, we make Palmar shoot TDL. Karshe bombs TDL too so we have a backup in case Palmar doesn't listen. TDL not dead in the morning=lynching Palmar. I would like any medic roles on Karshe so his bomb gets off. There simple imo. The mafia better not have a medic role then. But yes, almost everyone seems to agree on shooting torte de lini, so I will do exactly that. | ||
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I get roleblocked, or he gets protected (the mafia might have medics too), and what then? All we end up doing is me being under the same suspicion as before, and instead you waste a lynch on me the day after. I would much rather shoot at a list. three options or something. But If all the town really wants is for me to shoot Torte, I'll do that. | ||
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I will, but are you gonna lynch me tomorrow if I get roleblocked/he gets protected? | ||
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I'm lying again, cause I wanted to make sure if something drastic happened I'd still have my shot available, which I do now. This'll be interesting cause it requires people to take a bit of a leap of faith to keep me around at this point. Bumatlarge is still confirmed anti-town. I really wish someone can DT check and clear me tonight, because my role is just that strong. At current I believe I will shoot Torte De Lini tonight, or most of the town seems agreed on that. Just do it, kill bumatlarge, watch me take a shot at torte de lini, and please, please, please rolecheck me in the process. | ||
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If everything goes well, we'll be rid of bumatlarge, torte de lini and kurumi tomorrow. It should be enough to push us ahead in the fight. | ||
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On June 07 2011 17:43 GMarshal wrote: You lied. Twice. Why should we believe that you'll shoot torte? Maybe you'll shoot someone else and claim "oh my shot was bussed" or perhaps you'll do it for our own good, much like not disclosing that you needed fistbumps to get your shot. You've lied. Twice. I'm half tempted to move from scumatlarge to lynch you, just on policy. Lynching me on policy is stupid. This game isn't about teaching people how to play, but about killing mafia and winning. Yes, I haven't played well this game, that doesn't make my claim any less valid. Any person voting for me will be saving a confirmed anti-town role, in my opinion most likely scum, in order to lynch a townie that played bad. If there were no other obvious choices available, then I'd understand lynching me. But with confirmed anti-town available you would have to be crazy, almost anti-town crazy, to want to lynch me. Let's play this out. at worst you can induct me in your circle and sacrifice me so you don't have to waste a lynch, or lynch me tomorrow. | ||
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Just take a look at the situation Bumatlarge was _always_ going to be under pressure today, after his name got leaked in the daypost and he claimed SK he was going to be pressured today, no matter what. Last night three people died. All the kills are accounted for, the mafia kill point is missing, so it must've been blocked in some fashion. Now explain to me, in what universe would I, with very little suspicion on me up until this point, claim I shot an important role if I was the mafia? Even if I did I would just not admit to it and have people think the mafia killed him. Voila, Bumatlarge is in trouble anyway, so there is no need for any other mafia person to stick their neck out like I did. The only confirmation you have that Chaos13 got killed by me is my word. This is of course true, but it's also very useful for town to know that the kill was a mis-shot. There is no situation where any sensible mafia would put one of their own into the situation I'm in now, with such an easy alternative available. I am town. Rolecheck me. | ||
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On June 07 2011 19:00 Jackal58 wrote: Bum isn't blowing holes in Detectives. I have new concerns about redFF giving you your fist thing. You lied and immediately two people gave you a bullet. You're scum bro. I'm not. and yes, I'm going to keep defending myself until I actually get lynched. I may have failed my role catastrophically, but I will try to leave as much information behind as I can, and that information comes from discussion. I'm glad the people give the mafia no credit at all this game, but it might be dangerous in the long run for this town. Do you think Bumatlarge, or whatever veteran player is on the mafia team told me to shoot the mole to gain town credit, and then promptly lose it all by killing Chaos13 and CLAIMING it? The mafia would know that their kill didn't go through. They know they didn't hit meapak, and they know they didn't hit kitaman. So now the advice I get from my oh so clever mafia team is "right, we have one kill that hasn't been claimed, we wasted our mole buying town credit for Palmar, so Palmar, go forth and claim it so we can instantly lose whatever credit you have". Trust me, if I was mafia my actions would be a lot more sensible than that. | ||
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On June 07 2011 19:03 Jackal58 wrote: Plus if we lynch you we know if Tnkted is lying as well. tnkted is telling the truth about my role. which will be revealed on my flip. | ||
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I'm an assassin. This is my role as described by tnkted. He is the Bro of Destiny. He has no posting restriction (lol, the brostyle was all his idea). He needs to get people to #fistpound him in thread. If he gets 2, he gets a kill. If he gets 4, he gets an extra life at night. 6 and he needs to be triplestacked, etc. I'm allying my gun with town. I still have two shots from my assassin gun (that's why I claimed I could always shoot, I could prove that), and as long as I get supplied through fistpounds I don't have to use that. If you want to keep me alive, fistpound me. If you want me dead, don't do it and the other assassins will be all over me. It's pretty easy, the town can completely control when I live and when I die. I gain nothing from killing townspeople, I gain from killing people that are confirmed not to be on town's side. I want Bumatlarge, Kurumi and Torte De Lini dead as soon as possible. I will shoot at this list tonight. As I've said a million times, my actions don't add up if I'm mafia. I hope everything makes sense now... with such an overpowered role I really should have been able to win the assassin game, but alas, I was an idiot. Keep the other assassins a non-threat by fistpounding me for extra lives, that way they'll have to stack to kill me, perchance saving an innocent townie in the process. The reason I'm so hungry for the fistpounds is because well... they'd basically auto-win me the assassin game. By the way, I gave amber his role. I'm not revealing what it is because it's pro-town to keep it secret. If I ever become suspicious of him I will reveal it. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:13 Eternalmisfit wrote: Give me one effing reason to trust you. Yeah, lets blindly trust a lying scumbag on blind faith especially after his latest lie was a secure a KP. I am dead-on confident that you are lying again. @rest of town I am seeing Torte being scum popping up over and over again and I yet fail to see a solid case against him (apart from him RB'ing GM since he doesn't have control on his abilities). Please enlighten me and convince me that he is sure-shot scum which multiple people are saying here. Well, That wasn't a lie, I'm not part of the mafia and the actions I took still don't make sense as mafia. Now read it again after I claimed  | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:25 Eternalmisfit wrote: Also, just because Palmar claimed 3rd party doesn't make him one either. For all I know,he might still be scum. And one who is confirmed killing two townies and definitely has a KP tonight. In the light of new events, I highly recommend that we lynch Palmar. GM can induce bum in his circle and sacrifice him tonight. Kurumi is harmless for now since he has used up his bullets and might die from the redirected KP as well. It is more urgent to kill Palmar in the day since he has a confirmed KP and is now confirmed anti-town. As I understand it GM can either introduce someone new to the circle, or sacrifice someone, not both. As the trap mage thing should automatically go for Kurumi tonight, wouldn't that mean he can't kill Bum? Stop trying to save your buddy bro | ||
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I can confirm there being 3 assassins, and both Kurumi and Bum claimed SK. I have a feeling this looks like one of them is lying. | ||
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Also, you should probably give me 4 fistpounds at least, that way both the assassins have to stack on me to get me killed. Feel free to troll them and give me more, basically leaving them neutered and their numbers still count amongst town. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:37 Eternalmisfit wrote: He made a claim which can be fake and lets him live another night while he still has a KP at hand. If you want to see what someone with a confirmed KP and being 3rd-party can do, just look back at Kurumi's last night's action. Why do you believe he will the use the KP for the good of the town when he has been lying all through the game? Want me to shoot this guy instead town? Or should I stick with my list: Torte De Lini Kurumi Bumatlarge | ||
