TL Mafia XXXVIII
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When I was a kid I used to play Sim City quite a lot. I was only like seven or eight so I made some mistakes, but overall I did really well managing my cities (until I summoned aliens or godzilla to destroy them lol). Sometimes I think I let pollution get a tad out of hand, but it was pretty hard to balance industrial demand and pollution together so I just stuck the industrial areas in a corner surrounded by a ton of trees.
When I got a few years older, this game called Sim Town came out where you actually manage your own town and individual houses and shops. I was really good at this game in my opinion. It was a bit easier than Sim City because it was meant for younger kids, but I don't feel that detracts from my qualifications any.
I'm also really good with legos and I have a lego train and a bunch of lego city buildings. I dunno which sets exactly, but I built a lego town on my coffee table and I think I did pretty well (until my cat walks over it haha).
So I think I'm pretty good at town games and stuff.
Um, I'm also supposed to vote for someone I think? So...
I think he has the most votes so he's probably a veteran or something I guess (I don't really understand what I'm voting for but the thread says I have to...). The other guy with a lot of votes... Prostatetractor or whatever said he's an assassin... I don't think that's a good thing to vote for is it? If it is I may change my vote (if I can do that) but it sounds like he's just going to kill people or something.
Also I'm sorry for the late post, I'm not inactive so please don't ban me or anything. I've just had a busy day... had to plant flowers outside and cut some tree limbs.
On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
This is for one of the same reasons I wouldn't want a black mayor.
...what? I'm sorry I'm still trying to learn how to play this game but... what does skin color have to do with anything. That's just being racist =/
Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so.
Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too.
Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him.
32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch
On April 13 2011 16:18 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I don't want to lynch analyzers this early unless there is a mountain of undeniable evidence against them. I really don't want to get to the endgame with a bunch of serejai's still trolling around. That being said, I am reticent to waste early lynches on inactives....I am very confused at the moment. I think I need to see coag's response to this before I can begin to make a decision.
Also I want to start putting heat on the inactives.
Serejai, give an opinion on something. Without trolling. Do it now.
What do you think of protact's double claim?
I think Protact said it best himself.
"On the other hand, claiming DT is fairly safe for mafia, as after the intial backlash, the claimed DT will generally be ignored for the rest of the game."
On April 13 2011 22:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Since the thread is fresh in my head~
Lotta people run for mayor
Pandain claims DT (not DT of course)
Protactinum claims assasin
Doctor H gets mayor, lynches Kav because DH is probably scum and couldnt handle kav anylizing him
GM is scum pardoner
I diesel my way into the game
Night hits come, no mis-hits sad town
Prot is claims DT instead having checked coag and geting scum
That basically it in a nutshell, and there are a lot of people running around doing nothing (see serejai).
In fact, I don't remember prot actually saying that serjai, so please get vig'd.
That's ironic you don't recall him saying that. Scum buddies with him, perhaps?
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On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote:
Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make.
I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia.
Now you may be asking, is Protactinium trying to pull a fast one on me? I thought Assassins couldn't use any night actions till Night 2!
I am, in fact, not an Assassin, as I may have led you all to believe Day 1. I am actually a Detective, and I've found you a Mafia member right from Night 1.
Now why would I claim Assassin Day 1 if I was actually a Detective? It was intentional, and all part of the plan. Unfortunately, I wasn't elected, but at least I had a backup plan. TL towns have a history of wanting to Lynch All Liars, but there is a very good reason that I didn't claim Detective from the start. Just look at Pandain to see why DT claims never work: it's been tried before, and Mafia have every incentive to fake claim DT. Thus, the claim backfired and the entire town jumped on him and tore him to shreds. Not a desireable outcome if you're really a DT, right? And this wasn't the first game where that happened. If you have time, go back and read TL Mafia VIII, where nemY the Detective claimed Detective... and then got jumped by town. I expected the same backlash had I actually roleclaimed Detective, so that's why I went with the Assassin claim. Furthermore, while Mafia are very incentivized to claim DT, they would be stupid to claim Assassin, since if the election bid fails, the actual Assassins will just shoot them Night 2. On the other hand, claiming DT is fairly safe for mafia, as after the intial backlash, the claimed DT will generally be ignored for the rest of the game. Assassin claims also help draw out the Mafia, and as the Pandain example shows, DT claims don't have the same effect, since everyone attacks the DT claim and causes chaos.
