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hang on i just read vyro's post
[QUOTE]On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:
i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day.
so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea
+ Show Spoiler +but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario.
also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high
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EBWOP :damn quote brackets
hang on i just read vyro's post
On April 26 2011 16:33 vyro wrote:
i hope others realize that jaminz's last post before he died would only make the mafia want to target him more in hopes that the town would lynch me the next day.
so pretty much that makes my first point invalid as it proves that vyro is smart enough to realise killing jaiminz is a bad idea
+ Show Spoiler +but again, that also means he is smart enough to think of my 3rd scenario.
also the likelyhood of the mafia members(vyro included) of figuring out what would essential be the most likely response of the town to jaiminz murder(which is that the town would assume vyro has been set-up and basically vyro wouldn't be lynched) is very high
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Wow the forum exploded since I was asleep.
There is something interesting I am noticing. As we are chasing against Vyro there is someone completely missing from the conversation.
Enervate.
Think about who would most benefit from a change of focus. Enervate was 2nd highest in the vote count as lynching, Me, Jaminz, and aScle voted against him and remained against him. Because of Jaminz post against vyro, we're all suddenly attacking him. And to be honest, there is a pretty convincing case against him. But isn't it odd that Enervate, #2 on day1 lynch, hasn't posted anything since his defense? He gave no help in analysis and his defense of not being mafia were, to be honest, pretty bad.
Looking at his post history he's been active in other threads so we know he's not dead, but he hasn't posted in this one. History here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Enervate&gb=date
If anyone has a good counterargument let me know, but for now he looks incredibly suspicious.
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Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours.
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On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
An interesting point, definitely worth taking into consideration. However, I don't think the activity of his posting (right after Dr's post) 100% mean he's mafia. Also, he was addressing the points and accusations of Jaminz, who happened to by killed yesterday. It is obvious the mafia felt threatened by Jaminz and decided to kill him for one reason or another.
That being said, his posting has been really inconsistent, as analyzed by Jaminz and Free. Jaminz post is especially well thought out, so I'm actually going to put is spoilers down here as review.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 12:54 jaminz wrote:On the off chance I die tonight, I wanted to post this: I’m getting a pretty big scum read from vyro. One of his first posts: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2011 17:12 vyro wrote:
still feeling pretty noob. i don't feel like i have much to add right now, but i don't want to not post for fear of looking inactive or being one of those 'barely posts'. so here are some questions:
how are clues usually worked into the game?
what's the usual proportion of blues to greens? does posting less really suggest someone is mafia?
what kind of lies are there for us to catch people with? it's not like mafia's going to falsely claim roles
what does a usual townie plan look like?
thanks in advance There are two things to not here that contnue throughout his posts: 1. He’s worried about looking inactive (the bolded part) 2. He’s seeking information on how people are going to play the game, what their tendencies are, and what a “normal” town looks like. I would argue that the first point is him being paranoid about being called out as inactive because he doesn’t want to appear as scum. The second point for me is more telling. He’s looking (consciously or not) to find out how a normal town plays this game, and overall how a normal game looks. This strikes me as suspicious, as I wouldn’t think a normal townie would be so worried about blending in, while this is exactly what a mafia member would do. + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2011 02:40 vyro wrote:something changed recently with my chrome, so only i can't see spoilers. whenever i try to show spoilers, instead of it expanding, the page refreshes. sorry for the unnecessary post on my part. i'm using firefox again, until i can figure out why spoilers aren't behaving correctly in chrome. i don't want to derail discussion further, but i would like to know how i can view things correctly in chrome again. ##Unvoteto help contribute rather than look like a big noob/scum acting like noob, here's my opinion of players so far: phelix: knows physics and stuff. votes for an inactive rising_phoenix: hasn't said much minus basic logic in favor of lynching an inactive phelix hardcorey: hasn't contributed except for not wanting to lynch inactives fez: no substantive posts sirael: no substantive posts freestalker: seems to know what he's doing. interesting banter with enervate enervate: just one post, jokingly accusing freestalker conversion: probably the most experienced here. probably doesn't like me for asking dumb questions jaminz: wants to start random accusations? honestly, i also wouldn't know where to begin if it weren't for inactive either though.. ascle: no substantive posts me: immediately self-conscious after reading other mafia games and seeing how scummy my posts look so, the inactives to look out for so far are fez, sirael, and ascle not much to look at so far it seems Here we see him again mentioning that part of the reason he’s posting is so that he doesn’t seem like scum. I feel like a town member wouldn’t need to mention this, while a scum member would subconsciously put something like this in there without thinking. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 11:35 vyro wrote:
i think conversion's opinions would be more valid with a more experienced or active group. but most of his scum reads (which he has on most of the town) don't really seem to account for how new some of us are at this.
