Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia I

On April 15 2011 11:17 Shcoleosis wrote:

Yeah, that seem logical. We don't want to kill innocent townies, though...It's the mafia we want gone! I highly doubt any mafia would be lurking or inactive when they have chances to kill. But who am I to say...I'm still learning :/

On April 15 2011 13:01 Shcoleosis wrote:

Not trying to protect the inactive. I guess I just didn't really understand your logic well. But, hey, if it takes lynching the inactive to get rid of the scum, LET'S DO THIS! Lol

On April 15 2011 11:27 Zorkmid wrote:

I concur with this, there sure isn't any harm in losing inactive townies OR scum!

GLHF!

On April 16 2011 07:10 VarpuliS wrote:
As it stands it's unlikely we can identify mafia day one. I think we should lynch a lurker day 1 and see who the mafia kills night 1 before trying any hardcore analysis. I've got no problem with the analysis that's been going on atm though, so keep it up guys!

I just looked though the thread, and pretty much 100% of Eternalmisfit's posts have been pushing for an inactive lynch day 1. He'd like to get everybody talking, but has yet to contribute in a meaningful way. If we're gonna lynch a lurker, it should either be him or Senj, who has been lurking since the beginning of the game, save a few posts about inactives.

On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone

On April 15 2011 19:41 Vain wrote:


Yup, just got out of bed. its 12:40 now here

ehm, can't we like check if these other person's are posting elsewhere so they are knowingly avoiding posting here?

On April 15 2011 19:43 Vain wrote:
Just to add. if that would be the case they sure would have some explaining to do

On April 16 2011 06:38 Vain wrote:


Well i'll come out of the shadows then and will mention there is not very much too say jet. You can only argue that some are more active then others but i don't think any obvious or major slips were made. Sure, Zorkmid has like 50% of the posts but doesn't really really fit the picture of scum(jet?). I think Shcoleosis has displayed an odd behaviour by at first saying I'm still learning :/ and switching from opinion that fast but an explanation for this could be that (s)he really isn't really into this game jet and is just afraid of being hanged the first day. Still until (s)he can give an explenation, my vote is still on him/her.

And btw please tell if your a girl or not. i am sick of typing 2 genders all the time. ifnot i assume your sexless, lol

On April 16 2011 06:39 Vain wrote:

Four if you count this one;)

On April 16 2011 08:55 Vain wrote:
Well, She didn't change my opinion on her so:

##Vote: Scholeosis

On April 17 2011 00:26 Vain wrote:


Hmm, the reason i voted for shcoleosis is that in my opinion her behaviour was very scummy like( switching sides, saying things like first time playing guys). Witch was pointed out earlyer by the other players before me. She did not post again untill after i voted for her. I may note that the posts after that were not so much scum behaviour, but i am still not really convinced we have a better alternative. Although zorkmid could be suspected due to throwing accusations out like there is no tomorrow, which could be his strategy but is drawing attention to him and would be very risky if he were to be scum. Nevertheless zorkmid would be my number two but only to him being profoundly accusing. I haven't really looked in the accusations of the others too much but i'll try to post an analysis of them later on.

On April 17 2011 10:57 Vain wrote:
Well, there it goes. In a few minutes senj will be no more. If he flips over and turns out to be red i'm gonna eat my hat, Serously

On April 17 2011 11:17 Vain wrote:
I just want to take this moment and mourn for our departed senj, who turned out to be a town. This death will have an huge impact on us and the game. The rest of this post i will dedicate to our beloved senj. Think of all the moments he was with us and the time we spent together. I still remember the first time i saw him.

He was never much of a talker, but he always told me he tried so hard to change..



Sadly, he fell back in his old behaviour and he spoke to the public only one more time




After that it was only a matter of time until dark clouds rose above his head. Maybe he wanted to talk but couldn't find a way to express himself. Maybe he searched for words but could never find them. Maybe something else, but we will never know now because our beloved senj is dead

On April 17 2011 11:18 Vain wrote:
P.s. This also means no hat-eating will be done tonight!

On April 17 2011 22:06 Vain wrote:


Well, it think we should use all time possible to uncover maffia to prevent misses like senj. Yes he wasn't very active but he was a town as expected. We have a limited number of chances to get it right and sadly we had to lynch an inactive towny. As for being affraid that the maffia gets too much information you'll have to understand one thing perfectly. The maffia already knows who is town and is maffia. There is not much more to know for them. Sure we and the mafia do not know if there is a DT and/or a Doctor but they do not have to uncover themself if they do not want to. We can use all the information there is. The mafia already has all the info and sure as hell aren't gonna lynch one of their own at this moment.

On April 18 2011 02:48 Vain wrote:
I would also like to point out how the voting went. This is some actual data we can use and not up for debate. But as always it is up for intepretation of us. It could very well be that one of the persons voted for we're scum and the mafia influenced the vote. There has been some swing in vote's which i find very suspicous.

