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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:12 GMT
#181
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 26 2011 00:11 tnkted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 23:28 Jackal58 wrote:
My 3 would be
tnkted

Tackster

GMarshall

My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences

tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it.

Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from.

GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that.

All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other.
For that to happen something has to be left in the thread.



OFFTOPIC:
LOL. dude, i was searching for that post in insane 2 and i couldn't find it, you don't happen to remember what page it was on do you?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200702&currentpage=144#2877

this?

/end offtopic
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 15:18 GMT
#182
On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote:
it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am.

Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that.

IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs.


I have no idea what "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" even refers to. Either way can you just answer the question? It does matter.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
April 25 2011 15:29 GMT
#183
the fuck is this shit.

youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.

and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.

fos list so far:

ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists
tnkted
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1359 Posts
April 25 2011 15:30 GMT
#184
On April 26 2011 00:18 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote:
it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am.

Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that.

IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs.


I have no idea what "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" even refers to. Either way can you just answer the question? It does matter.


Rean "GG.org #mafia powerkid follow me" he'd understand why.
Jackal "breadcrumb this, my beloved" obvious reasons, follow the link ^.
GMarshal "wheels on bus go round" my bus driving skills in insane 2 are the stuff of legend.

If i had to write specific messages. You wouldn't get the twinkle twinkle one because you weren't in insane 2, but almost everyone else will have picked that up.

'I think "tnkted" may have justified this entire thread.' - Mjolnir
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 15:32 GMT
#185
On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote:
it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am.

Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that.

IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs.

I think I disagree with that. I think scum are doing a huge wtf do I do atm. It will be the end of day two at the earliest before they would all know who the GF is. That's assuming 4 sleepers. What do they do in the meantime? Would seem to me they'd have to pretty much hide. With possibly 1/3 of the players having a scum role they run a one in three chance of killing one of their team mates. I think it is most likely that we will see a players activity level increase a bit after he has been contacted by his Leader but even then he most likely will only know 1 member. I think I'm liking towns chances in this the more I think about it.
Life can only kill you once.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:35 GMT
#186
On April 26 2011 00:29 Rean wrote:
the fuck is this shit.

youre discussing how the gf can crumb in his messages WHEN THATS USELESS TO TOWN.
seriously, we dont give a fuck how they crumb because we wont find out about it anyway if mafia is even half-decent.

and now you're even making cutesy lists on who you would message if you were the GF? STOP BEING USELESS. seriously, you people are randomly discussing things that don't get us anywhere.

fos list so far:

ace/tnkted/more idiots filling the thread with bullshit lists


So, what would you like us to talk about then? Should we make an in depth discussion of the merits of lynching inactives? Or discuss what our blues should be doing?

Of course we give a fuck of how mafia crumbs, we might be able to catch them at it!

But still, what do you propose we do to STOP BEING USELESS?

your FoS is reduced to "people are discussing things, I won't offer an alternative but get pissed at them for *talking* how *dare* they start discussing things!"

So Rean, if you had the lynch right now who would you kill and why?

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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 15:43 GMT
#187
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 15:48 GMT
#188
On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.


Interestingly enough do you mind if I ask you a question?

Why are these lists useful?

I'd like to hear what reasoning went behind asking us to post these.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 15:51 GMT
#189
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 15:53 GMT
#190
On April 26 2011 00:48 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.


Interestingly enough do you mind if I ask you a question?

Why are these lists useful?

I'd like to hear what reasoning went behind asking us to post these.

First thought that crossed my mind is he's the cell leader looking for us to do his breadcrumbing for him. But I'm willing to play along to see where he was going.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 15:55 GMT
#191
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.

They have yet to post at all.
Life can only kill you once.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 25 2011 16:07 GMT
#192
Same goes for trackster. I noticed he posted in survivor thread yet he refuses to post here.
Rean
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands808 Posts
April 25 2011 16:16 GMT
#193
On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.


How about you give us a reason as to why this is NOT a waste of time? How is knowing what everyone would pick in the hypothetical situation they're GF getting us anywhere close to catching scum?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 16:23 GMT
#194
Read what you just posted and slap yourself for asking a silly question. You just answered your own question.

But ok sir critic, what should we do instead?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 25 2011 16:29 GMT
#195
what can i say.. this discussion is odd
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
April 25 2011 16:33 GMT
#196
On April 26 2011 01:16 Rean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 00:43 Ace wrote:
Good job Rean, contribute more please. You're path to the lynch wagon won't take long with shit posts like that.

Post your lists or at least give some damn good reasons why this is useless.


How about you give us a reason as to why this is NOT a waste of time? How is knowing what everyone would pick in the hypothetical situation they're GF getting us anywhere close to catching scum?



I'm in agreement with rean, this doesn't seem like it will help at all. It's better to just try to analyze behavior and get information. It is different than normal mafia, but tells shouldn't be any different than a normal game. The biggest difference is that the mafia can't bus anyone and they are likely to be as sheepy as the rest of town and so it will be difficult to determine scum behavior off of voting patterns only.
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 16:59 GMT
#197
On April 25 2011 21:51 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:
Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later):
DSBETNLBNTF

Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important:

1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells.

2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/

Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2.


I don't see any reason whatsoever to limit ourselves in our scumhunting methods. I sure that there are some players here that have skills in doing both. I would encourage everyone to do both 1 AND 2, at least in some form. There's no way to predict what form breadcrumbing will take, so let's not force analysis through a top down approach.

I completely agree with method number 2 here. Behaviour analysis is going to be our main weapon, as always. As we get further into the game, it will become even easier to compare the behaviour of mafia from day1 and 2 when they most likely don't know each other to how they are acting on the next days (3+) which they most likely figured it out.

Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 17:01 GMT
#198
On April 26 2011 01:59 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 21:51 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote:
Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later):
DSBETNLBNTF

Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important:

1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells.

2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/

Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2.



I don't see any reason whatsoever to limit ourselves in our scumhunting methods. I sure that there are some players here that have skills in doing both. I would encourage everyone to do both 1 AND 2, at least in some form. There's no way to predict what form breadcrumbing will take, so let's not force analysis through a top down approach.

I completely agree with method number 2 here. Behaviour analysis is going to be our main weapon, as always. As we get further into the game, it will become even easier to compare the behaviour of mafia from day1 and 2 when they most likely don't know each other to how they are acting on the next days (3+) which they most likely figured it out.

edit by way of double post: Sorry all, the bolded part is what I typed in the previous message, should have previewed it....
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 17:13 GMT
#199
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.


Ok, read through the whole thread, no idea what list it is that I have to post...

GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 17:16 GMT
#200
On April 26 2011 02:13 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.


Ok, read through the whole thread, no idea what list it is that I have to post...


Imagine for a second you are the cell leader, who would you message and what would you tell them in that message? Pick 3 people ( assume in this imaginary world that anyone you choose to message is automatically a member of the mafia) .

I think I can guess as to why Ace wants this, but we'll see, just play along with and post it.
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