so are we all voting on hardcorey now? what happens when he comes back and defends himself, what about when any inactive comes back? hopefully, we'll have more information after the first night Again it seems like he’s just trying to figure out what town can do so he can go along with it. This looks like mafia play to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 25 2011 13:39 vyro wrote:
wow that's disappointing to say the least... though with his inactivity, would he have investigated somebody anyway? >_>
is it wrong to discuss who we should medic at this point? This one should be obvious, but he’s blatantly asking who the medic should guard at this point. While this could mean he’s the medic, I doubt that’s the case since most mafia members should be smart enough to see this and immediately suspect him as being a medic. Thus, I think this is just blatant mafia behavior trying to find a consensus for who the medic can protect, so that mafia can avoid that person. + Show Spoiler +On April 26 2011 07:45 vyro wrote:
hardcorey did make posts after all the accusations mounted on him and before the lynch. they were just about tsl3 and thorzain, not our mafia game
since we are discussing who we should protect, i'd like to see conversion or freestalker protected. will those protected by the doctor know that they're protected by the doctor even if not targeted by mafia?
@freestalker - how do i know he's joking? i assume he's joking with the :p face
right now, most of the active posters (jaminz, freestalker, rising, conversion) seem pretty pro-town, constantly fishing for information. the fact that they have reads on me, but aren't going for outright accusations gives me some confidence surprisingly. however, i worry that if even one was mafia , he would know that i'm a townie and try to lay suspicion on me more heavily later on.
bigger question marks for me still are phelix, fez, sirael, enervate, and ascle He mentions that he’s worried about 3 of the most active players coming after him. I think it’s a bit odd that he feels the need to put this in there, when I don’t feel like anyone has really accused him of anything big. There is scummy/mafia behavior in pretty much every one of his posts. If I die tonight (and even if I don’t), we need to take a long look at vyro.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours.
This section itself raises a few questions. First of all, Jaminz initially posted suspicions about you being mafia and here was your INSTANT reaction until you bandwagoned on HardCorey.
On April 25 2011 00:13 jaminz wrote:
About the Day 1 lynch: I'll just say it, chances are we're going to end up lynching a townie. Just by looking at the numbers, theres a pretty small chance we're going to actually kill mafia on day one, especially with what little information we have. That being said, I think all we can do is go for who we think is the most suspicious person. So far, Enervate seems the most suspicious to me now that Sirael and aScle (good posts from you two, thanks for your analysis) have come back. I've got easter plans today so I won't be quite as active as I was yesterday, but I'll still definitely be checking the thread. For now, my vote is:
##Unvote
##Vote Enervate
And then you posted right after:
On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
Using the exact same argument as your just tried to use on me. Also, if you were considered mafia why would other mafia members come defend you if you were considered mafia? If they were going to defend you it would be obvious that they would also be considered mafia, especially since no one bothered to defend you after the first accusation. Also you offer no decent counterargument yet.
Also, based on your argument there there is my logical counter argument. No one is joining me in analyzing your posting besides jaminz, and no one is saving me from digging my own grave if I'm wrong. So because I have suspicions with your posting behavior it means I'm a mafia? If anything it just means you feel threatened and are back-lashing as best you can.
If you have a reason to believe someone else is mafia, post an actual reason, not because they're suspicious of you. If you're innocent, find a good argument to prove your innocent, don't just slander the person who is questioning you.
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I screwed up guys. Sorry. If I play this again I need to make sure I setup an alert or something to remind me about it.
I feel bad ;_; but I got what I deserved.
