TL Mafia XXXVIII

What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets?

You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play.

Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these kudos to you for failing.

On April 10 2011 15:10 Conversion wrote:


Thanks, I like to know that I am terrible. You're a great help, Mr. "if you think someone is an assassin announce it"

I never realized there was a part in there that said "if you're a terrible poster, I'm going to attack you for FoSing an assassin."

On April 11 2011 19:58 Conversion wrote:
Fair enough to keep an eye on me. I understand that my defensiveness towards DrH's pokes wasn't the most town thing to do.

About to go to school now, but can anyone tell me more about DrH's town play? Is he usually as aggressive? I know Barundar posted some things already, but has there been a case where DrH played an aggressive day 1 as townie?

On April 12 2011 09:33 Conversion wrote:
Well, I'll be frank. I don't like DocH. He comes off right off the bat as an asshole that was acting aggressively to draw responses, as some of you have stated (kav in particular) in your posts.

However, I am not going to let something so trivial deter my vote. He also taught me something, albeit small, most of you attempting to help have not by pointing out that my defense was not very town-like. I'm very confident that, after reading Doc's posts, DocH is green.

Though I disagree with his first lynch (kav), I feel like a more experienced townie in a mayor position would be more beneficial. I have not been able to read his past games- and no one answered my questions- so I'll take the word from a few of you that DocH actually does have an aggressive town meta in a few of his games.

With that said,
##vote DoctorHelvetica

On April 12 2011 20:00 Conversion wrote:
I'm fine with a DT check waste on me with anything. You'll get a townie read and, unless for some retarded reason you think mafia will make me godfather, no other information.

Yes I played rather poorly, but are you aeriously accusing me of being scum? Maybe I was too wishy washy with the way I voted, saying that I had the town's best interest, but whatever floats your boat.

I was only trying to benefit town with what I read in this shitstorm of a thread.

On April 14 2011 01:58 Conversion wrote:


Currently at school right now (using my itouch).

Reading through what some of the power players said about protact claiming, I think he's telling the truth. Why would he claim DT if he is scum? I don't think, if he were to be lynched after lynching coag, it's a favorable trade. Also, assassins can't use ANY powers night 1, right?

I'm suspicious of people who are defending coag. I am suspicious of you and GM.

your confidence in your conviction against me and when you defend coag is very suspicious. in your analysis of me being "red," you don't even accout for the fact that I'm a shitty town player. you also ignore the fact that other townies (newer ones) played as wishy washy as i did.

GM because he's been defending and arguing against the wrong people, in my opinion. It's a weak suspicion that should grow stronger or weaker as the game progresses.

On April 14 2011 20:32 Conversion wrote:
Before I go to school, I'd just like to correct Barundar.

I never got modkilled for inactivity, I asked for a replacement due to lack of time (and personal problems).

And I'm sorry I can't be more active, but I'm just going to scum slip without even knowing. I'm a terrible player and this is my first game (why I played a 40 player normal game as my first game, beats me.)

I'm not particularly vocal irl and I'm not particularly vocal on the internet.

So I apologize if you get a scum read on me, and I hope you change your mind, but I have no idea how to go about defending myself.

On April 17 2011 00:18 Conversion wrote:
Woulf it even be detrimental to mislynch today?

If not, I'll be fine getting lynched since Barundar seems to believe that I'm mafia because of my play, regardless of what I tell him.

I'm detrimental to town at this point and I don't even know how to make a post without someone analyzing me/questioning me.

If you guys don't care about lynching mafia (as we lost quite a few over the past day/night), might as well lynch a lurker, like me.

But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever.

On April 17 2011 11:27 Conversion wrote:
I'm reading the thread.

I'm really, really trying to analyze someone but I don't know how to analyze

1) lurkers that post as little as I did

or

2) both players I tried to analyze seem freaking pro town.

Just off the top of my head, people who haven't been contributing as much as I did (none)

22.The_Roist
25.jaminz
30.MetalFace
36.Robellicose
37.Mig
39.Conversion

Now I believe Metalface (?) and someone else (was it Robellicose) were bodyguard.

I doubt can be mafia. There's no way a scum team, with a few experienced players in their team, would allow jaminz to lurk for so long, making four(!!) posts in the entire thread. He hasn't really disrupted ideal town environment, just posted a few things here and there.

M0nsterchef looks really suspicious to me.
+ Show Spoiler [My first attempt at analysis] +

Along with this, we have Barundar, a pro-town player, claiming to be roleblocked twice.

M0nsterchef, like the many other times he showed up to post, defends himself with a "I was roleblocked" claim.

Now, regardless if the roleblock thing is true or not, his posting habits and behavior seem incredibly scummy. He posted a grand total of three times after shit went down in this thread.

He doesn't even vote for GMarshal, which was either to not seem like a sheep or he was inactive to take his "bus" off coag.

I doubt [jaminz] can be mafia. There's no way a scum team, with a few experienced players in their team, would allow jaminz to lurk for so long, making four(!!) posts in the entire thread.

On April 18 2011 09:59 Conversion wrote:


SO let me get this straight.

1) you don't want to lynch jaminz because his "scummy" posts point him to being a novice, but that doesn't apply to me?
2) since you "believe" (what the fuck?) m0nster is blue, you think I'm scummy? rofl. okay. so if I claim vet early on to avoid a lynch and behave like a lurking scum, you'd still trust me? great play.
3) you don't even try to defend him by taking apart my analysis.

nice to know a few things about you. next time I play a game with you I'll claim a blue role so you ignore any analysis or post behavior and just believe me to be some newb blue role claimer.

