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Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______-
guess I will just have to wait till people come back here.
some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role.
##vote Mr. Wiggles
There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me.
Im fucking confused
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There were no predetermined roles or alignments. I just tweaked one or two a small bit to suit my needs. Roles have NO indication on alignment, and each role you see was at least 95% picked by a player.
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On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______-
guess I will just have to wait till people come back here.
some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role.
##vote Mr. Wiggles
There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me.
Im fucking confused
Did you not read what I wrote? This isn't a scum master plan. All hits on sinani were redirected to desks, to stop all hits on him, like a bus driver, in order to stop anyone shooting him and reviving BC. This way, no matter how many people shot sinani, no one would hit him. This wasn't an ability that was used on me, it was an ability used on sinani, so if there was a watcher on desks, or even on sinani, now would be a good time to say something if you have relevant information. A frame on me, is completely irrelevant to hits on sinani being redirected to desks. The two things were two different actions, on two different people, that just happened to line up and cause this chaos.
Mafia didn't need to know my role. They didn't need to know desk's role. All they needed to believe was that shooting sinani would bring back BC, and that they didn't want that to happen.
Also, lynching sinani, seems like a bad idea, don't even bring it up. He's claimed his ability only works on being shot, and so did his role creator. I'm thinking there might a scum with a role that lets him post through dead people, and that explains BC. I discussed a similar idea for a role with some people before the game, so it's not too far fetched. I still wouldn't risk lynching sinani regardless of why BC posted, when anyone who knows anything about the role denies lynching lets him revive people.
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On June 03 2011 15:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 14:53 hiro protagonist wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that theres a lot of talking going on outside this thread. -_______-
guess I will just have to wait till people come back here.
some thoughts: Wiggles has got to be the vote. As jackal pointed out, there is very little chance that Mafia could have planed that. They did not know his role, I did. (unless he revealed his role in some mansion pm, but that does not sound like wiggles, or there is some daytime dt). It also makes sense for him to use his bullets, as if he is hit, he has no more of them. good to get the most use as soon as possible. The only thing that bothers me is Desk as a hit. why kill him, as he was not terribly useful imo. should the very unlikely happen and Wiggles flips green, Cthsazsa becomes my top suspect, as he gave sinani his role.
##vote Mr. Wiggles
There is not a lot of discussion about the God Damned Batman's after death statement. I would like to hear what people have to say about this. Why did he say Lynch? does he know that it would not bring him back? does he think hes scum? Writing this, I realize no one can answer it. But it bugs me.
Im fucking confused
Did you not read what I wrote? This isn't a scum master plan. All hits on sinani were redirected to desks, to stop all hits on him, like a bus driver, in order to stop anyone shooting him and reviving BC. This way, no matter how many people shot sinani, no one would hit him. This wasn't an ability that was used on me, it was an ability used on sinani, so if there was a watcher on desks, or even on sinani, now would be a good time to say something if you have relevant information. A frame on me, is completely irrelevant to hits on sinani being redirected to desks. The two things were two different actions, on two different people, that just happened to line up and cause this chaos. Mafia didn't need to know my role. They didn't need to know desk's role. All they needed to believe was that shooting sinani would bring back BC, and that they didn't want that to happen. Also, lynching sinani, seems like a bad idea, don't even bring it up. He's claimed his ability only works on being shot, and so did his role creator. I'm thinking there might a scum with a role that lets him post through dead people, and that explains BC. I discussed a similar idea for a role with some people before the game, so it's not too far fetched. I still wouldn't risk lynching sinani regardless of why BC posted, when anyone who knows anything about the role denies lynching lets him revive people.
I read everything you wrote. We have come to different conclusions. un-like others I am willing to concede that you are town. but its very unlikely. If anyone else comes though with more info regarding the night actions that could change my mind, please do so. And that role description is amusing BC would go along with allowing someone to post through his account. Whats stopping him, or anyone else, from saying "fuck off, this is my account!". Very unlikely role imo...
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EBWOP: I am sorry Mr. Wiggles but you have to see it from our point of view. If you flip green, then thats a god damn Shakespearean level tragedy of events 
that after the Vis tragedy would be cruel indeed.
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Talking about what Cobbler said after death is inconclusive. Normally he wouldn´t be allowed to talk after death anyway, so chances are he didn´t do it out of his own.
Now just one little thing I wan to add regarding kills and lynches.
We have 3 bulletproof anti town people.
Bum and Kurumi who claim to be SK and Wiggles, who was revealed as scum.
Of the 3, only Kurumi can be killed normally in 1 night. He is SK, therefore he should be done with 2kp. I know a certain brofistdeathraydispenser who is not roleblockable and has 2 kp. So yeah, after 12 fistpounds Palmar should kill Kurumi.
Wiggles and Bum are invulnerable at night. If I recall correctly, Bums role cannot be verified by someone in the game.
There should also be reasonable doubt that Bum is in fact part of Scum. People here like to think both sides need experienced players for an even game.
Now given a Joker and a Goddamn Batman, these people being Bloodcobbler and Bumatlarge, if they were town and scum, it would be pretty even., doesn´t it?
Now if I could decide, I would say we lynch both Wiggles and Bum tonight.
Yes, Wiggles can kill and had check that revealed him as scum. He needs to die.
But Bum is Serial Killer, he even said so himself. If someone(I don´t remember who said it) interpreted the joker role right, he can shoot with his role power and with the fact he is serial killer. So he would have 2 kills per night.
Now think about the possibilities what Bum could exactly be:
1) He says the truth and he is SK whos killpower is part of his role and has no alignment kp.
2) He lies and he is Scum with killpower in his role.
3) He lies and he is SK with a rolepower we do know nothing about.
Think about these possibilities.
