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This should be fine decon as your scheduled to start after ver's game which is the last game of my bans | ||
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On May 29 2011 01:16 Torte de Lini wrote: I usually don't use my post count as a testament to something, but I think it emphasizes my strong activity :B and banability? | ||
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All them temp bans TL mods used to slap you with. | ||
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On May 29 2011 02:43 Torte de Lini wrote: 2 temp bans. Both being about the same thing that is relatively minor. 2 out of what; 4264? Over a period of almost a year (my first year on top of that) Good try. A strong emphasis indeed. Thanks, be gentle ;D haha, im just harassing you duder Welcome to the mafia forum. | ||
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On May 29 2011 02:53 Torte de Lini wrote: brb, I'm googling your criminal record as we speak. I think I'm going to lose horrendously at this game lol (sorry, i'm terrible at taking jokes/jabs about me, insecurity) Dude I joke about you being pasta on irc, im generally a laid back person until the game starts | ||
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On May 30 2011 13:26 Node wrote: By the way, if anyone is making a rolecheck role, if you didnt make it so you're given the role description with the check I will personally hunt you down. no giving tips | ||
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On May 31 2011 04:48 bumatlarge wrote: Nice role, good luck managing the game deconduo, everyone gets an improv power, and its up to you to figure how it all works out haha, I dont envy you. Balancing a game with so many powers would be insanely hard. Thankfully It's not me who has to deal with it. | ||
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On May 31 2011 04:55 Mataza wrote: I wish I had an unusual power t.t Begin this! Hi traitor? | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. Knowing someones role says nothing of their alignment. For instance, all of the mafia theoretically could have made roles for each other and claim they gave the role to so and so. Knowing this does not mean we would know they are part of the clowns gang. I say this because no one knows where their role was placed in terms of town or mafia. You could suspect possibly, but never knwo for sure. Without hunting down the criminals we will get no where. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:33 kitaman27 wrote: But BC is bad enough to instant rush to defend his mafia pal GM. Pff, i'd sell him out to the highest bidder. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:39 stefftastiq wrote: are there any good reasons why roles should be claimed / say who we designed roles for / who designed for us which exist in this game which doesnt exist in other games? and why would your make yourself target if you are to say to someone you made their role :-p There honestly isn't a good reason at this point. All it would do is clutter the thread with discussion over things that you can't easily pin a mafia out of. I said this in pyp3 and I shall say it again here. Knowing someones role doesn't determine if they are town or not. Their alignment does. We hunt for scum with analysis and whatever means people gave to players that flipped town. Past that arguing otherwise is wasteful. Lets catch scum, not ghosts. | ||
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Instead we move onto something useful. As the day progresses we determine who are people we deem high priority red targets. They get protection from whoever got a protection role. We set up a list on who we think may or may not be red and have our investigative roles check them. This forces discussion on topics that are very very hard to hide your alignment in. Mafia and town alike have to voice in and information is given. The Zodiac list is tried and true. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:57 bumatlarge wrote: Are we picking people based on past history or are we going to base it on the current game? IIRC, this inevitably leads us to making "townie-lists". After PYPI, I don't really feel like thats a great idea. But for the sake of discussion I'm all for it, since I think you are focusing more on what people are saying rather then the lists themselves. I'll nominate you and myself. Honestly the lists always will include people with experience but you should always base it on performance in the current game. As for green lists? no I don't care if someone is green or blue. If someone is playing insanely pro town, we try and keep em around longer, if someone is performing badly or very against town interests we check em and or hang em. Anyone not helping is part of the problem. I second your nominations | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote: BloodyC0bbler's plan is good for the first day, but we shouldn't play this game based off of who's on the "town list" and who's not. Protect the valuable, active players day 1, investigate the dudes with ulterior motives. I'd like to keep the kills to a minimum for the first few days. Save your bullets, guys. read my guide, zodiac list (which is what I proposed) is a good day 1 start. Past that you progress into a game with scum hunting. It merely provides a point in which town can organize itself and force the mafia into a situation where they make early mistakes. | ||
