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There is no cohost for this game. All questions can be directed toward me via PM.
Introduction:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking. If the mafia at any time outnumber or equal the townspeople, they win. The town's goal is to lynch all the members of the mafia.
The goal of this game is to assist newer players in learning the rules and protocol of mafia. Think of this game as a "test run" to see if you enjoy mafia enough to perhaps play in one of our larger games. If you have any questions about how the game works or want general tips on how to play, there are a lot of resources available. The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules:
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to):
1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information.
2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip.
8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts.
Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.
Posting:
Mod Font:
This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.
Question Font:
This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules.
Activity:
You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here.
Decorum:
Games of mafia can become surprisingly emotional. The rule of thumb is to attack players arguments, not their character. There is a fine line between provocation and flaming. If you cross that line you will be warned. Flaming is highly discouraged and may result in modkills.
Editing:
Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything
Inappropriate posts:
If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, a host will warn you or modkill you and request that you be banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate.
Play to win.
You have been warned.
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Q7Qwl.jpg) Something life-ending this way comes.
Voting rules:
1. Voting is done in this thread. Do not PM me your vote.
2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote Qatol. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance.
3. No conditional voting.
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched
6. Voting is mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
Signups:
This game is open to new players only. The purpose of this game is to help new players learn the game of mafia and to prepare them for a larger/normal game.
Game-specific rules:
Modkills:
This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment. If you have questions about modkills and how they work, please ask.
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are not allowed in this game. If you private message another player about the game, it is considered cheating. Mafia aligned players are allowed to communicate through PM with eachother.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 11 PM EST, but that is subject to change.
Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer.
Thanks to everyone who helped balance this game.
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
Roles
Town Aligned:
Townie
You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Cop
You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You are always sane. Alignment checks come back with the next day post.
Doctor
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself. You can not protect the same person twice in a row.
Mafia Aligned:
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power is always 1 until there are no mafia remaining.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been roleblocked (even if they didn't have a night action). You do not have to use your action every night.
3 of 3 MAFIA remaining:
? of ? Goons alive
? of ? Roleblockers alive
Mafia KP = 1
8 of 8 TOWN remaining:
? of ? Medics alive
? of ? Detectives alive
Sign-ups
1. pHelix Equilibria
2. Rising_Phoenix
3. HardCorey
4. FezTheCaliph
5. Sirael
6. Freestalker
7. Enervate
8. Conversion
9. Jaminz
10. vyro
11. aScle
I am only accepting first-time/extremely inexperienced players into this game. If you are experienced and want to be involved you may sign up to offer advice to players. I request you do not make comments on specifics of the game, just offer general advice and answer questions if players wish to PM you. Thanks. If you have any questions about the game, PM me and I will clarify. Have fun.
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I would like to play this game but since I'm on the ban list, I must sit out and play the next one.
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holy crap youngminii! you is back! sit out survivor and play in this one!
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Only newbies are accepted. Thanks for posting right away so I have to edit the roles into the OP btw.
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What a condescending Game title!
/in
btw 3 + 9 != 11
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On April 13 2011 07:38 Incognito wrote:
What a condescending Game title!
/in
btw 3 + 9 != 11
Am I to take it that you want to offer your assistance to players or do you not understand the concept of this game and the signups
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On April 13 2011 07:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:38 Incognito wrote:
What a condescending Game title!
/in
btw 3 + 9 != 11 Am I to take it that you want to offer your assistance to players or do you not understand the concept of this game and the signups
With mafia KP at 2 its 2 mislynches and lose. Switching to 8 townies and 1 KP would be more fair imo. I might assist. If its only general information though anyone can do it, even the players themselves.
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Don't we already have a normal mini game with standard roles set for newcomers?
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On April 13 2011 07:45 LSB wrote:
Don't we already have a normal mini game with standard roles set for newcomers?
Yes.
On April 12 2011 03:59 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 03:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 12 2011 03:44 Qatol wrote:On April 12 2011 01:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You're doing mini mafia? Why not just do a 30/31 person game and have us co-host together? I honestly think that a smaller game might be a little less overwhelming for people who are trying to learn the ropes. Also, a big game might take longer to fill up and get going, and I think they have been waiting long enough. I think 2 mini games where nobody can play in both at the same time and with at most like 1-2 experienced players would be best. 25 is a good size, I think. A lot of people just got access, but 2 games of 11 might be preferable? Maybe transition from the mini learning games into a bootcamp style larger game then? That sounds like a better plan. 2 mini learning games, then a larger bootcamp game combining players from the mini games. It should also keep the inactives in the regular games to a minimum as the people who decide mafia isn't for them will by and large be filtered out after 2 games.
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I just want to play. I think I can handle a non-newbie version but if this is the way to get initiated ill play here first. :D
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Hey Dr H, I'd like to get into this one as well. Please add me unless theres a reason I cant do both.
/in
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On April 13 2011 10:22 Zorkmid wrote:
Hey Dr H, I'd like to get into this one as well. Please add me unless theres a reason I cant do both.
/in
You should probably only be a replacement. It isn't really fair to the other 30 people who just got into the Mafia Forum with you and haven't signed up for a game yet. Alternatively, you could sign up for RoL's experiment games (sign up via PM). I believe he still has open spots for those.
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This will be my first time playing. Sign me up!
I'm busy over this week but I should have some time to contribute to the game. After this I'll have tons of free time (I hope).
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Sign me up! I played maybe 2 or 3 games yearsss ago. Would love a nice refresher and to learn how to play it on a forum instead of realtime
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Never mind I apparently can't read
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Since I'm already at the other noob game I would like to sign in as a replacement if possible.
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I would like to try this, but watching the other mafia going on where there are like 100 pages in 2 game days I am a bit worried 
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On April 13 2011 11:05 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 10:22 Zorkmid wrote:
Hey Dr H, I'd like to get into this one as well. Please add me unless theres a reason I cant do both.
/in You should probably only be a replacement. It isn't really fair to the other 30 people who just got into the Mafia Forum with you and haven't signed up for a game yet. Alternatively, you could sign up for RoL's experiment games (sign up via PM). I believe he still has open spots for those.
This is true, I do have open slots. If you are committed to activity I will accept you, if my experiment gets fucked over I will rage really hard.
Also DrH, you didn't say if this was an F11 set up or not? It looks really weird. I will PM you with why.
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Please sign me up.
As you can see when you look at my post counter, this would be my first game of Mafia.
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On April 13 2011 19:36 freestalker wrote:I would like to try this, but watching the other mafia going on where there are like 100 pages in 2 game days I am a bit worried
Notice that the other game has 40 players and this game has 11. Also, those guys know each other better and decide to chat instead of posting seriously at times. This game will not get anywhere near that long that quickly. However, you should still be prepared to devote a decent amount of time to this game. We don't like inactivity.
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Yeah I am quite aware of 'time' requirements and the fact the other game has way more people  I can be active to a degree, however getting back after half a day to read 20 new pages and analyze them could be a bit too much. At least for now.
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On April 14 2011 00:43 freestalker wrote:Yeah I am quite aware of 'time' requirements and the fact the other game has way more people I can be active to a degree, however getting back after half a day to read 20 new pages and analyze them could be a bit too much. At least for now.
I highly doubt 20 new pages would spring up
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187599
Here is the last mini that happened that. It went onto Night 4, meaning four 48/24 hour cycles happened. And yet it's only on page 30. And it had clues too which means people will probably be posting more than normal so you don't have to worry about being buried under posts.
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It's alright, I was refering to those 20 new pages looking at the other thread. I don't expect that many posts coming up here.
Well I think I have only one thing to say...
Challenge accepted!
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Due to a balance issue, not all roles in the game may be present.
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I'd like to play. Sign me up please.
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Am I allowed to play one mini/one standard game?
If so, /in
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On April 14 2011 04:51 Conversion wrote:
Am I allowed to play one mini/one standard game?
If so, /in
Ummm name of game is "Newbie Mini Mafia I". It's supposed to be for the people who just got access to this forum. You aren't a newbie.....
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On April 14 2011 05:10 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 04:51 Conversion wrote:
Am I allowed to play one mini/one standard game?
If so, /in Ummm name of game is "Newbie Mini Mafia I". It's supposed to be for the people who just got access to this forum. You aren't a newbie.....
I think XXXVIII is his first game.
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Conversion is definitely a newbie, and signups are slow so I'll put him in. It may not be his first game, but he's inexperienced and this will be a much less intimidating experience.
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On April 14 2011 02:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Due to a balance issue, not all roles in the game may be present.
disregard this, all roles will be present in the game.
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On April 14 2011 06:03 Serejai wrote:
/in please~
are you going to actually play or just troll around? -_-
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Er, what's the difference? I thought the object of the game was to not let people get a read on you. If I posted normal then the mafia would probably figure out I'm a blue due to my inexperience in posting and murder me.
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On April 14 2011 06:08 Serejai wrote:
Er, what's the difference? I thought the object of the game was to not let people get a read on you. If I posted normal then the mafia would probably figure out I'm a blue due to my inexperience in posting and murder me.
then do what i do
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If you take me as a player, although I just signed up on another mini, I will happily /in
I have too much free time right now.
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On April 14 2011 06:08 Serejai wrote:
Er, what's the difference? I thought the object of the game was to not let people get a read on you. If I posted normal then the mafia would probably figure out I'm a blue due to my inexperience in posting and murder me.
The object of the game for town is to find and lynch mafia.
The object of the game for mafia is to avoid lynching and mislead the town.
Trolling/confusing/misleading people constantly as town leads to what most players would call "bad town environment". This doesn't put pressure on mafia players and basically gives them free reign to take the town discussion in whatever direction they want.
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On April 14 2011 06:02 Kenpachi wrote:
DrH how about me
No, you're far too experienced.
Do not misinterpret this as praise for your level of skill.
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Oh... I guess I didn't really think of it that way. I was trying to just follow other people's advice and do my role each night because I've been afraid to mis-analyze someone.
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On April 14 2011 07:39 Serejai wrote:
Oh... I guess I didn't really think of it that way. I was trying to just follow other people's advice and do my role each night because I've been afraid to mis-analyze someone.
It would be considered cheating to talk about the current game outside of the game by most mods. If you're going to roleclaim or alignment claim, this is not the place to do so.
That being said blues are a powerful force of town guidance. You are put in the tricky position of trying to discourage mafia from hitting you while helping town. I've never been given a powerful blue role such as doctor or detective or vigilante, so I think other players could give better advice on how that is to be played.
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Read Ver's "Mafia XXX Analysis" that is required reading for any new player. He talks a lot about proper town conduct and creating an environment that puts the town at an advantage.
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There are still a few slots left here. I'll be sending more PMs out I guess.
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On April 14 2011 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:No, you're far too experienced. Do not misinterpret this as praise for your level of skill.
ROFL
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On April 15 2011 13:33 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 07:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On April 14 2011 06:02 Kenpachi wrote:
DrH how about me No, you're far too experienced. Do not misinterpret this as praise for your level of skill. ROFL
you should be good like coagulation and post unconfirmable illogical arguments in all caps
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I'm still accepting 3 signups for this. New players eliminated or currently playing in TL Mafia XXXVIII will be accepted.
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This would be my 3rd game of TL Mafia (I played Haunted Mafia and now TL Mafia XXXVIII), but I'm still pretty new to things. I think being able to play in a smaller game would help me get used to posting and doing analysis, as I was always a bit intimidated by the bigger games. If I'm allowed, I'd love to play!
/in
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yay! 2 more to go
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noob here reporting for duty
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sign me up plz... first mafia game ^.^
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yay and we're full can I ask when is estimated the start (mainly concerning before/after upcoming weekend, since there're holidays and stuff)
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Hm. I'm still kinda a nub. Would I be allowed?
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My mafia game just ended, I would like to take part on this one.
/in
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Any town that won in GM's game can't play!
(jk )
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Boo, my blue play was terrible, I have much to learn =)
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Game begins tonight at 9 PM PST
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have signups for this ended? i'm going to host a mafia game on the music forum i moderate, and i think getting some play experience would be nice first
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Yeah, but I can put you down as a replacement.
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Game start delayed by 13 minutes.
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So when does the game start?
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The game has started now at Night 0. You have roughly 24 hours to discuss in the thread a game plan/whatever you want before the day begins and you can actually start voting for a lynch. Mafia can also communicate privately during this time.
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/confirm
Good luck guys! Going to head in to bed a bit early, so I'll make it for roughly half of night 0.
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Cool! Thanks for throwing this together. I'll be around for quite a bit. Staying up all night to work on homework
Just posting in to let people know I'm here ^_^
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Hey everyone! Good luck and lets kill some Mafia!
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On April 22 2011 13:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, but I can put you down as a replacement.
ah, just a tad too late. thanks, i guess i'll just lurk the thread and you can PM me if someone drops?
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On April 22 2011 15:21 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 13:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Yeah, but I can put you down as a replacement. ah, just a tad too late. thanks, i guess i'll just lurk the thread and you can PM me if someone drops?
Yep
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Greets fellow citizens. How're you doing this fine day
sorry for my delayed posting but the game started in the night and I'm in Europe so that kinda sucked, but I see I didn't miss much. That being said, I won't be much around here until evening, since it's holidays and stuff and I gotta go visit family.
anyway! Let's do this and get some scum. I hope there will be posts from more people when I come later
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hi all. is it customary for everyone to do a hello message? what's it accomplish besides showing whether a user is active/attentive to the game?
anyway, as others have already said... let's find those scum
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Well talking is important for the game, since that's what it's based around, and a hello message can't do any harm. Lurking/inactive players are never good so it's also a way to identify them. And in order to make a good town environment we have to talk and let the scum make mistakes
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hey all! glhf
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Good luck and have fun everyone!
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On April 22 2011 14:55 jaminz wrote:
Hey everyone! Good luck and lets kill some Mafia!
On April 22 2011 19:57 freestalker wrote:And in order to make a good town environment we have to talk and let the scum make mistakes
On April 22 2011 18:54 freestalker wrote:
anyway! Let's do this and get some scum.
Exactly what the mafia would say:p
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I'm not too familiar with Night 0, but I suggest keeping the following tips in mind.
If you are blue, do NOT claim unless it is absolutely necessary. (ie, you are medic about to be lynched)
Be wary of fake claims by Mafia if the cop is dead.
Always be confident in your analysis/voting so you don't look like mafia (I had trouble with this in my current mafia game.)
Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet.
1. pHelix Equilibria
3. HardCorey
5. Sirael
We want to hear from you, guys!
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On April 23 2011 00:51 Conversion wrote:Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys!
Then i'll make the start. Was outside the whole day chilling in the sun (still 25°C at 8 pm). As this is my very first game, i hope i don't make too many mistakes. Anyway GLHF to you all and let's hope for an interesting game.
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Alright, I'm back. Well, to be honest I expected more posts to go through, but it did not happen.
On April 22 2011 22:25 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 14:55 jaminz wrote:
Hey everyone! Good luck and lets kill some Mafia! Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 19:57 freestalker wrote:And in order to make a good town environment we have to talk and let the scum make mistakes Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 18:54 freestalker wrote:
anyway! Let's do this and get some scum.
Exactly what the mafia would say:p
yeah, exactly what mafia would do. You're on my list now 
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Good morning leute. How is everyone?
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I'm doing quite well because i'm in florida :DDD
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That just leaves phelix.
Lots of discussion here guys...
/sarcasm
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On April 23 2011 08:07 Conversion wrote:
That just leaves phelix.
Lots of discussion here guys...
/sarcasm
Well some people are probably busy with work or classes and some people are in all sorts of time zones, so give it some time.
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Also considering nobody has been killed I frankly don't know what to discuss.
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Hey guys good luck and have fun. I really enjoyed my first game and I hope you enjoy yours!
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On April 22 2011 14:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The game has started now at Night 0. You have roughly 24 hours to discuss in the thread a game plan/whatever you want before the day begins and you can actually start voting for a lynch. Mafia can also communicate privately during this time.
You get a 24-hour grace period for discussion for plans/policies/poking inactive.
Just because someone didn't die doesn't mean you can't discuss anything =/
but then again, we're all newbies so.. eh.
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I don't think he meant we shouldn't discuss, I just think he meant that there's nothing really to talk about yet lol
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yeah, I'm trying to correct that logic cause night 0 (from what I've seen) used to create plans and let town pressure inactives right off the bat so they can try and force errors from mafia players.
never take discussion hours for granted. just saying.
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Expect the day post very soon ;3
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WBgbG.jpg) Day 1
Sometimes there is a town, a place on this earth, that sucks the good life from a man and leaves only darkness. It's a sort of darkness that obfuscates that kindness that may have existed in me at one time. But everything good must come to an end and here in Liquidia, it came to an end pretty quickly. Some things are better left unsaid, but I can no longer stand the silence. Charles Bukowski once said "You either get it on paper, or you jump off a bridge." and that is the case.
It was those damn mafia rats. Every town has a crime problem, we all turn a blind eye. But this was different. Racqueteering, prostitution, gambling, we all have our vices and the mafia were there to support it. The mafia didn't just break the law or kill, but they turned man against eachother. They broke families apart.
