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alright, I decided to make a little FoS post
I decided to pick those three for now.
Sirael-
4 posts so far.
first after pointing out his inactivity. then long pause, and 2nd post after another pointing out of inactivity (even if he claims he couldn't come to internet).
the analysis post is very empty, uncertain, not standing behind his ideas, lack of confidence, saying the weather tomorrow will be nice or rainy.
then confusing more with empty (non) pointing at jaminz. asking who he should vote for.
last post is possible bandwagoning. waiting quite long for this vote
overall- no contribution, confusion, excuses. (extra note, change of vote when the voting shifts from enervate to him. coincidence?)
Enervate-
first pointing at me and jaminz for 'lets hunt scum' posts
then big pause, then 2 posts saying to not vote for him and giving excuses for his inactivity and poor defense of accusations, no real contribution
then after being voted by jaminz, he instantly votes back, with no reasoning back-up. really really bad.
another post is more excuse and analysis that is not very firm and not really persuasive, mostly based around people accusing him. along with attempt to add tally of votes (that is wrong anyway)
and then he changes his mind to vote for inactives (in a way he criticized before, when others did the same)
(interestingly enough voting for enervate doesn't cause much hassle, everyone seems to be quite confident there is something wrong with this guy, except for vyro who suggests he doesn't find him as scummy)
Vyro-
2 posts bringing up his inexperience.
no content posts about his spoilers, then voting phelix for inactivity.
a bit of his opinions on players -
no real new things, seems he realizes how scummy his posts looked so far.. however, he suggests enervate 'jokingly' accuses me. how does he know? enervate hasn't responded yet. (I don't want to make this personal, though. I realized this just now)
next post is suggesting more how 'we' are new to this, including himself. not sure what to do, asking who to vote for. got no opinion?
later after majority of votes is on hardcorey he adds his own.
if he was mafia, the last post could be understood as trying to pull information who they should not target, since they'll be protected.
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EBWOP:
in Sirael part - change of vote when vote shifts from enervate to hardcorey
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Just got back from school. I'll start contributing once day begins, really busy today (first day back from spring break)
Does night end at 11 PM EST?
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Night started at 12 PM EST, so I guess it will end in 8 hours.
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@Sirael don't you mean 12am?
Really right now I think we should be figuring out who to protect for night one. Here are possible people for doc to protect:
1) Free: most active poster, trying to figure out who jumped the bandwagon and likes to push pressure on other members to get them to contribute. Right now inactivity is our biggest weakness since it is allowing mafia to potentially hide as lurkers in the thread.
2) Jaminz: Excellent constructive posts, and is willing to argue a case if he thinks he's right and uses good arguments to prove his points.
3) Conversion: Helping us rally on a, to be honest, pretty bad loss. Even though Corey was definitely inactive, and therefore useless, it helps that someone is helping us push on to find who is mafia.
4) Myself: I'm selfish, and I want protection =]. Also, if Jaminz, myself, or aScle, who all voted for Enervate, were to die, than it would mean Enervate could be mafia trying to save his skin.
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Don't protect me, they probably expect that.
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hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
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I thought we weren't allowed to talk at night?
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It really depends on the player's choice.
I think it's a good 24 hour discussion period; others don't think it's that great. It's completely opinion based.
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My general opinion is that talking at night is fine if you think you have something that needs to be said. Additionally, if you think you might be killed that night you should post whatever analysis you have saved that you think may help town. Otherwise, I tend to be pretty quiet at night.
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On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this:
I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro.
One of his first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance
There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like.
I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems
Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night
Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point?
This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro.
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Are we having a night post?
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Oh my god i suck yes we are having a night post i lost trrack of time im sorry my personal life is kind of crazy right now
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They found his corpse lying in a grocery store freezer. He was severed limb from limb with his guts spilled on the floor, iced over from red to a clear blue. It was Jaminz and the scene might have been morbidly beautiful if I didn't know him so well.
Yes, things have really changed around here.
Nevermind that our last good cop was hung at the hands of a town overcome by hysteria, nevermind the smoke and mirrors that have had our best men at each others throats for what seems like eternity, there is still hope.
Whoever did this, will pay dearly. I have to believe that. It keeps me alive.
Jaminz the Townie is dead
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Haha, thanks for the game everyone. Good luck town!
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i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. my early posts are riddled with questions due to me not knowing what else to post. i know most will argue quality over quantity, but some quantity must be met or this group lynches as evidenced by the first round of votes moving from phelix, the initial inactive to the next inactives hardcorey and enervate.
There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like.
i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look).
This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person.
i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me
He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity.
again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game.
i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap
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On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. my early posts are riddled with questions due to me not knowing what else to post. i know most will argue quality over quantity, but some quantity must be met or this group lynches as evidenced by the first round of votes moving from phelix, the initial inactive to the next inactives hardcorey and enervate. There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look). This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity. again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game. i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap
I can't see how being the suspect can give you comfort, but ok. yes, please, I would like to see your analysis, make sure to be thorough. Repeating your mistakes over and over is not helping you at all, obviously. I am still wondering if you could/couldn't write that defense post -before- the night post.
That being said, I would like to see more activity from everyone again. It's a new day, no need to be worried of getting shot for a while now. Gogo posts, discussion.
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You'll be missed, jaminz. :/ kind of expected you, me, or free to go down, to be honest.
I'm going to school right now (spring break's over). I'll probably drop by a library to make a case against Sirael, Enervatw, and vyro after school
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On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
I don't know what else to say, vyro seems like our best choice for lynching or at least as jaiminz put it " take a long look at vyro".
however just some minor speculation from me...
we have 3 or possibly more posibilites
1. vyro is a mafia and killed jaiminz to stop him from digging "deeper"
2. vyro isnt mafia, the mafia people might of looked at jaiminz's post and purposely killed him and pretty much "force" us to lynch vyro.
3. vryo is a mafia and saw the post and killed jaiminz which made it look like the mafia killed jaiminz so vyro would appear to be "set up" and hence losing some suspicion on him
the next scenarios would be the equivalent of reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology (ie 5 layer inception levels deep ) and i doubt the mafia members would go this deep.
choices choices choices >.<
i must say however the first case is highly unlikely as there are also 2 members backing vyro up so i doubt they would make such an obvious mistake.
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