And if you're saying this is a bus and I'm Mafia, you wouldn't be saying that after I net a Mafia Night 2. And then Night 3.
The next question is assassin numbers. Remember how I claimed that there were 3 assassins? That was actually a ploy to keep the actual Assassins off of me. In terms of balance, all of the past games with assassins had assassins consist of roughly 10% of the total game population. In XXII, a game of 38 people, there were 4 Assassins, and in XXX, a game of 30 people, there were 3 Assassins. This game has 40 people, so assuming that Ver and Qatol helped BrownBear balance the game along the same lines as they did for me, there should actually be 4 Assassins in the game as well. Thus, my claim of there being 3 Assassins was a guess, but an educated one, in the hopes to keep both the guise of me being Assassin up and the actual Assassins off of my back.
Anyway, my plan successfully drew out the mafia. As I said before, mafia and assassins are desperate to stop my campaign, as an assassin in office would be a serious threat to both parties. Yesterday's vote clearly showed that mafia got panicky and overreacted when the vote was close and I had a chance of winning the election. Anyway, going back to my original list:
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
So why is Coagulation suspicious?
He is clearly pushing mafia objectives. As I have established before, Mafia doesn't want me anywhere near the Mayor/Pardoner positions. Guess what Coagulation has done? He opposed me right from the start. Then during the middle of the election when it looks like I had no chance of winning, he shut up and wasn't saying anything about us except for when he made a candidates list explaining what he thought of each candidate. Near the end of the day, however, when it looked like we had a chance of winning, Coag suddenly jumps on us and starts frothing at the mouth. He attacks me viciously, this time saying that I'm Mafia doing a not-so-last-minute vote switch and that the Assassin claim was just to garner votes. Seeing that the "he's assassin, don't vote for him" strategy didn't work, he tries to spread more fear by saying that I am Mafia. Then, when it seems like I have no chance of winning anymore, Coagulation disappears again.
He's silent during the time between DrH winning and Kav getting flipped, even though he was conveniently defending Kav strongly before this time. And guess what? Although Coag was adamantly against the lynch earlier and attacks the lynch right after it occurs, he is mysteriously silent right before the lynch and doesn't bother saving Kav at a moment where his arguments could be critical. This is completely consistent with Mafia objectives, as Mafia obviously would prefer that a known analyst is lynched over a random inactive. Rather than constantly trumpeting his position throughout the thread, he pops up in bursts, striking when mafia need it most, and then disappearing when things are going well. I got most suspicious of Coag right after the lynch. Look at when he is posting, and when he is not, and its obvious that he has a hidden agenda.
But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia. In particular, look at when Coag was yelling at DH not to lynch Kav. DH asked him for alternatives, yet he couldn't name a single name, just "any of the countless scummy lurkers". Compare this with his games as town, where he has no problem pointing out who he thinks is most scummy, and its pretty obvious that Coag is trying to hide the fact that he knows who the mafia are. Classic Mafia mentality, not wanting to have to point out scum and be accountable for it. Coagulation as green is fearless, posting every single thought that comes to his head as to who is Mafia. As DrH said at the end of Assassin In the Palace, Coagulation posts very frequently. This trend of trying to actively hunt down and call out Mafia as green goes all the way back to Haunted Mafia. As red, look at games like Insane 2 and Don't Lose Your Village. Coagulation is much more restrained and doesn't point out any reds with conviction like he does when he's town.
