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kitaman27
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On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
So we have the 5 categories-4 candidates for lynching, as well as a general "others" category. There are 6 mafia. Mafia would split their votes accordingly. So there's one mafia on Incognito list, 1 on Kavdragon List. I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that there's only one in the "others" category as well. That kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?
Why is this a pretty reasonable assumption? You're treating it as fact, when it is clearly speculation.
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
You cleverly tried to hide the fact that I took two different candidates as including 3 and removed dead people to result in 3 in 5. Instead, you generalized my argument as "oh there are 3 mafia on one list" which I agree is pretty unlikely. That's not what happened, though, isn't it? its 3 mafia out of 2 lists, and they have kindly whittled it down fro 7 to 5 people. Tntked obviously stands out, and I'm curious as to why you'd cover up for him in your argument by totally ignoring him from consideration.
I didn't cleverly hide anything. I pointed out you created a list of your own choosing and said "look 3 mafia here!"
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 23:16 kitaman27 wrote:First things first. tnkted I'm assuming you're going to claim you didn't choose to select the busdriver? Also, can we get a confirmation that this isn't how the politician works and in a hypothetical situation that it was a bus, would it carry over into the night cycle?On May 14 2011 11:56 tnkted wrote:I really really want the bus driver role. I can bug him until I get what I want! Do you guys realize how quick it is to fill up an inbox with 100+ messages when you use an automator? I will bus myself again. >  jkjk, happy birthday! I do want bus driver though. As for Node's inventor item, do we agree that he should provide GMarshal a protective item? If GMarshal ends up dead, then we know to who to lynch, unless anyone sees a flaw in the plan? Chezinu should be the target of night shots. and Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:On May 22 2011 07:56 Node wrote:On May 22 2011 07:30 deconduo wrote:
If I die tonight, read my posts. Theres method to my madness, seriously.
And FOS kitaman, probably worth a lynch. I agree with the FOS. Kitaman hasn't shown himself to be on the town's side at all. Right, take the side of the guy pretending to be the village idiot. By the way, are you agreeing to protect GMarshal tonight or are you going to keep town in the dark and do your own thing like the last inventor? and Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 10:23 kitaman27 wrote:
*Pokes Wiggles
Shot within the hour? If Ver isn't around then we might have to wait longer than expected.
Are you trying to say these posts are scummy? I see a vig shot declaration on Chez, pointing out that tnkted was thinking about selecting the bus driver role, and pressuring Node to protect GMarshal in order to scare off a mafia hit.
On May 23 2011 03:07 Caller wrote:
To top it off, you respond to my argument that I'm pretty sure nailed you and the rest of your scummy team by making a straw man argument and then criticizing it. No shit my argument looks weak when you put it like that, anybody would agree its a weak argument the way you just shoved out most of the information and reasoning and content.
Wow, you nailed the entire scum team? Bravo.
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Night 2's over, sorry I was gone yesterday, I went fishing. :p Tnkted is the busdriver, or who else did you check last night, Ace? Reds better watch out, unless it's a town player, then don't claim it.
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I'm very interested in seeing the results of the police radio, do we have any ETA on that?
As for the lynch, I'm sticking by what I said earlier that someone on the Kav lynch was likely to be framed. (Probably incog). That said, I don't think we should lynch Caller just to "clear the list". I'm sure there are much better targets for today, than Caller.
Also, Ace, Radfield being alive still isn't suspicious unless mafia have a role-blocker. After 2 nights, no one has claimed to be RB'ed, so I'm doubting they have one. This means mafia have no way to kill him besides through lynching. So, if Radfield is town, mafia will push to lynch him.
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Oh oh, KavCaprio syndrome.
Why are you over reacting so much. Notice I said you're suspicious and didn't even outright call you Scum. I didn't even vote for you.
How did you glean so much extra information off of 1 line of posting? Stop panicking.
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kitaman27
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Also, what ever happened to the rose colored glasses? Did they fall into mafia hands or did they turn out to be completely useless?
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By the way show these posts where I pushed for KillerSOS to be lynched. I suggested that people could clear both paths (GM list and "chaffe list"). There is no blood on my hands with KillerSOS - I was the one who said his lynch was an effort to save Incognito. So once again, you're wrong.