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Although I think its kinda fishy that jaminz warned us about vyro and then is almost immediately whacked, I think its more coincidence. Which will prompt me to ask this
Did all mafia have to send their votes in before 12am est or just before you posted the next day post
If thats the case, then it seems more like coincidence. I know its tempting to take the omnious warning of the recently deceased, but lets not jump on the bandwagon right away. Thats how we lost our cop
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Hey guys. On my iTouch right now.
I'm 100% going to a library tomorrow (closed today, fml) to do some analysis. I hope no one gave up yet =/ Stay active! Bait people to talk and all that.
FoS on Enervate and Sirael right now. Enervate for his rather poor, scummy defense and Sirael for hardcore lurking.
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Alright, so we have again inactive phelix, sirael, enervate (who wanted to post analysis with no result), vyro (who wanted to post analysis as well and is inactive now). Seriously guys, this sucks.
I will start the voting, I stated my reasons a page back.
##Vote Sirael
discuss.
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On April 27 2011 21:40 freestalker wrote:
Alright, so we have again inactive phelix, sirael, enervate (who wanted to post analysis with no result), vyro (who wanted to post analysis as well and is inactive now). Seriously guys, this sucks.
I will start the voting, I stated my reasons a page back.
##Vote Sirael
discuss.
I agree! Are we going to let scum destroy our way of life!!?!? Are we gonna let them run over our town!? I SAY NAY!!!
FOR JAMINZ!!!!
Anyways, for reasons previously discussed and from the fact he is hiding again, I'm going to vote Enervate.
##Vote Enervate
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On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. ...I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched
and
You got me there, so your reasoning for this is. "Everybody, i act and smell the most like a mafia but its alright that means i must not be a mafia as its what the mafia wants you to think." Also you are the least likely to be killed by the mafia cos you are a mafia........
I've had enough
##Vote Enervate
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Analysis on Enervate
This is from my previous post.
7. Enervate
+ Show Spoiler [Old analysis] +On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
Incredibly weak and scummy defense after prodding him for inactivity. Basically putting out possibilities that people voting for him might be mafia, just because. No logic, nothing. On April 25 2011 05:14 Enervate wrote:
When I said I was about to edit my post, I didn't mean I was trying to change what I had wrote, I meant I wanted to add the second sentence I posted next, because not double-posting is a habit I've had from posting outside of this thread.
But here's my analysis:
I am pretty sure Fez the Caliph is not mafia because he unvoted me. If he was mafia, he would have left his vote on me because it wouldn't look suspicious since other people are still voting for me. If we were both mafia, he wouldn't have voted for me in the first place. So, 3 out of 9 people (myself and Fez excluded), could possibly be mafia.
aScle is suspicious to me because he goes from not posting much to jumping on the vote on me. I'm a convenient scapegoat.
Jamin'z reply to my vote against him is interesting. If he was an innocent townie, he might accuse me of being mafia for voting him. But instead he tells me how I can get his vote off of me. Maybe because he knows I'm not mafia. And the only way he could know is if he was mafia.
Rising Phoenix's post is also suspicious to me because he says he takes time to make thoughtful posts but also says he's too lazy to count the votes.
And here's some good faith, I'll try and tally the votes.
Phelix Equlibria - 1
Enervate -4
ascle -1
jaminz -2
hardcorey-1
(This actually took me a really long time lol. It's kinda hard with all of the unvotes. I think it's accurate, though.) Trying to contribute without actually contributing. They wasn't an ounce of analysis in his posts, just some opinions here and there. Add to the fact that he's vote tallying like everyone else is, trying to seem like he's contributing. On April 25 2011 07:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I guess I will follow the trend of voting for inactives as well.
##Unvote
##Vote HardCorey Sheeping, plain and simple. Try to explain your reasoning. Is it a pressure vote? Did you like the case against that certain person? Sheeping is generally frowned upon here and is considered anti-town(not necessarily scummy) behavior.