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you can play "spot the assassin" by checking who visits me tonight. make sure I get 4 fistpounds, I think I have 3 at the moment. We want _both_ assassin hits to go to me. | ||
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On June 07 2011 20:57 Barundar wrote: lol this is why LAL is a proven policy. We have no way of knowing if there is assassins in the game or if he is pulling numbers out his ass. Now we are banking on a faction we don't know exist to kill him. What are we going to do when he survives the night and hand us another lie? Stop the BS. If I survive, I will offer you a random head from my list, another lie, and perchance some beer, but you'd have to come out to Iceland. Let's just see what Bum flips shall we, then you can decide my allegiances! | ||
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When I die, you should really take a look at the people who are voting for me, it's almost guaranteed there are some, if not many, mafia players in there. No one with a sane mind pushes a claimed assassin that has actions completely inconsistent with mafia goals. The people pushing my lynch are people wanting to save Bumatlarge | ||
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On June 07 2011 21:17 Jackal58 wrote: I have no desire to save Bum. I have a great desire to get rid of a monkey with a gun. All I can hear is "please don't kill my scumbro". huurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Don't fistpound me, I have no extra lives and will be killed tonight. | ||
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On June 07 2011 21:40 Barundar wrote: Thing is, if Palmar actually is an assassin, he will only have tonight to win the game, meaning he will shoot twice, both with his role and with his assassin ability. Thats twice as much as mafia will kill tonight if Kurumi is telling the truth about KP. And I don't believe for a second he will shoot where we ask him to... I can't shoot both guns at once. Dec said it'd be overpowered. | ||
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On June 07 2011 21:40 Mataza wrote: One last question Palmar: Is there any way to know if Amber is using his superdog abilities for the good of town? No, I don't think so. His role isn't super powerful, it's just useful. | ||
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Kurumi isn't harmless, he'll lie and deceive to try to be the last person standing, also he's bulletproof. Bumatlarge is scum, we know he's bulletproof, so that he can't be shot at night. He should hang today if this town wants to stand a chance. I've lied, but only to further my own goals. There are very high chances of me dying tonight, there are very low chances of Bumatlarge dying tonight. You're trying to waste a lynch on someone that'll die anyway. | ||
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The mafia kill from last night is still unaccounted for, Kurumi could claim that all he wants and... well do you think the mafia would come out and tell you that? | ||
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On June 07 2011 21:27 Mataza wrote: What if Palmar is lying? I know, a daring assumption but let´s pretend it was a possibility. If there are assassins in this game, they will kill him. They don´t need their kp for anything else. If he for some reason survives, we lynch him. There shouldn´t be much of a difference between lynching Bum and lynching Palmar. We cannot control either. And they have both KillPower. The difference is, that Palmar is very likely to die at night, while Bum is not. Bum is at least bulletproof and we have no killpower confirmed as town to stack up on him. At this point, the "Palmar problem" will most likely solve itself., while the "Bum problem" won´t. Sorry Bum, but you are simply not town. Just quoting this cause Mataza is right. | ||
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On June 07 2011 23:27 Cthsazsa wrote: So much bullshit going around this game >_> Palmar no one here is going to trust you for jack shit. However, I think lynching bum will be the better idea. If Palmar is indeed an Assassin he will die tonight. If we lynch Palmar, bum is going to no doubt survive the night. So we will have to use tomorrow's lynch on him. I think we should lynch bum today. If Kurumi is telling the truth, Mafia didn't kill anyone last night because they were roleblocked, most likely from TDL. I still think we shouldn't kill him just yet. I think I will be switching my vote to bum. Look at reason! @Jackal I'm still trying to win. It's not likely. Maybe some townie will realize giving me another fistbump will push my night lives up to two, and thus tie up two unaccounted assassin guns. Maybe even a medic, who realizes that wasting third party bullets is always a good thing, will protect me. I don't have much chance, but I'd rather not die. | ||
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3rd party and mafia coming together to lynch me! That's nice of you guys. | ||
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On June 08 2011 00:18 Karshe wrote: We need to figure out who Palmar should shoot tonight. If he misses his shot, he dies. If he kills, even for his own agenda, at least we will have benefited from keeping him alive for another day. Take your time, I'll be around all day. May I suggest a person from my scum and anti-town-shortlist? Torte Scumatlarge Kurumi Eternalmisfit | ||
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I will be travelling to Norway tomorrow, will spend most of the day in flight/train/airport. So if you intend to have me kill a specific target (My gun is allied with town), then I would ask that you give me that target before: 00:00 GMT tonight, that's three hours after the night begins. | ||
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On June 08 2011 00:30 Cthsazsa wrote: What good is keeping your vote on TDL going to do? I second that, it's actually kinda scummy. Me and Bumatlarge are both confirmed anti-town, and torte de lini is not. You should take part in what is happening, not just sit on the sideline and semi-nod to it. If you think Bumatlarge is the right lynch, then grown the balls to stick a vote on him. | ||
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On June 08 2011 00:32 Palmar wrote: I second that, it's actually kinda scummy. Me and Bumatlarge are both confirmed anti-town, and torte de lini is not. You should take part in what is happening, not just sit on the sideline and semi-nod to it. If you think Bumatlarge is the right lynch, then grown the balls to stick a vote on him. Oh wait, I don't have to be pro-town anymore. Ignore me. | ||
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On June 08 2011 00:35 Kurumi wrote: Oh wait,You'll get lynched. I forgot that You're the guy providing second KP to mafia! You're mean. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:07 Cthsazsa wrote: You think he's scum because of the fact that his posts hardly contribute and aren't even helpful, yet you don't completely think he's anti-town because of his argument with Kurumi.? There's other people who've been contributing far less than Torte, people who haven't contributed shit to discussion, such as Sinani. I don't believe his claim that his death will revive someone. He says that he has to be killed for it to work, as lynching will do no good. Wtf is that? His role probably involves killing people that visit him. No one confirmed, meaning his creator's probably dead. Post that sticks out to me: Obvious attempt to draw our vigis to visit him, so that they die? I'm not buying any of Sinani's bullshit. I don't understand how you guys are missing this, I don't understand how you guys are letting Sinani fly under the radar, and I definitely don't understand how you think TDL is more scummy then this guy/ I thought someone confirmed writing the role for him? If I was town I'd probably go back and find it? | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:20 Kurumi wrote: Am I wrong or Palmar was hardcore on Mataza until the bomb was announced? Palmar,You know how he would flip so You just dropped the case? How fortunate. Wait what? First of all, I wasn't hardcore on Mataza's case. I think I remember telling people to ignore him. Second, even if I was, why would I keep telling people he was scum when he was about to die anyway? | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:20 Jackal58 wrote: Sinani's claim matches the claim of the person that claimed he made it. If he isn't what he said he is we have 2 scum. I don't know what his alignment is though. BC was opposed to Sinani's death. So it's possible if Sinani dies we get Mr. Wiggles back in the game. Provided he was truthful about his role. He claimed wanting to be shot right after Viscera/BC died though. This is before he knew Wiggles would be flipped, this is before he knew VarpuliS would be shot. While it doesn't clear him by any stretch of the imagination, I doubt that back then he was setting up a death on night 3 / day 4 to bring back any mafia that might have potentially died before then. On June 02 2011 08:57 sinani206 wrote: Kill me please. Something good for the town will happen. So yeah, I'm technically allied with town at this point, so I might as well try to be useful. This is why I would consider checking Sinani instead of killing him. