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On April 10 2011 01:27 Kavdragon wrote: Do we lynch an inactive day one? My thoughts: I think that we should lynch an inactive. People who are active can actually be read/analyzed later on, but inactives will always be an there in the back of our mind. This also pressures inactive players to become more active. I'd probably agree with this statement. Unless someone red/black goofs up and it's horrifically obvious that we can lynch them. And whilst I've not played/read a game that used a pardoner, we'll have to be pretty damned careful that we get one of us into the position - imagine a successful lynch of the godfather being blocked by some asshole mafia pardoner. man that would piss me off... | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. Interesting... We get a read on an assassin from analysis, then out them in public. Not only do we ensure that the other assassins are not focusing on a town target, but we could leave a watcher (if there are any... undisclosed rolecounts are nasty  ) on the targets house... boom we get a probable read on possibly multiple assassins! | ||
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On April 10 2011 06:26 aidnai wrote: How much mafia experience do you have robellicose? your name is also kinda fricking long to type, you have a preferred nick? I've played it on IRC a couple of times with university friends, but that lasted around 8-10 hours for a game, so it's not really on the same scale or the same flow of information. TL is my first experience of a forum mafia game, so will have to pick up things fairly quickly before someone shoots me. abbreviations that friends use to type my name: RoBe Bellico Belli feel free to come up with your own. To this day my lacrosse teammates insist on calling me whore ever since they found out my surname was Orr.... fun times whenever we're out partying and I start talking to someone with ladyparts. | ||
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FoS DoctorHelvetica ##Vote GMarshal | ||
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On April 10 2011 23:16 Jackal58 wrote: I went to bed and now I appear on everybody's inactive list. Not cool. Just noticed that a lot of the activity has been made by US players. Glad to realise that the time zone is the reason for me sleeping and waking up with a ton of posts to read! | ||
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Anyways, after rethinking a little more, I have to apologise to Protact, as I definitely don't want an assassin mayor. Whilst it's an intriguing idea, I also don't want to run the risk of an assassin pardoner, as there is no guaranteed return for the town there - any action by the pardoner, by definition of his pardoning ability, will not be easily questioned by town. A scum bandwagon vote could be claimed, his personal believe in the lynchee's innocence could be claimed.. etc. etc. In short, as coag has pointed out, there is no way you'd want to stop a lynch (except if it was your bodyguard) and it would be extremely difficult for us to call you on a lack of a pardon. I don't believe assassins should receive votes for the mayoral campaign. | ||
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I think the assassins are much more likely to lay low and wait for the mafia to deal with the bodyguards. Having an assassin mayor won't draw more fire for the town. Having said that, I still think it's better to have a town mayor, so I'm keeping my vote on the candidate I believe most likely to be town (GMarshall). | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:54 kitaman27 wrote: Lots of agreeing and head nodding, but no action. Protactinium currently leads the race. I'm backing GMarshall. I assume that counts as action? | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: Actually electing Proctat is by far the best move we could do. Think about it: 1.He's not mafia. We know this for a fact. We know that if he fails to either "rolecheck someone" or kill someone extra, then we lynch him. Furthormore, any of the other canidates we DONT KNOW if they ARE mafia. Personally I would prefer not having such a powerful mayor role, but if I had to give it to anyone, it would be proctat. And here is why he would not be anti town: a.)His goal is to kill assasins. This means that he will be going after the scum-esque people, since assasins and mafia will act at least noticably alike in this game, given that they are both hostile to town. At the very least he will be killing the anti town. b.) He will provide us will role checks. c.) HE WILL PROVIDE US WITH TWO CONFIRMED TOWNIES. Here is what I say: Proctat reveal who the two bodyguards are. Given that the OP says that two townies will be chosen, then we can have two confirmed townies. And obviously we know that the Assasins will be gunning for him. And Proctat is like "Wtf, I don't want to reveal my body guards." But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Furthormore I announce my campaign for Why I should be pardoner: ![[image loading]](http://cci-inspection.com/cci/images/stories/detective.jpg) I'm a dt. There. Now you guys have to make me it or I diez.... By having such an important blue role be so safe, we can gurantee that I shall help you guys. And if I don't give a true role check, you guys can lynch me. Was this a douche move? Yes. Is it worth it for me? Also yes. Man, at least you agree that it's a bit of a douche move to out yourself as blue. a) you're telling the truth, and now we have to vote you in or spend our medic on you constantly. b) you're a lying git, and are successfully screwing with the elections. I'm inclined to say that your roleclaim is truthful, as it's fairly easy for us to figure out if you actually have dt abilities or not. STILL A DOUCHE MOVE. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? A reasonable idea. I have no problems with this course of action at the moment, will have to think a little more on it. | ||
