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On June 04 2011 01:06 Kurumi wrote:
GM is the Leader of Cult. He can invite people to his Pm circle. He can kill member of his circle.
if he's town and you just outed the town pm circle...
Luckily I do think he is scum tho
##Fistpound Palmar
I'd prefer for you to kill Mataza or Gm tonight, but killing Bumatlarge is fine. At this point I suggest ignoring everything Kurumi and Wiggles say.
also ##Vote Chaos13
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Christ this thread is a mess.
Posting thoughts once I've caught up. Voting Wiggles cos of the day post flip.
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I'm back. Kurumi is correct he is a member of my PM circle or "cult" the cult powers allow me to induct someone each night. Early day 1 I pressed Kurumi for his alignment while faking third party and essentially convinced him to help the town as SK. Therefore his claim is probably true. As far as Kurumi's role goes it makes him really difficult to kill at night.
As cult leader I can sacrifice a member of the cult at night instead of recruiting someone to be a part of the circle, last night I attempted to recruit Palmar, however I was unable to recruit anyone as I was roleblocked.
Now that that is all said, gargantuan post coming soon, with my impressions and thoughts on every remaining player in the game, again sorry for my extended absence, but I had a lot of work to do and not much time to do it.
Since someone mentioned that I might be under the effect of a posting restriction I am not
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On June 04 2011 01:35 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 01:06 Kurumi wrote:
GM is the Leader of Cult. He can invite people to his Pm circle. He can kill member of his circle. if he's town and you just outed the town pm circle... Luckily I do think he is scum tho ##Fistpound PalmarI'd prefer for you to kill Mataza or Gm tonight, but killing Bumatlarge is fine. At this point I suggest ignoring everything Kurumi and Wiggles say. also ##Vote Chaos13
redFF, 
How about you tell us why you think GM is scum?
Also, I want to know why you're voting Chaos13.
Why are you voting him instead of Mr. Wiggles, who flipped scum?
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 1 OF 4
Chaos13 is extremely likely to be town and I don't understand the arguments against him
There are 4 confirmed (dead) townies on the day 1 vote list, 3 of whom were fairly major targets, and he voted for none of them. His vote isn't scummy at all.
He has done a lot of changing his mind, but he's pushed people quite hard. Only once he is satisfied does he leave them alone. He defended Varpulis, who flipped mole. He defended VisceraEyes, prplhz, kitaman27. He also attacked then defended sandroba, Amber and tnkted. The only person he attacked without retracting it was GMarshal, who never really responded to him or did anything to set his mind at ease. Reason for voting GMarshal and follows up with it with this explanatory post.
He's been trying to keep people on track consistently. He's been generating discussion. He's been extremely open and unafraid to voice his opinions, all town traits. The only thing I don't get is his reasoning for not wanting to shoot sinani. He doesn't really explain it at all, unless I missed something -_-
MAJOR ARGUMENTS FOR KILLING CHAOS13
Palmar says kill him "because he's scum".
Palmar's analysis. This is based pretty much entirely on his defence of Varpulis. Chaos defended at least 5 other players who were under pressure, some of whom have flipped town and none of this is taken into account. This is just cherry-picking.
redFF's reasoning for voting chaos13 is non-existent. I seriously hope your vote isn't following the same reasoning as Viscera did to BC. Targeting him cos he targeted you.
Lastly chaos, I don't understand why you asked for a vigi hit on yourself.
If you are town, suggesting to off yourself is a very very bad idea. Have you forgotten XXXIX already? Impervious voting for himself? AO, jaminz and elmizzt not defending themselves?
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Derp my role is activated by voting someone, I vote and I can pm him...Obviously Wiggles should be lynched. Read the thread...