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:26 GMarshal wrote: Kurumi dies tonight, by my hand (unless the bp vests protect him from my goddamn knife). Hate to disappoint, I only have Kurumi in my circle. Plus my kills are broadcaster as "the mysterious cult leader killed _____" so if I go on a killing spree its going to be very, very blatant (mind you, I'm about *this* close to going into GM rage mode at this point). Also LOL at Palmar claiming assassin. I dont buy it. Now I know you are scum, you claimed assassin to buy another night for yourself, so you can kill more townies, you are just banking on there not actually being any assassins in the game. Plus *even if* you are telling the truth, your alliance with the town is *worthless* as we cannot enforce anything we ask you to do, as if you really are an assassin (which you aren't by the way) then lynching you to "enforce" our demands is an utter waste. You are just desperate to survive just one more night, so you can deal maximum damage to the town. Wonderful strategy, at this point I'm convinced you are scum, and so is bum, you are just busing him because his night ability isn't as valuable, if I'm not mistaken. However it seems like the town is content to let you scooch by. Whoever the bomb placing guy is, do you mind strapping one around his neck? For when he isn't dead tomorrow, I mean. Cool, well I'd rather not get bombed, but I guess that's my fate for now. At least I've spared the town using bad lynch against me instead of killing scumatlarge. The only thing that's still broken in your analysis is the same thing all the people accusing me of being mafia have: Why would I claim the chaos13 kill if I was scum? The lynch is the town's strongest weapon. The mafia already knew that bum would be under pressure. What kind of an idiot plan would have one of their own randomly claim the chaos13 kill just to bus bum anyway. It just doesn't hold up. I'm an assassin, there are two more in the game. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote: Make up my fucking mind for me Gman.  Do it yourself. Killing me today is stupid. Are you guys honestly suggesting the mafia plan looked something like this? -> Step 1: Bus the mole, get town cred -> Step 2: Help lynch Wiggles, knowing bum is in trouble -> Step 3: Kill a cop, claim the kill, and lose every fucking gram of town cred we have -> Step 4: Claim assassin, bus Bum anyway, cause that's how I roll. -> Step 5: Get killed 4 mafia down, go us! This is not what will happen if I flip. All you will end up with is a wasted lynch, and Bumatlarge still alive. | ||
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On June 08 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote: You claimed killing chaos13, because you are the only person with a known kp. Forestalling the question by claiming is a very nice mafia strategy, its one I tried using in PYPI. Yeah, I think you are scum. I'll tell you who else has a known KP THE GODDAMN MAFIA. Meapak died from Dropbear, Kurumi claimed the kitaman shot. The mafia would have known they did not hit Meapak. It's astonishing you still think this. Town, you should definitely check GMarshal, he isn't this thick, so he's definitely got something in the works. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:09 Cthsazsa wrote: Palmar, I wanna see your counter-argument to this. Gladly. First, does the mafia actually know the role of the mole? Or just his alignment. If it's only the alignment, then well.. your entire first part is down the drain. Dec, can you clarify?. All I will answer is his step 3. Why didn't I just say that I got roleblocked, (just like GMarshal himself did ) and retain my town cred, while still getting rid of the DT. The mafia kill is STILL not accounted for.Step 2 I agree with, even the mafia had to bus him. Step 5: Well yeah, I thought I was about to get lynched so I claimed. When I claimed I hoped for better reactions, like people actually wanting to keep me alive to keep other assassins in check. But I guess I'll die tonight. Do not waste a lynch on me. Only good thing to come out of it is that it will paint a very interesting picture for the town. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:26 Cthsazsa wrote: Gain town cred, duhh. And that was the only thing Palmar was using to make himself appear town. That, my entire posting history, and the fact I claimed the chaos13 kill. Whatever, lynching me is stupid, I tried my best. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:40 redFF wrote: Here is what we do. Scumatlarge is the lynch Palmar shoot torte de lini Karshe bomb Torte De lini Medics on Karshe If torte de lini is not dead in the morning we lynch Palmar We might lynch Palmar even if Torte De Lini is dead in the morning Then Torte De Lini and Palmar are dead. ^.^ I agree with this plan. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:50 Cthsazsa wrote: Well no shit, that plan means you'll get to live past tonight. Horrible plan. Oh, yah, I didn't read that we were double stacking torte. Anyway, if I live past the lynch, I will be shooting torte. No lists, no plans to avoid roleblocks or anything. If the mafia protects him somehow, I will accept my fate and let you lynch me the next day, or even just eat the bomb that Karshe will likely stick on me. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:51 Karshe wrote: If we lynch Bum, mafia loses a member. If we lynch Palmar, mafia loses a KP. Why are you people voting Bum still... You're wrong. I'm not mafia. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:54 GMarshal wrote: ![[image loading]](http://th05.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/118/d/7/death__the_grim_rider_by_scarypet-d1yrld6.jpg) Is me now. I'm pissed. ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rGRFRHoSc8A/TViH7p5tsZI/AAAAAAAAKVA/HO0F2XtAEZ8/s1600/Facepalm%255B1%255D.jpg) you, after I don't flip scum. Also, thanks for the compliment about SNMMII, but I have played this game terribly. | ||
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On June 08 2011 02:58 GMarshal wrote: 3.) there are no unaccounted for kp The mafia one? | ||
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First of all, I sincerely apologize to everyone for playing badly. I was not lying when I played the newbie card, someone said that role didn't reveal alignment, and I was convinced Chaos13 was scum, despite his role-checking powers. I decided to take a shot at him, figuring at worst I'd have killed one mafia for one town, and at best I'd go two mafia. I clearly need to work on my scumhunting skills because they seem non-existant. I'm re-reading Ver's town guide at the moment. If anyone has more resources on how to play town and scum-hunt, then please send me that way. I desperately need it. I'm good enough at talking and lying, but I have no idea how to spot scummyness it seems. So yeah, I hope people don't rage to hard, I hate the fact I was given such a powerful role with so little experience, and I hope you will all welcome me in future games. Here are my thoughts on some of the current players in the game. redFF: He's defending me, which is sensible, but might also be a very good way of getting rid of suspicion. I felt early on that he was giving me scum vibes, but his actions seem relatively pro town. He might know I won't flip scum, and be using this to get rid of suspicion DropBear: has completely failed to create any discussion with his analysis. He seems to have told the truth about his "paranoid gun owner" type of role, which is pro town. I like him for a green. Hiro Protagonist: Confirmed the role for MrWiggles, I think he is a good green candidate too. Sinani206: He asked to be killed on night one to revive BC, very likely town. Jackal: I'm not quite sure. I think I want to paint him town thanks to his aggressive behavior, but I don't really know any meta on him, so it might be how he plays. He seems to have good intentions in what he does. Torte: Randomly roleblocking people is just bad, you should bomb or lynch this guy because even if he's pro-town, he's making the game harder at random. Kurumi: Just get rid of him already. If GMarshal is unable to do it then lynch him. GMarshal: He has failed to contribute anything than bandwagon me which won't look good for him when I don't flip scum. He's basically responsible for saving bumatlarge at the moment. I would have a look into flipping him at some point. I'd say he's scum. Cthsazsa: Probably town, I don't really have much to back it up. I just think he is. Bumatlarge: Definitely mafia. Karshe: Pro town, I'd recommend keeping him around as long as the bombs get strapped where they should be strapped. I said earlier today that I thought he was scummy, but these last hours have changed my mind on him. Stefftastiq: Should be forced to contribute. I'd have a look into him being an anti-town role, even scum. Eternalmisfit: I'm not sure on him. I still think he is acting quite scummy, going after players I think or know are not scum, and suggesting that he has some breadcrumbed information. I like him as possible scum. Pandain: Zero read, nada. I'm very disappointed Kenpachi ragequit out of the game. Mig: Probably town, I don't have much on him. Amber[Light]: Probably town, I hope someone has checked him because he's impossible to read with the posting restriction I gave him. By the way, I designed the role to be flexible (ie feel free to add your own dog emotions). His role is only good as long as it's kept secret, sadly this goes for both sides, so I'll take the secret to the grave. Barundar: Weird and indecisive is my read on him. once more someone I'm not comfortable with as town. I think he deserves a check or flip, unless he provides something useful for town. Rean: I just don't know... ain't got nothing on him. tnkted: probably town, confirmed my role when it was a lie, which is pro-town, as my lie would only benefit town. I'm sorry, I won't be around again until around lynch time. I will pop in to say GG. I hope people will not shun me from games or something for my bad play. I will flip town, I just claimed assassin hoping to get rid of the lynch train on me, after failing on the chaos13 thing. I was hoping the town would actually do a useful lynch today, and then assassins would kill me, and thus ending my streak of uselessness. Alas, that was not to be. Good game people, I feel like shit, I'm sorry. | ||
