Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II - Page 2

On May 17 2011 21:48 prplhz wrote:
Yo people

I see that people have started voting now, around 16 hours before deadline. This is not good people. Unvoting is very suspucious and there is still plenty of time for people to provide material to analyze. Of course some claim to do it for the sake of discussion but I still think that this is very bad. In addition to this I do not think that any of these votes are currently well founded, they are wild accusations at best.

First of all, in my opinion, having perfect conviction and unerring foresight are NOT prerequisites to being a good townie. In fact, if people have it in their minds that unvoting is suspicious, they won't vote until someone tells them it's the right thing to do. People should make up their own minds and vote according to what they think is right for the town. And if that changes, that's totally fine. Unvoting isn't suspicious...what's suspicious is the TIMING of unvoting.

I also think that it is bad that people have removed focus from Mataza. While he might not be scum this town has him very much under control. He is very active and has agreed to answer every question directed at him. These are very useful qualities for town to find in a player, no matter if he is scum or townie. We should have tried to use these qualities to hunt scum.

So wait...is it bad or is it good that people have removed focus? You appear to have nothing against Mataza from this passage, aside from the fact that people aren't focusing on him anymore.

I would love to have waited with this post until GiygaS next post but lets just go ahead and do some analysis.

I do not think that Mataza is harmful for this town just yet. He is under control so far, I would like him to be more harmful for the Mafia though. So I ask this:

@Mataza : With the information available to you now, who would you lynch if you should lynch the player you think is most likely to be Scum?

Further evidence that you're okay with Mataza...asking his advice as you feel he has qualities you can use to hunt scum.

So I'm going to go ahead and do something that VisceraEyes has done several time. Point fingers at some random person for the sake of discussion. And this random person is going to be VisceraEyes himself. Some reasons (so it's not entirely random who I am pointing fingers at) for this:

1. He was the first person who point fingers at others. While he might have done this for the sake of discussion, I think that mostly scum would do this early on in the game. Townies would consider how the other person might be a townie and how unfounded accusations might harm the town, even if you made it clear that they are unfounded.

While this is a game of finger pointing, and we can't all do it simultaneously...being the FIRST to point fingers shouldn't really be a scum-tell...SOMEONE is going to be first, and there's no reason to believe that it will be scum.

2. He is often analyzing his own actions. This is something I think you would (should) mainly do when you are scum. There is nothing to fear as a townie, only thing you have to consider is how the town can benefit the most from your actions. While we would all like to survive this game I think this is done best by being honest and only analytical of the actions of potential scum.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'analyzing my own actions', but I've been nothing but honest and forthright with everyone from the beginning. Obviously there's no way to prove that, but I've also given you no reason to doubt me.

3. He has just something I would deem crazy to do if you were a townie. He suddenly said "this guy I have been bashing all game long, maybe he's not scum so I'm just gonna vote for someone and provide very limited rationale for this". This is not only very scum-like in my eyes, it is also harmful to the town.

Okay, speaking to this...I had a scummy feeling about Mataza from the beginning, and I FoS'd him. I didn't 'bash' anyone 'all game long'. Not only that, but I shifted my focus OFF of someone you've spent a lot of this post BUILDING UP as someone useful for town. I fail to see how me NO LONGER SUSPECTING someone you feel is trustworthy would indicate scumminess.

@VisceraEyes : Do you think that it is beneficial for the town that you suddenly make a 180 in letting Mataza off the hook and go full force against stefftastiq?

Off the hook? But...you....you said you....but...Guy, these contradictions are getting palpable.

Another player who has struck me as harmful to the town is Palmar. He has recently used some very questionable rhetorics to defend Mataza, and while it might be good that Mataza is not lynched, questionable rhetorics are always harmful to town. But on the other hand he also appears to be a very strong player who the town can make good use of later on, so maybe it is just a question of getting him under control

@Palmar : Why do you think Mataza is "innocent as a newborn baby"? Gutfeeling is not an acceptable answer


Think that was it for now. I will try to vote around 4 hours before deadline. Finals notes on what I think all townies should currently be aware of:

Lurking townies make it possible for scum to play lurker style too. I think everybody should get up and post some analysis, if you are a townie this is absolutely the best thing you can do. We still missing a couple of you but this is making the game very much harder for town!

I would consider any of the prospective modkills (Skrammen, Wunder) showing up in the nick of time to cast crucial votes for the lynching VERY suspicious. Even if they decide to show up now I think they will be very harmful to town if they don't post a lot in a very short amount of time.

It is very good to have people under control; the more they post the more we can ask questions and the more we can make ourselves sure that someone is scum/townie. We will probably have two modkills but maybe it will be beneficial to town to lynch one of the least active players, to set an example, to make the game more fun, to maybe hit a lurking scum!

Oh yeah and GiygaS; my nick is "purple haze" without any vowels or spaces