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 I can be active to a degree, however getting back after half a day to read 20 new pages and analyze them could be a bit too much. At least for now. | ||
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Well I think I have only one thing to say... Challenge accepted! | ||
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can I ask when is estimated the start (mainly concerning before/after upcoming weekend, since there're holidays and stuff) | ||
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sorry for my delayed posting but the game started in the night and I'm in Europe so that kinda sucked, but I see I didn't miss much. That being said, I won't be much around here until evening, since it's holidays and stuff and I gotta go visit family. anyway! Let's do this and get some scum. I hope there will be posts from more people when I come later | ||
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On April 22 2011 22:25 Enervate wrote: Exactly what the mafia would say:p yeah, exactly what mafia would do. You're on my list now  | ||
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as to role count, I'd say there's 1 roleblocker + 2 goons and 1 cop 1 doctor and rest townies. | ||
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Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria | ||
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Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon. I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation. phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post. 1. pHelix Equilibria 0 2. Rising_Phoenix 2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning? 3. HardCorey 2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died) then trying to confuse voting of inactive, and then voting! 4. FezTheCaliph 1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here" 5. Sirael 1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all. 6. Freestalker DAT IZ ME 7. Enervate only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_< 8. Conversion seems to be trying! +point 9. Jaminz so far 2 kinda empty posts. now voting 10. vyro 2 posts, so far also not too much, asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around) 11. aScle 1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say? | ||
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On April 24 2011 03:01 Conversion wrote: Hey, nothing to feel self conscious about I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah?And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing.. So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now. DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1? What are your current opinions of the players in this game? Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses? 1. I think unless we find someone who makes a huge mistake and reveals himself being a mafia, then we have no other choice. 2. Well I made that list of mine, it is probable it'll change over time. 3. I agree with lynches for liars and inactives according to what I mentioned in point 1. Townies have no reason to lie. If we catch someone - lynch. The problem with this many inactives is it lets mafia blend in. So if you have like 1 inactive person, you just lynch that one, no big deal if it's a townie. When you have 4, lynching all 4 of them is risky and takes too long while mafia kills at night. So we really need more activity. However, one should expect not all mafia members are lurking. Another problem is quality of posts. With this 'quality' I'd probably still have a look at few 'active' guys. | ||
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if you have some issue with your post, edit it/write what you want different in a new post. | ||
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I still have my suspicions on some people and am waiting for posts from jaminz, and hardcorey, Enervate still didn't really contribute with anything, either. I'm holding my vote there for now. Sorry bro. | ||
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And one thing that came across my mind that someone might find useful, when you change the url to contain ¤tpage=all instead of ¤tpage=## (## = some number) you'll see the whole thread in one page. It's easier to search through posts like that. | ||
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Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities. As it is, I now have few groups of people - inactives - Ascle and Sirael not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that. I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) | ||
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On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote: If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious. ##Vote jaminz Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm. I am sorry mate but your post makes no sense. What you're saying is - mafia members have more motive to participate actively -- are you saying townies are the ones less active in an average game? if so, you are very wrong. Passivity and no posting is an optimal ground for mafia to hide, since if noone posts, they don't have to post either. If they don't post, they can't make slip-ups and can't be analyzed later. huge long posts = a lot of information to analyze, sooner or later. The more you type the more you can be analyzed, the more consistent you have to be if you're trying to pull off some trickery. And one of those three votes is mine that has been there for quite a while and is going to stay there unless you give me a good reason to change this. | ||