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If anyone wants to ask any questions. I apologize once again for my sloppy play. | ||
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All in all, I fucked up, created an easy target for mafia, and proceeded to get lynched. Good luck town. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote: How would You like to get lynched? A shot in head should suffice? Of course You're be on Your knees. You should probably try to act a little less hard-ass. Being an internet tough guy is neither funny nor cool. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:45 hiro protagonist wrote: If you are town, Why the hell lie about being an assassin???? what did you hope to accomplish for town with that claim? I thought I was about to get lynched. and my play wasn't pro town. I figured my best bet was to claim assassin. That way the lynch would probably go on bum, who is likely scum, and I would hopefully be killed by assassins, thus not having town waste KP on me. I realize now that this was dumb, because I couldn't maintain it. But yeah, that was the plan. All in all, I was trying to make sure we didn't waste a lynch, and getting bum out of the game asap, and getting myself killed easy. Obviously a bad idea. I'll learn from the mistakes. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:53 hiro protagonist wrote: And if you flip green, I will have to learn from mine T_T And we lost two more towns! fuck me, the game is now Mafia vs 3rd party if palmar is not scum... Well, I'll take the blame for this one. There are some very good town players voting for me, and I can't fault them for it, I failed. Sorry. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:58 Cthsazsa wrote: Palmar if you really are town you should be defending the shit out of yourself right now -__- I tried. | ||
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On June 08 2011 05:58 Cthsazsa wrote: Palmar if you really are town you should be defending the shit out of yourself right now -__- I laid it out, my actions are inconsistent with mafia goals. | ||
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Once again, I apologize. | ||
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Just fistpound the shit out of me, and we have a pretty unkillable night vigilante. | ||
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I can shoot hiro. | ||
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Anyway, I guess the lynch will explain it to us. At the moment I'm shooting Hiro tonight. | ||
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If the vote-check lists are right, Hiro has a 50% chance of being mafia, and if he's town, it confirms Barundar. Either way, we shoot him, and then lynch the other if the first one flips town. Bumatlarge and Torte De Lini should die before the night. Rean, I assume you know Amber's role now, based on your question directed at him? Another good reason for shooting hiro is that we know there are two mafia on my lynch train. If bumatlarge flips scum, then we know there's only one there, and hiro is on it. It really helps narrowing down the remaining mafia. If hiro flips town I suggest we DT check GMarshal. Eternalmisfit, Karshe, Rean and Cthsazsa all have pro town actions on record, and while that is no proof, it should be stronger than just pro-town posting. If Bum flips red and hiro flips red, and Kurumi yet again fails to day, I think we have to lynch Kurumi tomorrow, we just can't avoid it anymore. | ||
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On June 10 2011 02:22 Jackal58 wrote: I thought you were growling at me being role blocked. But I gotcha. Also ##Fistpound Palmar. Also I'm buried at work and won't be active til later tonight. Also no fucking smileys. | ||
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He called me a newbie scrub who played drunk, which seemed mostly to be a provocation, and then the not even close, try again thing. It's not useful, it's not adding to the discussion, it's just provocation, which is something I don't understand. | ||
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I wonder if people like Jackal who quoted him will be roleblocked tonight. | ||
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I'm shooting hiro, and I've already sent in the night action. So barring a roleblock (I was careful not to quote torte) or a medic save, hiro should be dead in the morning. | ||
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On June 10 2011 22:02 Jackal58 wrote: What does Amber check for? He apparently checked me night one. Amber doesn't check anything. | ||
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Barundar can be vigged I think we should lynch kurumi? | ||
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At the moment my main concern would be to negate as many KP's as possible. GMarshal can't kill anyone tonight because he doesn't have anyone in his cult. Karshe has a KP, I have a KP, the mafia has a KP and jackal has a KP, in theory. We have 11 players remaining: Karshe GMarshal redFF Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Barundar DropBear stefftastiq Rean Jackal58 Palmar I think up to 4 (but more likely 3) of those are anti-town. Barundar, Jackal and someone else. Lynching Jackal and shooting Barundar is a good plan. There is an additional benefit to it in the fact that I can probably sort-of-clear amber in the process. I think Rean considers him clear too. And that leaves what to do with karshe's bomb, and whom GMarshal should introduce into his circle. I guess we can discuss that in the night. Stefftastiq, we still need to hear from you, you should have some information for us? #Fistpound me! ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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I can't shoot without them. | ||
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I need more fistpounds, 2 more for the veteran thing. | ||
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unless rean is lying, but since you didn't include the mafia in your list he would gain nothing from that. | ||
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and a pawpound! | ||
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Jackal has the ability to kill. GMarshal cannot kill anyone since he has no one in his circle. I can shoot barundar tonight. If barundar doesn't die, we lynch him and then shoot the dog. If barundar dies, we lynch Cthsazsa or GMarshal and shoot the other. All the while, the only KP's going around are mine and the mafia's, so we're not going to fall any more behind from this point on. | ||
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amber, you can #pawpound: Palmar and it will count. | ||
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Palmar, redFF, stefftastiq, rean we probably have 2-3 remaining mafia, and 1-2 remaining black roles. But the main thing is they need too much time to kill us all. All we have to do is keep their KP's as low as possible. Can we please just go kill Jackal58 ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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How about you guys listen to what rean and I are saying. We lynch Jackal to remove KP. With investigative roles on our side, slowing down the game will only help town. there are 11 players left. only three will die this next cycle (my kill, mafia kill, lynch) that leaves 8. with barundar dead, do you really believe there are 4 more mafia remaining? | ||
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On June 12 2011 17:28 Barundar wrote: btw Palmar how much did you mean what you said about your play before you died earlier? which part? | ||
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On June 12 2011 17:34 Barundar wrote: The whole: My play is so bad I'm sorry town blah blah I meant all of it. I also just lost outright in SNMMIII, we lynched 3 townies and shot one more without ever touching the mafia. My mafia finding skills are guesswork at the moment, I have no idea how to improve. I have read Ver's guide all through three times, and I'm trying to look for other resources. I am terrible at town play and I want to improve, I just don't know how. | ||
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On June 12 2011 17:37 GMarshal wrote: No. We don't lynch for information. Ever. We are lynching him because he is a serial killer with a gun, and is going to kill town tonight, Anything else is an added benefit, but it is not a *reason*. Well yeah, read through all my other posts. The main reason I want to lynch Jackal is to get rid of the KP. another reason or added benefit, would be to clear up the 3rd party thing | ||
