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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 23:22 GMT
#241
On April 26 2011 08:19 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 08:14 Kenpachi wrote:
oh ya. do you guys think its funny how Mafia may vote the most protown role to kill which may force Sleeper Cell People to not contribute as much?

It's not funny, its smart play by them.

You understood that???
Life can only kill you once.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 00:02 GMT
#242
I don't agree with the FoF on Jackl58, as for me what he did was a null tell and if it was pushing mafia objectives it was too damn obvious and I think mafia would be more carefull than that. My current FoS is darmomusseh for reasons I stated before and Zorkmid:
He was very agressive on his last game as town and has pretty much only posted contentless/redundat/parroting posts so far. The only pressure he has made was bandwagoning wiggles for no apparent reason.
##unvote
As much as I'm still suspicious of vain, he played the same way last game when he was blue, so I'm not sure I would be lynching scum if I pushed for his lynch.
##Vote: Zorkmid
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 26 2011 00:06 GMT
#243
No one has been under any pressure because there aren't enough people agreeing on anything to press a suspect. One person can't apply pressure with no information. Where do you guys get this stuff from? :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
April 26 2011 00:33 GMT
#244
I don't see any real info yet either.....

Btw, in case you guys are watching how people behave/how often they post - I have an exam on Wednesday, and I'm in the middle of moving from one place to another, so my posting may be erratic, without actually being caused by any game changing information that I may come across.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
April 26 2011 01:01 GMT
#245
Ace, you're displaying a serious case of what I like to call 'vet syndrome': you criticise all the plans and ideas made by the 'newbs' and fail to suggest any better ideas or plans, other than your vague promise of a plan that'll make sense sometime in the future. I'll play your game for now, please make it worthwhile. I hope to see more than just criticism out of you this game

Honestly, I'm not even sure what this exercise is for. Looking at the playerlist and picking out three names is nothing like being the GF and picking out one name from your scum team. But oh well.

Ace, why, and wiggles or GMarshal. For the message, I'd try to think of one keyword that could be associated with each player on the scum team, and include those keywords in the message, hoping the agent would be clever enough to figure out that those are his teammates. That might be too close to giving the names, but I don't know, it's my first idea.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 26 2011 01:45 GMT
#246
What criticisms? Post proof with merit please.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 26 2011 02:50 GMT
#247
First post!

On April 25 2011 23:04 Ace wrote:
1.) Eiii

If I recall I played in a Mafia game with him a long time ago. I think he's the only one here that was around more than 2 years ago? If so I could send him a message and it would be clearly obvious it was from me.
I think you have me confused with someone else-- my first game played was getting subbed into salem, and I've never actually been in a game with you (though I have played one and a half games you hosted).

I really don't have anything to say yet, so I might as well address ace's three-scumbuddies question but I don't know how to approach it! People seem to be picking who they'd want as sleepers based on how easy it would be for them to communicate in a five-word message who they were. If that's the case then I can just send 'XXXVIII I'm winning assassin' (and then an extra word of encouragement-- maybe 'victory!' or 'yeah!') or something and be totally set no matter who I send it too.
If the point is to list players who we think would be the strongest to have on a team as scum then we might as well just compile a list of vets instead (and in that case I REALLY don't get what this is about).

Also:
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.

:C
:3
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 26 2011 12:09 GMT
#248
Apparently everybody has gone to sleep.
Life can only kill you once.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
April 26 2011 12:11 GMT
#249
On April 26 2011 21:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Apparently everybody has gone to sleep.

I was thinking the same thing. I went to sleep, came back, and there were 0 new posts..... Granted I only got 6 hrs of sleep, but yea.....

Of course, I didn't have anything to contribute, and I still don't really, so I wasn't planning on posting anything.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
April 26 2011 12:25 GMT
#250
Well it's too late to keep complaining but basically if we didn't keep talking about ways mafia could communicate with each other it would be much more obvious when they actually did it. All we're doing now is allowing them to slip in ways of communicatin day 1.

Anyways - HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR WIGGLES!!!!

I'm just up - i'll check in later when there's more information?
Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 26 2011 14:37 GMT
#251
We have about 12 hours remaining until day is up. So it's time we begin to decide who is going to be our first lynch. I really hate day 1 in these games. I pretty much suck at the beginning of these.
That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him.
Let's start with this one.
On April 25 2011 08:00 tnkted wrote:
I will say this: It is in towns best interest if we stop talking about this. If i was trying to draw mafia attention to myself, pointing it out is bad because then they'll be scared off from killing me. If it was an honest mistake, we're all drawing attention to it and mafia will kill me. If I was trying to draw town attention to myself, I've clearly succeeded.