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On April 24 2011 10:39 jaminz wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 20:38 freestalker wrote: In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not? Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria “Your (not our) lack of experience” seems to again imply familiarity with the game. The last sentence is somewhat intriguing. He mentions that he’s waiting for people to talk, and that people are eager to point fingers at those who are scum-hunting, but fails to do any scum-hunting himself. Curious. Again, not enough to paint him as red, but something to note : ) Ignoring this post is in the part concerning HardCorey -- I was refering to some players that were asking about things that can be found in almost any mafia guide they were asked to read and are pretty obvious, yet they still ask about them. Sentences like -- + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote: i hope i don't make too many mistakes. On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote: still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions: how are clues usually worked into the game? what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia? what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles what does a usual townie plan look like? thanks in advance On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. don't look fairly well to me. First one is putting excuses for 'mistakes' that anyone may make, as if being scared of slipping. Second looks a bit serious, even while implying he's a newbie (as anyone else here) and asking questions that have easily found answers in other threads of mafia. Third is scared of getting lynched and asking question that is also easily found in any other thread as people change votes left and right. I am not sure if the last sentence in this part is about me or HardCorey, so I'll just ignore that one. I'll probably answer some of this a bit further freestalker (22 total posts – our most active player) The first thing I’m going to note here is that every post (except like 3) has a smiley face in it. An enthusiastic town member, or a mafia trying to seem happy & town aligned? I think the former, but who knows. Yep, this may be true. I like putting smilies around mainly when I feel this to be kinda 'family' environment. Also I am pretty aware I am being a bit paranoid and critique almost everyone around, so I drop a smilie here and there to make it a bit 'lighter' ( ) About the post count, I am pretty aware some of them are posts that are asking for some stuff, or posts that were created when I remembered something extra. It's not entirely best way of doing things and making the thread spammy. I am aware of this and will try to make less posts that would be longer and try to think longer before writing down stuff instead of writing 3 posts in a row+ Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 00:41 freestalker wrote: Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person. Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon. I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation. phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post. 1. pHelix Equilibria 0 2. Rising_Phoenix 2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning? 3. HardCorey 2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died) then trying to confuse voting of inactive, and then voting! 4. FezTheCaliph 1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here" 5. Sirael 1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all. 6. Freestalker DAT IZ ME 7. Enervate only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_< 8. Conversion seems to be trying! +point 9. Jaminz so far 2 kinda empty posts. now voting 10. vyro 2 posts, so far also not too much, asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around) 11. aScle 1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it? Here’s his first big post giving a summary of everyone’s posts up until that point. Analysis strangely missing (for the most part). This post was mainly to drop some suspicion around, make some people feel not comfortable, while summing up all the posts so far. The intention was to - start discussion as people might want to defend theirselves and point out inactive/not contributing ones. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 02:06 freestalker wrote: mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw ##Unvote ##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say? He started by voting for pHenix, and now for enervate. It seems he’s just jumping from inactive player to inactive player. While I agree this was a bit too quick to change, the intention of voting for phelix in first place was to make him talk. This does not mean I am not watching him anymore. To be honest, many posts in this thread may put some suspicion almost on anyone, probably including even me. I am not afraid, though. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote: the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal. This strategy makes sense, and follows the same logic I would use. I am glad, even if it is kinda simple and straightforward strategy. Sometime I am not sure what I should post and what is obvious + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote: Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button. Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities. As it is, I now have few groups of people - inactives - Ascle and Sirael not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that. I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) He posts some analysis, but still doesn’t really say what he thinks about the people he mentions. Since he’s pretty active, I’d like to see a bit more opinions & evidence to back them up in his posts. Here I would like to point out you don't point fingers around too much either. There is not much to grab onto yet, IMHO and I don't blame you for that. I have suspicions, there are some connections that might or might not be intentional. For example. Few people that are not even in the list that I mentioned, but I'll write it now. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 08:36 Rising_Phoenix wrote: Well some people are probably busy with work or classes and some people are in all sorts of time zones, so give it some time. conversion points out that phelix is inactive. Phoenix jumps to defence. To be honest, I never really thought of defending anyone like that. Inactives are inactives, let them do something or they die. Most of them won't be lynched for inactivity in the end anyway. Phelix got targetted by conversion and me. hardcorey tried to defend him -- + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote: So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them. This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2011 23:48 HardCorey wrote: Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier. few minutes later, defending phelix in a way, implying we are wasting a kill on someone who hasn't posted, while votes can be changed and it has been mentioned before this is to force activity and just threaten people. Fear too much? few minutes later phoenix states the obvious and votes for phelix and hardcorey does as well later phelix comes with his confusing/feared posts with questions, [spoiler] On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote: I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes? Can the town change votes? Before the day is over. With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. [/spoiler] then gets untargetted and once feels safe targets an inactive member with random blabbing about the town. following the post with patting vyro on the back for doing a good work with analysis later phoenix comes with his maths, pointing out three inactive members and choosing jaminz as his target. a while later phelix joins him. last post of phoenix + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2011 11:39 Rising_Phoenix wrote: The reason why we're all targeting people with small posts is because we're trying to see if we can get them to post, and therefore get information about them. Also, as I said again, lynching non-posters are safe unless we have more information to go by. The problem is that who someone would act for a post would depend on the person. Is the over-analyzing person mafia trying to pretend to be a villiage or is it an actual do-gooder mafia? And here's another thought: The more we post trying to figure out mafia, the more the mafia is trying to figure out important roles: the doctor and the detective. Posting is a two sided sword. Post too much and people thing you're either trying to be too good or being too active for a reason, or too inactive you're trying to hard something. Sometimes an inactive poster is just and inactive poster for one reason or another. Those are the main reasons why I'm looking at inactive players. The game itself is important, but we have to remember people have real lives as well (or at least some of us do =P), so anyone can't be on or as active as we like. If you're on a plane right for 5-8 hours you can't really be active for that time or if your busy with family. I slightly understand as finding justifications to defend inactive people. So that's one point of view at certain groups. However, there are other people that are out of this group and are acting differently with people pointing fingers at each other. I am afraid we won't know much more until the first death. with this 'inexperience' of players it's hard to say who's really just doing that accidentally or who is just making their little 'acting'. From my standpoint - I am active, I have nothing to hide, I can keep my head up without feeling I have anything to lose. I am not afraid of mafia shooting me even if that will probably happen quickly, I think we still will have people who'll be able to work with the information that will be left behind. I know my posts don't have much of pointing at people, just small hints, and sometime I'm not revealing (selectively revealing) all of my thought processes in order to wait for certain people to respond in a way without or with pressure. | ||
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This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) should be This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good reason to do so (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not) Also I forgot to say it was a pretty nice analysis post from jaminz. I read it few times and probably will do so again in the future. Everyone should make one of those, or at least post opinions on people (more than one of them). It will become extremely useful in the future. one more thing I wanted to say about HardCorey was the last post was voting for phelix, since then he's inactive. | ||
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VOTING -- day 1 (so far)- 1. pHelix Equilibria -- ascle (9) > jaminz (15) 2. Rising_Phoenix -- phelix (3) > jaminz (12) > enervate (19) 3. HardCorey -- phelix (4) 4. FezTheCaliph -- enervate (11) > none (14) 5. Sirael 6. Freestalker -- phelix (2) > enervate (8) 7. Enervate -- jaminz (18) 8. Conversion -- phelix (1) > none (7) > HardCorey (13) 9. Jaminz -- phelix (5) > enervate (17) 10. vyro -- phelix (6) > none (10) 11. aScle -- enervate (16) sum - jaminz 2 enervate 4 phelix 1 hardcorey 1 | ||
