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On June 01 2011 10:28 prplhz wrote:
@Node
If you think that Tackster was really scum would he have ended his post with "KISSES xx". And you say that his post is easily not noticable, I just really think that it is. It is a very long post from a dude you haven't seen around a lot. I think if he were scum he would really have made that post a bit shorter, it might be the longest post I remember reading in this post so far. That said, yes it is full of fluff but I don't think we should judge people by their not being useful right now. This game is beyond complex and I don't think anybody has proved to be conclusively useful yet. I also think that in the likely case that Tackster flips green then we will have gained nothing except a wasted lynch.
So who do you think have conclusively contributed to this thread since you think that lack of contribution is a criteria for lyching? And why do you think that Tackster is the one who contributed the least? I mean at least he never spammed the thread like Kurumi or sandroba.
I hope to god you're joking about the kisses. This entire argument is WifoM. Tackster isn't just being useless, he's adding worthless posts to the thread.
This is a scummy defense, imo.
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On June 01 2011 10:56 prplhz wrote:
@Node
Would you really not agree that if you don't want to draw too much attention to yourself and your post, you don't write something in it that will wholly differentiate you from everybody else in the game? Such as writing something as insane as "KISSES xx"? I am not saying that it is that easy, I am just saying that if he wanted to go unnoticed with his post then it would have been easy and he would probably not try to call unnecessary attention to it. Like you do by writing crazy stuff like that.
I think your argument for voting for Tackster is pretty bad and I also think that if Tackster flips green, something I consider very likely, then we will have gained absolutely nothing except maybe a clear scum read on sandroba. But I know another way to get a clear scum read on sandroba that will even give us more information if sandroba flips green than if Tackster does. We flip sandroba!
WifoM. Stop using it as an argument. Why is sandroba red if tackster isn't, specifically? He's only mentioned him once, and it wasn't a compelling argument that really rallied the town to lynch him, just pointing out how bad the post was. Tackster flipping green would prove nothing about sandroba's alignment at all.
wrong != scum
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On June 01 2011 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, I've got a survey.
1) Which do you consider to be more scummy; Active Lurking or Thread Derailment?
2) During the night, who do you think is going to be a top-priority target for Mafia?
3) Given the opportunity to Bro-fist Palmar, would you do it?
4) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think has the most town cred based on this thread alone?
5) Between GM, Node and BC, who do you think controls the opinions of others the most?
6) Between Palmar's frattiness and red's Masonry, who's role do you find the most interesting based on information you have now?
7) Assuming you had the entire town's ear and you know everyone would believe you, what do you want to say FIRST?
If anyone doesn't feel comfortable answering my inane questions, feel free to ignore them. Everyone else, take note of who doesn't want to answer my inane questions.
No. This is just a waste of time. Guess who is guilty of thread derailment? Question 2 looks like a medic looking for advice or scum wanting to know who to hit. Question 3 has been discussed to death, and questions 4-7 are moderately scummy at best.
I guess you should be taking note of me now?
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I'm leaving my vote on Tackster so as to not spread out the votes and make it a 1 vote lynch, but I'd like to bring up a suspicious player. I'd like to make it clear that I'm not advocating lynching this guy now, but pointing out what he's been up to for later reference.
+ Show Spoiler [analysis] +Kurumi has already brought him up, and upon looking through his posts, I found a lot of scummy content. That person is prplhzhe's either absolute noobtown or scum being coached to act noob, like sinani last game. The thing is, if you look through his posts in SNMM II, he's capable of forming a logical, intelligent argument. in this game, however, he is doing quite the opposite. Some of his scummy gems: + Show Spoiler [regarding kita] + On May 31 2011 20:12 prplhz wrote:I'm gonna agree with the FoS on kitaman27. One of his first post is this: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2011 05:06 kitaman27 wrote:
Agreed.
I'm green with envy for your scum hunting skills. .. and I honestly do not know what to read into that. First time I read it I didn't even notice but I think it's a weird thing to say. The following posts are all without content, telling people to stop talking about dog+list. Then he just made his biggest contribution yet, in defense of himself. I consider this scummy. On June 01 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote:
I think I'm gonna vote for sandroba.
He came up with a crazy plan that got shot down like a lot of plans do. Then he claimed "LAL" and left and now he's back and defending his plan again. I am voting for him solely because I think that this is odd behavior and I don't think that I would ever act like that.
Other than that I think he is spammy. (though not as terrible as Kurumi who I think is actively trying to disrupt constructive townie discussion, but I don't think that he is scum so I'm not voting for him).
##Vote sandroba On June 01 2011 09:04 prplhz wrote:
@sandroba
Care to explain why you aren't scum?????????????????????????????????????????????
You reek of scum because of your behavior. I'm pretty sure I already stated this. You go batshit crazy every time anybody talks about you and this just not fits with townie behavior in my book. It might be double reverse WIFOM from my side retaining your point of view but I really think that you're not town.