I could tell you the story of poor old Incognito. He was a gambling man and it wasn't too long before he started putting down wagers his paychecks couldn't cash. Those damn mafia animals took him for every penny he had. He couldn't make his payments and they didn't just take his money they took his fucking humanity. They ruined his relationship, they drove him out of his own home, out of his own skin and mind.
He killed himself.
I could tell you about Qatol the police officer who watched his son turn to drug addiction because of the shit they peddled on street corners. The man who did his best to keep his town safe from corruption and watched the police force that he slaved for turn to mob violence and bribes. It wasn't long before he was whacked so that the cops would fall under the mafia's influence.
When Qatol dies, our town fell apart.
And now the mafia hide in the shadows, amongst us. They turn neighbors against neighbors. A little girl was found dead in the park, stabbed by her friend. That's the sickness we people have now. It's a sad little circus. We'll all die one day and it is not death by which we will be measured but the life that we lived. You can't live here.
You can exist and that's all. Nothing lives here. No flowers bloom.
God put an end to this.
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And day 1 has started!
... though I doubt anyone from EST is awake.
Anything you guys think we should discuss?
phelix still hasn't posted yet. Come out, phelix! Don't be shy.
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Should we just start accusing someone of being mafia to get people talking? I don't really know where to start the conversation.
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Well give people some time so the timezones work out. imo start pressuring inactives and then look for people who barely post/act scummy and draw up a lynch against them.
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still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance
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You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post.
the usual proportion of blues:greens I am not sure about. I think it depends on the host and the game.
Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move.
A usual townie plan just outlines and establishes ideal town environment and some policies (no inactivity, lynch all liars, etc.)
I'd start off by pressuring an inactive, who still hasn't posted yet... so
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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Also, I would recommend reading the Newbie Resources in the OP. Helps a ton when you're trying to play Mafia and really helps you learn the game.
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However, too much posting is not good either, since then you can lose leads pretty easily in heaps of posts without meaning. On the other hand, scum when trying to blend with town tries to make posts that don't have any real value, in attempt to not give any information or help, or even make the discussion more chaotic.
as to role count, I'd say there's 1 roleblocker + 2 goons and 1 cop 1 doctor and rest townies.
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In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not?
Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk.
And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them.
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Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier.
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He either starts posting or dies, simple like that, no? Also everyone has to vote, so for now I keep my vote on him, until I'm given reasons not to do that.
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Sorry I was very asleep so I just woke up (10:50am where I'm at).
Since we don't have any conducive evidence of anyone who is mafia yet I think it is a safe bet to vote on pHelix. Unless he comes out to defend himself he is a safe bet because:
1) If he is mafia he is hiding from lack of posting
2) If he is a townie he is snot contributing anything to the posting/discussion
3) If he is afk he's useless to everyone anyways
I need to read some older mafia threads to get a better idea of how to post and tells for who is mafia or not.
So, until other evidence suggests otherwise:
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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fair enough. group mentality here I go.
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
forgot to make it bold
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Well, thanks to pHelix Equilibria for giving us a good conversation/analysis starter! Until he gives us a reason not to:
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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Hey phelix, are you checking the thread at all?
We have four votes on you already, come. Make a hello post or something then we can move on with our town duties on catching scum.
I suggest the rest of you post as well. We don't want to run a lynch the inactives spree over here. Keeping silent also makes you a suspicious character, whether blue or mafia. Come, join the thread!
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Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person.
Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon.
I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation.
phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post.
1. pHelix Equilibria
0
2. Rising_Phoenix
2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning?
3. HardCorey
2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died)
then trying to confuse voting of inactive,
and then voting!
4. FezTheCaliph
1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here"
5. Sirael
1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all.
6. Freestalker
DAT IZ ME
7. Enervate
only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_<
8. Conversion
seems to be trying! +point
9. Jaminz
so far 2 kinda empty posts.
now voting
10. vyro
2 posts, so far also not too much,
asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around)
11. aScle
1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it?
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meh, I'll have to work on my structuring of posts.. it looked different in the editor >_<
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On April 23 2011 17:50 Conversion wrote:
You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post.
about that. lately, i haven't been able to expand spoilers. when i click "show spoiler", the page refreshes to the top, and the address bar has a pound sign in it. i'm using chrome 11
Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move.
ok, i see. i guess i could understand why they would want to fake roleclaim. i'll be looking through those previous mafia games, however daunting it may seem.
it'll be interesting to see how phelix defends himself if he ever shows up
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
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Hello, sorry I have actually been out of town traveling in lieu to Easter Weekend. My sincere apologies. and was unable to see this. But it looks like there is a case of the ol' group think process. I'm obviously at a large disadvantage. But am I too late?
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I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes?
Can the town change votes? Before the day is over.
With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared.
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You can change your vote at any time pretty much
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How about I tell a joke to lighten the mood or to show that the town will not be as fun.
+ Show Spoiler +Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't.
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really wish i could see those spoilers D:
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I don't understand? Can one not see the spoilers?
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We can change the vote, don't worry. We were just pressuring you for being inactive.
##Unvote
Now stay and contribute! :D
And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
People might not take votes because they're not on the computer (time zone conflicts)
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mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
How about you, sir? Got something to say?
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Thank you sir. I got to say that picture of our town is pretty. That white sedan is mine on the left.
My condolences to Qatol's son, really. It is sad to see drug addiction go untreated.
##Vote aScle
I want to hear his voice!
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I don't understand? Can one not see the spoilers?
something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes.
And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again.
##Unvote
to help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far:
phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive
rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix
hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives
fez: no substantive posts
sirael: no substantive posts
freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate
enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker
conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions
jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though..
ascle: no substantive posts
me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look
so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle
not much to look at so far it seems
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Well I've read the other Mafia threads and you're right there is some heavy discussion here. But It seems like there isn't enough people talking to have a discussion. Much less we have two for a conversation. With more than a third being relatively quiet it seems the most obvious choice would be to get rid of the ones who are quiet.
You could get something going here vyro.
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Hey, nothing to feel self conscious about I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah?
And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing..
So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now.
DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1?
What are your current opinions of the players in this game?
Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses?
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On April 24 2011 03:01 Conversion wrote:Hey, nothing to feel self conscious about I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah? And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing.. So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now. DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1? What are your current opinions of the players in this game? Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses?
1. I think unless we find someone who makes a huge mistake and reveals himself being a mafia, then we have no other choice.
2. Well I made that list of mine, it is probable it'll change over time.
3. I agree with lynches for liars and inactives according to what I mentioned in point 1. Townies have no reason to lie. If we catch someone - lynch.
The problem with this many inactives is it lets mafia blend in. So if you have like 1 inactive person, you just lynch that one, no big deal if it's a townie. When you have 4, lynching all 4 of them is risky and takes too long while mafia kills at night. So we really need more activity. However, one should expect not all mafia members are lurking.
Another problem is quality of posts. With this 'quality' I'd probably still have a look at few 'active' guys.
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Woah sorry guys. I had a long night(last minute project) and slept for most of yesterday =/
Thanks to freestalker and vyro for the sum up posts ^_^
Now I'll try to get a tally of the current votes going.
Enervate has 2 votes(including mine)
aScle has 1 vote
pHelix Equilibra has 3 votes(unless I missed an unvote)
and I'll join in the vote on Enervate because he's pointing fingers already but mostly because he's inactive since doing so
##Vote Enervate
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hey fez, thanks for coming back. Just one hint - it's not allowed to edit posts if you have some issue with your post, edit it/write what you want different in a new post.
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On April 24 2011 04:14 freestalker wrote:hey fez, thanks for coming back. Just one hint - it's not allowed to edit posts if you have some issue with your post, edit it/write what you want different in a new post.
Oh shit. Yea It was just editing the # next to the Vote and changing "and that makes two votes for Enervate" after my vote to just putting it in parenthesis after my post. I hope it doenst get me Mod killed =(
I've only ever played mafia on IRC
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##Unvote
Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well.
First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic).
The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =].
----- Break for other half---
Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now.
Silent members have three possibilities:
1)They're trying to hide
2)They're lazy or disinterested in the game
3)It's a holiday and they're traveling
Going through we have these people being pretty inactive:
-jaminz: a few filler posts, nothing as contribution to the thread, pointing fingers
-aScle: one post?
-Enervate: very little posting as well
These players have said very little or immediately start pointing fingers (Enervate) when they start pointing. However, it doesn't make sense to choose him because he hasn't bothered defending any accusations or contributing anything to support his claim.
aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content and have not been active in general. Also, Jaminz has been very ready to point fingers but has little supporting evidence. I'll vote for him since he's just detracting from town synergy.
So, unless he can defend himself:
##vote Jaminz
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On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
##Unvote
Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well.
First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic).
The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =].
----- Break for other half---
Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now.
Silent members have three possibilities:
1)They're trying to hide
2)They're lazy or disinterested in the game
3)It's a holiday and they're traveling
Going through we have these people being pretty inactive:
-jaminz: a few filler posts, nothing as contribution to the thread, pointing fingers
-aScle: one post?
-Enervate: very little posting as well
These players have said very little or immediately start pointing fingers (Enervate) when they start pointing. However, it doesn't make sense to choose him because he hasn't bothered defending any accusations or contributing anything to support his claim.
aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content and have not been active in general. Also, Jaminz has been very ready to point fingers but has little supporting evidence. I'll vote for him since he's just detracting from town synergy.
So, unless he can defend himself:
##vote Jaminz
Only issue with that is that if the cop outs himself right away, the mafia will know who he is and whack him, unless the medic heals him that night. So either we lose our cop right away or have two of our speciality units incapacitated for a night, leaving the mob free to thin our ranks.
Its not a bad idea but I'm pointing out the downside. Devil's advocate is fun ^_^
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Also, updated vote count
Enervate 2
pHelix Equilibra 2
aScle 1
Jaminz 1
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Still waiting on a lot of the inactives..
In my honest opinion, cop should check an inactive. It'll turn out to three outcomes, probably 2 or 3 since inactives tend to often be blue roles/mafia
Writing in first person, don't take this as me being cop or anything.
1) Confirmed townie. Oh well, let's hope I get a better result tomorrow. I can defend this townie to death because I know he's town.
2) Confirmed blue role. Nice! Now I know who the medic/cop is. I can act very vocal and hint for the medic to protect me or hint DT to check someone I wouldn't check in order to get 2 checks done in one night.
3) Confirm mafia. Well, now I have to tunnel him hard and hope town follows my analysis and lynches him.
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the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal.
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##Vote HardCorey
Pressure vote.
Who are your scum reads? What's your opinion on policy/inactive lynching?
Who do you believe town should lynch on day 1? Do you disagree/agree with any of the opinions put forth by town so far?
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Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me.
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Lol I started to edit my previous post but then I remembered we are not supposed to edit. About my earlier accusations, I was just kidding. I felt like saying something else besides "gl hf".
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hmmmm, well I guess thats good enough for me to unvote you.... for now =p
##Unvote
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ah poop
forgot to bold
##Unvote
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vote update
Enervate 1
pHelix Equilibra 2
aScle 1
Jaminz 1
HardCorey 1
what happens in the event of an even vote?
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5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first is lynched
OP has everything covered, usually.
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lol my bad, yea I just went back and read that. My bad >_<
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On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote:
the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal.
I was just looking at it mathmatically. I know cop would have to roleclaim for the probability thing to work, but it was more of a probability discussion than a strategy discussion. If cop hints too strongly he's a cop than he's going to get whacked probably since he has the ability to really push people to make a vote.
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Hey guys, I'm traveling right now so I can't make a big post (writing this from my phone), but I'll make a bigger post with my analysis/opinions on everyone later. Should happen in a few hours!
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After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see.
##Unvote
##Vote Jaminz
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the voting ends in like 8 hours, right?
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I never understand the 24 hr night 48 hr day thing, if to understand it as 48 hr whole day, with 24 being night (aka 50:50 split) or 24 hr night and 48 day (aka 1:2 split).
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On April 24 2011 07:10 freestalker wrote:
the voting ends in like 8 hours, right?
I don't know how the whole day/night thing works. I assume it's gonna be 24 for day and 24 hours for night. I thought it might be 12 day/12 night but guess not =]
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Aha, nevermind. After checking other threads, it's still over one day. Sorry for the confusion.
I still have my suspicions on some people and am waiting for posts from jaminz, and hardcorey,
Enervate still didn't really contribute with anything, either. I'm holding my vote there for now. Sorry bro.
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and for the record, ascle and sirael still haven't posted.
And one thing that came across my mind that someone might find useful, when you change the url to contain ¤tpage=all instead of ¤tpage=## (## = some number) you'll see the whole thread in one page. It's easier to search through posts like that.
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or you can use the all button on the bottom right for the pages.
you always want to check the game specific rules on the OP for day/night cycles btw.
and so many inactives.. guess we're going to end up with a inactive lynch like this. sigh, that's not good, but whatever.
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Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs)
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On April 24 2011 07:49 freestalker wrote:
and for the record, ascle and sirael still haven't posted.
And one thing that came across my mind that someone might find useful, when you change the url to contain ¤tpage=all instead of ¤tpage=## (## = some number) you'll see the whole thread in one page. It's easier to search through posts like that.
Or you could click the All button at the end of the page numbers show on the upper right and bottom right of the page ^_^
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>_< totally didnt see the other two posts about that lol. So three hours until night and the vote breakdown is
Enervate 1
pHelix Equilibra 2
Jaminz 2
HardCorey 1
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On April 24 2011 08:52 FezTheCaliph wrote:
>_< totally didnt see the other two posts about that lol. So three hours until night and the vote breakdown is
Enervate 1
pHelix Equilibra 2
Jaminz 2
HardCorey 1
As far as I know 1+2+2+1 =/= 11...
Jaminz should post soon about his thoughts (as he said), hopefully it'll be before night. Still, so few people have voted it's kinda rediculous... Where is the participation!?!?
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I'm still here. But leaving, right now. As I mentioned above, the day cycle should be 48 hours so we still have over a day to vote/discuss/change votes.
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Yea just saw that >_<. So we have another 24 hours after tonight. I'm holding on to my vote for now then. Wanna get more information before voting if we have a whole more day.
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On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote:
Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs)
How am I confusing? I'm just trying to get a hang of this game, first time ^^. Am I doing something wrong?
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My general thoughts on the game so far:
1. We don’t really have a ton of information about anyone so far (besides # of posts & inactivity), so I agree with the arguments that we should try to keep things active.
2. Be wary of people quickly bandwagoning/jumping onto one target to lynch. Mafia only have one KP per night, so in order to try to gain an advantage more quickly, I’d expect them to try to get us to lynch people who they know for sure aren’t mafia. Thus, if you see 2 or 3 people quickly jump on a lynch candidate, I’d be suspicious.
3. There are a few votes against me thus far, but they seem to stem from the fact that I was inactive and made a comment early on asking if we should just start accusing people. I don’t really think that’s much of a reason to lynch me, so I’m not going to spend much time defending myself unless someone gives me a reason I should.
My thoughts on players so far:
pHelix Equilibria (7 total posts)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 01:40 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
Hello, sorry I have actually been out of town traveling in lieu to Easter Weekend. My sincere apologies. and was unable to see this. But it looks like there is a case of the ol' group think process. I'm obviously at a large disadvantage. But am I too late?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes?
Can the town change votes? Before the day is over.
With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared.
Was an early lynch candidate because he was the last person to post something. First few posts were mostly apologizing for being inactive.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:46 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
Well I've read the other Mafia threads and you're right there is some heavy discussion here. But It seems like there isn't enough people talking to have a discussion. Much less we have two for a conversation. With more than a third being relatively quiet it seems the most obvious choice would be to get rid of the ones who are quiet.
You could get something going here vyro.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see.
##Unvote
##Vote Jaminz
Later goes on to say we should be suspicious of inactive people/lurkers, and lynch them. That’s slightly suspicious to me, but not really enough to peg him as mafia (it’s still way to early obviously). To be transparent, I’ll mention he was one of the people who voted for me.
Rising_Phoenix (7 total posts)
Has been fairly active so far, at least with the size of his posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 23:57 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
Sorry I was very asleep so I just woke up (10:50am where I'm at).
Since we don't have any conducive evidence of anyone who is mafia yet I think it is a safe bet to vote on pHelix. Unless he comes out to defend himself he is a safe bet because:
1) If he is mafia he is hiding from lack of posting
2) If he is a townie he is snot contributing anything to the posting/discussion
3) If he is afk he's useless to everyone anyways
I need to read some older mafia threads to get a better idea of how to post and tells for who is mafia or not.
So, until other evidence suggests otherwise:
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
Gives reasons to vote for inactives, pretty harmless post.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
##Unvote
Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well.
First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic).
The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =].
----- Break for other half---
Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now.
Silent members have three possibilities:
1)They're trying to hide
2)They're lazy or disinterested in the game
3)It's a holiday and they're traveling
Going through we have these people being pretty inactive:
-jaminz: a few filler posts, nothing as contribution to the thread, pointing fingers
-aScle: one post?