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By the way, the votes are like this atm: jackal: GM Palmar Rean Dropbear barundar: Karshe Cthsazsa Stefftastiq jackal58 redff, amber and barundar have their votes casted somewhere else. I'd ask stefftastiq to switch his vote over to jackal, and amber to do the same | ||
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We'll just chill for rean's report You should probably introduce cthazshshahshas to your cult | ||
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DropBear needs a lynch if we intend to kill him. | ||
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I know amber's role, so building a case against him is easy after tonight, if the need arises. there's probably not more 3rd party roles in this game. | ||
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He has posted them all and they have helped, so I'm inclined to think he's green at the moment. The biggest suspects for me at the moment are Karshe (why didn't you just bomb joker after n1, instead of killing mataza and then bombing him) and DropBear | ||
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I know his role. So depending on tonight's outcome I think he's scum or town. Currently leaning towards town, but not massively so. Tonight will tell us quite a bit about him. | ||
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Karshe Bombs Expert GMarshal Cultist? Can recruit people to a circle and sacrifice them redFF Interrogator Amber[LighT] Doggie Cthsazsa Crzzy Cat Lady (death vig) Barundar DropBear (PGO?) stefftastiq ??? Rean Psychic (votecheck/alignment check) Palmar Bro of Destiny Almost everyone on this list has a reason for us to believe they're town. So all we can do is just start picking off people from the most likely to be scum and dangerous, to the least likely. at current, but this might change during the night, my list would be something like this: Karshe: Could've used the bombs better GMarshal: sacrificed Kurumi, that's kinda it. Cthsazsa: Claimed creating Wiggles's role, some pro-town behaviour DropBear: not really done anything apart posting mass analysis (generally you gun for one person, instead of spreading confusion) and warning the town of his role redFF: interrogator, consistently pro-town behavior, not much to absolve him though stefftastiq: correctly given us all the leads from his clues, inactive, but probably pro-town Amber: his role isn't dangerous, unless something happens, he's green in my eyes. Rean: biggest contributor to town at the moment. I guess we'll see his allegiances once the top 4 from my list are dead Palmar: Confirmed green. Likes to shoot cops though, cause y'know.... fuck the police. | ||
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I like the dropbear lynch, as he can never be cleared anyway. If he flips red, that's no clearance for anyone though. We still need more information. GMarshal, do you have a new member in your cult now? Amber, quote the person you targeted and wiggle your tail. | ||
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If rean is fucking with us, it's almost 100% chance that stefftastiq is the other scum, because he confirmed Rean's night action today, and it's results. This makes it very likely that Rean and Steff are both town. Amber cannot frame anyone, we still need to know who you targeted tonight. We also need to try to account for the mafia kill. For some reason the mafia KP did not land tonight, why? I agree with lynching DropBear tonight, and will cast my vote thusly. I see no reason to doubt the Rean check, confirmed by Stefftastiq, and we should have a vast majority to check this list. Let's just start this by lynching DropBear. ##Vote DropBear | ||
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karshe, i am pretty sure amber has been helping town. i still want amber to wiggle his tail at the person he targeted last night. | ||
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I find that a great argument for amber being town Rean. | ||
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Cause I like to hog all the KP's myself. And because he is on Rean's list. | ||
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On June 15 2011 04:17 GMarshal wrote: Its because I want people to think, rather than depend on blues, stupid of me, I know, but hey, a man can hope, right? Well, blues act as support to thinking. We're trying to do exactly what you want us to do, but we're using the blues to give us guidelines on how to think. It's mad to only rely on blues, but it's also mad to simply ignore them, wouldn't you agree? We have a list from Rean, that contains two mafia. There might be miller roles in this game, but that would've required the player who designed the role to create it as miller role, as there is no miller alignment. This doesn't rule out the possibility of a miller, but it certainly does reduce the chances of there being one. Our work is definitely not done by just shooting everyone on the list. But we can use the list as a guideline on who we should be taking a look at, which is exactly what we're doing at the moment. GMarshal Palmar Rean DropBear stefftastiq Amber[LighT] I would be much more skeptical if Stefftastiq hadn't confirmed Rean's night action through his whisper. Now, we need to apply analysis to the people on the list... see what I'm talking about, there are two people on this list that are mafia, so we've narrowed down our focus with the help of blues. Now we need to get our hands dirty to try and find the scum. I have already proven I'm completely useless at posting analysis, so I'll stick to action analysis. I hope someone can complement my conclusion with something on behavior. GMarshal: Got roleblocked by torte. He would have known how torte's roleblock worked. This makes it less likely GMarshal is mafia. GMarshal led the switch to me over confirmed scum. This makes it more likely he is mafia. Rean Rean has provided us with reliable vote-lists. Until something happens that makes me believe he's scum, I'm going to have faith he is town. Especially the fact that stefftastiq confirmed him when he could easily have lied, makes me think he's town. DropBear All dropbear did early in the game was analysing 4 people at once, which is kinda silly because if you think you have scum, you should get the town to focus, not spread the votes out over several people you suspect. DropBear did ask us not to visit him during night, and meapak seems to have fallen to that, but this is almost a must-explain even if he's mafia. He's my best bet for mafia on the list. stefftastiq Steff is very inactive, but he seems to always deliver his whispers reliably and they have helped us understand what is about to happen. There is a slight chance that both the gas cannister whisper and this rean psychic whisper were orchestrated, but it's just a big wifom argument. I think Steff is town. Amber[LighT] Consistently pro-town actions it seems. Obviously people are not going to agree with me here because no one knows amber's role but me. But I don't see any reason to consider him mafia at the moment. | ||
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On June 15 2011 04:26 GMarshal wrote: Cths, you up for just lynching RedFF? I'm pretty sure that from his desperate behavior he is mafia, and we can just have palmar shoot DB tonight. Or we can do it the other way around, I don't care ^_^ yeah, I'll shoot DB and die a horrible death. | ||
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If DropBear flips green, I'm definitely shooting into the list. There are hardly two millers in the list. At the moment, I feel I'm shooting you no matter what, you have a KP that I don't control, you have less green points in my book than anyone in the list aside from dropbear. | ||
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And don't get me wrong, I notice other things too. Amber and Rean were among the last people to switch to my lynch. What it comes down to is looking at the actions at hand. You see, there are tiny little things pointing in your direction. Most of the town probably wouldn't have cared if it was me or bum who got lynched, both were "confirmed" anti-town and useless. But you really made it your case that I should be the one dying. I mean, your comments in that part were okay, there was logic and reason to them, but that's only what I'd expect of you, town or mafia. But, even if I end up shooting you, you have 24 hours to win the game for us. Show us what you're made of, you're our best analyst. There is enough information on the board. Lead us to victory beyond your grave. | ||
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Also, you misunderstand me, killing you doesn't clear anyone pushing for your kill, but of course it reveals information. Rean's list has two mafia on it, so your flip actually gives information on that list. But I'm against lynching for information anyway, I want to lynch you because I think Rean is telling the truth and I think you're the scum. | ||
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On June 15 2011 19:26 DropBear wrote: Why do you think I'm the scum though? I'm not doubting Rean at all. Why not stefftastiq? Because Stefftastiq could make anything up for his whispers in the night. He revealed a whisper that basically confirmed that Rean was telling the truth about his votecheck. The only way I think stefftastiq is mafia is if Rean is one too. I just find that possibility less likely than you or GM being the scum. | ||
