EPTHe didn't care about dying, he wanted to win. He thought taking prplhz down was important to him. Important enough to say things that ultimately got him lynched. Please consider this during the vote tomorrow.
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
He didn't care about dying, he wanted to win. He thought taking prplhz down was important to him. Important enough to say things that ultimately got him lynched. Please consider this during the vote tomorrow. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Thank you, that is all. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On May 17 2011 12:30 GiygaS wrote: Finally, more then 3 people talking! Welcome to the game prp and nard, nice to see some europeans now. Inactives: 2 Guys we haven't seen, may get modkilled. Can't make an opinion on them yet. Karshe: + Show Spoiler + Hasen't really posted anything good at all. Might get modkilled, I don't know about him. stefftastiq: + Show Spoiler + Hasen't posted much but a brief "hello". Mentionned something about people being trigger-happy. I'm a tad suspicious as he should have posted again by now. Deepblu2 + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 05:41 DeepBlu2 wrote: I am here. This is off to a good start. I am active..Not sure who I think atm. On May 17 2011 11:57 DeepBlu2 wrote: I'm leaning towards Mataza at the moment. I'm not positive yet but just the fact he's defending himself so aggressively and has been caught with a couple of contradictions while blaming others as well. I'm going to be keep looking at his posts but he's my only suspect currently. I'm not saying it's definitely Mataza just the way he's handling himself is very defensive. Deepblu just posted so I haven't really had a chance to analyse his most recent post, but I'll give it a shot. His first post detailed how he's indeed "active" and he's formulating an opinion. Initially a bit scummy, if he hadn't posted anything, but he has now, so that lowers a bit of his suspicion. Based on his recent entry, he's leaning towards Mataza, based on his defensive stance. Overall, hasen't really produced much content, so I can't really say much about him. More active people: Mataza + Show Spoiler + Now, this guy seems a bit scummy to me, PROBABLY the most so far. The reasons have been brought up already: - He's implying he wants to become A leader of the town (maybe so he can control people? I don't know) - He is very defensive about his spot, very resilient to abandon anything. I don't know if this means he's mafia, but a person who goes out his way to say he's innocent seems a bit guilty :/ - Mentioned how many days Mafia has to stay alive. Good just be some helpful math. - HOWEVER after all this, he said he puts himself officially on trial. And he will only answer questions specifically asked at him. This implies he knows he has done wrong and wants to get a bit out of the spotlight. This is most likely because he's tired of constantly defending himself, but it could also be that he's Mafia and wants to sink back in to the shadows. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Also, he's got my name wrong twice now (it's not gigays, or gigas, it's giygas  )VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + Got into Mataza as soon as the game begun, might just because he wants activity. The fact he HAS been avoiding questions to attack Mataza some more, which may imply he's trying to avoid them so that he doesn't have any answers. Don't know what I think of him, a bit suspicious. prplhz (anyone got tricks for this guy's name? )+ Show Spoiler + Seems very rational to me. Got some more discussion other then the back and forth between me, Mataza and VisceraEyes. Seems very pro-town to me, but once again, your best friends can sometimes be your worst enemies. I'm not very suspicious of him. nard + Show Spoiler + Kind of interesting. This guy has posted three times. Once to remind us all that it's too early to start making conclusions about Mataza, one that reminds us all that we have 48 hours before we have to make a decision and to take some time, and finally one that answers some suspicions on his first post, and saying he's not too suspicious of Mataza, and suspicous of me and Viscera (more Viscera). I don't know what this means, but IF we find out that Mataza is indeed a Mafia, I believe this guy is probably a cohort based on his behind-the-scenes support for the guy. I'm a bit suspicious of him. Palmar: + Show Spoiler + Has mostly mentioned inactives and getting some debate going on that topic. He may just be curious. That said, he was the first one to mention and notice Nard's post on being saying it was difficult to post the first time. Hasen't really added a lot of real content, but I believe he's pro-town. Only the minutest amount of suspicion. hiro protagonist + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 02:58 hiro protagonist wrote: Its true that lurking round is a good place for scum to hide, as there is little evidence to indict them. how ever all but 3 of us have posted and I doubt that ALL of the inactives will be scum... best bet is a scum has already posted, so we should try to sniff em out! If we don't have a good lead by tomorrow, then we should ask the lurkers to step up and explain themselves... That's his only post. Unfortunately, we don't get any background info on what country he lives in, so we can't analyse when he'll post. Unfortunate :/ The fact that he did add SOMETHING (scum have probably posted) shows he MIGHT be pro-town in his behavior. Don't know what to think on him due to inactivity. EDIT: Okay, he just posted another one that added a bit more content, so I moved him down here. Basically listing his suspicions. Seem's a bit more mafia now to be honest based on his bandwagonning to everyone else, but he may just agree with some people. EDIT: Yes, this is my first time EVER playing mafia, so this is a new experience for me. i'm gonna be interested to see if anything else develops. This is GiygaS first real content post. Please note that the only two people he doesn't really suspect are Palmar and prplhz. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 02:43 Palmar wrote: I mean, great success on the first day might render my approach irrelevant in this game, but you can't count on every game getting lucky with a loud-mouth the first day. Sometimes that same loud-mouth will be a bad townie. I don't want to lynch inactives. I want to threaten them with a lynch to the point they are forced to contribute to the game, and then we can start scumhunting. While written information for analysis is the best way to approach scum hunt, as I'm sure both you and mataza will agree with me in, vote patterns are also something you can base scum-hunting on. I am all for putting pressure on inactive people to step up and provide us with information, but I did not get much support for it last night, so I'll just admit... I'm kind of giving up on that approach, and gonna go with the ammunition I have at hand to get the baddies. I had a bad read on Gyig, looks like I had a good read on Mataza. I actually thought they were both townies pointing fingers at each other. But yeah, Mataza looks really clean now. But listen up here: I'm going to retract my first statement about only analysing the people who did not vote for Giyg. I went back and re-read all his posts, and he's so chaotic and bad, that there is a possibility of the mafia simply throwing him under the bus to gain trust, because he was always going to get lynched anyway. I'm not going to start pointing fingers just yet, but someone like purplehaze looks really damn safe now after being the deciding vote that got a mafia lynched. It's not far-fetched to think that any smart mafia would consider throwing their useless buddy under the bus to buy safety. Lastly: It is important to no end that VisEyes and Mataza leave their thoughts in this thread before day breaks, you two are by fare the most likely mafia targets. Of the townies that actually contributed on day one, myself and Kersha are probably safe, seeing as it'll be easy to convince the town to vote against us. purplehaze is in a weird spot, but I don't think he'll get murdered. Might post your thoughts anyway though. As I pointed out in the post referenced, I remain VERY suspicious of Palmar's decision to keep his post on DeepBlu2. Not only was the rest of town voting between Giygas and Skrammen, but his reasoning for keeping his vote on DeepBlu2 was 'Well, I saw no reason to change. I wanted them both out of the game, and one of them was going home' What I find interesting is that he viewed it from such a departed standpoint. WE (rest of Town) were already voting. I find this VERY suspicious because rather than taking a stand with the rest of his 'team', he let everyone else decide the fate of the lynch d1...as if he were a scum trying to not be on the wrong side of the lynch. Not to mention the fact that he states in VERY BOLD LETTERS I DO NOT WANT TO LYNCH INACTIVES - I WANT TO FORCE THEM INTO ACTIVITY WITH VOTES...but he doesn't change his vote when DeepBlu2 posts analysis THE VERY NEXT POST...he sticks with DeepBlu2 in spite of that. Based on shaky reasoning and absolutely NO analysis beyond "Oh, well, he bandwagoned."....most of the votes that day were bandwagon votes...and you know what? Mafia got lynched. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Allow me to offer up another, perhaps more likely scenario. One that doesn't rely on utter noobiness as the basis of its believability. Revisiting my scumlist we see that I had prplhz, Palmar and GiygaS. For this example, I'm going to assume you're all three mafia. At any rate, before your switch, we see that you and GiygaS were both voting for Skrammen. Not only does this effectively block the vote for GiygaS, but it allows Palmar to Off-vote (vote for someone NO ONE ELSE is voting for..very scummy behavior at the end of the day) to ensure that even if in the event someone switches last minute, he could swoop in and recast his vote for Skrammen. Good. Great. But then we take into account the fact that A) GiygaS is highly under suspicion of the most active (and most accurate so far) scumhunter, Mataza and B) He's playing bad scum and C) Mafia can converse with each other, it isn't far-fetched to believe that a last-minute switch from inactive Skrammen to obvScum GiygaS would not only clear your name ("See? I voted for scum too!", but pave the way for Palmar to then go on a witch-hunt of those who voted against GiygaS lynch. "But VE, why wouldn't Palmar just vote for GiygaS himself?" you might be asking...well, if you'll read the rules, the person with the most votes first is the target in the event of a tie...which would've resulted in Skrammen getting lynched anyway. BOOM HEADSHOT. GG Maf. Fire away...I don't even NEED to post anymore! Mataza, this is what's happening. They can't kill us both. I suggest Palmar first as he appears to be the brains. prplhz won't know how to cope.I included this post because it outlines my prediction of how the first day's lynch went down. Now that Mataza has flipped green, I feel absolutely confident that this is an accurate assessment of what happened. Also to add to this prediction, I feel it's worth noting that Palmar and prplhz haven't voted together YET in this game. As town we have to try and come to a consensus on who to vote off...as Mafia, it's dangerous to vote with your buddies as voting patterns can be analyzed. A common defense to this is to try and fool the town into voting who you want off, and voting seperately from your scum friends. Obviously this is a WIFOM scenario, but I do find it extremely convenient for them that one cannot put them together based on voting patterns. To close, I know I've been a very outspoken and peculiar character in this game. I know I've come close to quitting and leaving you all to deal with this mess without me...I'm sure some of you wish I had. I just want to say that this has been a VERY fun game and I've enjoyed playing it with you. (even the inactives ) Hopefully I'll survive the night and I'll get to play with you guys more when dawn breaks. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I stated this in the vote post, but I switched my vote to vote with town. It's going to be VERY important in the next few cycles. I realize that bandwagon voting is suspicious, but I stand by my vote and will not apologize for it further. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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##Vote: Palmar ...I'm just getting started! I agree with a vote for Palmar because DeepBlu2 was Palmar's target d1 and it's reasonable to assume that after the mafia missed their suspect for a PR n1 they went for the easiest candidate that suspected them n2. And since DeepBlu2 was suspicious of prplhz, he seems like a safe candidate for lynch d3 if Palmar flips red, for obvious reasons (at least to me...) | ||