Do you feel the heat sandroba? Yea it's not pleasant now is it? This especially is a terrible post. Mentions "double reverse WifoM" and attacks sandroba for defending himself, albeit aggressively. On June 01 2011 09:38 prplhz wrote:
@sandroba
If I were you'd I'd just accept my fate. You are going to get lynched because you act scummy. Now in the case that you are really just a bad townie acting aloof, you should really try to contribute before it is too late. Your analysis may become invaluable once that we know your alignment for sure. This one too. "don't even try to not get lynched, just contribute then when we lynch you we can look at your analysis." Bring on the hardcore defense of a lurker who posts fluff. On June 01 2011 10:28 prplhz wrote:
@Node
If you think that Tackster was really scum would he have ended his post with "KISSES xx". And you say that his post is easily not noticable, I just really think that it is. It is a very long post from a dude you haven't seen around a lot. I think if he were scum he would really have made that post a bit shorter, it might be the longest post I remember reading in this post so far. That said, yes it is full of fluff but I don't think we should judge people by their not being useful right now. This game is beyond complex and I don't think anybody has proved to be conclusively useful yet. I also think that in the likely case that Tackster flips green then we will have gained nothing except a wasted lynch.
WifoM(KISSES), could be a joke, then makes the terrible suggestion that we shouldn't judge people by how helpful they've been. On June 01 2011 10:56 prplhz wrote:
@Node
Would you really not agree that if you don't want to draw too much attention to yourself and your post, you don't write something in it that will wholly differentiate you from everybody else in the game? Such as writing something as insane as "KISSES xx"? I am not saying that it is that easy, I am just saying that if he wanted to go unnoticed with his post then it would have been easy and he would probably not try to call unnecessary attention to it. Like you do by writing crazy stuff like that.
I think your argument for voting for Tackster is pretty bad and I also think that if Tackster flips green, something I consider very likely, then we will have gained absolutely nothing except maybe a clear scum read on sandroba. But I know another way to get a clear scum read on sandroba that will even give us more information if sandroba flips green than if Tackster does. We flip sandroba! So the Kisses thing is a serious defense? What? repeating defenses of Tackster and tunneling sandroba. And now we come to his voting pattern. Votes sandroba, is extremely confident of sandroba. Suddenly, when more people start posting in favor of sand being town, he backs down. On June 01 2011 22:52 prplhz wrote:
Okay I agree that there's no point in spreading votes like this. sandroba has had his share of pressure put on him and if people don't think that he slipped then I guess I'll drop my case against him for now.
##Unvote sandroba "I've pressured him enough, not going to spread my vote" sandroba is (was?) up there on the vote count. Taking a vote off him is not helping focus the lynch targets. Then Kurumi starts to put on some pressure, and instead of refuting his points, prplhz does this: On June 02 2011 00:43 prplhz wrote:
@Kurumi
As do I with your vote on me. If you of all people want to apply pressure then maybe it's not me you should be voting for. You are not helping anybody in any way right now. On June 02 2011 04:06 prplhz wrote:
I am going to vote for Kurumi because I find his behavior disruptive. I think he has about 60-70 posts in this game so far and I bet almost all of them are one/two liners. I also have another reason that makes him scummy, he has done something that we all agreed townies should not do, but I cannot tell you about that until day2.
##Vote: Kurumi OMGUS, and not recognizing that Kurumi has been as helpful as I've ever seen him. his style is short posts, and this game he's had a lot of long ones too. Look through XXXIX, he plays very similarly, and gets lynched for it as town. I don't want to make that mistake again.
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Well, Tackster is pretty much worthless if his role is real. Stupid role, imo. Viscera is the only other person on that list that I might consider voting for, let me look through his posts before making a decision.
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I'm on the fence about VisceraEyes. Either he's scum and doing a poor job of it or town and doing a terrible job of it. I'm not going to go post by post because I don't have time to make a well organized post (20 min till lynch, want to give people time to respond), but in bullet point form: - He states the obvious
- claims not to see scumtells because of meta discussion
- his scummy as all hell survey
- the vet claim after, which is just about the stupidest thing you could do as vet
- wants to lynch BC (scumtell,scumtell,scumtell,scumtell)
- claims noob to avoid confrontation
- defends his scummy survey by saying it was supposed to be scummy
There may be more, but I'm in a hurry. Thoughts? At this point, he seems more scummy to me than Tackster, if Tackster agrees to step it up if we don't lynch him.
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On June 02 2011 05:44 Palmar wrote:
Meh, I switched again, cause I'm just that baller.
VisEyes wasn't getting enough on him anyway.
Who wants to check out a bro and see if tnkted really won't hang? That'd be funny as hell.
##Vote tnkted
and an utter waste of time if he's not making it up. He needs to get checked, not lynched, so that we don't waste our lynches if his role really ensures that he'll survive to the lategame.
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Viscera, put a vote on one of the other vote leaders, now, or else my votes on you for sure.
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Internet's freaking out, TL isn't loading properly. Voting Viscera.
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@chaos he gets a hit that goes through protection the night after he gets killed/lynched.
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goddammit. Nice job Viscera.
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Town zombie just did more damage than scum would have, assuming that BC got protection.
We're off to a bad start, to say the least.
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I've got some thoughts about tonight. - Vigis need to be patient. I feel that it would be very beneficial if we held off on shooting for at least the first night.