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On June 15 2011 19:40 Rean wrote: My role name was openly available in the thread, faking it wouldn't have been hard. Besides, who says steff can't be a scum medium? Linking his alignment to mine is just stupid. Steff could've gotten you lynched by simply misreporting tonight. I'd take the gamble to rid the town of their last DT role. If he had just changed his message and said "1 mafia" or "no mafia", we'd have a completely different day. I'm not clearing him, but I just think it's unlikely he's scum. | ||
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On June 16 2011 02:10 redFF wrote: Palmar you know who to shoot. yeah, if DropBear flips scum I'm shooting you. | ||
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Because GMarshal's posting has convinced me you're scum. | ||
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On June 16 2011 02:45 redFF wrote: How? You have to provide reasoning. Read through my damn posts from day 1 and tell me I'm scum ffs, I'm one of the most obvious townies in this game. GM is either Mafia or an idiot, but he has to die because he is on the list, and is scummier than Steff and Amber. Do you have reason to believe there is a miller? Please give me reasoning for killing me apart from GM busing Dropbear. This is the same reasoning as I used as mafia in the first game I played. I knew I hadn't slipped and thus asked for people to go back and make post by post analysis, as a way of reducing suspicion on me. | ||
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I don't want you to use your abilities tonight I'm shooting redFF | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:07 redFF wrote: lol w/e palmar for best vigi of all time -_- Well I'm technically vig shooting per popular request. GM and Rean both want you dead. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:10 GMarshal wrote: I'm inducting someone if you don't mind, I want to be able to chat with people. I do mind. Please do not induct anyone into your cult. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:14 GMarshal wrote: I will be inducting Cthsazsa. I want to press him in PM's. Why don't you want me inducing people? Several reasons. a) you can kill people in the cult. I'm not convinced you're town, so I don't want you to have any additional powers. b) some mafia games have cults with independent win conditions (like turn half the town). I know a cult isn't a 3rd party thing, but if you're scum it could come down to the people in your cult being manipulated in some way. Maybe you can force their votes or something. c) you said we should rely on analysis, so let's keep all the information in the thread and out of PMs. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:01 Rean wrote: Palmar, for the love of god, please vig redff. Even if by now you still don't think he's scum, shoot him just to shut him the fuck up. Shooting GMarshal would be ridiculously stupid at this point. I'm interested. While I haven't stated I'd shoot GMarshal there are several good reasons for killing him. Let's have a look at his "accomplishments" Calling out bum, whose role got leaked. Well so did I, and I am bad. Voting for Wiggles... well duh. Killing Kurumi, again... duh, he was an outed SK. Killing Jackal, once again, obvious choice, I am bad at this game, and I was independently calling for exactly the same thing, I think before GM called for it. DropBear: yes, this was good. I will agree to that. But was it a bus or was it a good call? GMarshal keeps rehashing these achievements in his defense, but most of it seems like obvious reasoning. Now let's move on to reason number 2 to shoot GM He has a freaking KP that we can't control. And finally bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist GMarshal Palmar Rean DropBear stefftastiq Amber[LighT] two lists. both lists have two mafia on them. By exclusion the remaining mafia is GMarshal or Amber. Except, of course, there might be a miller type role. so Rean, if you know something I don't. Please explain why GMarshal is a bad kill? I think I'm shooting redFF, but I really want to know why you say killing GMarshal is stupid. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:27 GMarshal wrote: You need to read the last two posts of the thread man They were written while I was writing my own. My post is irrelevant now. | ||
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a) he claimed creating wiggles's role. if this is true he's almost definitely not mafia. b) he planted a bomb on hiro, information that then got leaked through stefftastiq. Remember, this is when everyone agreed that hiro was likely scum. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:40 Karshe wrote: I don't remember this at all, are you sure? Cthsazsa is a zombie, he doesn't have any bombs (that was me, but I'm out of ammo). Well stefftastiq did something like "the crazy cat lady has chosen hiro" It's not a bomb, but well, he chose hiro to go down with him should he die that night. | ||
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On June 16 2011 07:51 stefftastiq wrote: no, I've said nothing about bombs! afaik - atleast I have no PM's about it The Joker has planted a gas cannister on Mig with a 1 day timer. The Joker has attempted to kill Rean. (no bomb) and then I got The Crazy Cat Lady has chosen GMarshal. oh right, my memory sucks then I could've sworn it was the other thing. | ||
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Shoot Cthazsha, he death vigs redFF, and we lynch Karshe if both turn up town. GMarshal does not introduce anyone to the circle That leaves us with Amber Rean GMarshal Stefftastiq Palmar if there is still a scum in this thing, then GMarshal sacrifices Stefftastiq and I shoot GMarshal then Rean and I lynch Amber if that isn't enough. In fact, I want everyone in town to agree to this. | ||
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I want people to say they agree, or amber can wiggle his tail at my post. Tonight: Shoot Cthazha, who will death vig Karshe Tomorrow: Lynch redFF Next night: I shoot GMarshal That should cover it, aside from mafia kills? | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:08 Rean wrote: Palmar, your plan assumes mafia cannot shoot at all. Might wanna think about that. yeah I forgot, that's why I'm revising it. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:10 redFF wrote: Palmar, i agree with you up to a point, there are 2 scum on the barundar votecheck, 1 dropbear, the other is accounted for by GM's miller role. IF Me, cthazsa and Karshe are dead and the game isn't over, then you kill GM. You are failing to account for scum's 1 kp too, i imagine they will shoot into that nice big list of confirmed townies tonight. But yes, cthazsa if you are town you should deathvig karshe, but that won't happen lol, so if you are town you will deathvig me, don't go all viscera eyes and kill palmar or anything lol. yeah, my post was hastily made. I assume steff, amber or rean will die tonight | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote: Yeah, did we forget about steff? He is a person playing too, and could be scum, kind of important to account for. Well there were 2 mafia on the jackal lynch, and those are your miller role and dropbear. So he's kinda clear-ish barring a godfather role. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:11 Rean wrote: ....Hold on a second. According to my votelists, assuming GMarshal is a mafia miller, everyone on it returned town to alignment checks. There's a grand total of one person that hasn't been submitted to a listcheck: redff. Vig him. oh wow, yes, the bumatlarge lynch. Good catch. | ||
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I mean, Palmar lynch | ||
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I suggest lynching GM tomorrow if redFF isn't mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:13 Karshe wrote: I am fine with your plan, Palmar. Although, the way I wrote Cthsazsa's role was: the night following your death, you can kill someone. So it would go: Tonight: Shoot Cthsazsa Day: Lynch someone (most likely redFF or Karshe) Night: Cthsazsa and Palmar both get a KP I'm not sure why I worded his role that way, it's kind of stupid... but too late now. well he's not getting shot tonight, as the vote-lists exclude anyone but redFF. | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote: No worries. You just won the game for us ^_^ The night action has been sent. I'm going to sleep, see you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Palmar lynch bumatlarge Eternalmisfit Kurumi Jackal58 Karshe GMarshal Amber[LighT] Cthsazsa Rean hiro protagonist Jackal Lynch GMarshal Palmar Rean DropBear stefftastiq Amber[LighT] this clears everyone on those lists, and that happens to include steff, rean, amber, cthsazsa, karshe, palmar but not redff | ||
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On June 16 2011 08:47 redFF wrote: holy shit lol fair enough, guess I'm being shot. As for town, I have very little idea on how to proceed from here. We have a gf, a mole, or rean is lying. I don't think rean is lying, and i'm not sure if there would be more than 2 moles. So a gf is the most likely option from my position. Obviously with all that has happened i would think that you guys would trust that i am town, but with the listcheck i think it's fairly obvious i am getting shot tonight. GL everyone, here's who town should look at after I die. GM Karshe Cthazsa This game has had a very derpy town(me being one of them) and I have very little faith in you guys actually pulling out a win. GL anyway lol. Just because i flip town doesn't make GM auto scum, although it would explain the how everyone seems cleared. Just to re-iterate GMarshal is exactly as clear as I am, he is not confirmed town, all that is confirmed is that he is the reason for 2 mafia appearing on Rean's votelist. Shoot GM palmar, i know you'll make the wrong decision tho I've sent the night action, so yes, you're dying. GMarshal will have to be lynched to confirm Rean's lists tomorrow. There is no way to continue this game without removing you two. | ||