I will say this: keeping my role a secret is fucking stupid. If i hadn't said something now i'd have breadcrumbed and claimed later. Actually, maybe i'll do that. Checking with igrok to make sure its ok...

So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role:
On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote:
Yep, got mine too.

This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role.

And then continued again:
On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote:
Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet.

I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange.

Here:

WEIRD ROLE, DUDES

And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts.
He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it.



Now this post:
On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:
Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later):
DSBETNLBNTF

Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important:

1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells.

2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/

Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2.

Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells?
I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do?



And lastly
On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote:
it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am.

Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that.

IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs.

Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get.


I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted.
Sorry twinkles.
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 15:26 GMT
#252
Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi.

Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles

taking a quick look at his posts

On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar

On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking

On April 26 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On April 25 2011 14:32 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


eh how? The point of bread crumbs is to prove something before it happens via hidden clues. So how in the world is that going to help us find the Cell Leader?


I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like:

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On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Vain wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:
Well Gman. Since it appears that only you and I are playing and I know what I am huge fos on you.
In other words I'm going to bed.


Hey, i'm still here too. Am going to bed now BECAUSE ITS 5 AM HERE

btw, maby dt's should double check if they get that not info sufficient thingy if they have enough time and the player looks trusted. oh well, we'll see how it plays out. Goodnight!



Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion.


Looks somewhat scummy to me because of:

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On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping.

I *really* like this point, I though it was evident as well, but it merits pointing out and wiggles gets a town point from me for making this point, as it warrants saying, on the other hand though it makes it obvious for any scum that missed it, which was my reason for leaving it there and hoping it stayed buried.


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On April 26 2011 00:08 GMarshal wrote:
Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles


do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles?


Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p

I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about.

This is actually the reaction I would expect from a town player, if wiggles were scum I would expect a more panicked reaction, its not a very solid tell but it partially assuages the churning in my stomach that his earlier posts caused


As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb.

I think this paragraph is redundant, no mafia is going to outright post a cypher or a easy breadcrumb like the first word of every sentence/line (and yes, I am checking for that)

Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go:

1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer.
2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player.
3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire.

Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity.

This part triggers my gut once again, as its thought out way in depth, it also spells out what a non-obvious message means, which in my mind is explaining it to any of his scumbuddies to whom he might have sent the message. I'm not willing to FoS based on that but it makes me more uneasy


The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something.

Again detailing his plan in detail and also including how he is going to be communicating with his buddies if he is scum. If wiggles ever posts a scumlist I'd be interested to see the alignment of some of its members, as its possible wiggles has just detailed his plan so his buddies can see it. Again, it could be that wiggles has thought this out in depth, which is good, or it could be he is scum. Its not a tell for me either way, but it does make me decidedly uneasy


Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list.


Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote

Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 15:57 GMT
#253
I don't really like the FoS on wiggles. For me it's a bunch of null tells and some town tells. However I whole heathedly agree on lynching the lurkers/inactives/people posting no content. I feel like that's the optimal play for mafia in this setup early on, so it's a high chance o hitting mafia if we focus on those. I would like to propose we lynch zorkmid.
On April 23 2011 00:41 Zorkmid wrote:
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Seem to be posting too little for someone so eager for this game to start. He is behaving very differently from the other game he was town, where he was way more active and way more agressive and never jumped on the defense of anybody.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
April 26 2011 15:58 GMT
#254
I like Gmarshal's post about wiggles, but I would take it farther since his posts seem suspect. Obviously I won't believe his list for sleeper agents, but I can take a guess that mr wiggles is probably scum.

##Vote: Mr. Wiggles
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 26 2011 16:01 GMT
#255
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 26 2011 16:04 GMT
#256
On April 27 2011 01:01 Zorkmid wrote:
Sandroba, I think you're town. You thought the same thing about me last game too and you were town then.

By the way, you're dead wrong again.


Weigh in then please, who do you think is mafia? Why? Lynch is in less than 10 hours, who would you like to see dead?