Every single option is bad obviously, but the only reason to assume the least dangerous is true is to believe a confirmed anti town player.
(If we have the maker of the joker role in the audience, please speak up.)
I for myself do not believe one word Bum said so far. He is experienced, he knows we can´t force him to tell the truth.
Also from what I heard, I fear Bum as Scum Mastermind far more than Wiggles as Scum Mastermind.
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Yes but Wiggles is the obvious lynch because he has been shown to be scum by the day post and by steff's roleclaim. Bum could very well be scum, I would like a shot on him tonight tbh, but Wiggles is the clear lynch here. There is no need to discuss this Mataza. How about you try and scumhunt and contribute for the first time in the game :D:D Making a long ass post saying nothing is not contributing.
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Red, lay off Mataza, its not worth it...
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Dude, Bum is KILL IMMUNE AT NIGHT. Did you not get that?
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Lol when wiggles flips scum you are in so much trouble XD
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Serial Killer
You win if you are the last one standing. You have a bulletproof vest that can survive two night hits. You also have a gun that has two bullets.
Bum claimed complete invulnerability, Kurumi claimed SK. SK can survive two night hits. You can't shoot him to death, you have to lynch him.
So no, I'm not the clear lynch here. I am not "confirmed" scum, there is no such thing as confirmation, until you flip, I'll say it again. Bum and Sandroba have claimed to be anti-town. There is absolutely no reason that town would claim anti-town. So, you're going to lynch me, who is town, over two as close to confirmed as can be anti-town players?
Personally, I believe that Bum is mafia, not SK, and that he can be shot at night. I'll be willing to use my second shot tonight, on Bum, to call his bluff.
Kurumi, I believe him when he says he's the Serial Killer. This means, we can't kill him at night, and that he needs to be lynched.
So here's what I see in the thread:
You want to lynch me, when I'm nowhere near confirmed anti-town, and keep both Kurumi and Bum alive. They are both anti-town, they've claimed so. You're worried about me using a kill tonight, when both Bum and Kurumi should have a kill tonight as an SK.
I say:
[*]We lynch Kurumi today, to lower night KP
[*]I shoot Bum tonight
[*]If he's still alive, we lynch him
[*]If he dies, you can do whatever you want with me
Put down your torches and pitchforks, and look at this logically. There's two people, who are both 100% not town, and you want to keep them around. That doesn't make sense.
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Why do you believe one of them claiming over the other? Mafia want's to push SK's that helps town you know...
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On June 03 2011 16:36 Barundar wrote:
Why do you believe one of them claiming over the other? Mafia want's to push SK's that helps town you know...
I believe Bum is lying, because of how it came out, and also because I don't think kurumi would be dumb enough to claim SK for no reason when there wasn't suspicion on him if he was scum. There's no guarantee that Kurumi is going to do anything to help town, and I highly doubt he will. He's impossible to read, and very erratic. He's already killed a town player, and he'll continue to do so in the future. Even if he agreed to work with town, I don't think we're organized enough to actually give him a good target, and we'll continue to spill green blood. Remove the temptation and the potential now to spare ourselves further suffering down the road. That's my line of thought. It also lets us continue business more quickly, instead of having to waste a lynch on an SK when there's fewer people.
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On June 03 2011 08:59 chaos13 wrote:##Vote: Mr. WigglesShow nested quote +On June 03 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote:
also, about the random shooting.
chaos13 really shot down any arguments against varpulis and I couldn't get any bandwagon going on the guy, so I decided to check what he'd flip, cause this gives me ton of info. And now you'll stop tunneling on me. Thanks.
Haha, not a damn chance bro. I will not rest till you get lynched.
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And yeah town, dw about it, i will use my night kills the way you want me.
If you get me 12 fistpounds, I can 1-shot a serial killer, so keep 'em rolling.
I'm re-reading everything to find scum beyond Wiggles, bum and chaos13
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On June 03 2011 14:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think people need to stop fistbumping palmar unless he says he'll use his power exactly as the town tells them. In fact the same goes for all claimed vigi type roles. Vigi is an easy role for mafia to fake and we've currently got a plethora of them, chances are at least one is scum so if we hold them accountable to the town that will be great for us.
Bro, I claimed the Varpulis kill, it aint been counterclaimed, and while bussing is always a chance, it's a stretch assuming I killed him as mafia to gain town cred.
Remember, Varp was a mole, so the mafia knew who he was.
And well, if y'all want me to kill a damn SK tonight, then ya better bring 'em fistpounds, cause I need 12 to ignore roleblocks, and do 2 damage (IE: kill a SK).
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Shouldnt it be safe to assume that the ones trying to lead attention away from Mr Wiggles are mafia? He showed up scum based on how someone made desks role - and I also got that medium message posted earlier - no town would "protect him" ?
right now it seems like both hiro and mataza both are trying to help wiggles live - probably because he got mafia kp?
@tnkted
may I ask what you vote for coagulation was for? :-D
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oh sorry - mataza wasnt supposed to be mentioned in that post !
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obtw, kurumi bro said I'd be invited to some circle shit.
But that aint true. I'm not in anything like that.
I agree with lynching wiggles tonight.
##Vote: MrWiggles
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On June 03 2011 17:49 Palmar wrote:
obtw, kurumi bro said I'd be invited to some circle shit.
But that aint true. I'm not in anything like that.
I agree with lynching wiggles tonight.
##Vote: MrWiggles
Yeah,because GMarshal lied to me and he is scum,he claimed roleblock too. He can KILL people in his circle btw.
Also You don't need 2kp to kill me.
It is 3KP or 4KP if I am not roleblocked.
2kp to destroy my vest 1 kp to kill me actually,with role I can block one bullet.
It is obvious for me that Mataza,GM,Bum and Wiggles are Mafia.
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