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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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why
United States215 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:31 Zorkmid wrote: I don't really fervently disagree with FoSing him for it, I made my post which technically reveals things that agents and cell leader can do, but I did so after thinking about it for 5 minutes. I think that Sandroba is acting at least as anti-town as Jackal58 for failing to point out situation for the town to be vigilant of. Sandroba did point out the danger. Basically, it went like this: Sandroba: I can think of a method for scum to communicate all teammates in one PM. Watch out. Ace, Gmarshal, Jackal: What is it? Sandroba: Don't want to say because it might help scum. Ace, GMarshal (eventually): ok Jackal: FoS On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote: That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. I guess I misused the word "anti-town". My point is that Jackal FoSing him serves a mafia purpose: if Jackal was town there's no incentive for him to know it, given that it can't be looked out for in the thread. The only reason Jackal would want to know is if he a scum or cell leader looking for effective PMing strategies. I think it is pretty clear that there is no benefit to town knowing the information and there is benefit for mafia, so the FoS can't be justified in terms of creating discussion. Anyway, I think everyone gets where I am coming from so I'll let the discussion move on. But my vote stays on Jackal unless someone can come up with a better lynch (why are people voting Mr. Wiggles?). | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:12 Ace wrote: That doesn't mean anything. Posting frequency is just as much affected by what's being posted by other players and if people are directly asking you questions. That's a waste of time. I think if you are scum in this set up you are forced into hiding until you know who is on your team. I am town. I have nothing to hide from town. My biggest let down would be to become a mislynch for town. Lynches are the only means we have to win. Scum will target pro town at night. I have no control over that. If I get shot that just means scum thought I was doing a good job. Scum can't afford to post much. If they attempt to appear too much like town they run the risk of being killed by their own teammates at night. They do not yet possess the knowledge to bandwagon lynches so they are on their own in that respect. Not to mention running the risk of lynching their own. Or slipping up and getting lynched themselves. I really think activity levels will tell a story when this game is over. Just my opinion. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 26 2011 06:18 why wrote: Sandroba did point out the danger. Basically, it went like this: Sandroba: I can think of a method for scum to communicate all teammates in one PM. Watch out. Ace, Gmarshal, Jackal: What is it? Sandroba: Don't want to say because it might help scum. Ace, GMarshal (eventually): ok Jackal: FoS I guess I misused the word "anti-town". My point is that Jackal FoSing him serves a mafia purpose: if Jackal was town there's no incentive for him to know it, given that it can't be looked out for in the thread. The only reason Jackal would want to know is if he a scum or cell leader looking for effective PMing strategies. I think it is pretty clear that there is no benefit to town knowing the information and there is benefit for mafia, so the FoS can't be justified in terms of creating discussion. Anyway, I think everyone gets where I am coming from so I'll let the discussion move on. But my vote stays on Jackal unless someone can come up with a better lynch (why are people voting Mr. Wiggles?). If that's your idea of the way I FoS somebody you haven't been paying attention.  I hit 'em with a bag of rocks and don't stop. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 25 2011 14:32 Ace wrote: eh how? The point of bread crumbs is to prove something before it happens via hidden clues. So how in the world is that going to help us find the Cell Leader? I'm just thinking we can look for things that are people trying to direct mafia. We can assume that the GF is going to find a way to make himself known to his agents. This is why stuff like: On April 25 2011 15:04 darmousseh wrote: Vain, I hope you aren't a dt because that is the most obvious blue tell ever in my opinion. Looks somewhat scummy to me because of: On April 25 2011 11:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Keep in mind that scum can kill scum as well. I think something we should watch out for is people trying to manipulate or send messages to scum about how to act, as that will help us pick out the GF. As soon as a few scum start popping up, we should be able to draw connections between them and other players, and hopefully find a common point in the GF. The hard part will be when we kill the GF, because then a new one is selected. When that happens we have to be careful to observe who is changing their behavior towards other players unexpectedly, because this could be a sign of the new GF who suddenly has all the other agent names. Say Darm is scum, this could be him posting a potential hit target for the other cell members, in saying who he thinks is blue. As a general rule, I don't think people should point out who they think is blue or not. If they do an analysis, and figure someone is blue, they can just as easily call them town to protect them from sniping. On April 26 2011 00:08 GMarshal wrote: Also I suppose its time I started generating discussion. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mr.Wiggles do you know why I'm voting for you Mr.Wiggles? Well, pressure doesn't work very well when the person isn't around to see it. :p I think you're voting for me because I made a couple posts, went to bed, and have been at school until just recently, so it looks like I'm lurking/inactive. This isn't really the case, I'm reading the thread, just a lot of my reactions and ideas will be delayed and concentrated in a few posts instead of all over until two days from now. That, or you think one of my ideas is scummy, but I just pointed out what I mean by leading the cell and breadcrumbs if that's the one you're worried about. As for breadcrumbs, you can look for people posting odd things, pictures, rhymes, ciphers, etc. Changing their signature and/or profile, writing things with the first words of every sentence or every line, stuff like that. It might be clever for scum to try, but I'm not going to obsess over it. I'm just saying that if there's something super apparent, it could easily be a mafia breadcrumb. Now, to answer Ace. My three picks (with reasoning and follow-up) would go: 1. Ace. He's an experienced player and has a reputation as a good analyzer/arguer. 2. GMarshal. I have experience playing games with him, and think he's a good all-around player. 3. Jackal58. He tunnels a lot, and is a very aggressive poster. It would be good to get him in the know so I could use that to my advantage, and to avoid friendly fire. Message: "Follow PI Bear, Profile" 19 characters, 4 words. All they'd have to do is look into my profile, and see the picture I have there right now, as well as the first joke sentence underneath, "Hi, I'm Mr. Wiggles the Detective Bear! No matter the type of grisly discovery, I'll always be first on the scene! I've barely been stumped in my entire career!". This would easily alert them to my identity. The next thing I would do, is at some point, either post a scumlist that contains all of the sleeper agents, +/-1, or a scumlist that contains none of them +/-1. I would be sure not to provide much reasoning, and play down it's importance, so that no one would take it too seriously. I'd then hope the one's I've contacted would be smart enough to figure out that if they're on it, others are, or if they're not on it, no one else is, as they know I'm the Cell Leader, and must be up to something. Follow up messages would be: "PI Bear, Profile, List (or else Not List)" to notify everyone within the shortest amount of time of who I am, and to look at the list, or not at the list. As for activity: We have to keep in mind that certain events in-thread will change activity levels, as well as real-life constraints. For example, I'm not going to have a ton of posts for the next 48 hours, because of my 3 exams coming up. So, in your system (Jackal), I'd look very suspicious, because following that time-line, I'd start to be active right as Day 2 begins, meaning I must have been contacted if I were an Agent. As well, as soon as people begin debating things more, and information becomes revealed, there's probably going to be a lot more posting. I think a good way to counter-act this is just the old-fashioned way, by looking at who's pushing plans that have the most benefit to the agents/leader, and who's arguing against plans that would harm them. However, I still feel that there's going to be at least some agents among any lurkers in the game, but there will still be some among the most active players, just as normal. I don't think activity is the greatest indicator of scumminess, but rather behaviour. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Onto someone else who I want to post. Hi Eiii! Its nice to see you again. I find your lack of posts... disturbing. Time to give you a motivational push I think. ##Unvote ##Vote: Wiggles | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
##Unvote: Mr.WIggles ##Vote: Eiii | ||
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Impervious
Canada4198 Posts
On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote: God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less. Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are. Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet? It is doable in 5 words..... Regardless of how many members are on the team..... | ||
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Impervious
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Impervious
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On April 26 2011 07:45 Impervious wrote: It is doable in 5 words..... Regardless of how many members are on the team..... Also, keep in mind there's a 20 character limit, that's why I'm curious as to how you would let them know the entirety of the team in one message. Don't tell me though, in case the GF doesn't know either. :p | ||
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Impervious
Canada4198 Posts
On April 26 2011 07:52 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, keep in mind there's a 20 character limit, that's why I'm curious as to how you would let them know the entirety of the team in one message. Don't tell me though, in case the GF doesn't know either. :p Ask me in 3 days. I have a general method for it, so it'll be pretty difficult to catch onto it, even if the cell leader is doing it..... | ||
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Impervious
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Impervious can you list your 3 players? | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4198 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:06 Ace wrote: Happy Birthday Wiggles. Impervious can you list your 3 players? I did. On April 25 2011 22:46 Impervious wrote: Nothing against you, but I haven't played or checked out a game where why has played. I would have put you in the 3rd spot. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4198 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh ya. do you guys think its funny how Mafia may vote the most protown role to kill which may force Sleeper Cell People to not contribute as much? It's not funny, its smart play by them. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 26 2011 08:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh ya. do you guys think its funny how Mafia may vote the most protown role to kill which may force Sleeper Cell People to not contribute as much? ??? | ||
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