While I'm throwing questions around, if you were a DT who would you check tonight? If you were a busdriver what two people would you swap? why?
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 26 2011 16:04 GMT
#257
What the hell? Can you at least make your actve lurking less obvious? I never though you were mafia last game. This one I do.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 26 2011 16:21 GMT
#258
On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote:
Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi.

Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles

taking a quick look at his posts

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On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar

On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking

On April 26 2011 07:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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On April 25 2011 14:32 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how.


eh how? The point of bread crumbs is to prove something before it happens via hidden clues. So how in the world is that going to help us find the Cell Leader?


I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like:

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On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:41 Vain wrote:
On April 25 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote:
Well Gman. Since it appears that only you and I are playing and I know what I am huge fos on you.
In other words I'm going to bed.


Hey, i'm still here too. Am going to bed now BECAUSE ITS 5 AM HERE

btw, maby dt's should double check if they get that not info sufficient thingy if they have enough time and the player looks trusted. oh well, we'll see how it plays out. Goodnight!



Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion.


Looks somewhat scummy to me because of:

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On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well.

I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names.


Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping.

I *really* like this point, I though it was evident as well, but it merits pointing out and wiggles gets a town point from me for making this point, as it warrants saying, on the other hand though it makes it obvious for any scum that missed it, which was my reason for leaving it there and hoping it stayed buried.


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On April 26 2011 00:08 GMarshal wrote:
Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion.

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Wiggles


do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles?


Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p

I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about.

This is actually the reaction I would expect from a town player, if wiggles were scum I would expect a more panicked reaction, its not a very solid tell but it partially assuages the churning in my stomach that his earlier posts caused


As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb.

I think this paragraph is redundant, no mafia is going to outright post a cypher or a easy breadcrumb like the first word of every sentence/line (and yes, I am checking for that)

Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go:

1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer.
2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player.
3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire.

Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity.

This part triggers my gut once again, as its thought out way in depth, it also spells out what a non-obvious message means, which in my mind is explaining it to any of his scumbuddies to whom he might have sent the message. I'm not willing to FoS based on that but it makes me more uneasy


The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something.

Again detailing his plan in detail and also including how he is going to be communicating with his buddies if he is scum. If wiggles ever posts a scumlist I'd be interested to see the alignment of some of its members, as its possible wiggles has just detailed his plan so his buddies can see it. Again, it could be that wiggles has thought this out in depth, which is good, or it could be he is scum. Its not a tell for me either way, but it does make me decidedly uneasy


Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list.


Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote

Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS


A couple comments on that:

Any scum reading the thread is going to have noticed what Darmo said, and that's why I pointed it out. I'd rather rely on the assumption my opponents are going to notice things rather than the assumption they'll just skim past stuff, so that's why I pointed it out as scummy instead of letting it slide, and asked for it to not happen again. Have a good reason if you need to call someone Blue.

Also, this is WIFOM, but I wouldn't have posted that whole explanation if I were actually the Cell Leader. People would be smart enough to figure out Private Investigator Bear, Profile without an explanation. As well, Ace didn't ask for anything more, but I thought it might help trying to figure out what CL would do. The whole point of the list, would be people would dismiss it, because it wouldn't have any analysis behind it, but the Cell members would be able to figure it out that that's the member list if they knew I were leader. By posting this, now people can't just make stand-alone scum lists like that, because people have been made aware of this possibility, and so they will be scrutinized. i.e. anyone making a "scum-list" that has nothing but names is going to be looked at pretty closely, in case they're doing what I outlined.
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 26 2011 17:10 GMT
#259
Analysis of Tkdted's "Strange Role" Claim:

To me, it wouldn't be a big deal that Tkdted made his strange role claim, IF he is an experienced player (ANd can someone address that question?)

1. Sleeper Cell members might think that he too is sleeper cell, I don't know how many would vote for him so he may not be in any danger.

2. Townies may think that he's got some sort of blue, or green role, so he's safe from an early lynch.

Here's the question I'd like to pose though...

Is Tkdted a good enough player that he realized the above from the start??
If he didn't what could it mean?
a) feels safe in his role from reds, blues, both?
b) wants to establish himself as a powerful townie?
c) maybe I'm playing too much sc2 mafia custom, but he's trying to get lynched?


Thoughts?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 26 2011 17:13 GMT
#260
EBWOP:
Another thought Maybe Tkdted is seeking the protection of a possible medic role?
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