- Lurkers and the others on today's lynch list need to get checked, so that's where detective roles should focus
I have no clue what medics should be doing, and giving direct instructions will be beneficial to scum, so I'll let those with protective roles make their own judgements.
It's good that BC is willing to work with us. Because scum can't touch you, would you mind sharing the role/alignment in its entirety?
From your posts I infer that you're a survivor (3rd party), but the joker doesn't walk around unarmed. If claiming is a bad idea for a reason I'm missing, ignore this request.
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On June 02 2011 06:28 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 06:13 redFF wrote:On June 02 2011 06:12 chaos13 wrote:On June 02 2011 06:10 Kurumi wrote:On June 02 2011 06:10 chaos13 wrote:Two townies lost -.- Oh well, we can't blame Vis for taking out the player he felt was scummiest. Decon can you please do an official final vote count?  Are You advocating his decision? Are You crazy? No I'm not. I don't want people raging on him because he made a decision that he felt would kill a scum though. When you get people's emotions rising in a game it generally takes the fun out of it. he didn't feel he could kill a scum. He was mad, he is the one who has let his emotions take over. BC was not scummy, vis RAGED AND SHOT BC COS HE'S MEAN  Let's stop talking about Vis' decision. It's been made and there's nothing we can do about it. Instead, let's talk about what we do next. Why did Tackster not die? He roleclaimed and that was enough to get some people to shift their votes off of him, but I thought we had already established pretty well that role != alignment. I don't see his "death post" as being anything especially redeeming, especially since it was just enough to get someone else lynched. I'm particularly suspicious of Varpulis now, since his vote switch to Viscera had almost no justification. Also, I really really dislike that tnkted's defense amounts to, "you can't lynch me, nyah nyah". But can he survive night hits? I'm going to advocate a vigi hit on him until he proves his worth.
I made a post calling him scummy, decided to roll with it when he refused to listen to the town's request to put his vote where it mattered. On June 02 2011 05:43 Varpulis wrote:I'm on the fence about VisceraEyes. Either he's scum and doing a poor job of it or town and doing a terrible job of it. I'm not going to go post by post because I don't have time to make a well organized post (20 min till lynch, want to give people time to respond), but in bullet point form: - He states the obvious
- claims not to see scumtells because of meta discussion
- his scummy as all hell survey
- the vet claim after, which is just about the stupidest thing you could do as vet
- wants to lynch BC (scumtell,scumtell,scumtell,scumtell)
- claims noob to avoid confrontation
- defends his scummy survey by saying it was supposed to be scummy
There may be more, but I'm in a hurry. Thoughts? At this point, he seems more scummy to me than Tackster, if Tackster agrees to step it up if we don't lynch him.
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On June 02 2011 06:40 Mataza wrote:
Ah yes, redff is still angry at me for the pressure. Fine by me.
And apparently Viscera behaved exactly the same as in snmm2.
I however do not think we should be that liberal with our killing powers. For all I can guess town kp are limited. And even unhelfpul townies count towards the number of living townies, which are kinda important to not lose. So not senseless shooting please.
So my proposal for action is:
Jokeratlarge gogo kill chaos13. Or you´re next, obviously.
As for other night actions, if you can determine alignment go check tnkted.
Palmar, do we have a clear read on Varpulis from overfistpounding or just your analysis?
His analysis is out of date. It was a meta analysis because I wasn't being assertive. Lately, I've been playing a lot more like I usually do than I was before.
I always manage to lynch a townie day 1 it seems... My voteswitch off viscera came a minute after the deadline because my internet was freaking out.
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Don't kill Chaos13
Kill Mataza
Thanks for sharing bum. I was suspicious of Chaos13 a while back, but after looking through his posts he looks clean. Don't kill him.
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On June 02 2011 06:58 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 06:56 Varpulis wrote:
Don't kill Chaos13
Kill Mataza
Thanks for sharing bum. I was suspicious of Chaos13 a while back, but after looking through his posts he looks clean. Don't kill him. A bus appears!
huh? I agree that Mataza's scummy and that his death would be useful. Bum has unlimited night hits, and in light of that Mataza's the player i'd suggest killing. Do you want me to post a detailed analysis? I usually don't do that at night.
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I see no scum agenda in wanting to die when nobody is pressuring you, so I'm tending to believe Sinani too. One caveat: Nobody else visit him in the night if we're planning on killing him, for safety's sake.
Perhaps we use our friendly neighborhood Serial Killer so that any vigis with limited shots don't have to waste them?
Sandroba, how do you expect somebody who's not scum to identify scum every night and shoot them? It's an unreasonable expectation. imo we should keep bum alive for now, because he's coorperating. A DT check wouldn't hurt though, to keep him honest.
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On June 02 2011 10:42 redFF wrote:
goddamnit sinani...Just because i claimed doesn't mean you have to. For all we know Sinani could be a mafia PGO type role and will just kill anyone who visits him -_-
Which is why I said earlier that only the person killing him should visit.
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lol I was a mole? Lucky I played so bad 
Good luck town!
Before I forget... 
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