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On May 31 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote: @BC Isn't this only going to give us a vet/good player list for this game. Do you think mafia will purposefully remove their good players from their list? Mine for example would be: # GMarshal # kitaman27 # bumatlarge # Amber[LighT] # BloodyC0bbler # Meapak_Ziphh That's pretty much a list of players we think would be good as mafia no? not guarenteed. Every player has strengths and weakness'. Some far are better as town, others as mafia. Certain people have very specific and damning tells while others don't. The list is designed to put people somewhere where heat is on them. For instance, if I am on the dt check side of the list I have to make sure whatever contributions I make are very very townlike because if I appear too scummy, mafia can shove a frame on you (if they have the ability this game), town kp role shoots you, get lynched, etc... People with more experience than others may appear on it, but everyone has to discuss it. Do people like x as a med prot over a dt check. Why was this person excluded after their behaviour etc... It changes as the day progresses and forces discussion. | ||
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To much time has been taken up by this nonsense about ambers role. If he is a dt style dog, he will merely sniff and growl at someone tomorrow if they are red, or sniff and wiggle his tail if they are town. If he is a med dog he can hop around them and bark if he made a save and hop around and whimper if he didnt. If he is a vig style dog, he bites the dead body in thread and barks. If he is another role he can figure out an appropriate action to do but there, ambers role dealt with. He can easily communicate agreement or discontent or the like easily enough in thread. As for people posting base lists without any reasoning to them, Hi for fake activity. Anyone on the zodiac list should be there for a reason. Also no one is also mentioning a medic list with reasons behind it. huge FoS on that. FoS on kita for FoSing people and trying to shut down talking without contributing seriously then begins to derail thread talking about mason role (which we don't know if exists in a good/serious way as the claimed one atm seems to suck). He also begins discussing the information mafia has on roles. Seriously shitty behaviour. Once i am better caught up I shall post more comprehensive thoughts. | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote: I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol. So far I'm not convinced Mataza has done anything scummy yet. He made a strange move that could have been considered a blunder in SNMM and ended up being a townie getting lynched. So far my impression from him is that he's an active player that posts first and thinks later. No offense intended, Mataza! Hi, I know you don't know me and I don't know you. However you have yet to post anything meaningful or helpfully contribute in any way. You like one liners and playing the newb card. Please think constructively on relevant topics as opposed to randomly creating a green townie list, that serves no one in any helpful manner. | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:41 Eternalmisfit wrote: Regardless of redFF alignment, I am hesitant on lynching him on the first day. He is the only one who's role is semi-confirmed at this point (the only way his role is something else is that Amber and red are both scum). Also, his role is pro-town in nature which can be out to good use if the town controls his role usage. As long as his role powers are controlled by the town, it is unlikely that he is a direct threat to the town (given the fact mafia KP is constant irrespective number of scum alive). This, of course is dependent on the fact that his role is limited to PM's and does not have any additional powers. Even if it has additional powers, I doubt he can use PM and the extra power together (since that seems to break the role strength). So, as long as we have to force him to use him PM ability everyday, I don't think he can harm the town. Seriously stop talking about roles. They serve no purpose. If he is mafia, his role is pro mafia. If he is town, its pro town. IT does not matter if town controls where he uses it. If he is mafia he can easily manipulate someone into giving him information they shouldnt. If he is town he could link to a mafia and be manipulated into giving out info. Stop talking about roles. It is not constructive day 1, nor helpful. Roles do not win games for town, analysis and townies do. | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:43 Karshe wrote: As I said, I'm still getting caught up with everyone's posts, there is no need to be condescending. This is the biggest game I've played thus far so connecting everyone's posts to everyone's name and post history is something I'm still getting used to. I don't recall having made a green townie list thus far, my post was in direct response to Chaos asking what we thought about certain people. Your posting has shown you have been around so far the entirety of the game off and on. As such you have had more time to familiarize yourself with it and keep ontop of the posting. As such the majority of your posts should not be as useless as they are and appear to posts keeping you active for active's sake. Also posting your thoughts on a player you believe is town? How the hell is that helpful. Analyze someone you think is being scummy. Give solid reasons. I don't mean to be condescending but even you should realize just how off your play seems. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler GMarshal Meapak Dropbear Node Jackal. As of right now the list I have given should be the centered Zodiac list. You have all had your chance to talk about it and as no one has really done so there is the list. Everyone on it will have to be held carefully accountable for their actions. Most of us have a fair number of games behind us to give a decent interpretation of our play as town or mafia. Of this list, a few of us have appeared more town like than others. Now before everyone goes "sweet dt's dont check here" think again, as you are horribly off. Watcher or tracker style roles. This is the list you focus on. If we go out, if we get visited you want to know. It gives you the ability to connect dots of who is red and who isnt, who lies and who doesnt as time goes by, Standard role or alignment style detectives your job is to sweep everyone who isnt on this list. Start with whoever is obviously playing suspectly. Now, Medics, I will be posting a list closer to day end on what you guys should be doing. As of now there is not enough of a list for us to accurately center you on, nor do I really wish to give mafia a larger amount of time to discuss exactly how to deal with the list. | ||
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On May 31 2011 13:26 Mig wrote: Why is db on there BC? I have played both of my last 2 games with DB. He was extremely active last game as a townie and much more of a lurker as a mafia so are you putting him on there because of his inactivity? The one thing I would consider for that is we just finished a long long game yesterday so he might just be taking a day off before he jumps back in. He is there as he was a member of a mafia team directly coached by me. As such I interacted with him on a fairly decent level to know what he is capable of. One does not have to be a massively known vet to be good. | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:39 Rean wrote: Voting Torte de Lini aswell. He's yet to contribute despite being asked to several times, let's put some more pressure on him. How about you start contributing as well instead of presurring someone on their first game. Lead by example I say! | ||
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On May 31 2011 21:34 bumatlarge wrote: Also I want to note, just because someone doesn't have a lot of votes on them at the time, doesn't mean it isn't a wagon. It's a kinda noobie mafia play to agree with how someone is acting scummy, and not make any move in the voting thread. Most notably: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 12:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I come back from work to see a derailed thread talking about pretty well nothing. I am so glad to see town is so easily led astray by nonsense. To much time has been taken up by this nonsense about ambers role. If he is a dt style dog, he will merely sniff and growl at someone tomorrow if they are red, or sniff and wiggle his tail if they are town. If he is a med dog he can hop around them and bark if he made a save and hop around and whimper if he didnt. If he is a vig style dog, he bites the dead body in thread and barks. If he is another role he can figure out an appropriate action to do but there, ambers role dealt with. He can easily communicate agreement or discontent or the like easily enough in thread. As for people posting base lists without any reasoning to them, Hi for fake activity. Anyone on the zodiac list should be there for a reason. Also no one is also mentioning a medic list with reasons behind it. huge FoS on that. FoS on kita for FoSing people and trying to shut down talking without contributing seriously then begins to derail thread talking about mason role (which we don't know if exists in a good/serious way as the claimed one atm seems to suck). He also begins discussing the information mafia has on roles. Seriously shitty behaviour. Once i am better caught up I shall post more comprehensive thoughts. On May 31 2011 17:21 Mataza wrote: I have been sleeping over this and it´s bugging me. So here´s the thing: There are things we are not expecting(yes obvious). We have 33 people and 33 roles. Yet Mafia have only 1 Kill per night. A reasonable amount of people for scumteam would be somewhere around 5-9. This is not slightly off balance, this is "WTF is this shit?". Looking at these numbers, I would refuse to play the mafia side, because of pointlessness. So my take is that there is a huge area we don´t know shit about. I could think of several options, but the point is, this is not helpful. I just mean to say we shouldn´t be surprised to either 1) see people killing without actually having a killing role. 2) see that mafia team has a strong density of killing roles. 3) find out that we have a rather high number of neutrals(like upwards of 4) Now this info alone is useless. However it would become more useful if we had an idea about the number of existing killing roles. Come the next day I would suggest claiming whether or not one assigned a misinformation or killing role. Because killing and misinformation are the antitown traits we should get a grip on them. In another instance, I reread kitaman27, chaos13, meapak, varpulis and cthsazsa. None of them scream red to me after rereading. Varpulis has been a bit erratic since before the game. cthsazsa has been extremely short in posting. Nothing much to work with, other than added unusefulness. chaos13 seems rather legit. Other than asking why Karshe paid attention to his list, talking about the only person on the list he knows, there has been nothing odd. Meapak was maybe a bad call by me to check in the first place. Without any meta knowledge I´d