-Enervate: very little posting as well
These players have said very little or immediately start pointing fingers (Enervate) when they start pointing. However, it doesn't make sense to choose him because he hasn't bothered defending any accusations or contributing anything to support his claim.
aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content and have not been active in general. Also, Jaminz has been very ready to point fingers but has little supporting evidence. I'll vote for him since he's just detracting from town synergy.
So, unless he can defend himself:
##vote Jaminz
This is his biggest post so far. I honestly don’t see a ton of value here. He did some basic math about chances of guessing right on the first lynch, but that doesn’t really help us decide who we should pick. He’s basically just mentioning some basic mafia strategy (the cop should hint to us which mafia to pick, etc.). There’s obviously no harm in doing any of this, and I guess I could see how it might be helpful to newer players.
Building off of that: If you believe you have a strong scum/Mafia read on someone, the best way to go about getting the rest of the town on your side is to go back through every post the player has made in this thread (use the search function) and compile a list of suspicious behavior. I would strongly recommend that any blues not roleclaim until near the end of the game, or unless you find some other important reason to do so.
Again, in order to be transparent I’ll mention he also voted for me.
HardCorey (8 total posts)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2011 09:06 HardCorey wrote:
I just want to play. I think I can handle a non-newbie version but if this is the way to get initiated ill play here first. :D
Right off the bat he mentions he thinks he’s ready for a non-new player version of mafia. This seems to imply some familiarity or experience with the game. Nothing suspicious about that, but good to note.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote:
So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them.
Most of his posts are just filler (“Hi how are you” type things) until this. Is happy to lynch inactives without much proof/evidence otherwise that they are mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 20:38 freestalker wrote:In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not? Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
“Your (not our) lack of experience” seems to again imply familiarity with the game. The last sentence is somewhat intriguing. He mentions that he’s waiting for people to talk, and that people are eager to point fingers at those who are scum-hunting, but fails to do any scum-hunting himself. Curious. Again, not enough to paint him as red, but something to note : )
FezTheCaliph (12 total posts)
Was inactive to start, but since returning has been very active.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 04:09 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Woah sorry guys. I had a long night(last minute project) and slept for most of yesterday =/
Thanks to freestalker and vyro for the sum up posts ^_^
Now I'll try to get a tally of the current votes going.
Enervate has 2 votes(including mine)
aScle has 1 vote
pHelix Equilibra has 3 votes(unless I missed an unvote)
and I'll join in the vote on Enervate because he's pointing fingers already but mostly because he's inactive since doing so. He’s been keeping track of the vote count, which is helpful : )
##Vote Enervate
Vote on enervate due to inactivity (later retracted). Reasoning is fair as far as I can see.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 05:06 FezTheCaliph wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
##Unvote
Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well.
First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic).
The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =].
----- Break for other half---
Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now.
Silent members have three possibilities:
1)They're trying to hide
2)They're lazy or disinterested in the game
3)It's a holiday and they're traveling
Going through we have these people being pretty inactive:
-jaminz: a few filler posts, nothing as contribution to the thread, pointing fingers
-aScle: one post?
-Enervate: very little posting as well
These players have said very little or immediately start pointing fingers (Enervate) when they start pointing. However, it doesn't make sense to choose him because he hasn't bothered defending any accusations or contributing anything to support his claim.
aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content and have not been active in general. Also, Jaminz has been very ready to point fingers but has little supporting evidence. I'll vote for him since he's just detracting from town synergy.
So, unless he can defend himself:
##vote Jaminz Only issue with that is that if the cop outs himself right away, the mafia will know who he is and whack him, unless the medic heals him that night. So either we lose our cop right away or have two of our speciality units incapacitated for a night, leaving the mob free to thin our ranks. Its not a bad idea but I'm pointing out the downside. Devil's advocate is fun ^_^
Points out that we need to keep the cop/medic roles a secret for a while. Good logic, overall I get somewhat of a town read from him, but his posts don’t have a whole lot to analyze in them so far (besides the one).
Sirael (2 total posts – one of 2 least active players)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 00:51 Conversion wrote:Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys! Then i'll make the start. Was outside the whole day chilling in the sun (still 25°C at 8 pm). As this is my very first game, i hope i don't make too many mistakes. Anyway GLHF to you all and let's hope for an interesting game.
This is his only post since signing up. It has no real substance other to say “yes I’m here.” Also, it should be noted that he seems to have only posted because someone called him out for not posting. This is suspicious, but he could just be a new player that’s somewhat scared to post. He needs to post more.
(Note: if you’re a new player, just post your thoughts. Don’t worry about being seen as mafia for analyzing another person; the best thing you can do is just to do some analysis on players and state your opinions about them).
freestalker (22 total posts – our most active player)
The first thing I’m going to note here is that every post (except like 3) has a smiley face in it. An enthusiastic town member, or a mafia trying to seem happy & town aligned? I think the former, but who knows.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 00:41 freestalker wrote:
Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person.
Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon.
I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation.
phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post.
1. pHelix Equilibria
0
2. Rising_Phoenix
2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning?
3. HardCorey
2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died)
then trying to confuse voting of inactive,
and then voting!
4. FezTheCaliph
1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here"
5. Sirael
1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all.
6. Freestalker
DAT IZ ME
7. Enervate
only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_<
8. Conversion
seems to be trying! +point
9. Jaminz
so far 2 kinda empty posts.
now voting
10. vyro
2 posts, so far also not too much,
asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around)
11. aScle
1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it?
Here’s his first big post giving a summary of everyone’s posts up until that point. Analysis strangely missing (for the most part).
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:06 freestalker wrote:mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw ##Unvote
##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say?
He started by voting for pHenix, and now for enervate. It seems he’s just jumping from inactive player to inactive player.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote:
the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal.
This strategy makes sense, and follows the same logic I would use.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote:
Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs)
He posts some analysis, but still doesn’t really say what he thinks about the people he mentions. Since he’s pretty active, I’d like to see a bit more opinions & evidence to back them up in his posts.
Enervate (4 total posts)
He jokes in the beginning about a few players (including myself) for being mafia because we said “let’s kill mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 05:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me.
This post is kind of suspicious to me just because of the part at the end. A few people voted for him because of his first post & inactivity, and all he ends up saying is “don’t vote for me.” There’s no analysis, no reasoning, nothing of substance. This is pretty suspicious to me.
Conversion (17 total posts)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 00:51 Conversion wrote:I'm not too familiar with Night 0, but I suggest keeping the following tips in mind. If you are blue, do NOT claim unless it is absolutely necessary. (ie, you are medic about to be lynched) Be wary of fake claims by Mafia if the cop is dead. Always be confident in your analysis/voting so you don't look like mafia (I had trouble with this in my current mafia game.) Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys!
Solid advice right off the bat. He’s more or less the one who got things/posting started in the thread. Encourages discussion.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 13:59 Conversion wrote:
yeah, I'm trying to correct that logic cause night 0 (from what I've seen) used to create plans and let town pressure inactives right off the bat so they can try and force errors from mafia players.
never take discussion hours for granted. just saying.
Really wants us to talk to each other. I agree with this desire.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:50 Conversion wrote:
You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post.
the usual proportion of blues:greens I am not sure about. I think it depends on the host and the game.
Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move.
A usual townie plan just outlines and establishes ideal town environment and some policies (no inactivity, lynch all liars, etc.)
I'd start off by pressuring an inactive, who still hasn't posted yet... so
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
He was the first one to vote, and started the bandwagon on pHelix. I think he’s trying to play this game differently than his last (one I’m also in).
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:01 Conversion wrote:
We can change the vote, don't worry. We were just pressuring you for being inactive.
##Unvote
Now stay and contribute! :D
And try not to spam, it's considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
People might not take votes because they're not on the computer (time zone conflicts)
He seems to be very positive in his posts. I like this.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 03:01 Conversion wrote:Hey, nothing to feel self conscious about I'm a pretty terrible player, but this is a learning experience. Let's just try our best to learn, yeah? And it really is hard to have a discussion with so many people just disappearing.. So let's start off with some basic questions for everyone to spark up some discussion; I'm eyeing all the inactives right now. DO you think we should lynch an inactive day 1? What are your current opinions of the players in this game? Do you agree with following policy lynches as the game progresses?
Brings up some discussion topics. I’d like to see him answer these himself. The fact that he didn’t is a little suspicious.
Overall he seems to be trying to get people talking, and is being pretty helpful overall from my point of view. This could be either because he’s town and wants to help (most obvious reason) or because he’s mafia trying to build town credibility and direct the game. A lot of his posts have been trying to direct other players & get them to talk (he’s made a few pressure votes, etc.). I don’t really have a good read on him yet, other than the fact that he’s been very active so far.
Jaminz (8 total posts, including this one)
I’ll let you guys do the analysis on me. It’s pointless for me to do it.
Vyro (6 total posts)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 01:09 vyro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 17:50 Conversion wrote:
You want to read the OP for game-specific mechanics like clues. OP states that there are no clues in this game, so clues aren't included here. Any normal game with clues, however, usually incorporates something (sig, profile picture/info) into a night post.
about that. lately, i haven't been able to expand spoilers. when i click "show spoiler", the page refreshes to the top, and the address bar has a pound sign in it. i'm using chrome 11 Show nested quote +
Posting less is considered detrimental to ideal town environment, where everyone is posting and contributing. Posting does not necessarily mean that one is pro town, however. Being inactive let's mafia blend in and it is why inactivity is frowned upon. Inactivity isn't really a sure mafia tell, but it is considered anti-town/scummy behavior.
Lies to catch mafia.. I would suggest reading some mafia games where there were fake roleclaims that contradicted behavior/posts or something like that. Mafia actually falsely role claims often if it will pay off, though it's usually a very heavily calculated move.
ok, i see. i guess i could understand why they would want to fake roleclaim. i'll be looking through those previous mafia games, however daunting it may seem. it'll be interesting to see how phelix defends himself if he ever shows up ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria
His first two posts don’t have a lot of substance to them, but he asks some questions in the first which is good. He bandwagons a vote onto pHenix without giving much explanation for why.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems
This post I like. He gives his opinions on players with some (scattered) evidence to back it up. Right off the bat this gives me an impression he’s a town player. However, it’s still very early in the game so everything can change.
aScle (2 total posts, our other least active player)
He’s literally said nothing other than “gl hf.” He needs to post more, or I’d be tempted to put a few votes on him.
More overall thoughts:
We need people to post more. Don't be afraid to do analysis. The more people we have scum-hunting and looking out for suspicious posts the better. Don't worry about being wrong. It's much worse to just sit back and be scared to post than it is to have some of your opinions or analysis be wrong. This is a beginners game, so force yourself to make some posts & put yourself out there. No one here is a pro.
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The reason why we're all targeting people with small posts is because we're trying to see if we can get them to post, and therefore get information about them. Also, as I said again, lynching non-posters are safe unless we have more information to go by. The problem is that who someone would act for a post would depend on the person. Is the over-analyzing person mafia trying to pretend to be a villiage or is it an actual do-gooder mafia?
And here's another thought: The more we post trying to figure out mafia, the more the mafia is trying to figure out important roles: the doctor and the detective. Posting is a two sided sword. Post too much and people thing you're either trying to be too good or being too active for a reason, or too inactive you're trying to hard something. Sometimes an inactive poster is just and inactive poster for one reason or another.
Those are the main reasons why I'm looking at inactive players.
The game itself is important, but we have to remember people have real lives as well (or at least some of us do =P), so anyone can't be on or as active as we like. If you're on a plane right for 5-8 hours you can't really be active for that time or if your busy with family.
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I'm not saying people should post just to post; that's actually detrimental to the town and would make me suspicious of that person. I do, however, think it would be beneficial for people to give their opinions about other people in the game. If you don't have an opinion about someone, don't worry about it, and you don't need to post about it. I want people to look at players they think could be acting suspiciously, analyze their posts, and post their opinions.
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Wow jaminz. Going from inactive to super substantial post! I guess the only critique I have to say is that you don't really paint anyone red. The closest you get is saying a couple of words here and there are suspicious. Granted I can't fault you for that because I honestly have no idea either. I was just kinda hoping for more information before I vote again. I also thought we were supposed to have our votes in by an hour ago >_<.
Would you say our best bet is to wait it out a bit more or do you have any gut feelings about any of the players?
I guess thats more of an open question so everyone feel free to answer, but I was specficially asking Jaminz cuz you seem to have a better handle on this game than most but have yet to vote
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On April 24 2011 13:29 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Wow jaminz. Going from inactive to super substantial post! I guess the only critique I have to say is that you don't really paint anyone red. The closest you get is saying a couple of words here and there are suspicious. Granted I can't fault you for that because I honestly have no idea either. I was just kinda hoping for more information before I vote again. I also thought we were supposed to have our votes in by an hour ago >_<.
Would you say our best bet is to wait it out a bit more or do you have any gut feelings about any of the players?
I guess thats more of an open question so everyone feel free to answer, but I was specficially asking Jaminz cuz you seem to have a better handle on this game than most but have yet to vote
I'm currently leaning towards a vote for either Enervate (you can go back and check my analysis if you want to know why), Sirael (inactivity), or aScle (inactivity). Enervate seems to have read the thread, noticed he was voted for, and done nothing at all to even attempt analysis. The last two have been completely useless, but we've got another day to get our votes in (I think) so everyone still has time. These are just what I'm leaning towards right now, so everything is subject to change.
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On April 24 2011 13:41 jaminz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 13:29 FezTheCaliph wrote:
Wow jaminz. Going from inactive to super substantial post! I guess the only critique I have to say is that you don't really paint anyone red. The closest you get is saying a couple of words here and there are suspicious. Granted I can't fault you for that because I honestly have no idea either. I was just kinda hoping for more information before I vote again. I also thought we were supposed to have our votes in by an hour ago >_<.
Would you say our best bet is to wait it out a bit more or do you have any gut feelings about any of the players?
I guess thats more of an open question so everyone feel free to answer, but I was specficially asking Jaminz cuz you seem to have a better handle on this game than most but have yet to vote I'm currently leaning towards a vote for either Enervate (you can go back and check my analysis if you want to know why), Sirael (inactivity), or aScle (inactivity). Enervate seems to have read the thread, noticed he was voted for, and done nothing at all to even attempt analysis. The last two have been completely useless, but we've got another day to get our votes in (I think) so everyone still has time. These are just what I'm leaning towards right now, so everything is subject to change.
Lol yea. I really wanted to be like, hmmmm "Don't vote for me" , such a compelling arguement, and keep my vote for him, but since my biggest argument against him was inactivity and he somewhat explained it, I gave him the benefit of the doubt
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Oh i literally forgot about this for a day >.<
Well since its only the first day i can't really say much on who is who. but
On April 24 2011 05:14 Conversion wrote:
Still waiting on a lot of the inactives..
In my honest opinion, cop should check an inactive. It'll turn out to three outcomes, probably 2 or 3 since inactives tend to often be blue roles/mafia
Writing in first person, don't take this as me being cop or anything.
1) Confirmed townie. Oh well, let's hope I get a better result tomorrow. I can defend this townie to death because I know he's town.
2) Confirmed blue role. Nice! Now I know who the medic/cop is. I can act very vocal and hint for the medic to protect me or hint DT to check someone I wouldn't check in order to get 2 checks done in one night.
3) Confirm mafia. Well, now I have to tunnel him hard and hope town follows my analysis and lynches him.
Seems like a reasonable strategy to me except for the fact that if you get the first investigation as a townie then the subsequent choices on who to investigate would get harder as then there will be less or if not no inactive to check on.
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Regarding Enervate
it seems like he is the most suspicious person to me as he started off basically accusing 3 people and upon realizing this tries to edit his previous post to get rid of the evidence
On April 24 2011 05:21 Enervate wrote:
Lol I started to edit my previous post but then I remembered we are not supposed to edit. About my earlier accusations, I was just kidding. I felt like saying something else besides "gl hf".
He later shrugs off his accusations as jokes again
On April 24 2011 05:21 Enervate wrote:
Lol I started to edit my previous post but then I remembered we are not supposed to edit. About my earlier accusations, I was just kidding. I felt like saying something else besides "gl hf".
The rest of his posts are pretty much saying "Don't vote for me" which leads me to concluding he is the most suspicious so far hence
##Vote Enervate
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So, my internet was dead as i wope up yesterday. Couldn't log in for
the whole day. I already thought that i'd be modkilled by now 
I'll try to give some of my opinions. At the moment, ignoring the
actual vote counter, it seems like there are two vote candidates
pushed by jasminz.
First there's the inactive aka aScle. While lynching an inactive
(for whatever reason he is)
isn't the worst thing to do, it is by no means the best either.
It essentially gives the mafia one free kill in night1. Therefore it
should be our number one goal to just get everyone posted as much as possible,
simply ignoring the inactive.
In case of need we can still jump on him if we don't find a better alternative.
Jaminz' second suggestion is basically the same only that Enervate
postet a reason why he can't post.