+ Show Spoiler [New Analysis] +On April 24 2011 05:18 Enervate wrote:
Ok I'm checking this thread now. I don't have that much time to check this thread on the weekends. I usually check during class. Don't vote for me. This screams template for his future behavior (lurking, etc.) He doesn't even make any substantial posts AT ALL after he states this. You would think a town would want to clear himself after you almost got lynched, but this is basically the image Enervate is trying to feed town (inactive, busy). On April 25 2011 02:13 Enervate wrote:
If I was mafia, wouldn't I be trying to defend myself more and vote for other people? In my opinion, mafia members have more motive to participate actively and try to vote people who aren't mafia members. I mean, mafia members must have realized by now that not writing huge long posts makes you look suspicious.
##Vote jaminz
Mafia members would know I'm not a mafia member and try to vote me. Seems like 3 people have voted me so far. Hmmmmm.
He's actually contradicting himself here. Take his words, "vote for other people?" Guess who he voted? A townie. jaminz, just to try and get the town's attention away from him. A bunch of useless logic trying to dictate town how mafia would act. Why would town care how mafia would act? We're all newbies, we don't have a strict sense of someone's mafia meta here. And out of the "3 people" that voted him, he votes jaminz, the one who is pressuring him the most and probably (number of games wise) the most experienced. Very suspicious On April 27 2011 01:28 Enervate wrote:
Ok I thought we weren't supposed to post in this thread during the 24hr night. Interesting turn of events. Right now, I get the feeling vyro might be mafia. He made his response to Jaminz's death really quickly, and tried to explain how the mafia could be framing him before anyone even accused him. This all coming from a player that says he is really inexperienced.
I also think Rising_Phoenix might be mafia. I'm least likely to be killed by the mafia since everyone thinks I'm mafia. And they want me to get lynched. No one has tried to defend me yet or even divert suspicion from me, so I think that should suggest to you I don't have ties with any other players right now, like mafia would.
More thoughts to come in about 4 hours. First paragraph basically says "Okay, here's another excuse that I'm lurking hardcore and now I'm trying to pass it off as my lack of comprehension. Let me accuse other people without making any analysis and point fingers so you guys try to get your attention off of me." And newbies tend to respond quickly to any pressure on them, so your argument of "coming from a player that is really inexperienced" does not work. If anything, this would brand him as a newbie townie since mafia wouldn't carelessly reply on a whim. Second paragraph repeats the same thing he did in the first paragraph. His last line is golden. He promises to post more thoughts in "4 hours" but never does. He obviously wants to get by town's lynch by contributing the least possible amount. If he isn't scum (99% he is) I don't know what guides he's been reading. This is some uncharacteristically poor town play in that case, even for a newbie.
Verdict - Scum
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Also how convenient is it that jaminz died when he was pushing for enervate pretty hard?
This guy is scum. Lynch him.
##Vote: Enervate
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sorry this has taken so long. this game is much more of a time sink than originally anticipated D:
phelix:
+ Show Spoiler +has said very little besides voting to lynch inactives. early on this was ok, but no meaningful contributions at this point is a little irksome
rising:
+ Show Spoiler +initially targets inactives. critical of enervate for not defending himself as stated in multiple posts. pokes around for information a lot which is pretty good, but some of his intuition is questionable to me. he considers fez and sirael townies off of very little information. the optimism may be from a pro-townie perspective. but as scum, he would find them least threatening.
i tend to think it's the former (town) because he believes moderate activity could be indicative of a blue role
fez:
+ Show Spoiler +votes enervate due to inactivity and unvotes after a weak explanation. also defends enervate a couple of times as jaminz piles on some accusations. enervate trusts fez afterwards. looks to others to initiate. i appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to bandwagon and vote me. his one major post casts doubt on rising, enervate, and me. with a little bit of doubt on phelix and ascle.
seems pretty pro-town despite his defense of enervate (especially since he also still has doubts on him)
sirael:
+ Show Spoiler +not sure where his confusion with jaminz comes from. the two posts he quotes on jaminz isn't really contradictory. maybe he (sirael) is the confused one, but he doesn't really point fingers at anyone until hardcorey becomes the most obvious inactive. nothing much to go on here.