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Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:37 Barundar wrote: I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. I didn't think he was scum when he was roleclaiming dt. Now that he has cancelled his claim, I don't trust his play at all. Just woke up, off to work. I notice I have about 8 pages to catch up on. Dear god TL produces a lot of text  | ||
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Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green? | ||
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On April 12 2011 02:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think. Fair enough. Solid explanation. On April 12 2011 02:11 chaoser wrote: Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas) Sorry. Must have missed the post on my previous read throughs. Am satisfied with the reasons for your choice. | ||
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On April 12 2011 05:43 AirbladeOrange wrote: The more I think about it especially with this post, I believe there is a decent chance mafia is running multiple people. There is a big power struggle for mayor. I'm not really convinced any one the candidates are mafia, but maybe two of the major ones are mafia and are arguing with each other to further confuse us. Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind. There are no town PM circles, and the mayor and pardoner learn the identities of the bodyguards, so if mafia gains one position, they can wipe out the other fairly quickly. Add on the voting capability of the mayor and the one-time lynchblock (which would have to be lategame only for mafia as we'd probably lynch the pardoner pretty quick afterwards) and it's pretty clear that the mafia would want to run at least one campaign for mayor. If I had to say which candidate I think is the most scummy, I'd call Kav. Maybe. It's more of a 'least-obviously-town' choice rather than a pro-mafia choice. GMarshal I think it's silly to lynch the pardoner - If we want rid of the role completely, try and vote a green in and get him to pardon one of the early lynches (perhaps the first one where we aren't sure of our lynch victim, probably the day 1 lynch). This gets rid of the pardon whilst still protecting a probable green. If mafia obtain one of the positions, and don't block the lynch, then we can lynch on the next turn in the knowledge that we're definitely lynching scum that time. Please do not consider lynching the pardoner purely to get rid of the pardon. There is no reason to. On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I think this is great advice. Blues should listen to this. Especially if you aren't hugely experienced at Mafia - I'm certainly not. What I would like to ask the more experienced TL Mafia members - In previous IRC games I've played, we had an IRC channel (I assume to all intents and purposes a pm circle is the same) that the mayor could invite people to and as a result the pooling of blue info was possible with only a small chance (mayor inviting a mafia) of the mafia finding out who the blues were. This is going to sound mafia as all hell, but what are the usual ways of blues sharing info without letting mafia know who the blues are? Is it solid analysis from town? Does one detective post his info like mad hoping a medic is around? If you don't want to share these tips, could you recommend a mafia game on TL that also did not have a town pm circle of any kind so I could read up on how this information can be shared? | ||
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On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Got home from school so I actually have the time to post some stuff now. Pardoning an early lynch isn't a good idea if it's for no particular use. This is for one of the same reasons I wouldn't want a black mayor. If we're forced to pardon, or to policy lynch, this early in the game, all it does is give scum another chance to shoot 4 kp into the town, and if we do it on day 2, it give assassins another chance to shoot too. So that's 8-14 KP for only one lynch or no lynch at all. And, in thinking about it, the pardon doesn't seem to have much use at all for town. I wasn't advocating an early lynch - perhaps I should have phrased it differently. I would like the pardoner role to be a confirmed townie along with the mayor. I would not want a wasted pardon. I was merely suggesting that if Marshal really wanted rid of the pardoner role, then there was a way of doing it that wasted the same amount of time without lynching someone who is ideally green. On April 12 2011 08:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If we could agree on a lynch target for today, one thing we could try to do, is vote in one mayor, and then vote our lynch target in as pardoner. Then the mayor just lynches the "pardoner", who was the original lynch target. This way, we kill the same player and get rid of the decidedly anti-town pardoner at the same time. The fairly large problem