When I look at jaminz himself i get a bit confused. He gets in the game
saying that he want's to improve his analysis(which he obviously did)
and at the beginning of the game he seems quite depressed that there's
not much posting going on.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 15:49 jaminz wrote:
Should we just start accusing someone of being mafia to get people talking? I don't really know where to start the conversation. On April 23 2011 13:56 jaminz wrote:
I don't think he meant we shouldn't discuss, I just think he meant that there's nothing really to talk about yet lol
The first time I read those two posts I didn't really notice them
but the more I think about it the more it seems like he doesn't want
us to post that much. But maybe that's just me...
He continues with doing what he joines the game for, analysing. So I
guess he's quite safe for now, but you'll never know.
I really don't know who I should vote for at the moment, maybe someone
can give me a good idea?
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Forget the part of my post about inactives as we only have a half left now. But he seems to get the
votes loaded on him. Better for him if he comes back from his easter trip soon.
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After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents.
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On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents.
And who exactly are these inactives you speak of? Pretty much everyone so far currently has made a post/posts indicating that they are in fact active.
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About the Day 1 lynch: I'll just say it, chances are we're going to end up lynching a townie. Just by looking at the numbers, theres a pretty small chance we're going to actually kill mafia on day one, especially with what little information we have. That being said, I think all we can do is go for who we think is the most suspicious person. So far, Enervate seems the most suspicious to me now that Sirael and aScle (good posts from you two, thanks for your analysis) have come back. I've got easter plans today so I won't be quite as active as I was yesterday, but I'll still definitely be checking the thread. For now, my vote is:
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
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If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
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On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
It's not hard to get my vote off you. Do some analysis, give your opinions on someone. You haven't contributed anything to the until this post. That's all I'm saying.
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On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
I am sorry mate but your post makes no sense. What you're saying is -
mafia members have more motive to participate actively -- are you saying townies are the ones less active in an average game? if so, you are very wrong. Passivity and no posting is an optimal ground for mafia to hide, since if noone posts, they don't have to post either. If they don't post, they can't make slip-ups and can't be analyzed later.
huge long posts = a lot of information to analyze, sooner or later. The more you type the more you can be analyzed, the more consistent you have to be if you're trying to pull off some trickery.
And one of those three votes is mine that has been there for quite a while and is going to stay there unless you give me a good reason to change this.
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Can someone post vote tally? I'm too lazy to go through the thread and try and find anything.
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
So your defense is that you're not trying to defend yourself? And then you decide to blame jaminz because he wrote a huge analytical post? It sounds like you're just blaming the guy for trying to help out the community. If anything it makes you sound like a whiny person trying to shift blame from someone who is helping to someone who has an unsubstantial post history.
Looking at your previous posts in the thread I have seen nothing more than filler posts and useless joke posts until this most recent post. This either mean your a townie who is contributing very little or trying to hide something.
Also, some people (such as myself) hate making small useless posts and only tries to post when they have something significant to contribute. This means I take the time to go into my thoughts and flesh out some idea rather than making a wild accusation.
Jaminz post history was pretty small until post 151 (here) when he analyzed about everyone's posting history. Afterwords he has basically been defending his post and putting pressure on Enervate to defend himself since he hasn't been contributing much to the thread. To me this seems kinda suspicious, though he said that he's been busy with traveling. Considering his only significant post is quite comprehensive, I'm willing to take him at his word. It doesn't mean he isn't trying to hide, but it means that at least he's contributing to the thread. I'm willing to let him off for now but if he does anything suspicious I'll definitely start voting for him.
So without further adieu (sp?)
##Unvote
##vote Enervate
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I'm going to reply to few points concerning me, from jaminzs' analysis. Not that I am too worried about them, but I want to make few things clear.
On April 24 2011 10:39 jaminz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 20:38 freestalker wrote:In any case, we'll need to vote for someone anyway, so let's do this. Inactivity is not good. I was also wondering if banhammer/substitution will apply or not? Also I am wondering about some of you if you're just using your lack of experience to avoid any kind of talk. And I'm still waiting for Enervate to post some more. It's been a while now and I've seen nothing else just pointing of fingers at people who are willing to hunt the scum ##Vote: pHelix Equilibria “Your (not our) lack of experience” seems to again imply familiarity with the game. The last sentence is somewhat intriguing. He mentions that he’s waiting for people to talk, and that people are eager to point fingers at those who are scum-hunting, but fails to do any scum-hunting himself. Curious. Again, not enough to paint him as red, but something to note : ) Ignoring this post is in the part concerning HardCorey -- I was refering to some players that were asking about things that can be found in almost any mafia guide they were asked to read and are pretty obvious, yet they still ask about them. Sentences like --
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote:
i hope i don't make too many mistakes.
On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes?
Can the town change votes? Before the day is over.
With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. (22 total posts – our most active player) The first thing I’m going to note here is that every post (except like 3) has a smiley face in it. An enthusiastic town member, or a mafia trying to seem happy & town aligned? I think the former, but who knows.
Yep, this may be true. I like putting smilies around mainly when I feel this to be kinda 'family' environment. Also I am pretty aware I am being a bit paranoid and critique almost everyone around, so I drop a smilie here and there to make it a bit 'lighter' ( ) About the post count, I am pretty aware some of them are posts that are asking for some stuff, or posts that were created when I remembered something extra. It's not entirely best way of doing things and making the thread spammy. I am aware of this and will try to make less posts that would be longer and try to think longer before writing down stuff instead of writing 3 posts in a row+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 00:41 freestalker wrote:
Alright, I made a short summary list of posts in this thread so far person per person.
Everyone take what you wish for yourselves from it, but what I find most disturbing is the lack of posts at some points. And some people didn't post for almost a day now. I admit there is not that much to talk about so far, but hopefully we'll get there soon.
I would like to see more talk from everyone, but those bolded ones have 0-1 posts and are the most critical in this situation.
phelix is probably afk and maybe even didn't notice the game has started. others have 1 post and know the game is on, yet don't post.
1. pHelix Equilibria
0
2. Rising_Phoenix
2 empty posts + 1 possible bandwagoning?
3. HardCorey
2 empty posts after asking, then trying to deny discussion (since noone has died)
then trying to confuse voting of inactive,
and then voting!
4. FezTheCaliph
1 empty hello post so far just to let us know "he's here"
5. Sirael
1 post after asking, afraid of making mistakes, eh? ain't we all.
6. Freestalker
DAT IZ ME
7. Enervate
only post so far is pointing fingers at me and jaminz for saying we're up to hunt scum >_<
8. Conversion
seems to be trying! +point
9. Jaminz
so far 2 kinda empty posts.
now voting
10. vyro
2 posts, so far also not too much,
asking newb questions (maybe intentional, maybe not? with all those guides around)
11. aScle
1 post, hi all gl hf! lolwut. that's it? Here’s his first big post giving a summary of everyone’s posts up until that point. Analysis strangely missing (for the most part).
This post was mainly to drop some suspicion around, make some people feel not comfortable, while summing up all the posts so far. The intention was to - start discussion as people might want to defend theirselves and point out inactive/not contributing ones.+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:06 freestalker wrote:mmm, seeing there's some kind of activity now and you're not just dead weight, the vote may go to someone else. A good joke, btw ##Unvote
##Vote Enervate How about you, sir? Got something to say? He started by voting for pHenix, and now for enervate. It seems he’s just jumping from inactive player to inactive player.
While I agree this was a bit too quick to change, the intention of voting for phelix in first place was to make him talk. This does not mean I am not watching him anymore. To be honest, many posts in this thread may put some suspicion almost on anyone, probably including even me. I am not afraid, though.+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote:
the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal. This strategy makes sense, and follows the same logic I would use. I am glad, even if it is kinda simple and straightforward strategy. Sometime I am not sure what I should post and what is obvious+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote:
Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) He posts some analysis, but still doesn’t really say what he thinks about the people he mentions. Since he’s pretty active, I’d like to see a bit more opinions & evidence to back them up in his posts. Here I would like to point out you don't point fingers around too much either. There is not much to grab onto yet, IMHO and I don't blame you for that. I have suspicions, there are some connections that might or might not be intentional.
For example. Few people that are not even in the list that I mentioned, but I'll write it now.+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 08:36 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 08:07 Conversion wrote:
That just leaves phelix.
Lots of discussion here guys...
/sarcasm Well some people are probably busy with work or classes and some people are in all sorts of time zones, so give it some time. conversion points out that phelix is inactive. Phoenix jumps to defence. To be honest, I never really thought of defending anyone like that. Inactives are inactives, let them do something or they die. Most of them won't be lynched for inactivity in the end anyway. Phelix got targetted by conversion and me. hardcorey tried to defend him -- + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote:
So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them.
This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not)
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 23:48 HardCorey wrote:
Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier.
few minutes later, defending phelix in a way, implying we are wasting a kill on someone who hasn't posted, while votes can be changed and it has been mentioned before this is to force activity and just threaten people. Fear too much?
few minutes later phoenix states the obvious and votes for phelix and hardcorey does as well
later phelix comes with his confusing/feared posts with questions,
[spoiler]On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes?
Can the town change votes? Before the day is over.
With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared.
[/spoiler]
then gets untargetted and once feels safe targets an inactive member with random blabbing about the town. following the post with patting vyro on the back for doing a good work with analysis
later phoenix comes with his maths, pointing out three inactive members and choosing jaminz as his target. a while later phelix joins him. last post of phoenix+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 11:39 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
The reason why we're all targeting people with small posts is because we're trying to see if we can get them to post, and therefore get information about them. Also, as I said again, lynching non-posters are safe unless we have more information to go by. The problem is that who someone would act for a post would depend on the person. Is the over-analyzing person mafia trying to pretend to be a villiage or is it an actual do-gooder mafia?
And here's another thought: The more we post trying to figure out mafia, the more the mafia is trying to figure out important roles: the doctor and the detective. Posting is a two sided sword. Post too much and people thing you're either trying to be too good or being too active for a reason, or too inactive you're trying to hard something. Sometimes an inactive poster is just and inactive poster for one reason or another.
Those are the main reasons why I'm looking at inactive players.
The game itself is important, but we have to remember people have real lives as well (or at least some of us do =P), so anyone can't be on or as active as we like. If you're on a plane right for 5-8 hours you can't really be active for that time or if your busy with family.
So that's one point of view at certain groups. However, there are other people that are out of this group and are acting differently with people pointing fingers at each other. I am afraid we won't know much more until the first death.
with this 'inexperience' of players it's hard to say who's really just doing that accidentally or who is just making their little 'acting'.
From my standpoint - I am active, I have nothing to hide, I can keep my head up without feeling I have anything to lose. I am not afraid of mafia shooting me even if that will probably happen quickly, I think we still will have people who'll be able to work with the information that will be left behind.
I know my posts don't have much of pointing at people, just small hints, and sometime I'm not revealing (selectively revealing) all of my thought processes in order to wait for certain people to respond in a way without or with pressure.
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EBWOP: In the part about Hardcoreys post --
This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good (there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not)
should be
This post on its own is strange. Asking what the reason is, then agreeing inactivity is good reason to do so
(there is plenty of time for phelix to get active, so why not)
Also I forgot to say it was a pretty nice analysis post from jaminz. I read it few times and probably will do so again in the future. Everyone should make one of those, or at least post opinions on people (more than one of them). It will become extremely useful in the future.
one more thing I wanted to say about HardCorey was the last post was voting for phelix, since then he's inactive.
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When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.)
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I hate how so much happens after I got to sleep. I should just give up sleep ^_^.
Vote tally (to the best of my knowledge)
Enervate 4
pHelix Equilibra 2
Jaminz 2
HardCorey 1
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Sorry guys, school's starting again (high school ftl) and I'm finishing up a lot of work.
I'm on my iTouch right now so forgive this contentless post.
I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him.
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Seeing there is a lot of confusion with voting, I'll post my table.
VOTING --
day 1 (so far)-
1. pHelix Equilibria -- ascle (9) > jaminz (15)
2. Rising_Phoenix -- phelix (3) > jaminz (12) > enervate (19)
3. HardCorey -- phelix (4)
4. FezTheCaliph -- enervate (11) > none (14)
5. Sirael
6. Freestalker -- phelix (2) > enervate (8)
7. Enervate -- jaminz (18)
8. Conversion -- phelix (1) > none (7) > HardCorey (13)
9. Jaminz -- phelix (5) > enervate (17)
10. vyro -- phelix (6) > none (10)
11. aScle -- enervate (16)
sum -
jaminz 2
enervate 4
phelix 1
hardcorey 1
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hey conversion, happy birthday. Will you be around more anytime soon?
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On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.)
And you wonder why I said I was too lazy to count all the votes. It's easier to create content (i.e. forum posts) instead of looking through 5 pages of day1 posts trying to figure out what the actual voting count is. When you look at a specific person you can just go to their profile and look at their previous posts, but looking back at many pages of posts with lots of arguing and re-voting it's hard to keep tally of who is voting who.
Also, I never said that I wasn't occasionally a hypocrite.
On April 25 2011 05:48 Conversion wrote:
Sorry guys, school's starting again (high school ftl) and I'm finishing up a lot of work.
I'm on my iTouch right now so forgive this contentless post.
I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him.
I keep forgetting HardCorey is even in the game. He would make another good vote considering that he hasn't said anything at all.
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By hypocritical I meant inconsistent.
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On April 25 2011 05:48 Conversion wrote:
I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him.
I thought about him as a possible vote earlier today but I wanted to wait for his reaction. Because he's not reacting to your pressure at all, i'll simply add more.
##Vote HardCorey
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Korean time birthday thanks
I'll be on, but idk how my posts will be since they'll be coming from my iTouch. I'm not sure if I can do analysis, but maybe if I go to a library after school or something I can try.
I'll be here though, don't worry. And the reason I'm putting this out is because my play from my iTouch.. well just look at XXXVIII. That was played completely from my iTouch =/
wow this took me 5 minutes to type.. lol.
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Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey
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Hey Conversion, I hope you get your analysis out as soon as possible, preferably before the end of day, hmm?
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My opinions on the players
1. pHelix Equilibria
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 01:50 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
I see the deadline on the rules, but what is the rules regarding votes?
Can the town change votes? Before the day is over.
With a clear majority coming at me ? Eeek I am scared. Tries to establish himself as a scared townie, imo. Ambiguous statement regardless, either a scum move or an honest town statement. On April 24 2011 02:15 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
Thank you sir. I got to say that picture of our town is pretty. That white sedan is mine on the left.
My condolences to Qatol's son, really. It is sad to see drug addiction go untreated.
##Vote aScle
I want to hear his voice! Attempts to pressure, no content in his posts. On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see.
##Unvote
##Vote Jaminz Regurgitates ideas that have been said by a few other people in the thread. Either a reclusive townie or a dodging scum. No opinion yet since there are such a few amount of posts.
2. Rising_Phoenix
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 05:27 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 05:16 freestalker wrote:
the cop doesn't have to role claim to find enough evidence and push the conviction on others. Roleclaiming is probably a good option only once there are like 1-2 mafia left and he knows who they are, or if mafia is claiming they are a cop and the real cop knows one other mafia member (netting 2 mafia for 1 cop), etc. If medic manages to figure out who cop is before he roleclaims, he should be the only target to heal. I was just looking at it mathmatically. I know cop would have to roleclaim for the probability thing to work, but it was more of a probability discussion than a strategy discussion. If cop hints too strongly he's a cop than he's going to get whacked probably since he has the ability to really push people to make a vote. Soft defense of his post with statistics. Though it was baited by some other player, still trying to gloss over the fact that he has almost nothing to contribute. Try to do some analysis! It won't hurt. No opinion yet.
3. HardCorey
+ Show Spoiler +Hardcore lurker. Dodges attempts at discussion because "he doesn't know what to discuss." On April 23 2011 23:44 HardCorey wrote:
So what would you say is your justification for voting on pHelix Equilibria? You know you're right though, not having posted seems like a good enough reason to kill them. On April 23 2011 23:48 HardCorey wrote:
Although are we wasting our first kill by using it on a member that hasn't posted? I think someone who is the mafia would probably become more involved earlier. On April 24 2011 00:05 HardCorey wrote:
fair enough. group mentality here I go.
##Vote: pHelix Equilibria Those were his last three posts. First off, he contradicts himself in his first post. "Not enough posting seems like a good enough reason to kill them," yet we have the perfect example of someone who is barely contributing to town. Second quote displays his uncertainty. Maybe his scum buddies are not active, so he didn't think about his first post as he was typing it. Third post has HardCorey blatantly stating that he is sheeping pHelix. Then he disappears. Strong scum read on HardCorey atm.
4. FezTheCaliph
+ Show Spoiler +I don't feel like quoting his posts since over half of them are just vote tallys. Might be a scum move by trying to contribute without actually contributing. You too, try some analysis.