say he looks 100% ok. Then again, people often use past games to judge veterans and I didn´t. Kitaman27 on the other hand is experienced and looks quite erratic. Rather short and unhelpful, while also very quick to vote. Unless some vets tell me that is normal, this is going down as scummy in my book. His only longer post is about Mason roles in general. Everything else is short and choppy. Barring an extraordinary defense, Kitaman27 is guilty in my eyes. On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote: I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: Agreed. I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. Gee, three people thinking someone is scum with no votes in the thread. I can't really say much about BC, he's just giving an FoS, and probably has other people in mind. Hard to say, but it's funny that after he says that, mataza and prplhz take advantage of that. And it doesn't matter what kita's alignment is when analyzing you, since you never put your vote on him! I'll take note of this, thank you for your participation You've noticed people following me around too eh? Glad to see I'm not crazy and seeing things that don't exist. You will notice people jumped on the harass karshe wagon as well when I was pressuring him. Simple things to look for and two sets of eyes are better than 1, we shall find the mafia sheeping sure enough. | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:54 bumatlarge wrote: I am retarded. Anyway, tnkted are you planning on telling us anything or do you want to drag this roleclaim out? Honestly, with all the day 1 RC's and soft claims going on, I honestly think we should hold back pushing for more roles. Gives mafia free stomping grounds potentially on what roles to pick off. | ||
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On June 01 2011 01:19 GMarshal wrote: I disagree with you on policy bum. Policy is one way to distinguish scum from town. If we systematically kill liars then no town is going to lie, and it makes scum think twice before lying, because they know that if they do then they will be killed. I think we might agree to disagree on this one, but I think policy is a good thing. The LaL system is very very hard to enforce accurately though. A townie can lie under proper circumstances and is actually beneficial. In most games I have played in scum never has to actively lie in thread as most of their lies would be done outside thread via pms (in pm style games). In thread most lies come in the appearance of role claims. Mafia don't actually have to lie in a game in which there is a draft order or someone picked their role. Also keep in mind if you have a player like amber who is forced to talk like a dog in this game, and someone who apparently must say bro and fistpump people it could be that people may have to lie about their roles, or lie in general. This is a game where policies that may be usable in a general style game are not really relevant here. | ||
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On June 01 2011 11:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hi I'm on my phone and will be for a while, can someone tell me why people want either sandroba or tnkted dead? The person I picked out a while back (Tackster) is looking scummy as ever yet a lot of people have glossed over it. I'm liking node's posting btw, he's said a lot of good things and I think people should take note. Also BC and Bum, where are you guys? This thread is absolutely out of control and you two should be trying to calm things down. Just got back from work, catching up in detail now rather than post skimming and I gotta say. Why the hell are we still talking about sand? If hes mafia he will give himself up in the next day or so and with the rampant amount of people jumping on the "lets kill sand wagon" with very little defense of him I gotta say, seems like we are being let to bus a tard. I will now get a better idea of what was said but bleh. Also, GM your survey is horribly scummy, no one continue responding to it. | ||
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As for today, as no one can honestly agree on a suspect, I will be going through the thread and finding the few players who are spending more time derailing the thread as opposed to helping town and pushing to off them. Thread derailment is something scum benefit from and are more likely to push so would give us a "safe" day 1 lynch target. If anyone has objections to this lets hear it now and get the discussion rolling or lets move forward. | ||
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On June 01 2011 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote: @Cthsazsa & others concerned Right now, BloodyC0bbler is the most suspicious to me. His posts make me feel like he's speaking for the whole town, all the time. Almost as if discussions that aren't relevant to him...are scummy...period. And he's got followers, which is scary by itself. Pro-town..besides me (herp)....I'd have to say Amber. He's going to a lot of effort to contribute so far, and most of it has been relevant imo...by which I mean, I agree on most of his vaguely communicated reads so far. I also feel like Node is green. He's at least giving us his opinion, and most of it is fair that I've read. People I can't figure out... Jackal comes off as arrogant...but not so much scummy. Torte...from lack of posts primarily desk...very passionate, very adamant, very flighty GM...claimed early that he was avoiding doing pro-town things in case he's a mole. Essentially opting out of being a 'good' townie until day 3...when he knows for sure