This is how the vote looked 10 hours before closing

+ Show Spoiler +
And here the final vote:


So in a summarry. shcoleosis lost one vote on her senj gained SIX votes and Elmizzt lost one.
We can conclude from this that there is some serous bandwagoning going on here and maby some influence of the mafia. Keep in mind that there are not one but two mafia members influencing the votes and that we can be sure that 2 of the votes are mafia ones. The mafia makes up already 25% of our population so do not rule out mafia influence out of this vote.

On April 18 2011 03:08 Vain wrote:


Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing is? we could discuss over that and i could try to defend myself which is not advised in a game of mafia so fuck that. Btw didnt anyone notice the vote swing at the last moment or did everyone just stop caring?

On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?

On April 18 2011 14:41 Vain wrote:




If you didnt get a pm like "you were saved" or something you can be pretty sure you were not a target

On April 18 2011 14:51 Vain wrote:


Omg, How could you NOT like my necrology of senj

On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone

On April 18 2011 19:25 Vain wrote:


It is not an obvious way to appear more town. If you claimed you were saved like you are now and someone else also would claim that one of you would be lying. That would couse suspicion on both of the claimers and probably would get one of you killed.

Now if your claim is correct it would mean you were town(i really do not think you tried to kill yourself)
And this would also mean VarpuliS would be in the clear. The reasoning behind this would be that if you would be killed while you were clearly suspecting Varpulis then VarpuliS would be drawing unnecessary suspicion on him. Also i still suspect scholeosis because with you AND VarpuliS gone there would be 6 people left. Night kill would mean a townie kill and then the maffia only would have only to persuade one person to win the game. With the leading accuser for scholeosis gone this would be an excellent position for scholeosis to be in. I could also be missing some connections. We now have to figure out who would have a reasonal benefit of you (and Varpulis) gone

On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote:


Stupidity is not a scumtell and i quote

"Bad logic- Unless the bad logic is intentional. Not everyone is as smart as someone who reads LSB’s Newbie guide."


On April 18 2011 04:11 Vain wrote:

VarpuliS, did you read the guides that were reccomended?


Useless question. You probably read the guide and you know the way you have been posting is not good town play.

If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered.

Nice bandwagon btw VarpuliS

On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:

People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead.

Here are my suspicious posts:
Vain:

It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice.

Forumite:

I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up.

So basically:

FOS: Vain
FOS: Forumite

On April 18 2011 10:54 sandroba wrote:
This post is my scum list in case I die. I pretty much agree with varpulis analysis.

1. Scholeosis - If this girl is town, that's the most terrible town play of the year. An award should be given to her.

2. Elmizzt - Agrees with bulshit analysis posted by others. In contrary to zorkmid I'm not suspisious of the one who post a bad analysis, because normally all the analysis at least gives something to talk about and forces reactions out of people (which is pro-town). elmizz rapidly agreed with both the analysis of zorkmid and forumite of me and varpulis trying to take out the focus on scholeosis, when the focus were on his scumbudy scholeosis. That's textbook mafia play, not coming up with ideas, but bandwagon the useless ones. If scholeosis, much to my dismay, turns out to be anything but mafia, this needs to be reanalysed, of course.

3. Vain - If for some miracle either of these guys aren't mafia I would take a closer look at this person. All his posts so far have been useless constation of the obvious, questions or fluff posts, none with any content whatsoever. Also he doesn't seem to mind that senj screwed town over and makes a useless post praising our "beloved" useless townie. elmizzt finds it amusing.

Btw, forumite analysis of scholeosis is not bulshit at all, it seemed like it was indeed a huge slip by Varpulis, but at this time the amount of effort he has put towards scumhunting makes it very hard to beleive he's anything but town, so he gets a pass in my eyes.

On April 18 2011 21:40 sandroba wrote:
Alright so now I will state why we shouldn't lynch scholeosis. Forumite for the time being is the only comfirmed townie (unless the medic claims he didn't save forumite, in which case you should claim so we can trade you for forumite and scholeosis) and the only one who has defended scholeosis so far. The mafia did not know Senj wasn't going to show up, so someone would come to his defense. Everyone and their mother were suspicious of scholeosis at this point so it's very unlikely he's mafia. I advise scholeosis to step up your game if you are indeed not mafia, because I was 100% sure you were at some point.

On April 19 2011 07:47 elmizzt wrote:

People need to stop quoting guides and outside sources as ultimate authorities. They're good for sparking ideas, but they can't apply to every situation. Make your own arguments instead.

Here are my suspicious posts:
Vain:

It almost seems as though you maintained your vote on scholeosis even after it was 100% clear that she would not possibly be lynched in order to have some kind of defense for later use. It's almost too calculated that you had that defense all whipped up and ready for use at the first moment's notice.

Forumite:

I think it's pretty clear that you are lying your ass off here. You posted 9 and 15 minutes after the PM's went out. I find it extremely hard to believe that you "didn't see the PM" during this time, especially considering that there were 3 posts in between your posts, and yours popped up at the front of a new page. These circumstances would have required at the bare minimum a couple f5's to be caught up. Not to mention that PM's are emailed to you assuming you havn't turned that function off. It doesn't add up.

So basically:

FOS: Vain
FOS: Forumite