5. Sirael
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 02:50 Sirael wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2011 00:51 Conversion wrote:Anyways, a list of people who haven't posted yet. 1. pHelix Equilibria 3. HardCorey 5. Sirael We want to hear from you, guys! Then i'll make the start. Was outside the whole day chilling in the sun (still 25°C at 8 pm). As this is my very first game, i hope i don't make too many mistakes. Anyway GLHF to you all and let's hope for an interesting game. First post. Goes inactive for a loooooong time after that. On April 24 2011 18:03 Sirael wrote:So, my internet was dead as i wope up yesterday. Couldn't log in for the whole day. I already thought that i'd be modkilled by now I'll try to give some of my opinions. At the moment, ignoring the actual vote counter, it seems like there are two vote candidates pushed by jasminz. First there's the inactive aka aScle. While lynching an inactive (for whatever reason he is) isn't the worst thing to do, it is by no means the best either. It essentially gives the mafia one free kill in night1. Therefore it should be our number one goal to just get everyone posted as much as possible, simply ignoring the inactive. In case of need we can still jump on him if we don't find a better alternative. Jaminz' second suggestion is basically the same only that Enervate postet a reason why he can't post. When I look at jaminz himself i get a bit confused. He gets in the game saying that he want's to improve his analysis(which he obviously did) and at the beginning of the game he seems quite depressed that there's not much posting going on. + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 15:49 jaminz wrote:
Should we just start accusing someone of being mafia to get people talking? I don't really know where to start the conversation. On April 23 2011 13:56 jaminz wrote:
I don't think he meant we shouldn't discuss, I just think he meant that there's nothing really to talk about yet lol The first time I read those two posts I didn't really notice them but the more I think about it the more it seems like he doesn't want us to post that much. But maybe that's just me... He continues with doing what he joines the game for, analysing. So I guess he's quite safe for now, but you'll never know. I really don't know who I should vote for at the moment, maybe someone can give me a good idea? First paragraph basically explains why he was inactive. Fair enough, as we have a lot more inactives in this game. Very wishy-washy with his opinions. Indecisiveness is something a newbie scum player might display because of their inability to deceive town. Tries to pass off his opinion on jaminz as "confusion." This can be a future set up for his posts. Basically a big wall of nothing. No analysis, hardly any opinion, and a lot of wishy-washiness. On April 25 2011 06:26 Sirael wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 05:48 Conversion wrote:
I'm sticking with my vote on HardCorey since he's lurking hard atm, even with me pressuring him. I thought about him as a possible vote earlier today but I wanted to wait for his reaction. Because he's not reacting to your pressure at all, i'll simply add more. ##Vote HardCorey Sheep. This brings me to a slight scum read on Sirael. Do some analysis or contribute more, please.
6. Freestalker
+ Show Spoiler +Very strong town read on freestalker. I don't feel like quoting every single post he made, but he prods around and is generally promoting a good town environment.
7. Enervate
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
Incredibly weak and scummy defense after prodding him for inactivity. Basically putting out possibilities that people voting for him might be mafia, just because. No logic, nothing. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Trying to contribute without actually contributing. They wasn't an ounce of analysis in his posts, just some opinions here and there. Add to the fact that he's vote tallying like everyone else is, trying to seem like he's contributing. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey Sheeping, plain and simple. Try to explain your reasoning. Is it a pressure vote? Did you like the case against that certain person? Sheeping is generally frowned upon here and is considered anti-town(not necessarily scummy) behavior.
8. Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +Case against myself..? =p
9. Jaminz
+ Show Spoiler +Another player I have a strong town read on. Just look at the first major post in this thread.
10. vyro
+ Show Spoiler +Really inactive. Dodgy when he isn't.
11. aScle
+ Show Spoiler +Also another inactive. Pops up here and there and tries to blend in with town, imo. On April 24 2011 22:34 aScle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents. And who exactly are these inactives you speak of? Pretty much everyone so far currently has made a post/posts indicating that they are in fact active. Might be a move trying to soft defend inactives. No read yet.
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Finished a lot of my work to do this =)
I still think HardCorey is the best lynch here.
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Well, I gotta go sleep again.. I got stuff to think about and voting ends before I wake up. HardCorey is still inactive so we can get that one out so that cop doesn't have to focus on inactive person. I hope you all try to contribute with your analysing as much as possible in the due time.
I'm gonna switch my vote to HardCorey, the lower amount of inactives the better. If he turns up and provides some reasonable info, change votes to someone else reasonably. Try to work on your own, too. Don't get over-influenced by single individuals. Try to be objective. If needed, read some guides to get some better information.
Anyway.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey
If I'm correct this is now in "favor" of HardCorey.
It is possible it will be a townie, though. Everyone should count with that if you've seen some guides or other games. If we're lucky it'll be mafia.
Also I've been thinking about posts of Conversion.
In my state of utter paranoia I imagined he could be mafia. With his previous experience (and reading of few guides) he can give a general help for the game (that he does). The positive thing is he is trying to enforce discussion, and asks questions. However, as jaminz also pointed out he does not answer them on his own (no suspicion from him, except for inactives). He also suggests for detectives to target inactive people. If he was mafia and knew all his friends are active, it would be a very good wasting of the cop ability. The better solution would be to enforce inactives to talk to reduce their number to like 1, lynch that one, and then detective can target non inactives for more reasonable results, since he can read their posts and see some hints. And the last thing about Conversion is the fact that now few hours before end of voting he says he can't really contribute and will do analysis when he can. I wonder if it will be before end of day.
Anyway. I am pretty sure if Conversion is innocent he will prove it. There are good signs, but there are signs for a possible doubt, in my opinion.
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Alright, good enough analysis. Disregard my theorycrafting for now, but I think you will also agree what I wrote makes sense.
The problem is (as you and probably someone else noticed) there are too many inactive/suspicious looking people. If we counted all suspicious ones as mafia, we'd be left with like... 5 mafia. And that's not correct. However, I think after this day and next night, day 2 will be more successful, giving us more connections and supporting information.
I guess people just have to die to win this >_< Even if it means some innocents will die in the process.
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Yeah, that's why I'm hoping people will step up, do some analysis.
Ideal town environment so mafia has to get involved. Most likely newbie mafias won't want/know what to do, so.
Hopefully Corey will get lynched today. And it's okay to mislynch day 1. Most day 1s don't end up with a mafia lynch anyways.
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I'll throw a vote for HardCorey .
##Vote HardCorey
I hope he gets active and defends himself. I don't like the idea of voting inactives out just because I doubt that inactives are mafia.
As for analysis, I guess now's a good a time as any.
1. pHelix Equilibria
+ Show Spoiler + Seems to me to be a bit eccentric but I get a town vibe out of him. He's not the most tactful which leads me to believe he is town. If he were mafia he'd either shut up or be told to shut up by the other mafia.
+ Show Spoiler + He was a bit defensive when very light accusation was thrown at him, but that feels more natural to me than suspicious. He does seem to be a bit accusatory, which makes me want to keep an eye on him. At this point though, I think its more him being active then necessarially mafia, but I'll definitely keep an eye on him.
+ Show Spoiler +Most inactive. Hasn't really said anything worth mentioning, just a random vote for the person everyone was voting for. Most likely not mafia but as he's been so inactive, he wont be missed.
4. FezTheCaliph
+ Show Spoiler + A tactical genius. Voice of a generation. Sexy brown studmuffin. All around appealing guy
+ Show Spoiler +Not much about him. Some posts with some content but nothing substantial. Just his opinions on the more controversial people. Only thing to be wary about is that he was the first to jump on the HardCorey bandwagon, granted I can't say much as I did too.
+ Show Spoiler +Easily the most active poster. Is doing a great job keeping up with everything and doing analysis and directing conversation. The only thing that worries me about him is that he could be overcompensating, being the super active townie as a front. I don't think that is very likely. But thats about the only negative I could think of.
+ Show Spoiler +Seems pretty defensive. Granted he had everyone voting against him. Was quick to try and point the finger elsewhere and jump on someone else. It seems more of a reflex. I kinda feel he got scared and that didn't help his case any. Seems like a natural reaction but could have more sinister undertones. Another person to keep an eye on.
+ Show Spoiler +Is pretty active. Not exactly his biggest fan because he called me out on not posting much aside from tallies. I'll be honest, aside from theory crafting I kinda stayed out a bit. I wanted to see more peoples opinions before I went out pointing fingers. And it seemed like a lot of work, and I am fairly lazy. So I'm going into analysis now ^_^ Anyway Conversion seems alright. And its his birthday! So yea I'll leave him be.... for now =p
+ Show Spoiler +Went from inactive to having some good insights. Seems alright, and I get a big town vibe off of him.
+ Show Spoiler +Idk about him. He was active for a bit and then kinda disappeared. Could be sinister, could just be real life.
+ Show Spoiler +Just recently showed up and posted a bit. Seems a bit late to the party and that troubles me a bit. Seems like he's trying to save face by showing up at the last minute
These are just my views on individual players at the moment. I kinda feel that people were less active cuz it was the weekend, and I'm hoping things will pick up.
so yea, tl;dr voting HardCorey, worried about phelix, phoenix, enervate, vyro, and aScle.
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So it seems we have two major candidates to lynch: Enervate and HardCorey.
It seems the reason people are voting for HardCorey is because he’s inactive, which I completely understand and even support to an extent.
I’m having a hard time with this vote, but I think I’m going to stick with my current vote and go with lynching Enervate.
I’m getting more of a scum feel from him than from anyone else this game. We’ve seen him make some posts, and honestly it seems like in most of them he’s just trying to deflect attention away from himself.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
When I voted for him, he made a post about it, and without any real thought or analysis he immediately voted for me. It’s understandable to be a bit defensive, but I think that the best way to get people to stop voting for you is to prove your worth to the town. This means doing analysis on other players, which not only points out suspicious actions of others, but builds credibility with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.)
Here he does a bit of analysis, but when I read it I fet like even his analysis was just done to deflect blame from himself. He backs up every comment he makes by saying that the reason he believes someone is or isn’t mafia is because they either did, or did not vote for him. That doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, as no one else knows if you’re mafia or not, so it’s pretty much just circular logic.
All that being said, I’m still having trouble deciding whether or not Enervate is mafia or just a new/inexperienced/bad town player. I’m leaning towards the former, but I’m still on the fence.
On inactives:
Like others and I have said, inactivity is a problem. However, I think there is always a chance that some players are still just having difficulty getting into the game. This was a tough weekend for many, being Easter, and so I think it’s understandable to give everyone a free pass for at least the first lynch.
Overall, I think that either vote (HardCorey or Enervate) makes sense, but I think that the vote for Enervate is based more on his posts/what he has said, while the vote on HardCorey seems to mostly just be a vote against inactivity. I don’t see a ton that separates HardCorey from other inactive players, and so I think it makes sense to give everyone another day or so to get up to speed.
A final note (I’ve mentioned it before, but I think it’s still important):
Be wary of people quickly bandwagoning/jumping onto one target to lynch. Mafia only have one KP per night, so in order to try to gain an advantage more quickly, I’d expect them to try to get us to lynch people who they know for sure aren’t mafia. Thus, if you see 2 or 3 people quickly jump on a lynch candidate, I’d be suspicious. This has happened both with HardCorey and with Enervate, so it doesn’t tell us too much, but just be aware of it/on the lookout.
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The problem I have against lynching Enervate is that he actually bothered to reply. Also, there are too few posts made by him that actually leads me to a strong scum read.
Corey, on the other hand, is either lurking or not caring about the game. Both are detrimental to town, mafia or not. Since Enervate actually replied, albeit scummy replies, I have a feeling we will get a stronger read on him later on in the game.
That being said, I encourage EVERYONE to post something useful to town. We can't have mafia blending in the background and 2-3 really active townies (jaminz/me/free). Mafia will just pick us off and town's inactivity will lead them to defeat.
Let's start setting up an ideal town environment now so it doesn't screw us over later on. Don't let inactivity beat us.
Does the night end at 1 AM EST? (Roughly 14:00 KST)
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+ Show Spoiler +So it seems we have two major candidates to lynch: Enervate and HardCorey. It seems the reason people are voting for HardCorey is because he’s inactive, which I completely understand and even support to an extent. I’m having a hard time with this vote, but I think I’m going to stick with my current vote and go with lynching Enervate. I’m getting more of a scum feel from him than from anyone else this game. We’ve seen him make some posts, and honestly it seems like in most of them he’s just trying to deflect attention away from himself. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
When I voted for him, he made a post about it, and without any real thought or analysis he immediately voted for me. It’s understandable to be a bit defensive, but I think that the best way to get people to stop voting for you is to prove your worth to the town. This means doing analysis on other players, which not only points out suspicious actions of others, but builds credibility with the town. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Here he does a bit of analysis, but when I read it I fet like even his analysis was just done to deflect blame from himself. He backs up every comment he makes by saying that the reason he believes someone is or isn’t mafia is because they either did, or did not vote for him. That doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, as no one else knows if you’re mafia or not, so it’s pretty much just circular logic. All that being said, I’m still having trouble deciding whether or not Enervate is mafia or just a new/inexperienced/bad town player. I’m leaning towards the former, but I’m still on the fence. On inactives: Like others and I have said, inactivity is a problem. However, I think there is always a chance that some players are still just having difficulty getting into the game. This was a tough weekend for many, being Easter, and so I think it’s understandable to give everyone a free pass for at least the first lynch. Overall, I think that either vote (HardCorey or Enervate) makes sense, but I think that the vote for Enervate is based more on his posts/what he has said, while the vote on HardCorey seems to mostly just be a vote against inactivity. I don’t see a ton that separates HardCorey from other inactive players, and so I think it makes sense to give everyone another day or so to get up to speed. A final note (I’ve mentioned it before, but I think it’s still important): Be wary of people quickly bandwagoning/jumping onto one target to lynch. Mafia only have one KP per night, so in order to try to gain an advantage more quickly, I’d expect them to try to get us to lynch people who they know for sure aren’t mafia. Thus, if you see 2 or 3 people quickly jump on a lynch candidate, I’d be suspicious. This has happened both with HardCorey and with Enervate, so it doesn’t tell us too much, but just be aware of it/on the lookout.
This was an accidental repost of my earlier post.
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i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night
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From the Doc H's first post:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 11 PM EST, but that is subject to change.
I think that means the day will end in about 23 minutes.
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23 minutes.. wow.
and you're right vyro, I probably got a little carried away in my analysis. But this is how the game should be played. We're all relatively new; just because inactives don't put in the effort to try and be better at the game does not mean people who are trying (ie, me) are going to drop the regular scum reads because of their relative newness.
And the key difference between you and some other inactives' behavior and HardCorey's behavior is that he just disappeared. That means he's really being detrimental to town if we ever do get into a LYLO/MYLO situation and we have to second guess. He's not beneficial to town in any way possible and it's not a bad idea to get rid of him with all the inactives running rampant.
This ties in with the reason I don't want to vote for Enervate. He actually replies, so we can get a stronger read on him as the game goes on.
If you have a better argument for someone else, by all means post your analysis. I recommend, however, that you don't sheep someone and state your reasoning on voting for x person.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:42 Conversion wrote:
23 minutes.. wow.
and you're right vyro, I probably got a little carried away in my analysis. But this is how the game should be played. We're all relatively new; just because inactives don't put in the effort to try and be better at the game does not mean people who are trying (ie, me) are going to drop the regular scum reads because of their relative newness.
And the key difference between you and some other inactives' behavior and HardCorey's behavior is that he just disappeared. That means he's really being detrimental to town if we ever do get into a LYLO/MYLO situation and we have to second guess. He's not beneficial to town in any way possible and it's not a bad idea to get rid of him with all the inactives running rampant.
This ties in with the reason I don't want to vote for Enervate. He actually replies, so we can get a stronger read on him as the game goes on.
If you have a better argument for someone else, by all means post your analysis. I recommend, however, that you don't sheep someone and state your reasoning on voting for x person.
The sheeping/bandwagoning on HardCorey is part of why I don't think he's the best choice to kill. It just seems like people are jumping on him because he's got the most votes so far. It seems like he's probably going to get lynched anyway though, so it probably doesn't matter too much right now.
Also, sorry for the double post above. I clicked back on my browser and it reposted that. I PMed Doc H to see if I could edit it to delete it or put it in a spoiler so it'll take up less room.
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Game ending/shift time changed to Midnight EST.
Jaminz given permission to edit to conserve space
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Yeah but the bandwagoning happened with Enervate too.
Each to his own, I guess. I'm sticking with HardCorey.
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Vote tally:
Jaminz: 1 (pHelix Equilibria)
Enervate: 3 (Jaminz, Rising_Phoenix, aScle)
pHelix Equilibria: 1 (HardCorey)
HardCorey: 5 (FezTheCaliph, Sirael, Freestalker, Enervate, Conversion)
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Vyro initially voted for pHelix Equilibria, but then unvoted. He never posted who he'd like to change his vote to, so it's hard to say what happens there. If his vote doesn't count, then the tally is the same as above. If it counts for pHelix Equilibria, then change pHelix Equilibria's count to 2.
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no, i was waiting to see if any more posts showed up to sway me. hardcorey really has done nothing so far, so although, he's probably a townie (statistically, not gut feeling), we don't have much else to go on right now. i don't really see enervate as scummy, though i find it odd ascle doesn't recognize his accusations as joking.