To sum it up, Coag is pushing mafia objectives. He had fierce opposition to my candidacy (mafia do not want a pro-town assassin in office), and conveniently posted at the right times. The whole game, he has been indecisive and is spreading doubt. Furthermore, he has not shown any conviction on who he thinks is Mafia, which is completely inconsistent with his town play, while he has no trouble pointing out who he thinks is innocent (GMarshal and Kavdragon). With all this evidence and my role check, there's no reason to vote anyone except Coagulation. GMarshal is suspicious too, but I'm not sure one way or the other. One thing is certain though: if he pardons Coagulation, they're both Mafia 100%.
Like I said, this party is only getting started. Mafia totally fell for my trap, so we are way ahead of where we would be otherwise.
Vote for Coagulation.
I bolded it for you since you don't seem to be very good at reading posts and are following your own personal scum agenda.
On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote:
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On April 15 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote:
On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote:
Happy birthday Protactinium!
And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag.
Would you lose a DT over a Vet?
Think about it, Protact is a waste of a lynch. Directs KP (black) to 1 person if Coag is town.
He is not a DT
Um, I think this guy is right cause he's a DT (check his icon next to name)
On April 15 2011 11:58 DropBear wrote:
Marshal you are on my scum team as well. Your sheep have jumped onto Coag as soon as the accusation came out.
Noone seems to be listening to me at all. I am happy to change my Kenpachi vote to you if I can't convince anyone otherwise.
Is everyone happy? I've made a meaningful post in this thread by pointing out the scum above.
On April 15 2011 12:02 Coagulation wrote:
No your just repeating what i said. thats scummy.
Your name is coagulation. That's scummy.
On April 15 2011 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On April 15 2011 12:04 Serejai wrote:
Are you guys serious? I finally find a post I can make a meaningful analysis on and you tell me it was a mistake? ~_~
Thanks. There goes my confidence. I thought I was going to be a hero for a minute there.
On April 15 2011 12:05 Lemonwalrus wrote:
The punishment for ver/fw/incog should be that serejai is now also on their team and he has to write all of their posts for them.
I can do that! Where do I sign up? My role is boring... I'd love to be an assassin and kill people while being immune to death myself because the entire town blindly follows me.
First off, it seems like most people are just being sheep and following the advice of others without Any thoughts of their own. I know that's what I'm doing because I don't feel I understand enough to Think for my own just yet. Because of this, you veteran players need to realize that what you post Has a very large effect on players like myself. It feels like some players have personal issues with Each other and that's making it extremely hard for me to learn the gameplay. Stop the hateful Responses and personal attacks and stick to analyses and stuff please.
Secondly, it feels like most of you are doing things with no real reason. A lot of you seem so overly Eager to tunnel in on someone even without solid proof, and so I'm finding myself changing votes to React to the newest "omg he's mafia, lynch him" target quite often. Like, is there a method to Everyone's madness? I'm having trouble seeing anything other than people calling out each other Just for the hell of it. For example, I personally feel that Coag and GM are scum and I don't have an Analysis of my own for them, so I don't post one. Yet other players that don't have their own are Insistent on posting random garbage just to bandwagon. It makes it hard for me to understand things.
On April 15 2011 13:06 tnkted wrote:
On April 15 2011 13:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Serajai is being given an official warning for talking about game related material outside of the game. A reminder that any discussion about the game outside of the thread is modkillable behavior. Serejai isn't being modkilled because it was indirect and could be construed differently
I don't particularly enjoy being called out for something I didn't do. Someone asked me why I was trolling this game, and I gave them an example scenario to explain my reasoning. DrHelvetica misinterpreted my post and somehow that's apparently my fault.
Two issues with this...
a) Nowhere in the rules for this game or for these forums in general does it say you cannot discuss games outside of their own thread, so even had I done it intentionally it's not a rule myself or any new player would know
b) You didn't even bother talking to me about this. Had you come to me and said "could you edit your post to not sound like you're talking about a current game", I would have complied. Instead, you discuss it behind my back and come to a decision based on the incorrect interpretation of another player. That's just horrible moderation any way you look at it.
Not even going to bother with the poor decision making regarding Flamewheel and GM's pardon because I think most people feel the same way, and it will show after the game ends.
So, I'd like to request a replacement for my spot. I'm not interested in continuing this game with the current hosts.