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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
April 25 2011 17:39 GMT
#201
It is possible for scum to kill scum at night.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 17:45 GMT
#202
On April 26 2011 02:39 iGrok wrote:
It is possible for scum to kill scum at night.

That just makes me believe scum are going to hunker down and hide for a day or two.
Life can only kill you once.
Vain
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands1115 Posts
April 25 2011 18:13 GMT
#203
On April 26 2011 02:16 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 02:13 Zorkmid wrote:
On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote:
That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists.

Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists.


Ok, read through the whole thread, no idea what list it is that I have to post...


Imagine for a second you are the cell leader, who would you message and what would you tell them in that message? Pick 3 people ( assume in this imaginary world that anyone you choose to message is automatically a member of the mafia) .

I think I can guess as to why Ace wants this, but we'll see, just play along with and post it.


Ok, my list would be Ace, tnkted, GMarshal. Why? Because i've all seen this names before one way or another in the mafia forums. They have some experience playing it so if i give out the information to them would be the best choice. The post would be something like: Mafia codeword:very. Even pages

The codeword could be something else i guess. but it boils down to that.
Battle.net 2.0 is a waiter and he's a dick
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
April 25 2011 18:33 GMT
#204
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.
Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
April 25 2011 18:42 GMT
#205
Hey guys - sorry i'm so late I didn't even realise I was in this until recently.

I quickly caught up - posting clues as to what you would message your mafia buddies? Really? Who thought that was a good idea?

Is it not terribly obvious that any halfway decent mafia would create a breadcrumbing strategy that totally avoids suspicion? Thinking we can catch it is unlikely and not useful. Behavioral analysis is all that is gonna help us here.

Tnkted I really need some kind of info as to why you did what you did earlier today? I'm reading it either as a green who didnt want to die so claimed a PR or a red with the amazing tactic of 'if i'm a REALLY obvious mafia no one will vote me...'

Anywho I feel I have very little to go on right now. Others who have yet to post I hope do so. I will be more active from now on!

As a last act:
##Vote Jackal58
This is not due to any hunting or anything - i just thought i'd mindlessly tunnel him until i have something better to do
Tackster: Can you give me a synonym of flammable? Deconduo: Inflammable...
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 18:43 GMT
#206
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.
Life can only kill you once.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 18:45 GMT
#207
If sandroba is the Cell Leader though then he also doesn't have to tell anyone either

Discussion has centered on the setup but a few of us are trying to push some agendas here. There is much more going on here than you think. Once everyone finishes posting their lists I'll explain why I asked for them.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
April 25 2011 18:58 GMT
#208
On April 26 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.


What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part.

And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to...
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 19:57 GMT
#209
On April 25 2011 22:30 Ace wrote:
Look at the player list. Let's pretend you were the Cell Leader for a second. What 3 players on the list would you send a message to and what would it be? (assume everyone is Scum for a second so you can just pick anyone)


I'm not really sure what the point is of picking three players or even telling you what my strategy as a cell leader would be...but let's play the game!

1. Ace - Make friends of Violence, Joy

2. Jackal58- Make friends of Violence, Avarice

3. Vain- Make friends of Avarice, Joy

Basically something to try and inform the agents of who their pals are. I'm not sure if my example messages would be "lost" or not.

The more I think about it though, the only reason to inform red agents of who the other red agents are would be so that they aren't nominated, in fact knowledge of all reds may even be more easily detectable by town. I think that the odds of ALL red agents being nominated in any given night is pretty damned small.

I guess that another strategy the CL could use would be to send out suggestions on lynch voting one by one, night by night in an attempt to lynch greens and reds.

I guess that these are the things that I'm going to be looking out for, in addition to breadcrumbing.

Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 19:57 GMT
#210
On April 26 2011 03:58 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.


What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part.

And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to...

And he made no mention of not wanting to discuss it until I asked him to share. So I'm scummy because I'm not a mind reader?

Life can only kill you once.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 20:02 GMT
#211
On April 26 2011 04:57 Zorkmid wrote:

I guess that another strategy the CL could use would be to send out suggestions on lynch voting one by one, night by night in an attempt to lynch greens and reds.