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I'm gonna switch my vote to HardCorey, the lower amount of inactives the better. If he turns up and provides some reasonable info, change votes to someone else reasonably. Try to work on your own, too. Don't get over-influenced by single individuals. Try to be objective. If needed, read some guides to get some better information. Anyway. ##Unvote ##Vote HardCorey If I'm correct this is now in "favor" of HardCorey. It is possible it will be a townie, though. Everyone should count with that if you've seen some guides or other games. If we're lucky it'll be mafia. Also I've been thinking about posts of Conversion. In my state of utter paranoia I imagined he could be mafia. With his previous experience (and reading of few guides) he can give a general help for the game (that he does). The positive thing is he is trying to enforce discussion, and asks questions. However, as jaminz also pointed out he does not answer them on his own (no suspicion from him, except for inactives). He also suggests for detectives to target inactive people. If he was mafia and knew all his friends are active, it would be a very good wasting of the cop ability. The better solution would be to enforce inactives to talk to reduce their number to like 1, lynch that one, and then detective can target non inactives for more reasonable results, since he can read their posts and see some hints. And the last thing about Conversion is the fact that now few hours before end of voting he says he can't really contribute and will do analysis when he can. I wonder if it will be before end of day. Anyway. I am pretty sure if Conversion is innocent he will prove it. There are good signs, but there are signs for a possible doubt, in my opinion. | ||
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The problem is (as you and probably someone else noticed) there are too many inactive/suspicious looking people. If we counted all suspicious ones as mafia, we'd be left with like... 5 mafia. And that's not correct. However, I think after this day and next night, day 2 will be more successful, giving us more connections and supporting information. I guess people just have to die to win this >_< Even if it means some innocents will die in the process. | ||
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I switched my vote for him for few very simple reasons.. One -- inactivity. Very simple. He probably doesn't even know he's dead yet. Two -- There was a HUGE bandwagon on Enervate. And yet only person defending him was Enervate himself. He was easily about to get lynched. I have a belief if he was mafia someone would stand up for him. I am still not sure if he's mafia or not, though. Three -- HardCorey wasn't forced to post at all with that low vote count. Everyone seemed to be happy voting for Enervate. With voting for HardCorey I pushed the voting in other direction, expecting to get some response from him, or defense from others (if he was mafia). I wasn't here after my last post because I was sleeping. To be honest, the blame lies on HardCorey himself. But at least we have the voting info. This was a terrible first lynch. | ||
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As I said, keep your eyes open and try to be objective. We are left with mostly semi-active and active people, things should get a bit easier. I think there are few targets that mafia would want to primarily target. Now it's really about luck of doctor for tonight. | ||
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I decided to pick those three for now. Sirael- 4 posts so far. first after pointing out his inactivity. then long pause, and 2nd post after another pointing out of inactivity (even if he claims he couldn't come to internet). the analysis post is very empty, uncertain, not standing behind his ideas, lack of confidence, saying the weather tomorrow will be nice or rainy. then confusing more with empty (non) pointing at jaminz. asking who he should vote for. last post is possible bandwagoning. waiting quite long for this vote overall- no contribution, confusion, excuses. (extra note, change of vote when the voting shifts from enervate to him. coincidence?) Enervate- first pointing at me and jaminz for 'lets hunt scum' posts then big pause, then 2 posts saying to not vote for him and giving excuses for his inactivity and poor defense of accusations, no real contribution then after being voted by jaminz, he instantly votes back, with no reasoning back-up. really really bad. another post is more excuse and analysis that is not very firm and not really persuasive, mostly based around people accusing him. along with attempt to add tally of votes (that is wrong anyway) and then he changes his mind to vote for inactives (in a way he criticized before, when others did the same) (interestingly enough voting for enervate doesn't cause much hassle, everyone seems to be quite confident there is something wrong with this guy, except for vyro who suggests he doesn't find him as scummy) Vyro- 2 posts bringing up his inexperience. no content posts about his spoilers, then voting phelix for inactivity. a bit of his opinions on players - no real new things, seems he realizes how scummy his posts looked so far.. however, he suggests enervate 'jokingly' accuses me. how does he know? enervate hasn't responded yet. (I don't want to make this personal, though. I realized this just now) next post is suggesting more how 'we' are new to this, including himself. not sure what to do, asking who to vote for. got no opinion? later after majority of votes is on hardcorey he adds his own. if he was mafia, the last post could be understood as trying to pull information who they should not target, since they'll be protected. | ||