he's not a mole. This has been confirmed as feasible by...someone. What interests me is his very strict adherence to this policy. He hasn't given an opinion on anyone really, just asks questions. sandroba...knows what sandroba is doing. I like getting called out. I also like getting called out by people who have not even been reading my posts. You will find I have been encouraging discussion, even participating in it. However, this only relates to discussion which actually does something useful for the town. Something to organize us, something that forces people to reveal hints about their alignment. By concentrating discussion on areas in which the mafia cannot hide easily. All the discussion I have tried to stifle does nothing but allow mafia to hide or sit back while we argue and bicker. Your survey was no exception. It is essentially another "hi i like making" list posts that have no weight now or late game. I do appreciate you trying to point fingers at me, however your behaviour so far this game is pretty terrible. | ||
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I would suggest since he threw us back on this topic we look at the posts made roughly around that period. Once you were accused and your plan dragged back up too much time was spent on it, then on other non helpful discussions. We can analyze what was going on in that period that mafia would benefit from covering up. I am going through now a list of possible candidates for lynching for today. All of which will be responsible for trying to redirect town attention away from decent conversation. I will then emphasize of that list the 2-3 that should be considered for a day 1 lynch based on posting. No one raised any issues when I proposed this earlier so I will now follow through on it. | ||
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On June 01 2011 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: @BloodyC0bbler Tell me this list-guy. Why do you think I'm supposedly on the dog's unverified list? I have no idea, as I'm obviously inexperienced and, as you say, terrible...but I suspect it's because he either knows my role or my alignment. If your on his unverified list, it would mean he doesn't know what you are -_- seriously do you read what you type? | ||
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On June 01 2011 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote: @BC Not usually. You don't really have to be a dick, guy. I don't know what you're angry about SPECIFICALLY, but I know it doesn't have anything to do with me. I'm not angry duder. Don't take my posting to be angry unless you see mass caps and me calling you a retarded backwoods faggot or the like. I find being aggressive as I am a much better way to force people to step up than being nice about it. It also forces players into arguing. That in turn gives information that is used to analyze people. I know I come off as a dick, but if you sit back and look at what I'm doing the reason is pretty clear. It gives town information to work from, as well as helping you learn areas you need improvement in your game. We all have areas to improve, no shame in it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + -pushes anti town plans - wants to lynch all liars -attempts to undermine town plans -spends way to much time on ambers role -brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town -answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented Hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + -blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish -spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role -after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it - Tackster -Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those. prplhz + Show Spoiler + -wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup -sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time -aggressive posting while offering no substance -defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on -answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town -says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this) -refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1 Rean + Show Spoiler + -relatively inactive -attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on -sums up information already said. bartundar -inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about Now, obviously this is generalized and after a passthrough of the entire thread. There are others I have my eye on, but they are for different reasons. For day 1 purposes these players have all been extremely unhelpful or detrimental. Of the lot Varpulis has also contributed to constructive discussion so I would be satisifed leaving him alive for another day. Bartundar should also live another day to see if his inactivity will be a day 1 affair or a serious issue. His alignment should be gleaned fairly quickly based on his participation in thread. Of the group I would suggest we discuss the possibilities of lynching prplhz who has done very little constructive posting. Most of his posts have been sheeping others. He was for anti town ideas, and blindly defends tackstar without any real reason for it, while claiming one of tackstar and sand must be red. No one can know this for sure unless they already knew the role of one of or both of these players. I will be voting on him until he provides me with a suitable excuse for his shoddy play. If someone else would like to take a closer look at someone else on this list, or nominate another person by all means. | ||