EBWOP: I guess that another strategy the CL could use would be to send out suggestions on lynch voting one by one, night by night in an attempt to lynch greens and BLUES.
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
April 25 2011 20:27 GMT
#212
On April 26 2011 04:57 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 03:58 why wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.


What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part.

And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to...

And he made no mention of not wanting to discuss it until I asked him to share. So I'm scummy because I'm not a mind reader?



Jackal, this is the post I am referring to:

On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.


At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.

Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 20:31 GMT
#213
On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:57 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:58 why wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.


What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part.

And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to...

And he made no mention of not wanting to discuss it until I asked him to share. So I'm scummy because I'm not a mind reader?



Jackal, this is the post I am referring to:

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.


At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.



I don't really fervently disagree with FoSing him for it, I made my post which technically reveals things that agents and cell leader can do, but I did so after thinking about it for 5 minutes. I think that Sandroba is acting at least as anti-town as Jackal58 for failing to point out situation for the town to be vigilant of.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 20:36 GMT
#214
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 25 2011 20:42 GMT
#215
On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:

At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.



That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town.

anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion.

Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
April 25 2011 20:47 GMT
#216
##VOTE Mr. Wiggles

I'm interested in your answer to GM's question.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 20:57 GMT
#217
On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 04:57 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:58 why wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:43 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote:
a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done.

At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him.

##Vote: Jackal58

b) Depending on the exact meaning of

On April 08 2011 14:51 iGrok wrote:
Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost".


scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable.

c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts.

My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal"

Glad you could join us.


What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part.

And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to...

And he made no mention of not wanting to discuss it until I asked him to share. So I'm scummy because I'm not a mind reader?



Jackal, this is the post I am referring to:

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On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:54 Ace wrote:
On April 25 2011 22:46 sandroba wrote:
Ace, I trust your analysis and think you are a smart player, but I don't like the idea of feeding ideas to the cell leader. I don't see how this can be helpful for town as I can think of other methods of comunicating with the sleeper agents that do not involve using the posts in this thread.


Well you can keep those methods to yourself since you don't seem intent on sharing. What I'm doing here is something else. Guess you'll just have to read into it a bit more.

I'm going to post my three people without the msg then.
Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles.
I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents.

Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg.
Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities.
Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts.
This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing.


At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion.


I was merely asking him to refrain from making posts that he did not feel he was able to discuss.
Much like tnkted's semi claim last night. If you can't discuss it don't allude to it. If you have to put forth something and need to hold back some details fine. At least explain that in your original post. But don't say I know all the answers but I'm not telling.
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Tackster
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland429 Posts
April 25 2011 20:59 GMT
#218
On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote:
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?


How does revealing this help town?
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
April 25 2011 21:05 GMT
#219
On April 26 2011 05:59 Tackster wrote:
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On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote:
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?


How does revealing this help town?


We now know we have to work on the assumption that the mafia will have all their names by day 3.
I think thats a pretty relevant piece of knowledge for us to have, no?
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
April 25 2011 21:10 GMT
#220
On April 26 2011 06:05 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2011 05:59 Tackster wrote:
On April 26 2011 05:36 GMarshal wrote:
God dammit, I figured out what sand was getting at. He is right, it can be done, the whole mafia team can be informed of who the other members are, in my method they won't find out who the GF is but they *will* know who the entire team is. I *think* its doable in five words too, assuming the team consists of five members or less.

Assume that by night 3 the whole mafia team will be aware of the other members are.

Time to work on lynching people I guess. Mr.Wiggles, have you figured out why my vote is on you yet?


How does revealing this help town?


We now know we have to work on the assumption that the mafia will have all their names by day 3.
I think thats a pretty relevant piece of knowledge for us to have, no?

It is very relevant. If it is indeed possible the biggest scum tells I think we'll see is a change in posting frequencies. I would suggest every body keep track of how many posts per day each player is making. If there is a marked increase by some of them after 2 or 3 days it is very likely they are scum.
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