@Wiggles: It is suspicious when taken in the right context. The other top picks have died so far, and neither Caller nor Radfield have been touched right? Then explain to me why. Also I didn't check anyone last night as I shot Incognito.
@Radfield: Since you're such an expert explain how all of the Mafia kills made sense.
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Regarding the role claiming:
I can almost guarantee something like this will transpire if I roleclaim.
Me: I am (my role).
somescum: NO I CC JOOOO
(mass dispute, I get lynched because I'm on the list and its the "safe thing to do.")
mislynch, we lose
If I claim I'm fairly certain this will happen and we will have gotten nowhere.
On May 23 2011 03:48 kitaman27 wrote:
Why is this a pretty reasonable assumption? You're treating it as fact, when it is clearly speculation.
Did you read what I said at all?
I didn't cleverly hide anything. I pointed out you created a list of your own choosing and said "look 3 mafia here!"
Apparently the assumption that 4 mafia were not on incog/kav implies 3 mafia were on barundar.
Its not 3 mafia on barundar, its 3 mafia out of 7 (two vote lists). you definitely hid this line of reasoning.
Are you trying to say these posts are scummy? I see a vig shot declaration on Chez, pointing out that tnkted was thinking about selecting the bus driver role, and pressuring Node to protect GMarshal in order to scare off a mafia hit.
Yes these are scummy. You didn't do anything here. All you did here was nothing. Absolutely nothing. You make no commitments, you play super safe, you just say "Oh do xyz that should be obvious to anybody thats been even remotely paying attention to the game." That's not contributing, that's just satisfying activity levels. You don't contribute, you just say common sense matter of fact things and ask questions involving roles and setup.
Wow, you nailed the entire scum team? Bravo.
I nailed at least you and your friends.
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I was the first one to vote for Caller in the voting thread. It was late at night, and I just wanted to throw my vote up first. To be honest, I do have mixed feelings towards voting for Caller, but I also don't see why I shouldn't vote for him, since he is the last person on the list.
Right now, I'm mainly waiting for Ver's post on the Police Radio. If GMarshal's list comes up, I'm inclined to believe he is legit and will be likely to go through with my vote on Caller; Unless something else comes up from those checks, or I just simply decide to change my mind for a "better candidate".
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@Wiggles: It is suspicious when taken in the right context. The other top picks have died so far, and neither Caller nor Radfield have been touched right? Then explain to me why. Also I didn't check anyone last night as I shot Incognito.
Like I said, no Role-Blocker. Scum can't kill Radfield with KP unless they have a role-blocker, or a role which goes through bullet-proof, most of which involve various forms of dying or suicide. After Night 1 there were no claims of anyone being role-blocked. So, unless scum were just trying to hide it in case a bullet proof townie showed up, they most likely don't have one. That said, there haven't been any suicide bombers or zombies, or anything like that yet, meaning that scum haven't had any other opportunities to kill Radfield that we know of. Beyond that, the argument is complete WIFOM.
As for Caller, as has been stated, he was purposefully left alive where two others on the Kav list where shot dead. So now, if the list is correct, there's GM and Caller, one of whom is scum. GM doesn't seem to be scum at the moment, as it makes no sense to make a list and then clear it so that you'll sacrifice yourself, whereas you could have "checked" the other list and strung town along for much longer. So, that leaves Caller. I've already made known my belief that someone on the Kav vote-list was likely to have been framed, so that's part of my reasoning for it. The rest becomes WIFOM however, much like your argument against caller, so it is mostly useless to delve into it.
I think we should wait for the police radio transmission as well, as someone may have checked Caller, or others, and we can compare that to the vote lists that GM has provided. There is a decent chance that the list will bea ble to help us narrow down our suspects, at the very least.
Ver, when do you plan on releasing the Police Radio report?
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If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?
Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.
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On May 22 2011 23:26 Radfield wrote:
I'm not wholly convinced that the kingmaker is anti-town at this point. So far his actions have seemed confusing to me if he was mafia aligned. Giving IS the lynch today could be a way to have boosted IS's townie-cred by bussing Chez, but that seems strange. Everything surrounding the kingmaker so far has seemed strange. Particularly taking kingmaker without taking politician. Caller, if this is your troll role, I think you should claim, as that would actually make sense. Other than that, I can't really imagine why a pro-town player would take kingmaker, but still... I'm confused. Am I missing a piece of the puzzle? Can anyone clear this up for me?