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GMarshal's List of Opinions (Part 1)
Kurumi -SK and not a very good one at that. Had he stuck to the plan and helped me help the town he would have been fine, however he did not, and continues to missuse his powers. Its time we ended him, if not with a lynch today than with a lynch tomorrow. His role allows him to avoid night kills so beware of trying to shoot him to kill him
Karshe- I'm getting noob town reads from him, he has a couple posts where he tries to contribute, notably his accusation of BC, but other than that he seems to be trying to give opinions in his scant posts. He needs to post more higher quality posts before I can commit to a certain read of him, but I'm interested to see his thoughts.
Mr. Wiggles- on the wrong side of a dt check, sorry but theres no getting out of a lynch here, it happens. If you are town and a miller or something I profusely apologize, but we always lynch on the words of a dead dt.
Palmar- giving me town vibes so far, he is commited to an opinion, shot the mole and is firm in his convictions. The only scary thing is that he is playing this much like he played SNMMII where he was scum, so far he has done nothing to make me suspect him of being mafia and shooting the mole, which is an excellent mafia tool, makes me think he is more likely than not to be town
Eternalmisfit- he seems to refuse to commit to accusations, at all. this post really stands out to me as he gives plenty of opinions, but fails to accuse anyone, instead he casts doubt on everyone, thats the kind of play I would expect to see from mafia trying to sow dissent. This post is a clear example of "leading" without contributing, role action lists need specific names and reasons rather than "follow this guy's list"
chaos13- I'm not sure what to make of this guy, he generally fails to contribute, his major focus is calling redFF and Amber scum. I think Amber is probably town, as he seems to be trying to be of use despite his rather large limitations, so accusations against me make look at the accuser. He then accuses me with a case that is as solid as a paper mache wall. His attempts at focusing the town on a few lynch targets seems pro-town to me as it avoids the issue with all the votes being terribly split. His shouting match with Karshe also serves no purpose and hinders the town, although its not necessarily a mafia behavior as townies do this all the time too. This post suggests town to me, and posts from that point forward seem to scream green to me, in particular his frustration at the lack of an argument against him reminds me of my frustration at gryffindor (BM) in XXXVII where he consistently called me scum without an argument. chaos13's appeal to having defended townies is somewhat suspicious to me as well, scum defend townies as happily as town do. Right now I'm not ready to commit to his alignment either way, I'm willing to listen to arguments from both sides however.
kitaman27- mostly lurking, however he gives enough opinions that I'm leaning more town than scum on him.
Kenpachi- chaotic as usual, not contributing as usual, only "contribution" is the fact that he wants to lynch wiggles. You can stay for a while I guess, I just want a dt on you sooner rather than later if possible.
Tackster- hardcore lurking, no way for me to give a real opinion, his role claim makes me think WTF. I'd DT him simply to avoid having to waste any time/attention on him at this point
tnkted- you know what irks me? When someone is convinced of their own immortality and feels like for that reason they don't have to contribute. However tnkted does commit to one thing, tunneling sinani206, other than that he commits to practically nothing. He has more than some other players, so I'm willing to say he is green for now. Good possible DT check, especially since he defends tackster.
hiro protagonist- calls node scum with weak arguments, derails the town with focus on Amber, however after that he picks up his game considerably, his day 2 posts are odd, but I'm attributing that to him having role information we don't and attempting to entrap scum. So far I feel he is green, but I'm willing to rethink that.
Ok, this is part one of my list of opinions, I'll finish the rest of the remaining players after I get back from classes.
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oh and
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles
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On June 03 2011 23:10 Cthsazsa wrote:Mr. Wiggles is fucking scum.  I don't know why it's so hard for some of you to realize that. Most likely the other scumsters are the ones trying to defend Wiggles and the ones trying to divert attention away from his lynch by suggesting we lynch the SK's. Yes, we are going to deal with them later, but we need to lynch this obvious and confirmed scum TODAY. Fellow townies please stop playing like morons. Ignore posts by Wiggles and Kurumi. I advise you shouldn't pay so much attention to bum as well. Do not let those three guys influence your vote. Please use your common sense. That said,
How ironic. You say to use common sense, but you are doing your best to act against it. Has there been a single piece of analysis done that shows how I am scum? Has there been any argument against me that doesn't solely rely on the check in the day post? Use your head, man. There's two people, one scum, and one SK, both anti-town, who you don't even need to analyze. All you need to do is use a little bit of logic. Town saw red text in the day post, caught the scent of blood, and now you guys can't think of anything else. Stop letting your emotions rule you, open your eyes, and use your head.