##Vote HardCorey
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Okay. I've been through the posts and here's what I think. I haven't cross analyzed some players who have played in other mafia games so forgive that oversight.
pHenix:
+ Show Spoiler +He's been posting semi-frequently but he hasn't had any major contributions to the thread. His biggest post is this: On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents. Every other post is is band-waggoning or minor filler posts. He latched on my idea to vote for Jaminz at the point when he's been inactive, though since then he(Jaminz) has made a major change since then. As far as I know pHenix has not made another post since this one, and as you can see it hasn't helped us much than to focus on inactives. If we look at motivations, it could mean one of two things: 1)pHenix is a blue and is just sitting in the middle ground to keep from getting mafia attention but enough to look like he's contributing 2)pHenix is mafia and trying to hide by only vaguely contributing. If we put pressure on him we might see how this develops.
HardCorey:
+ Show Spoiler +He posted anything recently. Either he is disinterested in the game or is hiding. As a Blue he gets nothing from being completely nonresponsive. at most Mafia, at least an AFK player.
FezTheCaliph:
+ Show Spoiler +Fez has been quite active posting. Nothing significant, however. This seems like potential blue or mafia behavior like pHenix if he is being conservative so he doesn't draw attention. He has been a nice cheerleader though and supportive/arguing different decision points. and has good reasons for his lynch votes. He also posted an extensive analysis on everyone here. Probable townie.
Sirael
+ Show Spoiler +He has been pretty inactive, though this is barring the fact that most of us are in US and he is in Germany so he won't be active at a similar time than us. His largest post puts some suspicion on Jaminz and aScle. Also there are no posts from his account other than these few posts, so it's hard to put huge money on him. I think he's a townie.
Freestalker:
+ Show Spoiler +One of the most active posters, and definitely very free about posting his thoughts and trying to get people to talk. He doesn't try to hide and he doesn't jump around in his opinions of other people. He seems to be rallying with Conversion as leaders for our group, and is becoming a pretty important member. I think he's a townie based off of this post: On April 25 2011 02:37 freestalker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
I am sorry mate but your post makes no sense. What you're saying is - mafia members have more motive to participate actively -- are you saying townies are the ones less active in an average game? if so, you are very wrong. Passivity and no posting is an optimal ground for mafia to hide, since if noone posts, they don't have to post either. If they don't post, they can't make slip-ups and can't be analyzed later. huge long posts = a lot of information to analyze, sooner or later. The more you type the more you can be analyzed, the more consistent you have to be if you're trying to pull off some trickery. And one of those three votes is mine that has been there for quite a while and is going to stay there unless you give me a good reason to change this. He argues that townies are and should be active and out posting, getting people to post, and calling out inactive members. Considering he is taking his own advice he is probably a townie.
Which brings us too:
Enervate:
+ Show Spoiler +Enervate seems to be a weird poster in the group. However, there are a few posts that stand out to me. especially his most recent ones. On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
He argues that mafia members would vote against him and that there are three people voting against him, and therefore since he knows he's innocent and randomly attacks the person to put an argument against him. Looking at his previous post history, we don't see much in the way of activity though clearly in his TL profile he is an active poster (4.5 posts per day), yet he has posted very little in this game. Since then, he posted a minor analysis which has really said nothing more than Fez isn't mafia and everything else we've heard from other members. However, when voting for inactive he very happily joins in. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey To me this looks pretty mafia-esque. I'm going to stick with my vote for him for now.
Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +He has been a very active poster and really helped rally the town-members together along with free-stalker. His posts show that he's taking initiative and trying to get everyone involved, pointing out inactive players and getting them to posts as well. All in all, I think he's probably a townie.
Jaminz
+ Show Spoiler +Since being active after traveling, He's been quite active as a poster, writing that super extensive analysis and really got the ball rolling for getting people to start posting their opinions on people. (bad sentence =D) Anyways, he's been active, but not taking as many leadership qualities as Free or Conversion, and has been a bit conservative on posting opinions. I think he's blue.
vyro:
+ Show Spoiler +He has been fairly inactive lately. His last post was page 6 and since then he has contributed nothing. I feel like he's trying to slip through right now, but if he comes out and says something I'm not going throw him under a bus. I consider him a potential mafia. In time of writing this, he joined his vote against HardCorey.
aScle:
+ Show Spoiler +Minor posting again, but more active currently than vryo. Haven't seen him make any big accusations or opinions yet and it's been two (real time) days. Another person to coax out and see what happens when he starts making larger posts.
I spent more time writing this than most papers =P. I'm sticking with Enervate as my vote unless he gives me a really good reason to change.
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We know HardCorey is dead. I have to believe he's town though since I doubt there's any way mafia would let him be this inactive.
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HardCorey the Cop has been lynched.
Flavor text comes later, maybe tomorrow. Tired.
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so about lynching the inactive being the best idea ever >_<
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I'll just post this for now:
HardCorey: 6 (FezTheCaliph, Sirael, Freestalker, Enervate, Conversion, vyro)
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Wow. This is why I said post and defend yourself or something.
Don't get too taken aback by this guys. Blue roles don't win games, effective discussion and lynching win games.
Blues being sniped/mislynched kill town morale, but an active town > blue roles. Remember, blues should only supplement town's analysis and lynches.
Extremely disappointed at HardCorey's play though. sigh.
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Yea I know. Well we still have medic.I was staying up just to see this. Sighhh. Well I'm gonna go sleep and hope I don't get whacked.
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On April 25 2011 13:31 Conversion wrote:
Wow. This is why I said post and defend yourself or something.
Don't get too taken aback by this guys. Blue roles don't win games, effective discussion and lynching win games.
Blues being sniped/mislynched kill town morale, but an active town > blue roles. Remember, blues should only supplement town's analysis and lynches.
Extremely disappointed at HardCorey's play though. sigh.
Wow. That was actually really uplifting. Thanks!
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wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point?
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I'm going to second Conversion's post. Obviously it's not good to have a blue killed on the first day, but we can still get through this. Keep your head up, and keep posting those analyses! I'll have a big one some time tomorrow most likely.
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On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point?
We can discuss anything, but I would strongly suggest that the medic not reveal him or herself for pretty much the entire game. If there is a medic, just look through the thread and decide based on posts who you think is the most valuable person to keep alive. If you think someone in particular is drawing attention to themselves, and think they're a valuable asset, it would make sense to pick them.
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I'm going to head in for tonight. School tomorrow =/
Medic should use his power at his own discretion. Discussing during the night is generally frowned upon, unless it is analysis (I think Ver does this). Feel free to discuss whatever, I'm going to hit the bed. Sooo tired.
Let's hope we catch scum on our next lynch.
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Ninja'd by jaminz.
Good night, guys!
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Ok so looking into the people who helped lynch HardCorey, we have
Conversion
+ Show Spoiler +He starts the Vote on HardCorey as a pressure vote for him to contribute and keeps is vote on him due to his inactivity + suspicious sheeping behaviour.
Sirael
+ Show Spoiler +The next one to start bandwagoning under the premise of pressure on HardCorey
Enervate
+ Show Spoiler +Seems to bandwagon alot with on his voting and his previous suspicious behavior. His vote seems to be mainly due to the pressure put on him by others voting on him. Tries to convince others that he is just a scapegoat while pretty much scapegoating others. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey
Freestalker
+ Show Spoiler +Starts his first vote on Phelix as a psuedo bandwagon choice with the reason being inactivity. Then changes votes for i believe Enervate for pretty much the same reason.
He justifies his subsquent vote change on HardCorey as "lower amount of inactives the better"
FezTheCaliph
+ Show Spoiler +Last one to bandwagon Starts vote on enervate and then swaps to hardcorey it is worthy to note... On April 25 2011 10:41 FezTheCaliph wrote:
3. HardCorey
Most inactive. Hasn't really said anything worth mentioning, just a random vote for the person everyone was voting for. Most likely not mafia but as he's been so inactive, he wont be missed.
wait so lets get this straight... you don't believe he is mafia and yet you voted for him. I thought the point of this game is to vote on mafia's and not random people.
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Hrm, I didn't expect to get here in this morning but I did and will comment on my reasoning behind voting for HardCorey. I didn't want to post that yesterday, but what the hell, this is newbie mafia.
I switched my vote for him for few very simple reasons..
One -- inactivity. Very simple. He probably doesn't even know he's dead yet.
Two -- There was a HUGE bandwagon on Enervate. And yet only person defending him was Enervate himself. He was easily about to get lynched. I have a belief if he was mafia someone would stand up for him. I am still not sure if he's mafia or not, though.
Three -- HardCorey wasn't forced to post at all with that low vote count. Everyone seemed to be happy voting for Enervate. With voting for HardCorey I pushed the voting in other direction, expecting to get some response from him, or defense from others (if he was mafia). I wasn't here after my last post because I was sleeping.
To be honest, the blame lies on HardCorey himself. But at least we have the voting info. This was a terrible first lynch.
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Just to defend my "he's most likely not mafia" statement, there were quite a few posts about voting for inactives. I agreed with the logic behind them and thats why I voted for the inactive player. I had no proof of him being mafia, or any strong reasons behind it other than that he was inactive, which is why I didn't feel he was mafia(lack of proof). I really didn't have any strong vibes off of anyone else, and I needed to get a vote in before the time ran up.
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On April 25 2011 16:49 freestalker wrote:
I switched my vote for him for few very simple reasons..
One -- inactivity. Very simple. He probably doesn't even know he's dead yet.
To be honest, the blame lies on HardCorey himself. But at least we have the voting info. This was a terrible first lynch.
It is a bad lynch but I mean being the most inactive, its not like he would've even done his role? HardCorey made it hard for himself. I am sad.
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In retrospect, I took a quick look at Hardcorey's post count. I noticed he didn't post ANYTHING since April 25th. If we looked at his posting history in his profile before we made a decision, it would be really easy to see he wasn't on TL at all. However, we're were looking at the game out of context and didn't match up that he was completely gone. If we realized this, we could have saved Corey for a later lynch and instead voted for someone suspicious.
Oh well, we're learning at least.
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Well, losing the cop is not -that- bad. If I remember correctly there was a game with no blue roles and town still won. We have to move on, the world won't collapse. I think we still have a pretty good chance to win.
As I said, keep your eyes open and try to be objective. We are left with mostly semi-active and active people, things should get a bit easier.
I think there are few targets that mafia would want to primarily target. Now it's really about luck of doctor for tonight.
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alright, I decided to make a little FoS post
I decided to pick those three for now.
Sirael-
4 posts so far.
first after pointing out his inactivity. then long pause, and 2nd post after another pointing out of inactivity (even if he claims he couldn't come to internet).
the analysis post is very empty, uncertain, not standing behind his ideas, lack of confidence, saying the weather tomorrow will be nice or rainy.
then confusing more with empty (non) pointing at jaminz. asking who he should vote for.
last post is possible bandwagoning. waiting quite long for this vote
overall- no contribution, confusion, excuses. (extra note, change of vote when the voting shifts from enervate to him. coincidence?)
Enervate-
first pointing at me and jaminz for 'lets hunt scum' posts
then big pause, then 2 posts saying to not vote for him and giving excuses for his inactivity and poor defense of accusations, no real contribution
then after being voted by jaminz, he instantly votes back, with no reasoning back-up. really really bad.
another post is more excuse and analysis that is not very firm and not really persuasive, mostly based around people accusing him. along with attempt to add tally of votes (that is wrong anyway)
and then he changes his mind to vote for inactives (in a way he criticized before, when others did the same)
(interestingly enough voting for enervate doesn't cause much hassle, everyone seems to be quite confident there is something wrong with this guy, except for vyro who suggests he doesn't find him as scummy)
Vyro-
2 posts bringing up his inexperience.
no content posts about his spoilers, then voting phelix for inactivity.
a bit of his opinions on players -
no real new things, seems he realizes how scummy his posts looked so far.. however, he suggests enervate 'jokingly' accuses me. how does he know? enervate hasn't responded yet. (I don't want to make this personal, though. I realized this just now)
next post is suggesting more how 'we' are new to this, including himself. not sure what to do, asking who to vote for. got no opinion?
later after majority of votes is on hardcorey he adds his own.
if he was mafia, the last post could be understood as trying to pull information who they should not target, since they'll be protected.
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EBWOP:
in Sirael part - change of vote when vote shifts from enervate to hardcorey
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Just got back from school. I'll start contributing once day begins, really busy today (first day back from spring break)
Does night end at 11 PM EST?
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Night started at 12 PM EST, so I guess it will end in 8 hours.
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@Sirael don't you mean 12am?
Really right now I think we should be figuring out who to protect for night one. Here are possible people for doc to protect:
1) Free: most active poster, trying to figure out who jumped the bandwagon and likes to push pressure on other members to get them to contribute. Right now inactivity is our biggest weakness since it is allowing mafia to potentially hide as lurkers in the thread.
2) Jaminz: Excellent constructive posts, and is willing to argue a case if he thinks he's right and uses good arguments to prove his points.
3) Conversion: Helping us rally on a, to be honest, pretty bad loss. Even though Corey was definitely inactive, and therefore useless, it helps that someone is helping us push on to find who is mafia.
4) Myself: I'm selfish, and I want protection =]. Also, if Jaminz, myself, or aScle, who all voted for Enervate, were to die, than it would mean Enervate could be mafia trying to save his skin.
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Don't protect me, they probably expect that.
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hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
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I thought we weren't allowed to talk at night?
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It really depends on the player's choice.
I think it's a good 24 hour discussion period; others don't think it's that great. It's completely opinion based.
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My general opinion is that talking at night is fine if you think you have something that needs to be said. Additionally, if you think you might be killed that night you should post whatever analysis you have saved that you think may help town. Otherwise, I tend to be pretty quiet at night.
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On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this:
I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro.
One of his first posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance
There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like.
I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems
Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night
Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point?
This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro.
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Are we having a night post?
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Oh my god i suck yes we are having a night post i lost trrack of time im sorry my personal life is kind of crazy right now
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They found his corpse lying in a grocery store freezer. He was severed limb from limb with his guts spilled on the floor, iced over from red to a clear blue. It was Jaminz and the scene might have been morbidly beautiful if I didn't know him so well.
Yes, things have really changed around here.
Nevermind that our last good cop was hung at the hands of a town overcome by hysteria, nevermind the smoke and mirrors that have had our best men at each others throats for what seems like eternity, there is still hope.
Whoever did this, will pay dearly. I have to believe that. It keeps me alive.
Jaminz the Townie is dead
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Haha, thanks for the game everyone. Good luck town!
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i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. my early posts are riddled with questions due to me not knowing what else to post. i know most will argue quality over quantity, but some quantity must be met or this group lynches as evidenced by the first round of votes moving from phelix, the initial inactive to the next inactives hardcorey and enervate.
There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like.
i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look).
This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person.
i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me
He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity.
again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game.
i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap
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On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on. bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle
On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day. my early posts are riddled with questions due to me not knowing what else to post. i know most will argue quality over quantity, but some quantity must be met or this group lynches as evidenced by the first round of votes moving from phelix, the initial inactive to the next inactives hardcorey and enervate. There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts:
1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part)
2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. i guess this goes to show i shouldn't say everything off the top of my head, which has been stated before in a guide. for that i apologize, but isn't every townie afraid of being falsely accused as a mafia as is the case right now? i look consciously because i haven't done this before. and i hate to use that defense because it's a lame one, but it's the truth (lol how weak does that look). This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. i thought it would be helpful that the medic save someone beneficial. i guess that's pretty condescending to the medic's basic reasoning skills though. as it's pretty obvious who our important posters are. still need to learn how to balance open discussion with giving away too much information i guess. what are 'blatant' plays to you are not as blatant to me He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. jaminz says no one's accused me of anything big, but then again no one's really been accused yet, ignoring enervate. and there has been a lot of suspicious floating around me, so yes there does seem to at least be a trend in suspecting me whereas others have been noted for purely their inactivity. again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game. i really wish i hadn't posted my earlier stuff because in hindsight, they really weren't quality posts at all. even these later ones still aren't that great. but then again, this self-deprecation and self-consciousness and the open announcement of such haven't been helping either. and now that i've typed that all out, i still am not sure how to show that i'm not mafia. my actions that others have deemed questionable make sense, which again gives me some comfort that others have had suspicious. but now i'm afraid this makes it too easy for the mafia to join in and lynch me to avoid being spotlighted. should i have just posted an analysis of others rather than defend myself against a dead person? i'll post an analysis of others and suggest better lynch targets, but i really wanted to get this post out asap
I can't see how being the suspect can give you comfort, but ok. yes, please, I would like to see your analysis, make sure to be thorough. Repeating your mistakes over and over is not helping you at all, obviously. I am still wondering if you could/couldn't write that defense post -before- the night post.
That being said, I would like to see more activity from everyone again. It's a new day, no need to be worried of getting shot for a while now. Gogo posts, discussion.
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You'll be missed, jaminz. :/ kind of expected you, me, or free to go down, to be honest.
I'm going to school right now (spring break's over). I'll probably drop by a library to make a case against Sirael, Enervatw, and vyro after school
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On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big.
I don't know what else to say, vyro seems like our best choice for lynching or at least as jaiminz put it " take a long look at vyro".
however just some minor speculation from me...
we have 3 or possibly more posibilites
1. vyro is a mafia and killed jaiminz to stop him from digging "deeper"
2. vyro isnt mafia, the mafia people might of looked at jaiminz's post and purposely killed him and pretty much "force" us to lynch vyro.