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On June 01 2011 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: No, but there's a difference between being aggressive in your posting and just being insulting and rude. But whatever. Teach me how awful I am, if you think you can. And if you're alive that long. You have outright claimed once, and now soft claimed a completely different role. You have an issue with me being insulting yet then proceed to do the exact same thing. You have been very contradictory so far all game. | ||
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On June 01 2011 22:52 prplhz wrote: Okay I agree that there's no point in spreading votes like this. sandroba has had his share of pressure put on him and if people don't think that he slipped then I guess I'll drop my case against him for now. ##Unvote sandroba You were dead set against this guy to hang, then come near last minute to say "ill drop my case for now" meaning you still think hes red. Your just trying to hide your voting habits now on bandwagons and are waiting to jump onto the next one. You have done nothing constructive to help town at all today, which is to our detriment. You get my vote. ##vote prplhz | ||
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On June 01 2011 22:11 chaos13 wrote: 4. BloodyC0bbler's suspect list. From a player who I've heard to be as experienced as you, that was a terrible, terrible post. Most of the players on there are just inexperienced. Bad analysis =/= scum. Think if you were on a mafia team and had a new player or two who was ready to go post their excellent analysis on an unsuspecting townie. Would you let them do it and draw attention to themselves? I know I wouldn't. Noobtells are not scumtells. Actually, I would. People would go "oh hes just a noob and bad" letting me hide an entire red team in plain sight. It also gives your team more thread control as your team is active. I know I am not everyone as well so I do get where you are going with that line of thought. However, you must also remember this, in alot of mafia games not everyone on the team communicates. Some players just do their own thing at the benefit or expense of their team. No helping a player like that As for it the list I posted. Its a group of people primarily revolving around thread derailers. I then gave a brief outline of why. Its day 1, going through the whole "lets quote every post they have to analyze" is pointless. You could snag a red that way but its far less likely. Someones actions are more likely to catch someone at this stage. They posted badly, and more importantly, detrimentally to town. A horrible townie who plays in opposition of his team can be as destructive as a mafia member. Read almost any game in it with billmurray as town and you will understand where I am coming from. I understand you disagree with me, but the move is far from scummy. | ||
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On June 02 2011 02:42 Karshe wrote: Some of your posts have rubbed me the wrong way but this one I really don't understand. The first half--sure, that makes sense. It's completely feasible that a mafia could hide behind the noob shield and hope to coast to victory. The last paragraph, however, is what I'm not understanding. You can't have it both ways--either new townie players do their best to contribute and get accused of derailing or they fear posting and get accused of lurking. Of course the answer is "get/play better," and I would assume that is what they're trying to do. I can only speak for myself, of course. But I can say that you haven't exactly encouraged thoughtful play here. Attack the posts, not the player. It almost feels like you're trying to discourage newer/weaker members from posting. Why? One of my previous posts was raising my concerns in regards to Desk, which was waived off as a weak argument and largely ignored. Which is fine, I suppose, but I don't see why that would be labeled as derailing. I would rather look at players whose names haven't been brought up yet rather than bandwagon and vote for someone who already has 5+ votes. Which would you prefer as a follow townie? A noob townie looking for scum or a noob townie who doesn't post and/or is a sheep? Would you rather lynch a noob townie who you believe to be "derailing" or an inactive player? I'm not understanding your agenda. Another player who hasn't received much scrutiny yet is you, BloodyC0bbler. An example of this is GM voting for him as a throw away, "There's no way BC will be lynched tonight." One of your posts from earlier today began with: To me this is a scum trying to draw attention away from their active scum buddies. "Look at all those inactive scum that are hiding!" is what you're saying to me here, which I find highly suspicious. You have been very active, of course, but I question how much you've actually been helping find scum. Your big claim to fame I would say was your list here: + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2011 16:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Varpulis + Show Spoiler + -pushes anti town plans - wants to lynch all liars -attempts to undermine town plans -spends way to much time on ambers role -brings up GM’s first question post which was not town oriented. Uses to confirm GM as town -answers GM’s last questionnaire which was not town oriented Hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + -blindly agrees with almost everything vets say/far too sheepish -spends too much time on keeping conversation around ambers role -after town has moved on from ambers role attempts to drag conversation back to it - Tackster -Multiple cases again him in thread already, see those. prplhz + Show Spoiler + -wants LaL when it was agreed it doesn’t work in this setup -sheeps kita, sandroba and possibly others who are being pressured strongly at any one time -aggressive posting while offering no substance -defends tackstar, who barely has any heat on -answers gm’s questionnaire which was not pro town -says if tackstar is innocent sand is scum (no way of knowing this) -refuses to justify his read on sandroba(sheeping) while defending tackstar far too much for day 1 Rean + Show Spoiler + -relatively inactive -attempts to bring ambers role back up as town is moving on -sums up information already said. bartundar -inactive as hell for a vet and offers nothing substantive but rehashing things we have stopped talking about But I question how much this actually helped. It's a large list, sure, but the majority of it is inactive players or people who had already had multiple cases brought up against them. Unfortunately my activity will be low again today, workload is high and time is short. I will do my best to be more active than yesterday and post again before the vote today. My vote for now, however, ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler So let me get this straight. Your going with my biggest claim to fame is a post of lynch targets who are known to be derailing the town? Yet I have been one of the core people trying to stop people posting anti town ideas, pushing forward pro town ones. The list you quoted is a general list of thread derailers who have been detrimental to town. I made mention on the type of people I intended on listing and no one complained. As for your "lack of understanding." If a new player follows the guides we have available on the site, or reads past games, or in some cases plays on another site, they would all be aware of the style of posting you don't want to be associated with, be it mafia or town. Talking about important issues, or ones that force player activity are key. Pushing forward bad ideas, re introducing areas of discussion that the town has moved past from or deemed scummy, or redirected the town towards a completely unrelated topic where the one in current discussion is important are signs of someone you dont want hanging around. I have no issue with people analyzing me, but if you are going to do it intelligently. What you and visceraeyes are doing is trying to create a wagon in the last few hours of a day towards one of the few players attempting to keep a semblance of order in the town. Top it off with neither of you have seriously analyzed any of my posts, just cherry picked one or two instead of my contributions as a whole. 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On June 02 2011 05:44 Palmar wrote: Meh, I switched again, cause I'm just that baller. VisEyes wasn't getting enough on him anyway. Who wants to check out a bro and see if tnkted really won't hang? That'd be funny as hell. ##Vote tnkted you do realize viseyes was like 1 vote behind? soft defend? | ||
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Visceraeyes is the scummiest looking out of tackster, sand, and him so He gets my vote now. | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:49 redFF wrote: How is wanting to Lynch BC in itself is a scumtell? Yes he is good, but if you think someone is scum then you try to get them lynched lol. ALso happy birthday BC! :D Thanks although I still have 7 hours to go ! | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Town Veteran Zombie Targetting BC Your move Mafia. Rofl, have fun offing green blood holmes | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Town Veteran Zombie Targetting BC Your move Mafia. Also, if you are serious about your role, I will proceed to mock and ridicule you after game k thx! | ||
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On June 02 2011 05:57 bumatlarge wrote: zombies in this forum tend to be able to kill someone who lynched them. I really hope this is a desperate scum move by visc to get votes off him, but I think he would have said that sooner as sucm... I'm banking on this line of thought so i swapped my vote lol | ||
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*you should lynch sinani* | ||
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On June 19 2011 20:00 deconduo wrote: Any suggestions for PTP2? No list checks, incorporate pick their penalty, and shoot whoever gave me my role. Most wtf batman role I have ever seen. ALthough I didn't live to use my role into a night phase, the single best aspect of it was the rival condition bum had to meet if I died making me essentially unkillable via mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2011 06:53 Eternalmisfit wrote: -_- This was the original role I made (I did not know there was Joker in the game.. it was just added for fluff in text). Decon removed the mafia KP immune part and added the Joker link (retirement etc) later on w/o informing me. I made a role which could be used both as town and scum as the KP protect could have been used wisely by scum as well to save from vigi-hits. On that note, it would be nice to know who made the roles for whom. Honestly the biggest beef I had was the name of batman. Had I not had that listed I would have been an not good not bad role. Saying I was batman though meant I should have had something else to my power. Making me able to choose who to save out of whoever was hit at night would have done it or giving me a kp ability or the like. The name batman implies badass beyond belief | ||
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