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kitaman27
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On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof?
Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly.
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On May 23 2011 04:47 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 18 2011 15:52 Ver wrote:Day 1 final vote Tally INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar On May 21 2011 13:09 Ver wrote:
killersos: 10
flamewheel
meapak
kurumi
deconduo
radfield
eiii
incognito
mr. wiggles
tnkted
kitaman
KillerSOS is to be lynched
So, between these two lists, we have 3 unique scum, as there's literally no cross-over. Doesn't that also mean that out of Bumatlarge, Caller, GMarshal, Fishball there are 2 scum, based on who's alive + scum counts? That does NOT sound right to me, especially since GMarshal is as good as town right now. I suspect there's one mafia out of Bumatlarge, Caller, Fishball, (guess who I think it is) and the mole is hiding somewhere in those two votelists.
This is another reason I think this framing claim is bogus. If there were any framing in the two lists here, then AT LEAST two of bumatlarge, caller, GMarshal, fishball are mafia no matter what.
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kitaman27
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On May 23 2011 04:57 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:55 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:53 GMarshal wrote:On May 23 2011 04:52 infinitestory wrote:
GM, were you indeed targeted and saved? You should have gotten a notification if so. No. Now lynch that lying scum. I would have immediately claimed had I taken a hit. He didn't say you took at hit, did he? LOOK AT THIS SCUM POS TRYING TO DEFEND HIS BEST FRIEND he knows that once tnktd flips that he done. He real done. kill kita tonight pls
So I'm scum because I point out a flaw in logic?
What is your role? You clearly aren't going to get night hit any time soon so why are you so focused on hiding your claim?
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On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly.
why not you silly man
you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum
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kitaman27
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On May 23 2011 04:59 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly. why not you silly man you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum
Role claim? 
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On May 23 2011 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:59 Caller wrote:On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly. why not you silly man you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum Role claim?
i'm not gonna roleclaim to scum. Don't need to give you guys more information than you already have. Once we kill you guys off and we start boiling down to the finish then I'll happily give up my last vestiges of information.
Or you guys could, you know, hit me tonight. Would save me the trouble of proving my own damn innocence.
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kitaman27
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On May 23 2011 05:05 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:59 Caller wrote:On May 23 2011 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:On May 23 2011 04:55 Caller wrote:
And Radfield, even though I'd love to say you're clear because of your bulletproof, that shit ain't gonna fly if you the godfather. If I were the godfather I'd pick bulletproof. Know why? Because I'll never get hit. Who would toss a night hit on a bulletproof? Then how did deconduo know that Radfield selected bulletproof as his godfather role? Are you implying that they are scum buddies or was that just a lucky guess? This accusation is silly. why not you silly man you're just digging yourself deeper and deeper. why don't you take a line from your own handbook and sleep with the fishes, scum Role claim? i'm not gonna roleclaim to scum. Don't need to give you guys more information than you already have. Once we kill you guys off and we start boiling down to the finish then I'll happily give up my last vestiges of information. Or you guys could, you know, hit me tonight. Would save me the trouble of proving my own damn innocence.
Fine don't role claim to scum. Role claim to the rest of town, because they certainly don't buy your story of selecting a troll roll either.
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I lied about being watcher because I had the town cred to do so, and I could prevent mafia from making abnormal fakeclaims. Threatening with information would help scare mafia. But my actual role will be more helpful. I dont have anything everyone doesn't already know, but maybe after tonight I can provide a service in the form of KP to town. I have my targets in my scope, I just need to figure out how to pull the trigger... 
GM and myself are pretty reasonably town. I'll let caller and fishball argue about how they got framed. We got a nice free lynch on tnkted, and we also know we have a lovely amount of DTs. Glad our town is smart. Mafia couldn't have known about the radio and tnkted had no reason to be covered while not on the last list iirc?
Easy peezy. Also infy's same thing is interesting. Hopeful that cop is getting good info.
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On May 23 2011 05:41 bumatlarge wrote:I lied about being watcher because I had the town cred to do so, and I could prevent mafia from making abnormal fakeclaims. Threatening with information would help scare mafia. But my actual role will be more helpful. I dont have anything everyone doesn't already know, but maybe after tonight I can provide a service in the form of KP to town. I have my targets in my scope, I just need to figure out how to pull the trigger... GM and myself are pretty reasonably town. I'll let caller and fishball argue about how they got framed. We got a nice free lynch on tnkted, and we also know we have a lovely amount of DTs. Glad our town is smart. Mafia couldn't have known about the radio and tnkted had no reason to be covered while not on the last list iirc? Easy peezy. Also infy's same thing is interesting. Hopeful that cop is getting good info.
I got framed? When did that happen.
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On May 23 2011 04:47 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 04:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 18 2011 15:52 Ver wrote:Day 1 final vote Tally INCOGNITO (5): Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness, Chaoser, Barundar On May 21 2011 13:09 Ver wrote:
killersos: 10
flamewheel
meapak
kurumi
deconduo
radfield
eiii
incognito
mr. wiggles
tnkted
kitaman
KillerSOS is to be lynched
So, between these two lists, we have 3 unique scum, as there's literally no cross-over. Doesn't that also mean that out of Bumatlarge, Caller, GMarshal, Fishball there are 2 scum, based on who's alive + scum counts? That does NOT sound right to me, especially since GMarshal is as good as town right now. I suspect there's one mafia out of Bumatlarge, Caller, Fishball, (guess who I think it is) and the mole is hiding somewhere in those two votelists.
I misread this fish, I thought it was another votelist-check. For the guy that got the radio, I sure am confused about all the DT actions.
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Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch.
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On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch.