On June 04 2011 00:54 Karshe wrote:
Also, as I previously said,
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles
We can't spend the entire rest of the game unsure if you are lying about your alignment and being the victim of a bus and run, hopefully you understand. Your death should help the town no matter what you flip.
The entirety of this game is spent being unsure of people's alignments, or maybe this town doesn't get that. Let me bold it for everyone:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CONFIRMATION OF ALIGNMENT.
I don't care, if a DT comes back with someone as green, or red. If there isn't any semblance of a case that can be made against them, you don't 100% trust the check, and if you reveal as a DT anyways, you're playing terribly. This is just a piece of general advice for the future, as a lot of the people jumping on me and not talking are newer players who are too naive to have distrust in a game of misinformation.
Mafia is based on how you talk, and what you do. It's not based on sitting around, and waiting for DT checks to roll in. Play with decent people, and they'll destroy you if you only rely on blue roles to win you the game. No matter how much redFF likes to call for analysis to be done, he sure hasn't contributed at all. Probably the only person doing analysis so far, is Dropbear. The rest of you are too content to jump on a bandwagon with the entirety of the mafia and scream "kill the scum" as you lynch another townie. This complacency will kill us in the long run.
Also, lynching for information is bad, bad, bad.
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On June 04 2011 03:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I like pie!
I like pie too,could we share recipes?
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On June 04 2011 03:52 Kurumi wrote:I like pie too,could we share recipes?
Not with confirmed anti-town, no, sorry.
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On June 04 2011 03:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 03:52 Kurumi wrote:On June 04 2011 03:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I like pie! I like pie too,could we share recipes? Not with confirmed anti-town, no, sorry.
Who confirmed me lol? I just said I am SK,GMarshal said too but I could lie to him.
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 2 OF 4
Kurumi is lying through his teeth and isn't to be trusted
I present Exhibit A, originally presented by Eternalmisfit but his post seems to have been bypassed:
On June 03 2011 06:20 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 06:17 Kurumi wrote:
Ok guys so there's couple of things.
Bumatlarge chosen my role. That may but may not indicate GM is scum. I told GM everything about my role.
Bum crumbs it when he talks about smelling things from far away.
I am Tarp Mage and I feel KP from galaxy away. I was roleblocked,thus I couldn't use my role. At one point in the game I said I could confirm Bum being scum using my role. His roleblock claim is FALSE.
I've chosen role for Prplhz. Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote:
I claim killing Sandroba.
Desk was a mafia hit.
Varp was Palmar's hit.
Prp was Node's hit.
Mafia has only 1KP in entire team? Does not compute
On June 03 2011 07:21 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:20 kitaman27 wrote:On June 03 2011 07:19 Kurumi wrote:
You are the Tarp Mage. You can smell traps a full galaxy away! You will be notified of how much total KP is possible each night. If any night KP is used on you, you can choose to negate it for that night. You will be notified of the source (Mafia KP, Vig, bomb, etc). If that KP source can be used the next night, it automatically targets you.
Your alignment is Serial Killer
Fine with You,Kita? Thank you, if this doesn't match what whoever assigned Kurumi's role please claim now. Also, what was the result for your kp check last night? Roleblocked.
He has claimed that he knows precisely who killed everyone. Yet he only is given the source, not precisely which player did the killing. He claims to have shot sandroba. But he was also roleblocked sooooo.....
The other major inconsistency is him claiming roleblock for the KP check, yet at the start of the day gives a detailed list of who he says shot who.
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DropBear,it was just me guessing. Wiggles claimed killing Desk - it is still Mafia kill,but not from their KP.