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VisceraEyes
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I find it interesting that you're so certain I was in no danger of getting lynched. What, prplhz didn't like the idea? Thought you guys might be able to leverage my living the night as a way to discredit me? Fair enough. @prplhz I agree with your assessment that Wunder is probably town and there isn't much suspicious about Hiro. I assume this is leading somewhere in the direction of 'This guy is innocent, this guy is innocent...oh, what have we here Vis Eyes?'...but I'll go ahead and disagree with you in advance that VisceraEyes is suspicious. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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My vote was so sudden because I'm so certain. I assume Wunder feels the same way. I do not encourage you to vote quickly if you're not sure...please take all the time you need to analyze before you vote. But if your decision is to vote someone other than Palmar, I ask that you give a strong argument so that those of us who've already voted have the opportunity to consider your case and change our vote if necessary. As I've stated several times now, I think that voting as a whole is going to be very important to Town winning this thing in the end. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I'd say Skrammen due to inactivity... | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Inactivity is now a plague on this town. Who do we vote off first Mafia? I'll accept anyone who's inactive. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I also apologize for tunnelling you guys so hard. Looking back, I realized the only reason I suspected YOU in particular was your huge amount of posts (more stuff for me to insert suspicious WIFOM into) and your closeness with prplhz. As you appear to have answered for your closeness with prplhz, I'm going to go back and objectively go through your posts and see if there's anything suspicious (aside from your DeepBlu vote d1 which was the main point of my suspicion of you previously) at ALL. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
As for the post above this one, calling inactives to lynch...I've been VERY frustrated from the lack of activity from players like Skrammen and Wunder, posting once and voting every cycle, but literally doing nothing else the whole game. It doesn't matter if suspicion is cast on them or not, they won't be back to answer for it until a few hours after the cycle-post. This is bad for town because not only does it cast suspicion on them if they're green, but it makes them harder to spot if they're red. All and all, it's just bad for town this late in the game. Especially when there are a few VERY active posters who are A)doing all the heavy lifting because they're good at the game (Mataza, Palmar) or B)derailing scum-hunting by posting nonsense (GiygaS, VisceraEyes). I'm not sure how much I'll get done in the way of reanalysis (I'm at work, might be until the vote), but because he's one of my suspects (for reasons that should be clear by now...there's a lot of rhetoric, but there's content there if you read), and because Palmar's argument is so convincing and prplhz thinks it's a good idea too... ##Vote: prplhz If prplhz flips red, Palmar will be cleared as far as I'm concerned. Well played sir. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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I'm committed to prplhz at this point. I've already switched once today, and while I'm not necessarily concerned if switching again looks suspicious, I'd rather not because I'd like us to all unite and vote someone off as a team rather than the sporadic factions we've been pushing the last two days. @Wunder Palmar gave a convincing analysis on prplhz...PLEASE read it and consider switching from Palmar to prplhz...if for no other reason than to get a quasi-final read on Palmar before voting him off. @Hiro I know you don't want to die today. Voting with town will look really good for you. @Everyone else I know inactives have been getting a harsh rep this game. Come play with us, guys. We need your help. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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How do you feel about Palmar? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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I'm gonna go smoke a bowl and meditate on this. Sry prplhz. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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j/p welcome. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Good luck tonight everyone. I'll make a post before 10p in case I'm the target tonight (it looks less and less likely each day.) | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I suggest looking at Hiro, Stefftastiq and (unfortunately) Sinani for tomorrow's lynch so far. More in-depth analysis (with actual evidence) forthcoming. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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I considered calling ur bluff Palmar...I don't think you've got the guts. | ||
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