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Assuming everything on the board is correct, redFF is mafia, so we kill him Assuming everything on the board is correct, but GMarshal is both miller and scum, we kill him. If GMarshal flips miller, we're back in a situation where we have to analyse the remaining players | ||
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On June 16 2011 17:39 GMarshal wrote: See thats the type of thinking that gets towns killed. What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway? Its irrelevant, redff will flip red, but that type of logic is absolutely terrible. If redFF flipped green you would want to try to find a gf, not kill a confirmed miller, especially with lylo fast approaching. @Csth, sorry for calling you a her, your name ends with an a, so my mind automatically makes you a girl. I'm sure I'll do it again, so I apologize for that too. This is the only logical way to continue. Are you kidding me? You of all people should know that role has nothing to do with alignment. If the person who created your role created a miller type role, he'd still have no guarantee that you're town, would he? So the defense of "What would the point of a miller mafia be, anyway" is ridiculous in this setup. And there are still good reasons for killing you. As I already said I have switched to action based analysis, and everyone has pretty pro-town based action. | ||
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On June 16 2011 18:45 Rean wrote: I highly doubt people created a miller type role. It sounds like something Deconduo did to balance things out, which means we probably also have a townie miller (godfather). Why wouldn't it get listed in the OP? | ||
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I'm gambling on Rean being confirmed town That leaves you, me, and Karshe. I want to lynch you, and shoot Karshe tonight. | ||
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On June 17 2011 06:37 Karshe wrote: I guess I forgot about Steff since he has been "confirmed" town for a day or so, hrm. Palmar, what reasons do you have for trusting Cthsazsa? I will not volunteer myself to be shot because I am town and it's the wrong choice... but our list of suspects is dwindling. He created Wiggles's role. | ||
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On June 17 2011 06:35 Rean wrote: I'm fairly confident that Cthsazsa is town. GMarshal being a mafia miller just makes no sense, but it could be redff's role playing a part here. But I doubt GMarshal would've bussed DropBear like that. That leaves stefftastiq and Karshe, who both have used their roles in a seemingly pro-town way, but they haven't really done anything else. I think they'd be the best lynch/vig targets for now. Something about stefftastiq just feels scummier though. ##Fistpound: Palmar Oh, and I alignment checked Amber but as you might have guessed that didn't really lead anywhere. Why did you check amber and not karshe or Cthsazha Anyway, what should we do? | ||
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On June 17 2011 07:04 GMarshal wrote: I have a plan, but it depends entirely on how sure you are of your read of Cthsazha. Are you willing to bet the outcome of the game on him being town? your plan depends on me trustin you're town. I'm going to take my advice from Rean. | ||
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One change, we lynch Cthsazsa the last day and he kills GMarshal I'll be the last man standing | ||
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The mafia will not kill Rean, as there is no point to it, I'm sure they will gamble killing Cthaszha trying to activate his kill point. I'm not sure how we tackle this problem. We can kill the town in any order we like. I want everyone to chime in and say their preferred order of deaths. Mine is: Lynch: GMarshal Shoot: Karshe Next day will be 3 out of Me, Rean, Cthazha and Steff. I want Cthzasha to target Steff this night, in case the mafia kills him. That leaves: a) Palmar/Rean combo, that will lynch whoever is left or b) Palmar/Cthzasha combo that will lynch Cth and he kills Steff. I want to hear everyone's thoughts on the order, and I want everyone to try to see any potential weaknesses in GM's plan. GM, my strongest town read atm is Rean, and not Cth. Cth and steff both give semi-town vibes to me. | ||
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On June 17 2011 08:27 GMarshal wrote: Look, this sounds idiotic, but I don't want to belmish my town record by getting lynched as a townie, do you mind saving me for last? I'll even vote for whoever you tell me, its just a question of pride. (yes, I know its stupid, sorry) No, because the hole in the plan is the (unlikely) chance of you being mafia and (again unlikely) having a sacrifice KP left. No offense, but I like my bases covered. | ||
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On June 17 2011 08:32 GMarshal wrote: RedFF revealed my role, I don't have any KP left, and fuck it, you know I'm almost guaranteed to be town. Lynch steff instead, Cstha has a pretty decent analysis of him written up. All I'm asking for is a little trust, for getting DB lynched at the very least. I think I earned it. This isn't personal. I thank you for your contribution, you're better than I am at this game. That doesn't change the fact that from my point of view I need to cut as many risks as possible. | ||
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And I'd like to hear Steff's night tellings. | ||
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On June 17 2011 19:31 Rean wrote: Palmar's plan is waterproof. It means we get a guaranteed win. Not following it would be nothing short of stupid at this point. The only change i'd recommend is shooting stefftastiq over Karshe because i'm 100% sure that Karshe's role is harmless at this point, and stefftastiq seems more scummy anyway. Let Cthsazsa target Karshe during the night and we should pull through. Cool Rean, GMarshal, Karshe or Cthsazsa, you guys need to switch your votes on to GMarshal. I will shoot Stefftastiq tonight as per your request. | ||
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On June 18 2011 00:27 Karshe wrote: Why GM over Steff? In case GM has extra knives or something? yep. and in case his cult has a majority win condition, and in case he's scum or third party | ||
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On June 18 2011 02:56 GMarshal wrote: Again, if we haven't won by tomorrow, you can lynch me, *thats* how confident I'm in my plan. how about lynching cthzasza to remove his kp, then i shoot steff. i have better town read on karshe than cth. | ||
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i think you are the remaining mafia, i think you have a knife left, you only used one to kill kurumi, the other is the still missing mafia kp from day 3 or something. even if im wrong, then im sorry, but my win is more important than your win. you played well, any side you flip as was lucky to have you. town, lynch gm | ||
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also, writing from my phone, so thats why my posts lack caps and formatting | ||
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it dont matter though, i am sorry if you're telling the truth. this isnt done out of spite, or anything like that. i have tons of respect for you, but this is a game and i want to win, so ill do whatever i think is best for town. im putting my faith in rean being town, and my entire revision of your plan is created around this. | ||
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but again, i want to win. | ||
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On June 18 2011 05:31 GMarshal wrote: And you will. Changing the order of the kills dosn't change anything except letting me win. Come ON! You *know* I'm town, I've done nothing but contribute (bar day 1 and 2, sorry about that). There is no case, I don't understand why you won't just agree to kill me last. I have no tricks up my sleeve, no aces left. I can only win if you let me. Point out a single anti-town action from me, a single post pushing scummy objectives. My posts weep of being green, and still you want to kill me for some undefined reason. I have no KP, and nothing I can do to hurt the town. Why? I still don't understand why rean's alignment is relevant btw, my whole plan was drafted around him being town and getting shot tonight, which is what is going to happen with 90% probability. I can win with you guys, I've been trying to all game long, and the possibility is right there within my grasp. Town is going to win no matter what, why do you want to steal my join victory.... *sigh* ;_; explain how I know you're town. you know redff1s' investigative ability has a 25% chance of failing. | ||