It was Node who was targetted by scum,veteran on town's side. (IT MAKES SENSE)
I killed Sandroba
Palmar killed Varpulis
Prplhz was killed by Node (Last will)
Roleblock blocked my role,not my "Serial Killer"
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Dropbear, little correction.
If I understood correctly, Kurumi´s alleged role tells him how many kp are possible.
The who killed who could have done by anybody really.
Varp was Palmar one and only target the entirety of day1, Node claimed, and Kuru claimed Sandro himself. What´s left has to be be the mafia hit. So no big revelation really.
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Also Kurumi, with no "lynch me" role in the game claiming SK can only be called forfeiting. There is no reason for town to claim sk.
The only reason really to claim SK is when you are scum.
Somehow people think you are less dangerous when you are "just SK".
So yes, you are confirmed as anti town.
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 3 OF 4
bumatlarge is also lying and I think he's Mafia.
Straight after the flip of BC:
On June 02 2011 06:15 bumatlarge wrote:
Well I guess I don't really have a choice but to act like a claimed SK day1. That's cool. I have to survive to win anyway, so I'll just ally with town for however long they want to keep me around. I'm bulletproof of course, so you would have to use a lynch on me, or maybe some bomb or BP-penetrating thing.
Yes indeed. Whatever is most convenient for you. Just don't dare shoot me tonight.
On June 02 2011 06:50 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 06:23 Varpulis wrote:I've got some thoughts about tonight. - Vigis need to be patient. I feel that it would be very beneficial if we held off on shooting for at least the first night.
- Lurkers and the others on today's lynch list need to get checked, so that's where detective roles should focus
I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements. It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety? From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request. Sure, all the complicated stuff was similar to BC's, I would know who he is, but couldnt reveal him or get modkilled. I would copy paste the PM, but that's against the rules. It makes sense along with BCs role. I can kill every night, so occasionally he might protect them or what not. I also "somehow manage to avoid getting killed". I'm assuming that's a vest of sorts. My alignment is Serial Killer. So I'll target whoever you guys want me to. Lynch me if I don't. I benefit if I hit scum now since you guys mislynched spectacularly, and offed essentially an OP medic role.
Assuming? Why on day 2 do you still not know the specifics of your role? Why have you not PMd deconduo about the specifics? They are pretty fucking important to you. Oh that's right, you haven't faked your own role PM yet.
I would bet lefty that this is doctored and probably entirely written by bum himself.
On June 03 2011 08:34 bumatlarge wrote:
You are Jack White, otherwise known as the Joker.
You are known as the clown prince of crime, the Harlequin of Hate, and the Ace of Knaves.
You are a highly intelligent psychopath with a warped, sadistic sense of humour. Your only goal is to show the world the genius of your comedy. You do this by inspiring fear and chaos within the ranks of all who dwell there.
You are not a standard run-of-the-mill Serial Killer. As the Joker, you can shoot every night to push your psychotic research. You also miraculously survive normal hits, leaving behind traces of your identity to the amateur killer.
Lastly, your life would not be complete without your arch-nemesis Batman. At the end of Night 1 you will be informed who this is. You may not under any circumstances have this player killed. You may not reveal their role to anyone. You must converse, argue, and joke with them. Threatening them only when you must. If this player at any point in time dies at night you will know who did it. You must then push to have them lynched during the following day (but not disclosing how you know they killed your rival). If they survive the lynch, you must kill them the following night. No one is allowed to kill Batman but you.
You must also survive until the end of the game to achieve victory.
Your alignment is Serial Killer.
On June 02 2011 09:42 bumatlarge wrote:
I believe that's easy to explain tackster. The joker is my role, an SK gets a role on top of his alignment. Batman and joker obviously were added into the game by the host, and we have predetermined powers. I believe there are other normal SKs in the game.
And would you really think the joker would b a town aligned role? If I had thought town was that gullible, I would have tried to tell everyone that deconduo wasn't the real host. My role leads me to believe I don't have a standard vest, as it specifically states I miraculously survive hits. Fairly certain protection piercing kp or lynch will kil me.