If the Kingmaker is town, he probably trusted me to kill Chez without hesitation, which I did. If the Kingmaker is mafia, he probably expected me to hesitate, and then the mafia could push me toward a town target and off Chez. I don’t think hitting mafia with Chez boosts my townie-cred at all, seeing as I was just doing what we agreed on during the night.
I also agree that – DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS OF THE RADIO – Caller should claim, and nobody else. Caller, you seem to be trying to dodge a roleclaim as much as possible. If we get a counterclaim, we're at least going to think about it: there are people in this town who aren’t made of wool.
Caller, there are 6 mafia. The mole is included in that count, and the Traitor is not. The traitor shows up as green to alignment checks, including votechecks. In addition, if the Mole is on either of GM’s first two checks, he will also have shown up as green.
I agree that the whole Foolishness-Chez exchange was incredibly suspect. Foolishness, if he wasn’t your lover, why didn’t you just flat out deny it and incriminate him once and for all? Instead, you did some wishy washy thing where you even said “we” at first. I’m all shifty eyes at this.
@Ace: There are actually a couple cases. 1) Mafia doesn’t have a RB. 2) Radfield is mafia. 3) Mafia simply believed there were better targets.
Lastly, I can guarantee GMarshal’s list won’t be the only one the Police Radio reveals. Caller GF, when held by a townie, is an alignment DT. We’ll get Barundar’s last words as well.
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On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote:
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If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?
Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.
Uhhhh....
Scamp and FW, the top two on the list were shot night 1.
On night 2, in major part thanks to you, it was publicly known that Radfield was BP. So, why would they shoot a BP townie on Night 2 and waste half their KP just to check he's BP?
They shot the very top of the list night 1 (So not Radfield), after that they knew he was BP.
So where's the inconsistency?
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Emergency!![[image loading]](http://images.publicradio.org/content/2007/08/07/20070807_police_radio51279274_18.jpg)
The Police Radio has sounded, revealing all of the results I sent to various detective roles last night!
Person A: InfiniteStory- Same
Person B: tnkted is mafia
Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT
Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5
Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10
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kitaman27
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well, this makes life easier
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Well, this is amusing. Is it clear that I am telling the truth now?
Also we now know what the rose tinted glasses did, they let someone vote check and whoever got them checked the KillerSOS list.
All that said we've caught a mafia
everything else can wait.
##Unvote
##Vote: tnkted
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i fucking knew it. Vote analysis 2gud.
kita you now look like shit. Tnkted don't seem like the type to get framed so we should get him. We kill the sure mafia today, instead of this bullcrap last person on the quite fucked-with list nonsense. its quite possibly lylo so we should kill surefire mafia always. anyways now kita see what I mean when I got your entire goddamn team?
regarding role reveal, I'd really prefer not to reveal my role right now, but I will do so if I get more demands for it.
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On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote:
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If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?
Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.
To be fair, not necessarily.
On Night 1, Mafia was clearly gunning for the top 2. FW took a hit, Scamp died.
Then me and you had a conversation regarding Radfield's role. If the Mafia didn't figure that he was the BP, they might want to risk to take a shot at him.
If you're Mafia yourself, the Mafia would have known he is BP anyways. No I'm not going head over to WIFOM land with you, but you get what I mean.
Right now, besides Caller, this is my pick.
I'd like to think at least two out of three here are Mafia.
Mr.Wiggles
tnkted
Ace
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Ok, so there was another votelist check. Which other role has a votelist check O_o?
2/10 on the KillerSOS list were mafia, and one was tnkted. That leaves us with 1/9, which is pretty damn sweet. It's not perfect, but there's a large number of townies on that list.
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On May 23 2011 04:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote:
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If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now?
Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit.
Uhhhh.... Scamp and FW, the top two on the list were shot night 1. On night 2, in major part thanks to you, it was publicly known that Radfield was BP. So, why would they shoot a BP townie on Night 2 and waste half their KP just to check he's BP? They shot the very top of the list night 1 (So not Radfield), after that they knew he was BP. So where's the inconsistency?
And Node was killed Night 2 along with Barundar
Flamewheel got a nuke bussed on to him
What don't you understand here? There was a concentrated effort to eliminate the top of the list. Radfield wasn't shot NIGHT 1, before he was revealed to be Bullet proof. Are you misreading on purpose here?
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