On March 26 2011 21:36 TranceStorm wrote:
I'm /in. I haven't played a mafia game in a while, but I've been playing on other sites and what not, so I'm definitely interested.

On April 10 2011 19:16 TranceStorm wrote:

There is always the possibility that he is a mafia pretending to be an assassin in order to win himself an elected position on the merits of the arguments he listed earlier. But I'm not particularly inclined to this view because as of right now because that strategy would be exceedingly risky at the very beginning of the game.

If we were to elect Protactinium, at the very least, we would make sure that a clear non-mafia were elected for the time being. However, I am concerned about his commitment to being pro-town if elected. From his own admission, he says that:

Of course, what should happen if he were to be elected, and both bodyguards were to die? The chances are slim of course, but the fact is that he could switch sides at critical moments (i.e. when he is one of the deciding votes between the mafia and town). In the early game, Protactinium would definitely be town-sided, but resulting changes to the circumstances of the game could radically change his allegiances. Oh and lastly, I don't think he would be able to 'ally with mafia' like he claims if he weren't elected since another assassin would take him out to further their own chances at victory.

Like other people of reiterated, I would recommend that the pardoner would be the best position for Protactinium on the basis that an assassin would have little reason to ever pardon someone, but at the same time, we have a confirmed non-mafia who is able to give good analysis of player behavior and who will survive for the later stages of the game.

On April 11 2011 05:22 TranceStorm wrote:

Hey, I just got on the thread and read all the stuff, and Pandian's points were the first I had something to respond to. Personally, as I said earlier, I feel uneasy about Prot's campaign because of his potential for swapping allegiances later in the game. The other candidate's I don't have any clear reads on since there is absolutely no and since we can't confirm anything. I'm inclined to believe that Pandian is the detective from my personal gut feeling from his original post though, even though I don't think his idea to reveal himself was all the great for the town.

On April 11 2011 08:00 TranceStorm wrote:

I think the support for GMarshal is a bit suspicious at the moment. Everyone seems to justify their vote for GMarshal on the basis that he is the most pro-town and that argument is thrown around alot. But it seems like alot of people are sheeping to his side without alot of justification for why. Personally, I think that Dr. H has been the most town to me because of his aggressive approach. I don't think any mafia would want to make that aggressive of a start at the beginning of a game - they'd rather appear more passive to the town. Would a mafia risk making that many contradictions at the beginning of a game?

Dr. H's accusations seem a bit erratic and scattergun and may cause trouble later down the road, in my opinion he is the most town out of all the candidates making him the safest choice for me.

On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote:
I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town?

From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors.

On April 17 2011 02:02 TranceStorm wrote:

I find your responses to being put under pressure very troubling though. In the very beginning, you seemed to be more active and willing to question the motives of other players. After Barundur started to put pressure on you, you put up the excuse that you were new and wanted to avoid being seen as scum repeatedly - until we've reached this moment where you are basically saying "lynch me, but you'll regret it!". To me, the fact that you have withdrawn as the game moved on is highly suspicious especially since each post seems to be a justification as to why you shouldn't have to make contentful posts in the future.

On April 18 2011 07:54 TranceStorm wrote:
I'm going to vote for jaminz for today's lynch. Mig's post on jaminz is especially incriminating for me on jaminz' remarkable change in posting behavior. Considering how helpful he seemed to be in the previous game that Mig spotted (Haunted Mafia), you would expect that jaminz would contribute a little more in the current circumstances.

jaminz is a much stronger candidate than kevconsim for me. Reading from his previous games, his contribution always seems to be rather limited which makes him an extremely uncertain lynch target in my opinion.

On the issue of the roleblocks, I think we should wait another day before we make any judgments on whether m0nster or Barundur are lying. It seems especially strange that the number of people roleblocked should go from 1 to 2 (it seems far more likely for 2 people to have been roleblocked on the first night and only 1 on the 2nd night considering the collection of hits between the assassins). If there are indeed 2 roleblockers, why would they choose to not roleblock on the first day?

On April 18 2011 08:47 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Was this the last haunted mafia game that Dr. H put on? I actually played that game but didn't really have any idea what was going on. It was my first mafia game. I also don't remember really any players from it. I think whoever was the town leader ended up being the mafia vampire dracula godfather guy and they ended up winning.

ANYWAY, all I can work with is my personal experience with jaminz in this game. I guess I can't really hold it against people are are voting for him because of his past games but I won't take other people's word as the basis for my own decisions.

I really don't think he is mafia and I want to ask anyone voting for him or who haven't voted yet to reconsider tying the noose around jaminz's neck.

On April 18 2011 10:46 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I will just say one more thing about my earlier post. I have a very strong reason to believe jaminz is not red and I'm sticking to it. I'm not as sure that conversion is red as much as I believe jaminz to be town. Conversion just seems the scummiest person to me at this point. I would also be okay with a kev lynch.

Key point I want everyone to read: jaminz is not red.

On April 21 2011 09:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
My posts about conversion are much better understood within the context of when they were posted.

He was making sketchy posts at the time (which I still believe to be sketchy), jaminz did a good job of bringing some of his posts together for easier examination, and TranceStorm brought up a point I agreed with. I was not throwing shit around just to see if it would stick.

Also, you hurt my feelings when you tell me to play better.