I think you should read more into it tackster then spreading false information. I'm not going to go against win condition which is to survive. Since that mostly involves not getting lynched, I don't really have a choice in not claiming.
Again, leads you to believe? You already know for sure and are hiding it.
On June 02 2011 10:03 bumatlarge wrote:
I dont really care what individuals say, I'll do whatever the majority wants me to so I can stay alive.
My reads? I haven't really been paying much attention aside from making myself look town. I doubt I would be able to get a good scum read day 1.
Rubbish. If you are SK it is of course in your interest to try and decide who is who. You are supposedly claiming to help direct town shots, you would definitely be looking at who you think is Mafia if you were truly SK. Also, good job outlining your plan.
On June 03 2011 06:08 bumatlarge wrote:
Roleblocked, touche scum.
Of course, how convenient.
DAY 1 BEHAVIOUR
He doesn't say.......... anything. Read his posts.
I play this game off my scum list. Well where is it?
??????
It is possible Palmar's fistpound does something :o.
There's probably a lot of KP :o
Herp
Amber may be useful :o
Voting patterns are important :o.
Comes off Varpuli for no reason and jumps on tnkted for no reason.
Jumps on sandroba
Giving reasons for your voting is important :o
All this stuff is attempting to blend in and doing absolutely nothing helpful.
CONCLUSION
Bum is lying about his role. He is actively avoiding looking for Mafia which contradicts the purpose of his claim. After the flip his only real choice to survive was to claim what he did. He was trying to blend in like hell previously to this. I think he is in fact Mafia not SK.
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DROPBEAR'S THOUGHTS PART 4 OF 4
Other assorted tidbits
- Bringing back BloodyC0bbler is an excellent idea. He's already flipped town. He's an expert player. Why not bring him back? I don't agree with the worries raised by Amber and others that his role could protect Mafia. From the looks of things, there are so many killing roles that the only time it could possibly harm town would be if he was still alive with only 5-6 players left and the only shot being a Mafia shot.
- Wiggles' claim of framed and his night action bussed is theoretically possible. Theoretical. It is however bullshit. The chances of everything lining up so perfectly are astronomically small. It assumes that there is a bus driver, it also assumes that there is a framer. There then has to be him being framed, which is 1/31 chance, plus sinani being bussed with precisely deskcaress which is some stupidly small number. The chances of all these things falling perfectly into place are negligible.
There is also this post which I credit for starting the ridiculous sandroba v redFF v Jackal58 melee and completely derailed town for several pages. Not only this, he was jumping on whatever bandwagon was gaining speed at the time without starting any of them. His scum flip is no real surprise. This claim of being DT checked because he was on a zodiac list is rubbish. The point of the zodiac lists was NOT dt checking those on it.
- I still don't understand why I'm on the zodiac lists and I would LOVE an explanation.
- This thread is reeeeeeeeally hard to read. Please stop posting every little thing that comes into your head, only post if you have something important to say. I'm having massive problems getting scumreads cos its just spam spam spam. Keep it concise and need-to-know.
- The level of roleclaiming is ridiculous. My spreadsheet can't keep up with the notes. There is so much information out there now that Mafia can use and I encourage everyone who has not roleclaimed yet to stay silent, at least until you have something very important that requires revealing yourself.
-GMarshal if you were roleblocked, how the hell are you supposed to have added someone to your mason circle? Or is that a day action?
- Fistpound list Day 2
Returned fistpound that was offered by Palmar
Offered to Palmar without being asked
Kenpachi
Rean
Kurumi
Mataza
tnkted
Cthsazsa
hiro protagonist
steftastiq
sinani206
Refused/ignored invitation from Palmar
deconduo can you please update the list of people who have died and the important post links in the OP?
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EBWOP: On BC, it would only harm town if there were only 2 shots left, a town one and a mafia one.
Also redFF whoops sorry forgot about your role 
Do roleblocks on Kurumi block his night shot, his KP check or both?
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I didn't start that stupid argument on day 1, that was just redFF being bad again.
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