would like to see more posts from him to get a better opinion
freestalker:
+ Show Spoiler +curious what would've happened had enervate not accused him and jaminz so early on. one of the first to make a summary post, mainly drawing attention to inactives and enervate. points out that it's doubtful all 3 mafia are lurkers, which i agree with. had some filler posts in between, but they were generally clarifying. in a lengthy post replying to jaminz, he responds reasonably and states he's not afraid to speak up because he has nothing to hide. wish he would format his posts more neatly though, replying within the quote you're replying to is messy. suspicious of sirael, enervate, and me
strong townie vibe
enervate:
+ Show Spoiler +starts off with an excuse for inactivity and a very unbacked don't vote for me. thinks mafia will post more than townies, which is unlikely after reading the more experienced members' posts and previous games. trusts fez. suspicious of jaminz and rising. obviously jaminz was townie. as for rising, as i stated before, i believe he's more likely a townie than scum. enervate's suspicion of these two raises questions. later bandwagons onto hardcorey following the logic to lynch inactives. following jaminz's death, he still suspects rising as well as me now.
lots of finger pointing without much analysis. suspects one of the likelier townies. poor defense, definitely one of the scummier semi-actives
conversion:
+ Show Spoiler +don't like his logic on investigating an inactive. if cop checks an active, his proposed scenarios are all the same. why not check an active who you could count on to discuss and participate. one of the first hugely substantive posts, much props there. his analysis of most in that post is to analyze and be more active. lots of scum reads, but still identifies probable townies. the paranoia seems town-ish. mildly defends enervate in favor of a lynch on hardcorey, but defends himself reasonably. hardcorey was just so absent :\ suspects sirael, enervate and me. same accusations as free. troublesome? but also stems from basic logic, so i'm on the side that they're both pro-town. if they were both scum, well we're pretty screwed. what's with all the itouch business anyway? i really don't care if you're on your itouch or not, just saying
reads as town
ascle:
+ Show Spoiler +voted enervate. claims a lot of the hardcorey votes were bandwagoners. also didn't note that i voted for hardcorey as well, a slight oversight? said very very little before jaminz's death. now suspects me? jaminz's last post pointing to me was posted 6 minutes before the end of the night phase. i'm curious how late night roles typically submit their actions. despite his suspicions on me, sticks with his initial vote to lynch enervate. not sure why he didn't pursue me further, but i guess i should be thankful. his analysis on me is kind of uneventful, it feels like he could keep assuming higher levels of thinking (e.g. he knows i know that he knows that i know...)
despite the early inactivity, i don't regard ascle as scummy. his reaction to jaminz's post and my post seems appropriate of a townie
summary:
suspicious of enervate, sirael, and phelix
apologies for the lack of activity. but these kind of posts always seem so time-consuming and daunting. however, i've committed to this game, and i want to stick to it. if people still have doubts on me, i'm more than happy to answer to them.
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##Vote Enervate
vote tally:
sirael: 1 (freestalker)
enervate: 4 (rising, ascle, conversion, vyro)
i don't disagree with freestalker's vote, but i want to make sure a lynch on one of my reads goes through, and my 4th vote solidifies the lynch on enervate
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Ok, I will try to defend myself better. I'll try to explain everything I've done this game. This is my first time playing TL mafia, and I didn't really read the other games. Sorry. I'm a newb.
At the beginning, I didn't realize one key thing about this game. You are supposed to vote for a variety of people to try and find out who is mafia. I thought mafia people would be the ones trying to vote for others. That's why I thought people who were voting for me were mafia. That's why I accused basically everyone who voted me. (I also didn't realize how active I was going to have to be and how much effort I was going to have to put in to this game. I thought I would only have to make like one post a day. This is mostly because I read that each player must post at least once a day.)
Also, yes, I voted for HardCorey out of self-preservation. It was the only way for me to not die as I thought, so I did it. He was inactive as well, though.
I also posted my excuses because I thought you guys would want to hear my reasons for not being able to post much. I thought it would look suspicious if I didn't post them.
How can I prove to you guys I'm not mafia? Tell me what to do!!
My analysis:
Suspect: Phelix Equilibria
I'm not a fan of quoting the posts which I need to discuss, because it's a hassle imo, but I'll do it anways.
On April 25 2011 21:28 pHelix Equilibria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2011 16:49 freestalker wrote:
I switched my vote for him for few very simple reasons..
One -- inactivity. Very simple. He probably doesn't even know he's dead yet.