3. vryo is a mafia and saw the post and killed jaiminz which made it look like the mafia killed jaiminz so vyro would appear to be "set up" and hence losing some suspicion on him
the next scenarios would be the equivalent of reverse reverse reverse reverse psychology (ie 5 layer inception levels deep ) and i doubt the mafia members would go this deep.
choices choices choices >.<
i must say however the first case is highly unlikely as there are also 2 members backing vyro up so i doubt they would make such an obvious mistake.
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hang on i just read vyro's post
[QUOTE]On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:
i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day.
so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea
+ Show Spoiler +but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario.
also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high
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EBWOP :damn quote brackets
hang on i just read vyro's post
On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:
i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day.
so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea
+ Show Spoiler +but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario.
also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high
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Wow the forum exploded since I was asleep.
There is something interesting I am noticing. As we are chasing against Vyro there is someone completely missing from the conversation.
Enervate.
Think about who would most benefit from a change of focus. Enervate was 2nd highest in the vote count as lynching, Me, Jaminz, and aScle voted against him and remained against him. Because of Jaminz post against vyro, we're all suddenly attacking him. And to be honest, there is a pretty convincing case against him. But isn't it odd that Enervate, #2 on day1 lynch, hasn't posted anything since his defense? He gave no help in analysis and his defense of not being mafia were, to be honest, pretty bad.
Looking at his post history he's been active in other threads so we know he's not dead, but he hasn't posted in this one. History here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Enervate&gb=date
If anyone has a good counterargument let me know, but for now he looks incredibly suspicious.
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Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours.
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On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
An interesting point, definitely worth taking into consideration. However, I don't think the activity of his posting (right after Dr's post) 100% mean he's mafia. Also, he was addressing the points and accusations of Jaminz, who happened to by killed yesterday. It is obvious the mafia felt threatened by Jaminz and decided to kill him for one reason or another.
That being said, his posting has been really inconsistent, as analyzed by Jaminz and Free. Jaminz post is especially well thought out, so I'm actually going to put is spoilers down here as review.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote:On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours.
This section itself raises a few questions. First of all, Jaminz initially posted suspicions about you being mafia and here was your INSTANT reaction until you bandwagoned on HardCorey.
On April 25 2011 00:13 jaminz wrote:
About the Day 1 lynch: I'll just say it, chances are we're going to end up lynching a townie. Just by looking at the numbers, theres a pretty small chance we're going to actually kill mafia on day one, especially with what little information we have. That being said, I think all we can do is go for who we think is the most suspicious person. So far, Enervate seems the most suspicious to me now that Sirael and aScle (good posts from you two, thanks for your analysis) have come back. I've got easter plans today so I won't be quite as active as I was yesterday, but I'll still definitely be checking the thread. For now, my vote is:
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
And then you posted right after:
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
Using the exact same argument as your just tried to use on me. Also, if you were considered mafia why would other mafia members come defend you if you were considered mafia? If they were going to defend you it would be obvious that they would also be considered mafia, especially since no one bothered to defend you after the first accusation. Also you offer no decent counterargument yet.
Also, based on your argument there there is my logical counter argument. No one is joining me in analyzing your posting besides jaminz, and no one is saving me from digging my own grave if I'm wrong. So because I have suspicions with your posting behavior it means I'm a mafia? If anything it just means you feel threatened and are back-lashing as best you can.
If you have a reason to believe someone else is mafia, post an actual reason, not because they're suspicious of you. If you're innocent, find a good argument to prove your innocent, don't just slander the person who is questioning you.
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I screwed up guys. Sorry. If I play this again I need to make sure I setup an alert or something to remind me about it.
I feel bad ;_; but I got what I deserved.
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Although I think its kinda fishy that jaminz warned us about vyro and then is almost immediately whacked, I think its more coincidence. Which will prompt me to ask this
Did all mafia have to send their votes in before 12am est or just before you posted the next day post
If thats the case, then it seems more like coincidence. I know its tempting to take the omnious warning of the recently deceased, but lets not jump on the bandwagon right away. Thats how we lost our cop
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Hey guys. On my iTouch right now.
I'm 100% going to a library tomorrow (closed today, fml) to do some analysis. I hope no one gave up yet =/ Stay active! Bait people to talk and all that.
FoS on Enervate and Sirael right now. Enervate for his rather poor, scummy defense and Sirael for hardcore lurking.
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Alright, so we have again inactive phelix, sirael, enervate (who wanted to post analysis with no result), vyro (who wanted to post analysis as well and is inactive now). Seriously guys, this sucks.
I will start the voting, I stated my reasons a page back.
##Vote Sirael
discuss.
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On April 27 2011 21:40 freestalker wrote:
Alright, so we have again inactive phelix, sirael, enervate (who wanted to post analysis with no result), vyro (who wanted to post analysis as well and is inactive now). Seriously guys, this sucks.
I will start the voting, I stated my reasons a page back.
##Vote Sirael
discuss.
I agree! Are we going to let scum destroy our way of life!!?!? Are we gonna let them run over our town!? I SAY NAY!!!
FOR JAMINZ!!!!
Anyways, for reasons previously discussed and from the fact he is hiding again, I'm going to vote Enervate.
##Vote Enervate
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On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. ...I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched
and
You got me there, so your reasoning for this is. "Everybody, i act and smell the most like a mafia but its alright that means i must not be a mafia as its what the mafia wants you to think." Also you are the least likely to be killed by the mafia cos you are a mafia........
I've had enough
##Vote Enervate
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Analysis on Enervate
This is from my previous post.
7. Enervate
+ Show Spoiler [Old analysis] +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
Incredibly weak and scummy defense after prodding him for inactivity. Basically putting out possibilities that people voting for him might be mafia, just because. No logic, nothing. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Trying to contribute without actually contributing. They wasn't an ounce of analysis in his posts, just some opinions here and there. Add to the fact that he's vote tallying like everyone else is, trying to seem like he's contributing. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey Sheeping, plain and simple. Try to explain your reasoning. Is it a pressure vote? Did you like the case against that certain person? Sheeping is generally frowned upon here and is considered anti-town(not necessarily scummy) behavior.
+ Show Spoiler [New Analysis] +On April 24 2011 05:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me. This screams template for his future behavior (lurking, etc.) He doesn't even make any substantial posts AT ALL after he states this. You would think a town would want to clear himself after you almost got lynched, but this is basically the image Enervate is trying to feed town (inactive, busy). On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
He's actually contradicting himself here. Take his words, "vote for other people?" Guess who he voted? A townie. jaminz, just to try and get the town's attention away from him. A bunch of useless logic trying to dictate town how mafia would act. Why would town care how mafia would act? We're all newbies, we don't have a strict sense of someone's mafia meta here. And out of the "3 people" that voted him, he votes jaminz, the one who is pressuring him the most and probably (number of games wise) the most experienced. Very suspicious On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours. First paragraph basically says "Okay, here's another excuse that I'm lurking hardcore and now I'm trying to pass it off as my lack of comprehension. Let me accuse other people without making any analysis and point fingers so you guys try to get your attention off of me." And newbies tend to respond quickly to any pressure on them, so your argument of "coming from a player that is really inexperienced" does not work. If anything, this would brand him as a newbie townie since mafia wouldn't carelessly reply on a whim. Second paragraph repeats the same thing he did in the first paragraph. His last line is golden. He promises to post more thoughts in "4 hours" but never does. He obviously wants to get by town's lynch by contributing the least possible amount. If he isn't scum (99% he is) I don't know what guides he's been reading. This is some uncharacteristically poor town play in that case, even for a newbie.
Verdict - Scum
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Also how convenient is it that jaminz died when he was pushing for enervate pretty hard?
This guy is scum. Lynch him.
##Vote: Enervate
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sorry this has taken so long. this game is much more of a time sink than originally anticipated D:
phelix:
+ Show Spoiler +has said very little besides voting to lynch inactives. early on this was ok, but no meaningful contributions at this point is a little irksome
rising:
+ Show Spoiler +initially targets inactives. critical of enervate for not defending himself as stated in multiple posts. pokes around for information a lot which is pretty good, but some of his intuition is questionable to me. he considers fez and sirael townies off of very little information. the optimism may be from a pro-townie perspective. but as scum, he would find them least threatening.
i tend to think it's the former (town) because he believes moderate activity could be indicative of a blue role
fez:
+ Show Spoiler +votes enervate due to inactivity and unvotes after a weak explanation. also defends enervate a couple of times as jaminz piles on some accusations. enervate trusts fez afterwards. looks to others to initiate. i appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to bandwagon and vote me. his one major post casts doubt on rising, enervate, and me. with a little bit of doubt on phelix and ascle.
seems pretty pro-town despite his defense of enervate (especially since he also still has doubts on him)
sirael:
+ Show Spoiler +not sure where his confusion with jaminz comes from. the two posts he quotes on jaminz isn't really contradictory. maybe he (sirael) is the confused one, but he doesn't really point fingers at anyone until hardcorey becomes the most obvious inactive. nothing much to go on here.
would like to see more posts from him to get a better opinion
freestalker:
+ Show Spoiler +curious what would've happened had enervate not accused him and jaminz so early on. one of the first to make a summary post, mainly drawing attention to inactives and enervate. points out that it's doubtful all 3 mafia are lurkers, which i agree with. had some filler posts in between, but they were generally clarifying. in a lengthy post replying to jaminz, he responds reasonably and states he's not afraid to speak up because he has nothing to hide. wish he would format his posts more neatly though, replying within the quote you're replying to is messy. suspicious of sirael, enervate, and me
strong townie vibe
enervate:
+ Show Spoiler +starts off with an excuse for inactivity and a very unbacked don't vote for me. thinks mafia will post more than townies, which is unlikely after reading the more experienced members' posts and previous games. trusts fez. suspicious of jaminz and rising. obviously jaminz was townie. as for rising, as i stated before, i believe he's more likely a townie than scum. enervate's suspicion of these two raises questions. later bandwagons onto hardcorey following the logic to lynch inactives. following jaminz's death, he still suspects rising as well as me now.
lots of finger pointing without much analysis. suspects one of the likelier townies. poor defense, definitely one of the scummier semi-actives
conversion:
+ Show Spoiler +don't like his logic on investigating an inactive. if cop checks an active, his proposed scenarios are all the same. why not check an active who you could count on to discuss and participate. one of the first hugely substantive posts, much props there. his analysis of most in that post is to analyze and be more active. lots of scum reads, but still identifies probable townies. the paranoia seems town-ish. mildly defends enervate in favor of a lynch on hardcorey, but defends himself reasonably. hardcorey was just so absent :\ suspects sirael, enervate and me. same accusations as free. troublesome? but also stems from basic logic, so i'm on the side that they're both pro-town. if they were both scum, well we're pretty screwed. what's with all the itouch business anyway? i really don't care if you're on your itouch or not, just saying
reads as town
ascle:
+ Show Spoiler +voted enervate. claims a lot of the hardcorey votes were bandwagoners. also didn't note that i voted for hardcorey as well, a slight oversight? said very very little before jaminz's death. now suspects me? jaminz's last post pointing to me was posted 6 minutes before the end of the night phase. i'm curious how late night roles typically submit their actions. despite his suspicions on me, sticks with his initial vote to lynch enervate. not sure why he didn't pursue me further, but i guess i should be thankful. his analysis on me is kind of uneventful, it feels like he could keep assuming higher levels of thinking (e.g. he knows i know that he knows that i know...)
despite the early inactivity, i don't regard ascle as scummy. his reaction to jaminz's post and my post seems appropriate of a townie
summary:
suspicious of enervate, sirael, and phelix
apologies for the lack of activity. but these kind of posts always seem so time-consuming and daunting. however, i've committed to this game, and i want to stick to it. if people still have doubts on me, i'm more than happy to answer to them.
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##Vote Enervate
vote tally:
sirael: 1 (freestalker)
enervate: 4 (rising, ascle, conversion, vyro)
i don't disagree with freestalker's vote, but i want to make sure a lynch on one of my reads goes through, and my 4th vote solidifies the lynch on enervate
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Ok, I will try to defend myself better. I'll try to explain everything I've done this game. This is my first time playing TL mafia, and I didn't really read the other games. Sorry. I'm a newb.
At the beginning, I didn't realize one key thing about this game. You are supposed to vote for a variety of people to try and find out who is mafia. I thought mafia people would be the ones trying to vote for others. That's why I thought people who were voting for me were mafia. That's why I accused basically everyone who voted me. (I also didn't realize how active I was going to have to be and how much effort I was going to have to put in to this game. I thought I would only have to make like one post a day. This is mostly because I read that each player must post at least once a day.)
Also, yes, I voted for HardCorey out of self-preservation. It was the only way for me to not die as I thought, so I did it. He was inactive as well, though.
I also posted my excuses because I thought you guys would want to hear my reasons for not being able to post much. I thought it would look suspicious if I didn't post them.
How can I prove to you guys I'm not mafia? Tell me what to do!!
My analysis:
Suspect: Phelix Equilibria
I'm not a fan of quoting the posts which I need to discuss, because it's a hassle imo, but I'll do it anways.
On April 25 2011 21:28 pHelix Equilibria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 16:49 freestalker wrote:
I switched my vote for him for few very simple reasons..
One -- inactivity. Very simple. He probably doesn't even know he's dead yet.
To be honest, the blame lies on HardCorey himself. But at least we have the voting info. This was a terrible first lynch. It is a bad lynch but I mean being the most inactive, its not like he would've even done his role? HardCorey made it hard for himself. I am sad.
On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents.
On April 24 2011 10:28 pHelix Equilibria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote:
Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) How am I confusing? I'm just trying to get a hang of this game, first time ^^. Am I doing something wrong?
These posts basically sum up his entire post history. He's been trying to blend in, and he's gone successfully unnoticed for a while. All of these posts also try justify voting non-mafia, and he doesn't actually say anything about mafia members.
Also, how interesting that he is the only other person who voted Jaminz besides me:
On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see.
##Unvote
##Vote Jaminz
As far as I can tell, he's made basically no analysis.
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Seems at least two people pointed out my logic on why I said check an inactive.
The logic was that you should be able to point out mafia simply by analyzing posts. Think about this game. We're not learning how to depend on cop to try to scumhunt, we're trying to hone our analyzing and discernment skills in order to improve.
That's why I was pressuring EVERYONE to be active, or at least post regularly. In that case, the most suspicious player will arise from DT/Cop's judgement. Obviously failed due to rampant inactivity, even up to now.
Even the most active/experienced mafia will slip if he posts too much, therefore we can point out inactive mafia much easier with cop's power. If the said active mafia goes inactive, lurks, and makes dodgy posts... well, there's your lynch.
This is why I said check an inactive. Also, the iTouch thing is in case someone like free asks me to do analysis. I'm taking time out of my personal life to go to a library to make longer posts and analysis to benefit town. It's just to clarify that I can't make long posts/analysis etc. Don't read too much into it.
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And to clarify, I no longer think Rising_Phoenix is mafia. I've reread all of his posts, and I think he was just trying to find out who was mafia. I made a lot of bad judgements earlier because I didn't really know how this game worked.
I am still suspicious about vyro, but not sure. 50/50 if I had to put a number on it. Sirael is another suspect but after reading some of his earlier posts, he doesn't sound like a mafia member, if that makes any sense.
I already said why I don't think Fez is mafia, maybe he's just so smart he decided to unvote me for some reason though. I'm not sure about aScLe either. Some of his posts gave me a mafia feeling. I'd say out of vyro and aScLe, one of them is mafia and one isn't.
So my suspects are 1) Phelix, 2) aScLe/vyro, 3)sirael
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Forgot that I need to vote:
##Vote Phelix Equlibria
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A list of who accuses who to be what from day 2 so far
ascle -> vyro enervate
phoenix -> enervate
enervate -> vyro phoenix a while later phelix phoenix vyro?
conversion -> Enervate Sirael
free -> Enervate Sirael vyro
vyro -> enervate sirael phelixphoenix fez free conversion ascle
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Well, I gotta go sleep. So I hope this lynch will be a successful one.
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
Seeing Sirael is not really going to be voted and Enervate is also in my list, I'll move my vote there to make sure at least this vote will pass. This one better be mafia or we're in serious trouble. But we should have much more info after this.
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On April 28 2011 06:24 Enervate wrote:
And to clarify, I no longer think Rising_Phoenix is mafia. I've reread all of his posts, and I think he was just trying to find out who was mafia. I made a lot of bad judgements earlier because I didn't really know how this game worked.
I am still suspicious about vyro, but not sure. 50/50 if I had to put a number on it. Sirael is another suspect but after reading some of his earlier posts, he doesn't sound like a mafia member, if that makes any sense.
I already said why I don't think Fez is mafia, maybe he's just so smart he decided to unvote me for some reason though. I'm not sure about aScLe either. Some of his posts gave me a mafia feeling. I'd say out of vyro and aScLe, one of them is mafia and one isn't.