I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT.
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On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch. I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT.
Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move.
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On May 23 2011 06:40 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch. I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT. Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move.
I don't think it was Ace doing the rolecheck. Ace killed Incognito.
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Ok so lots of stuff happening and almost all of it good for the town. Since we've been handed a scum I'll just get this out of the way real quick
##Vote tnkted
Now as for the rest of the mafia. Kita is one of them, I've been suspicious of him for a while now and the vote checks just helped confirm that. The rest of the mafia are in this pool of people.
Ace, Chaoser, Mr. Wiggles, Foolishness, or Eiii.
Out of these people I'm inclined to say the mafia is Ace, Chaoser, and Foolishness. Mr. Wiggles had an oppertunity to kill incog without much backlash when he had the king vote and he didn't. He's also played fairly townish (not screaming green like some but he's not acted overtly scummy). Eii I highly doubt is scum. He's been lynched as town for playing like this before lynching him feels like lynching KillerSOS. This leaves us with the scum team of Ace, Chaoser, and Foolishness. All of these players look really scummy. Ace is constantly tunneling Radfield. Why? Probably because he knows it's the only way mafia can kill Rad since Rad is BP. Ace also tunneled Incog to no end when Incog was a controversial person and therefore an easy target for a mafia railroad. Chaoser is a pretty easy one. Just look at a chaoser town game compared to this game and you'll see a marked difference in playstyles. Town Chaoser is helpful, does analysis, and generally contributes to a healthy town environment. Try and tell me he's done that this game. Foolishness is out of character as well. His whole exchange with Chezinu shows this. Rather than call out Chez for his blatant lie Foolishness sat back and neither confirmed nor denied it. I can't even conceive a reason why a townie wouldn't want to call out something they KNOW FOR A FACT is a lie. Also, look at town foolishness compared to this game's foolishness. Town foolishness is much like town Chaoser, contributive and helpful. This game's foolishness has hardly done a shred of analysis and is generally trying to keep a low profile.
I have some free time coming up and I plan to do a full analysis of Chaoser to prove my point. I'd also like to ask Bum or whoever did the Ace analysis to seriously go back over their own analysis and recheck their conclusions based on recent information.
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On May 23 2011 06:42 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 06:40 deconduo wrote:On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch. I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT. Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move. I don't think it was Ace doing the rolecheck. Ace killed Incognito.
I don't see what other role has a rolecheck? Maybe I'm missing something though.
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You appear to DTs as any role of your choice just like a normal godfather (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). You are effectively immune to any kind of rolechecks and general detective actions, including the modern detective type of rolecheck. You are also immune to votechecks. However, a mafia caller godfather will show up as red to alignment-only checks. In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being protected by a medic, martyr, or thrown in jail they are inducted into mafia! (only 1 recruitment attempt possible). The new mafia member is inducted at the start of day 4 if the conversion is successful. If a townie picks this role, the conversion acts as an expensive alignment check that follows normal DT rules.
Barundar couldn't have been the alignment check. It says the conversion, which works as an alignment check, is a night 3 ability. Meaning, we have an alignment DT.
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On May 23 2011 06:44 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2011 06:42 infinitestory wrote:On May 23 2011 06:40 deconduo wrote:On May 23 2011 06:24 GMarshal wrote:On May 23 2011 06:18 deconduo wrote:
Well its pretty clear that we caught one scum anyway. I'm just curious as to why the DT that checked him hasn't been pushing for his lynch. I think it was Baundar's Caller Godfather "traitor" ability, used for the good of the town. Meaning that we don't really have an alignment DT. Hmm, we can assume that the comparison DT is town as well as its a completely useless role for mafia. I'm interested as to why Ace checked GMarshal, that too seems like a waste if he actually is mafia. Maybe its just WIFOM but it seems like a strange move. I don't think it was Ace doing the rolecheck. Ace killed Incognito. I don't see what other role has a rolecheck? Maybe I'm missing something though.
Role Cop: Pretty sweet. You get people's roles!
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On May 23 2011 06:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +You appear to DTs as any role of your choice just like a normal godfather (you cannot change the role that you appear as after you PM to me). You are effectively immune to any kind of rolechecks and general detective actions, including the modern detective type of rolecheck. You are also immune to votechecks. However, a mafia caller godfather will show up as red to alignment-only checks. In addition, after Day 3, you may pm me the name of one person, and if they are not being protected by a medic, martyr, or thrown in jail they are inducted into mafia! (only 1 recruitment attempt possible). The new mafia member is inducted at the start of day 4 if the conversion is successful. If a townie picks this role, the conversion acts as an expensive alignment check that follows normal DT rules.
Barundar couldn't have been the alignment check. It says the conversion, which works as an alignment check, is a night 3 ability. Meaning, we have an alignment DT.
I disagree with your interpretation of the wording, but to be sure:
Does a townie Caller GF get to use his Alignment DT ability from the start?
I'm kinda surprised we don't seem to have a Modern Detective. That role is pretty OP for town.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 23 2011 06:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Now as for the rest of the mafia. Kita is one of them, I've been suspicious of him for a while now and the vote checks just helped confirm that. The rest of the mafia are in this pool of people.
Ace, Chaoser, Mr. Wiggles, Foolishness, or Eiii.
Out of these people I'm inclined to say the mafia is Ace, Chaoser, and Foolishness.
I'm not sure what vote checking lists you are looking at, but I fail to see how the vote check helps confirm I am scum. Assuming tnkted is scum, there is 1 scum out of the 7 remaining. How does the vote check confirm your argument? In addition, assuming there have been no covers, only one of Ace, chaoser and Foolishness is mafia. Did you even read the vote checks?
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