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Rean and I are town Cthzasza is neutralized because he can't die if he's mafia, and if he uses his ability it can be controlled. Also, you say you have a town read on him, so do I. I value your opinions GM, you're good at this. That leaves: Karshe, Steff and You. One must be lynched, one must be shot, and one must be targeted by Cth. So, we lynch the one that is the most likely to cause any shenanigans. We know for a fact that even if Karshe has bombs left, we will get information on that in the day post, and simply be able to lynch him, leaving one town alive. This means Karshe does not need to die before the next day cycle, so he will be the target of Cth's death vig shot. So that leaves you and Steff. One must be shot, the other lynched. Steff has never caused any shenanigans all game. We know you have a complicated role and a 25% chance of a wrong report from redFF. I simply believe that between the two of you, Steff is less likely to have anything up his sleeve. I would shoot you if I wasn't pushing for a lynch on you. The end result is always the same. Either we have me and Rean alive tomorrow, or we have me and cth. if it's me and rean, we lynch the third guy, if it's me and cth, we lynch cth and he bombs the person that isn't me. So yeah, this is why I want you dead, sorry. I'd shoot you in the night anyway, it must be done. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:17 Cthsazsa wrote: No, his role hasn't been fully claimed. That's the thing, steff hasn't done anything this whole game. He's managed to lurklurklurk and avoid all of our attention. Lynch steff, shoot Karhse. If we still haven't won then lynch me and I'll take GM down. Read my post above. We _can_ switch steff and GM But the rest remains the same. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:21 GMarshal wrote: You are costing me the game. We don't even know steff's role. No one has checked him and no one has claimed it. How do you know he dosn't have a gun. I don't have any shennanigans to pull and you know it. You just want me dead. I can accept that, but don't hide it under "oh its the best play". It isn't it makes not one whit of difference what order we do it in. You are ignoring a second major fact. How do you know its *mafia* we are dealing with. What if whats left is a serial killer. A list checking serial killer. I doubt it is, but it will be interesting to see what happens if Rean dosn't die tonight, no? Sure, cth is clear and so are you and lets accept that rean is. How do you know karshe dosn't have a hand grenade as part of his role? How do you know steff dosn't have a mindblast that can kill a player? You don't, you are just deadset on killing me. Of the three, I'm the only one who's role is actually fully disclosed, and confirmed by an outside source. Yet I'm the most likely to pull shennanigans? Once again, you have no real reason to kill me. Or at least no logical reason to. I have given the idea Rean is mafia a thought, I have a simple picture guide on my actions if this happens. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CDFIq.jpg) And no, I don't want to "just kill you". Once again, trust that I have great respect for you as player. So much that I find it more likely that you can pull shit like this off than Steff. But we have to either shoot or lynch you, or that is my opinion. I really don't want to fail town again. If Rean comes in and tells me I'm an idiot, I can change my mind. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:38 GMarshal wrote: Also, I never said "mafia" I said serial killer, which is a bird of a different color. But I digress, I *really* doubt rean is anything but green yeah, I wasn't going to draw up "mafia, or sk, or something else anti town". But you get the point. I've commited to that read, and I'm sticking to it, cause no one has told me I'm an idiot for it. I kinda rely on people telling me I'm an idiot. | ||
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On June 18 2011 06:43 GMarshal wrote: Oh, is that all you need? You are an idiot then, vote for someone else! did it work? nah, it needs to be 3rd party. But, valiant effort, nonetheless. | ||
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On June 18 2011 10:10 stefftastiq wrote: Cant believe you waste your lynch on me tho, wont give you any information except show I'm town Good night! We have to kill you, if you think Rean is town, it's the correct way forward. But I want to shoot you, not lynch you. | ||
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Cthzasza, you're selecting Karshe for your night kill. I am shooting Steff. | ||
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On June 19 2011 03:10 Cthsazsa wrote: Wtf. If you think he is scum, why are you apologizing? In fact, why are you voting for him Karshe? Palmar if you think GM is anti-town, why are you telling us what we should be doing tonight? Why are you guys lynching him "just cause" or because "we have to make sure we're safe"? From what it looks like you're not even sure if he's the right lynch. If we followed the other plan this wouldn't have to happen -_____- 1) Lynch Steff 2) Shoot Karshe 3) Lynch GM 4) Shoot me 5) I take Rean with me That would leave you, Palmar, as the last man standing. you're forgetting the mafia kp. | ||
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On June 19 2011 03:28 GMarshal wrote: I'd give you my thoughts, but since I apparently can't win anymore I have no interest in helping. You fuck me over, then I'll make sure you get the same back. I'm going to laugh and laugh at Palmar when the serial killer/mafia wins. You DO NOT lynch townies who are obviously not scum, but obviously that basic tenet of town play hasn't been absorbed yet. I'm sure that this spectacular loss will make it something to be remembered. yeah whatever. I know I'm bad at this, so what did you expect? I don't think you're obviously town, I think you're scum or 3rd party. But hey! I'm terrible at this game, why should people listen to me. If the TL town can't deal with one bad player, then either the games are imbalanced, or they're just not very good. I can't do analysis, and most of my gutshots are wrong, deal with it, or ban me from future games here on TL. Not that it's likely I'll be playing more. | ||
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Whatever, I'll be around to cast votes and night actions, not posting anymore. See you. | ||
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On June 19 2011 06:31 Mig wrote: GG guys. Valiant attempt GM, you almost managed to talk your way out of a confirmed vote check lol. Don't quit palmar! You made a couple huge errors in shooting varp and chaos but you made the right decision when it really mattered and probably saved the town. Oh right. Sorry, all what I wrote above was just bullshit. I just got slightly annoyed (but it also only confirmed my suspicions) that GM was going for "I'll make you feel bad" defense instead of "I am not scum" defense. So I decided to do the same, sorry about that GM. The only part I actually meant was the part where I said the people who ragequit were stupid. There's no excuse for that, I hope a ban awaits. I'm sorry for all the failing. If you guys want, I can stick up a post with my thought process throughout the game. It's been a bumpy ride, but if anyone is interested in knowing why I made the decisions I did, then I can provide that. In the meantime, I wasn't wrong on everything: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9662352 | ||
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On June 19 2011 06:38 GMarshal wrote: Sorry I was so abrasive palmar, It was all an act. I was trying really hard to get someone to switch the vote off of me. Again, really, really sorry if I offended you by calling you bad, you didn't play that terrible at all, I just desperately needed to make you doubt yourself. If you are pissed at me feel free to lambast me in PM's I had no intention of making you feel bad :/ If you quit because of me I'll be sad, I'm sorry ;_; don't worry about it, I was just counter-guilt-tripping you. :D ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ | ||
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Palmar
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On June 19 2011 06:56 Barundar wrote: Nope, it was unavoidable that town would get a number of confirmed innocents. Town was really, really bad this game, if we hadn't made them kill each others so happily they would have rolled us end game with a few confirmed. We only got one? I was actually thinking about shooting Rean over steff. But yes, list checks are op and this game was town favored. Anyway, one thing I really want to say. Great job everyone with creating the roles, they were almost all funny and interesting. | ||
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That was over the line, sorry. | ||
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On June 19 2011 12:19 chaos13 wrote: Good game town. Whoever made my role, thank you. It was awesome. Rean, I made yours. Hope you enjoyed it. Palmar, I sincerely hope you never ever ever get a vigilante type role again. Ever. Next time I'll shoot players in alphabetical order. | ||
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Palmar
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I'll explain. Step 1: Shoot DTs Step 2: Lol, the DT was a mole, claim town cred Step 3: I really hate DTs, let's shoot more of them Step 4: Shit, they don't like that, claim assassin Step 5: Get lynched Step 6: np, Get ressed. Step 7: Shoot more DTs Step 8: Win anyway I can vouch for it, this strategy has never failed me. | ||
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