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On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote: + Show Spoiler + hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game should bring this up before the lynch, even though it wouldn't really help him + Show Spoiler + since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia? Indeed. Protect freestalker and conversion, kill jaminz. Simple as that. + Show Spoiler + @freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face I was using the :p face in response and I wasn't joking, obviously + Show Spoiler + right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. Well there are at least two of us that I am sure are/were town and have been laying suspicion on you. How about that. You don't seem to have confidence though, as you'd be contributing more and trying to defend yourself less. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote: + Show Spoiler + i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. my early posts are riddled with questions due to me not knowing what else to post. i know most will argue quality over quantity, but some quantity must be met or this group lynches as evidenced by the first round of votes moving from phelix, the initial inactive to the next inactives hardcorey and enervate. Maybe yes, maybe no. I suspect mafia to expect me or conversion to be the most probable doctor targets, thus leaving jaminz unsecured (however he's been pretty dangerous as well, we'll miss you jaminz). Yes, quantity is needed in order to measure quality. That is in your case lacking + Show Spoiler + There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look). no, not at all. A townie is not afraid of dying and sticking the head out, however, it seems you are. You're still defending yourself and not contributing, kicking around like a drowning scum. and even though you said you learnt from your previous posts that look scummy when you imply you are not a veteran, you keep putting it into your posts. + Show Spoiler + This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me Excuse me but this is empty again. You state the obvious that has been stated before. It's good to do good because it's good. And I think everyone knows this already anyway, I don't know why I'm saying it. What information have you given out exactly? + Show Spoiler + He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity. again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game. i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap I can't see how being the suspect can give you comfort, but ok. yes, please, I would like to see your analysis, make sure to be thorough. Repeating your mistakes over and over is not helping you at all, obviously. I am still wondering if you could/couldn't write that defense post -before- the night post. That being said, I would like to see more activity from everyone again. It's a new day, no need to be worried of getting shot for a while now. Gogo posts, discussion. | ||
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I will start the voting, I stated my reasons a page back. ##Vote Sirael discuss. | ||
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ascle -> vyro enervate phoenix -> enervate enervate -> vyro phoenix a while later phelix phoenix vyro? conversion -> Enervate Sirael free -> Enervate Sirael vyro vyro -> enervate sirael phelixphoenix fez free conversion ascle | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Enervate Seeing Sirael is not really going to be voted and Enervate is also in my list, I'll move my vote there to make sure at least this vote will pass. This one better be mafia or we're in serious trouble. But we should have much more info after this. | ||
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And I am getting the feeling that mafia is more active than we think. | ||
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On April 28 2011 14:32 Enervate wrote: Bye guys. My fault, I played bad. I'm just a newb! Hope you guys don't hate me outside of this thread! Say hi if you see me in another thread! GL town. No worries mate, it is a kinda difficult game >_< Sorry for the mislynch. And I am pretty sure there is no hate for you | ||
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I kinda expected someone to come after me and conversion, and I myself have a bug in my head saying 'be objective about conversion', and we are probably going to lose this, so I wanted to call for a lynch of conversion for the next day just for the lulz. Coz I did trust him, even if with a bit of paranoia, but I still have this in mind that he'd be able to fool around with the rest of people, mainly if his 'friends' are active. Anyway. I am probably going to die tonight, so it doesn't matter. So here are my few cents I've been thinking about and that might potentially be interesting. I found it very interesting that conversion spoke about enervate and sirael, now while I agreed both are very suspicious (or at least from the way of posting.. anyone heard of sirael recently?) but also he ignores the fact that phelix hasn't posted anything beneficial in a while. So hasn't vyro. Now it is very hard to do any kind of organization in this mess, since still vyro, sirael, phelix don't write anything at all, conversion is on his itouch (I was warned somewhere about people that are active in the beginning and then become 'busy' later). If the whole mafia is active we can go to hell because that'd mean all those inactive people are townies and we'll never find that out. If Conversion is mafia, I'll probably die tonight, because they just won't target him while he might be the second potential target (according to posting activity). If I don't die, then of course some people might be suspicious I am mafia (but of course so could be conversion, right?). And ascle, the 'townie' vibe of me and conversion is in place, because most of other people just didn't speak as much and as openly, so you can't really compare with anyone else who has the 'stronger' vibe. But whatever, as I said, I give up. gg | ||
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