So my suspects are 1) Phelix, 2) aScLe/vyro, 3)sirael
After reading your posts specifically. Enervate, you point fingers at Mafia without support of evidence at first. Then you start withdrawing your accusations. For you its no anaylsis, and its just what your words say. So many people give you these "Mafia feelings". Your posts are transparent, you give me Mafia feelings.
##Vote Enervate
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Sirael hasn't shown up yet. I had a post early to point this out and try and pressure vote him to post but I forgot to post it(saw artosis was streaming and was like wtf awesome!) =/
Seems pointless to vote for him at this point, wouldnt make a difference and wouldnt convince him to post.
Gonna vote Enervate, I tried to give him a bit of leeway but he seems to be sprialing out of control. Flip flopping all over the place trying to find a way out. Seems a bit too put on.
##Vote Enervate
FoS on Sirael since he spent the entire day without making a post
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Night 2
The confusion had reached critical mass. It didn't matter if those mafia scum kept hitting people, as long as they kept us killing each other. It was disheartening when Enervate was killed, but I had a feeling it wasn't the end of the world.
The more of us die, the closer we get to hitting the criminals that plague us.
The fog enveloping this town grows thicker by the day. We need a success.
Enervate the Townie has been lynched.
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Bye guys. My fault, I played bad. I'm just a newb! Hope you guys don't hate me outside of this thread! Say hi if you see me in another thread!
GL town.
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Fuck..
2 mislynches already. Sighh.
And don't quit mafia enervate! Come back whenever you have time
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Alright. Enervate was a townie. I'll look more into this later today. I have some suspicions and I'll try to post them before the end of night. In any case, 4th townie will die today, that leaves us with 7 ppl out of which 3 are mafia, so 4/3. Town can still win if it makes 3 good lynches in next 3 days, however with this activity of people it can be hardly done.
And I am getting the feeling that mafia is more active than we think.
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On April 28 2011 14:32 Enervate wrote:
Bye guys. My fault, I played bad. I'm just a newb! Hope you guys don't hate me outside of this thread! Say hi if you see me in another thread!
GL town.
No worries mate, it is a kinda difficult game >_< Sorry for the mislynch. And I am pretty sure there is no hate for you
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On April 28 2011 14:32 Enervate wrote:
Bye guys. My fault, I played bad. I'm just a newb! Hope you guys don't hate me outside of this thread! Say hi if you see me in another thread!
GL town.
No hate at all man! Just keep playing, you should be fine. Though it doesn't make it any easier for the Town =/ .
So Medic play this night is gonna be key. A loss tonight would be awful.
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so when does night 2 end? preferably in AEST cos im terrible in converting time zones
I might be posting a pretty indepth scum read maybe 5- 10 mins before it ends just so it wont affect the mafia's choice on who to kill (ala jaminz style)
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Uggh realized that i will have to post this halfway through my exam tommorow for it to be 10 mins before nighttime finishes so....
Ok to start a few things off i would like to "explain our situation" we are in right now
so we have including tonight a total 4 townies going to be killed off, which leaves us with 5 townies and 3 mafia in the lynch, so assuming that we misslynch tommorow again then we will be down to 4 against 3 and by night will be 3 against 3 which means practically the mafia will have the majority on who to lynch ie. game over
so say we lynch a mafia member tommorow we will be 4 townies against 2 mafia by the next day and if say we mislynch will have 2 against 2 by the next day
basically tl;dr we have 1 last chance to get this right and pretty much need to know not just who one of the mafia members are but at least 2 by i think night 4
To start off lets look at the people who had the deciding votes on both hardcorey's and enervates lynch
Hardcorey: conversion, sirael, enervate, freestalker, fezthecaliph
Enervate: Fez,Freestalker,vyro, rising, conversion, ascle
Everything below this points are mainly under the assumption that vyro is a mafia
It all started with this post
On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:
again, the active players seem most pro-town to me, which would leave the 3 mafia among the 5 less active (phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, ascle) which is less likely statistically, which leads me to believe at least one of them is not actually a townie. but at the same time, i'm afraid to lose any of them (the actives) because a loss of their analysis is a major loss to this relatively inactive game.
look at the list of people he thinks is mafia.
now look at the list of people that lynched hardcorey and subtract vyro's list of people
we get *drumroll*
+ Show Spoiler +FREESTALKER AND CONVERSION
if you look at the list of people who lynched enervate again we have those two people showing up.
And with that concludes my introduction and reasoning on how i started looking into this.
The following attempts to link the connections between vyro, freestalker and conversion
If we look at the opinions that vyro has on freestalker and conversion
On April 28 2011 05:52 vyro wrote:
freestalker:
curious what would've happened had enervate not accused him and jaminz so early on. one of the first to make a summary post, mainly drawing attention to inactives and enervate. points out that it's doubtful all 3 mafia are lurkers, which i agree with. had some filler posts in between, but they were generally clarifying. in a lengthy post replying to jaminz, he responds reasonably and states he's not afraid to speak up because he has nothing to hide. wish he would format his posts more neatly though, replying within the quote you're replying to is messy. suspicious of sirael, enervate, and me
strong townie vibe
conversion:
don't like his logic on investigating an inactive. if cop checks an active, his proposed scenarios are all the same. why not check an active who you could count on to discuss and participate. one of the first hugely substantive posts, much props there. his analysis of most in that post is to analyze and be more active. lots of scum reads, but still identifies probable townies. the paranoia seems town-ish. mildly defends enervate in favor of a lynch on hardcorey, but defends himself reasonably. hardcorey was just so absent :\ suspects sirael, enervate and me. same accusations as free. troublesome? but also stems from basic logic, so i'm on the side that they're both pro-town. if they were both scum, well we're pretty screwed. what's with all the itouch business anyway? i really don't care if you're on your itouch or not, just saying
reads as town
as you may see here his posts have far from bad things to say about the two individual and initially tries to mask his allegiance to conversion by critizing and disagreeing with his logic but then ends up with nothing bad to say about them
and finnally we have this
On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
coincidence? i think not!
And now we have out looks on freestalker
to start of we look at the reasoning behind his vote on enervate
On April 28 2011 07:21 freestalker wrote:
Well, I gotta go sleep. So I hope this lynch will be a successful one.
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
Seeing Sirael is not really going to be voted and Enervate is also in my list, I'll move my vote there to make sure at least this vote will pass. This one better be mafia or we're in serious trouble. But we should have much more info after this.
Basically bandwagonning with no real opinion on why he chose enervate to be lynched. Again look at his other suspicions... no conversion
I have to say in both freestalkers and conversions post, they are both critical towards vyro, however this looks to me as a tatic to conceal their relationship. Its is noted however that they are never overly or ever overextends their accusations on vyro and tries to accuse him enough to not get him lynched. Need evidence for this? Well has vyro been lynched?
And last of all we have Conversion
On April 27 2011 12:44 Conversion wrote:
FoS on Enervate and Sirael right now. Enervate for his rather poor, scummy defense and Sirael for hardcore lurking.
well enervate is dead and sirael is incidentally NOT freestalker or vyro, jsut going to leave this here
You may all think and say im looking far too deep into this stuff but
On April 28 2011 06:17 Conversion wrote:
This is why I said check an inactive. Also, the iTouch thing is in case someone like free asks me to do analysis. I'm taking time out of my personal life to go to a library to make longer posts and analysis to benefit town. It's just to clarify that I can't make long posts/analysis etc. Don't read too much into it.
so why out of the 9 to 10 people we have you say free?
I could have more to say like the voting trends of each suspect and even just simple scum reads but i just realized that i have a fuck load of exams coming up (tommorow) and my internet is capped for me to individually find every post that they say. (maybe someone else can do this)
Also can someone post that picture of that black guy with the "you just activated my trap card" cos i literally can't load or even upload an image and i say it would be quite fitting cos you mafia's just activated my trap card.
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You know what, I give up.
I kinda expected someone to come after me and conversion, and I myself have a bug in my head saying 'be objective about conversion', and we are probably going to lose this, so I wanted to call for a lynch of conversion for the next day just for the lulz. Coz I did trust him, even if with a bit of paranoia, but I still have this in mind that he'd be able to fool around with the rest of people, mainly if his 'friends' are active.
Anyway. I am probably going to die tonight, so it doesn't matter.
So here are my few cents I've been thinking about and that might potentially be interesting.
I found it very interesting that conversion spoke about enervate and sirael, now while I agreed both are very suspicious (or at least from the way of posting.. anyone heard of sirael recently?) but also he ignores the fact that phelix hasn't posted anything beneficial in a while. So hasn't vyro.
Now it is very hard to do any kind of organization in this mess, since still vyro, sirael, phelix don't write anything at all, conversion is on his itouch (I was warned somewhere about people that are active in the beginning and then become 'busy' later). If the whole mafia is active we can go to hell because that'd mean all those inactive people are townies and we'll never find that out.
If Conversion is mafia, I'll probably die tonight, because they just won't target him while he might be the second potential target (according to posting activity). If I don't die, then of course some people might be suspicious I am mafia (but of course so could be conversion, right?).
And ascle, the 'townie' vibe of me and conversion is in place, because most of other people just didn't speak as much and as openly, so you can't really compare with anyone else who has the 'stronger' vibe.
But whatever, as I said, I give up. gg
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Yes I'm on my iTouch, but I'm still making substantial posts regularly throughout the game.
But this inactivity is really pissing me off.. I thought we'd have people to, you know, try and actually play and improve. Looks like this would have been the ideal situation.
And Sirael didn't even vote(?) Fuck. At 4:3, every vote counts. How are we going to ensure a mafia vote if people just sheep and someone doesn't even vote?
GG town, I'm done making useless analysis posts. I'm just going to vote on gut feeling starting day 3.
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I didn't vote because I didn't even have time to read the thread in the last two days. And I don't post when I only glanced through the thread. Thought the game would start one week earlier where I would have had more than enough free time...
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Day 3
There was a whisper around town that someone else had been killed. He was found buried in the forest. Vyro had been torn limb from limb, as though pulled apart by horses. Spelled in his blood on the ground were the words There Is No Hope. If there was any. I was starting to lose it.
Vyro the townie is dead.
Sirael the Medic has disappeared from town (modkill)
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1. pHelix Equilibria
2. Rising_Phoenix
3. HardCorey
4. FezTheCaliph
5. Sirael
6. Freestalker
7. Enervate
8. Conversion
9. Jaminz
10. vyro
11. aScle
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Day 1
HardCorey lynched
Night 1
jaminz shot
Day 2
Enervate Lynched
Night 2
Sirael modkilled, Vyro shot.
Total casualties: 5
6 people remain, 3 are mafia.
Looks like GG town. =/
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wow...
there are 3 mafia remaining and only 3 townies...
phelix,rising,fez, free, conversion,ascle
so i actually can;t think of a way to win this without a medic unless the mafia members decide to kill one of their own.
##vote Conversion
he FoSed both Sirael and enervate who are townies, best bet i have
well townies we might as well all vote for the same person if you want a chance to win or the mafia will just all vote for one person and we lose.
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Mafia Wins
Mafia team:
Conversion
Rising_Phoenix
FezTheCaliph
Flawless Victory
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Sorry ascle too late.
GG town. inactivity was the death of you, tbh. =/
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T.T GG
well played
also i would of looked like a total jobber for that 2nd last post i didn't point my finger at you conversion.
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GG Town. Inactivity in this game was probably the biggest problem.
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I fking knew it >_< but it was hard to prove and it's too late for saying this gg
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Hahah GG everyone. I stopped posting after Enervate died since everyone decided to give up.
Enervate made it so easy to look like he's mafia I decided to take initiative and push on him. No hard feelings but it was easy to convince people.
I made some mistakes but I would like to see an active player point them out =]
GG all, hope to see you in other games!
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thanks for sharing the quicktopic guys, was a fun read.
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Good game guys. I think it was generally the inactivity that killed us, though I surely didn't help with my misreads on vyro and Enervate. I guess I need to work on my analysis skills more than I thought. I'll take a look a the quicktopic sometime later.
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On April 30 2011 00:29 jaminz wrote:
Good game guys. I think it was generally the inactivity that killed us, though I surely didn't help with my misreads on vyro and Enervate. I guess I need to work on my analysis skills more than I thought. I'll take a look a the quicktopic sometime later.
Well I did kinda help push on it =].
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Thanks to DocH for taking time out to host this for us.
Hope you guys play some other games here!
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kitaman27
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On April 29 2011 21:44 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I made some mistakes but I would like to see an active player point them out =]
GG all, hope to see you in other games!
I was kinda following along. Looking back, here are a few things that stood out.
On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
##Unvote
Sorry I was at a horn concert and doing some other stuff as well.
First, looking at this mathematically there are 11 players, 3 of which are mafia. If you randomly choose a person there is a approx. 27% chance of getting it right. However, choosing randomly is a bad idea since you never know if you're lynching an important member (cop or medic).
The cop should look up a random member that isn't himself(obviously). That means there is a 3 in 10 chance of him being right (30%). If he is right, he should be able to hint to everyone else who is mafia. That leaves everyone else voting on another person. If you know who the cop/detective is, that leaves a 3 in 9 chance (33%) of being right. That's from 1/5 to 1/3 probability of being right. I don't know how well this works for day one but numbers are fun =].
----- Break for other half---
Leadership for townies is essential, and right now it looks like Conversion and Freestalker are the two most active in leading conversation and topics. Unless one of them slips up, I'd refrain from killing either of them for now.
This is an example of a huge scum post that says absolutely nothing. You suggest obvious ideas, such as the town shouldn't lynch at random, the cop shouldn't check himself, and that leadership is important. Your statistical argument seemed more confusing than constructive.
On April 24 2011 04:50 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
aScle and Jaminz have had very little to contribute. Their posts have little to no content
This is part of the same post later on. At this point, someone could have called you out for being a hypocrite. Your posts have provided just as little content as theirs. In addition, you are selectively calling out certain inactives, while excluding others. Your scum buddy Fez has been just as inactive, but never appeared on any of your lists.
On April 24 2011 11:39 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
And here's another thought: The more we post trying to figure out mafia, the more the mafia is trying to figure out important roles: the doctor and the detective. Posting is a two sided sword. Post too much and people thing you're either trying to be too good or being too active for a reason, or too inactive you're trying to hard something. Sometimes an inactive poster is just and inactive poster for one reason or another.
Don't post this. It looks really scummy if you are trying to discourage the town from posting. In addition, this has been the third or fourth post you have been talking about blues. It makes me wonder why you are so focused on them (sniping?).
On April 25 2011 22:35 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
In retrospect, I took a quick look at Hardcorey's post count. I noticed he didn't post ANYTHING since April 25th. If we looked at his posting history in his profile before we made a decision, it would be really easy to see he wasn't on TL at all. However, we're were looking at the game out of context and didn't match up that he was completely gone. If we realized this, we could have saved Corey for a later lynch and instead voted for someone suspicious.
Oh well, we're learning at least.
This post is when the town possibly could have pushed for your lynch. What kind of town takes a look back at the most recent lynch candidate after the fact to see if he looked green? People should have been suspicious that you defend him after the fact, rather than before. They might think maybe you were withholding information to make sure the lynch goes through. This kind of post screams of guilt.
On April 26 2011 05:27 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
@Sirael don't you mean 12am?
Really right now I think we should be figuring out who to protect for night one. Here are possible people for doc to protect:
1) Free: most active poster, trying to figure out who jumped the bandwagon and likes to push pressure on other members to get them to contribute. Right now inactivity is our biggest weakness since it is allowing mafia to potentially hide as lurkers in the thread.
2) Jaminz: Excellent constructive posts, and is willing to argue a case if he thinks he's right and uses good arguments to prove his points.
3) Conversion: Helping us rally on a, to be honest, pretty bad loss. Even though Corey was definitely inactive, and therefore useless, it helps that someone is helping us push on to find who is mafia.
4) Myself: I'm selfish, and I want protection =]. Also, if Jaminz, myself, or aScle, who all voted for Enervate, were to die, than it would mean Enervate could be mafia trying to save his skin.
Calling for medic protection without really showing you are worth it. Maybe not 100% scummy, but I'm weary of people who direct blues.
On April 26 2011 23:36 Rising_Phoenix wrote:Wow the forum exploded since I was asleep. There is something interesting I am noticing. As we are chasing against Vyro there is someone completely missing from the conversation. Enervate. Think about who would most benefit from a change of focus. Enervate was 2nd highest in the vote count as lynching, Me, Jaminz, and aScle voted against him and remained against him. Because of Jaminz post against vyro, we're all suddenly attacking him. And to be honest, there is a pretty convincing case against him. But isn't it odd that Enervate, #2 on day1 lynch, hasn't posted anything since his defense? He gave no help in analysis and his defense of not being mafia were, to be honest, pretty bad. Looking at his post history he's been active in other threads so we know he's not dead, but he hasn't posted in this one. History here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Enervate&gb=dateIf anyone has a good counterargument let me know, but for now he looks incredibly suspicious.
Pushing a WIFOM argument. It worked in the end, so I guess I can't complain.
Overall, it seems like you did a pretty good job pushing your goals. Congrats.
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