To be honest, the blame lies on HardCorey himself. But at least we have the voting info. This was a terrible first lynch. It is a bad lynch but I mean being the most inactive, its not like he would've even done his role? HardCorey made it hard for himself. I am sad.
On April 24 2011 22:18 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading quite abit of these analyses. Its hard to make judgement calls when people are making these analysis out of 2 or 3 posts that are like 3 sentences long. If there isn't enough to information to draw conclusions from, the best bet would be the inactive. They had a days to say something. At the least we can keep the people interested in the game to stay and therefore more posts to look at. Thats my two cents.
On April 24 2011 10:28 pHelix Equilibria wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 08:06 freestalker wrote:
Oh.. why do I always try to find the more complicated way, lol. I totally forgot about the button.
Yeah I always saw the numbers, but always was wondering how to explain them as I saw 2 possibilities.
As it is, I now have few groups of people -
inactives - Ascle and Sirael
not really contributing ones - Jaminz, Hardcorey, Enervate
and the confusing ones - e.g. phelix
on the other hand, jaminz and enervate prolly ain't in one group, since enervate was 'joking' about both me and jaminz. he might be so cool and joke about his mafia fellow but I kinda doubt that.
I have few more thoughts but I'll wait a while before presenting those. I gotta sleep anyway, will be back tomorrow afternoon (in like 16 hrs) How am I confusing? I'm just trying to get a hang of this game, first time ^^. Am I doing something wrong?
These posts basically sum up his entire post history. He's been trying to blend in, and he's gone successfully unnoticed for a while. All of these posts also try justify voting non-mafia, and he doesn't actually say anything about mafia members.
Also, how interesting that he is the only other person who voted Jaminz besides me:
On April 24 2011 06:42 pHelix Equilibria wrote:
After reading the above posts. I believe the silent ones are the ones to really look out for. I understand the time zone differences. But I would say out of the silent ones. The one that pointed fingers relatively early with no supporting evidence is more suspicious. Phoenix is right, aScle said one thing so far, but then again he looks like he's in a different time zone, so when he does say more than one thing, we'll see.
##Unvote
##Vote Jaminz
As far as I can tell, he's made basically no analysis.
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Seems at least two people pointed out my logic on why I said check an inactive.
The logic was that you should be able to point out mafia simply by analyzing posts. Think about this game. We're not learning how to depend on cop to try to scumhunt, we're trying to hone our analyzing and discernment skills in order to improve.
That's why I was pressuring EVERYONE to be active, or at least post regularly. In that case, the most suspicious player will arise from DT/Cop's judgement. Obviously failed due to rampant inactivity, even up to now.
Even the most active/experienced mafia will slip if he posts too much, therefore we can point out inactive mafia much easier with cop's power. If the said active mafia goes inactive, lurks, and makes dodgy posts... well, there's your lynch.
This is why I said check an inactive. Also, the iTouch thing is in case someone like free asks me to do analysis. I'm taking time out of my personal life to go to a library to make longer posts and analysis to benefit town. It's just to clarify that I can't make long posts/analysis etc. Don't read too much into it.
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And to clarify, I no longer think Rising_Phoenix is mafia. I've reread all of his posts, and I think he was just trying to find out who was mafia. I made a lot of bad judgements earlier because I didn't really know how this game worked.
I am still suspicious about vyro, but not sure. 50/50 if I had to put a number on it. Sirael is another suspect but after reading some of his earlier posts, he doesn't sound like a mafia member, if that makes any sense.
I already said why I don't think Fez is mafia, maybe he's just so smart he decided to unvote me for some reason though. I'm not sure about aScLe either. Some of his posts gave me a mafia feeling. I'd say out of vyro and aScLe, one of them is mafia and one isn't.
So my suspects are 1) Phelix, 2) aScLe/vyro, 3)sirael
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Forgot that I need to vote:
##Vote Phelix Equlibria
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A list of who accuses who to be what from day 2 so far
ascle -> vyro enervate
phoenix -> enervate
enervate -> vyro phoenix a while later phelix phoenix vyro?
conversion -> Enervate Sirael
free -> Enervate Sirael vyro
vyro -> enervate sirael phelixphoenix fez free conversion ascle
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EPT