with voting our lynch target into the pardoner seat is that any of our lynch targets are hopefully scum. We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. We need those players as untraceable as possible to protect our mayor. Admittedly, this would not be too horrific if the anti-town pardoner was a suspected assassin but it's still not a good idea to give anyone who's not green or blue the identity of our BGs. Finally before I go to bed (and then to work) I'll post a few of my reads. Bear in mind this is my first TL mafia, as opposed to with friends so I'm not able to employ pretty much any meta Strong Green read: GMarshal DocH Reasonably Green read: tnked Wiggles chaoser Possibly red read: aidnai redFF TranceStorm Likely Red read: m0nsterchef Blacker than a coal-miners ass at midnight: Protact Merely slightly gray: kita - this one is pure gut. No actual analysis behind this call, everyone feel free to disregard it. Something's just whispering assassin to me. hopefully once I read more of your posts I can either confirm this or forget about it. The rest of you, I've either not looked at your posts enough or I'm unsure about what your aims and thus your alignments are. EDIT: Was purely to add bold tags to the original post. The extremely close time between edit and OP should identify that. | ||
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Many apologies for this. It may not even matter though - may always get shot before friday morning I guess. | ||
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In terms of who I think are scum: redFF, jaminz and monsterchef all feel highly suspicious to me, along with TranceStorm. I believe DT checks on these people would be useful for me to confirm my suspicions. The main requirement I have of the DT checks is for the DTs to please use them to hunt scum, rather than confirm town. You should be aiming to pin someone as red, not reassure the town that a player is green. Read everyone's analysis of players, compare that with your own personal suspicions, and check someone you think is probably a cigar-smoking, horse's head-depositing scumbag. | ||
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On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo. redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing). However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so. Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie: + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica[/QUOTE] Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote: I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment[/QUOTE] So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. [/QUOTE] So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote: btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^[/QUOTE] I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.[/QUOTE] Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote: I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor[/QUOTE] Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me [/QUOTE] WAT?[/QUOTE] Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote: My Thoughts on the Game First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching.[/QUOTE] I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. [/QUOTE] Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF [/QUOTE] Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change.[/QUOTE] I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica[/QUOTE] I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment[/QUOTE] So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. [/QUOTE] I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal[/QUOTE] This guy is voting without posting.[/QUOTE] List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? [/QUOTE] M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before.[/QUOTE] I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on.[/QUOTE] Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now.[/QUOTE] This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote: Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead.[/QUOTE] EDIT: Edit was done by request to fix the formatting. Those quote tags were behaving very strangely outside of spoiler tags - literally the only change has been to spoiler the two quotes and they've suddenly formatted themselves correctly. | ||
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If Protact is actually assassin: Then theoretically this switch to a DT *could* make sense, but that's only if he truly believes coag to be red. He takes the risk of calling out the wrong player (as he wouldn't actually know if coag was red) but if coag flipped red we would all believe protact is a DT and therefore medics would keep him safe. Risky, but he's dead anyway if he can't get medic protection. If Protact is actually a green: For the same reason as above, assassins are going to believe he's an assassin now unless he does something impressive to make them think otherwise i.e. he's doomed unless he can successfully appear to not be an assassin/get medic'd If Protact is mafia scum: I think this whole assassin/blue claim would be waay too risky. He's either bussed coag or doomed himself, all to delay our lynch by one day. I would 100% say this is not the case. If Protact is actually blue: I can believe his reasoning, and if he doesn't claim the assassins would kill him tonight. I can't think of any other type of info he could post in the thread that would stop the assassins nailing him hard in the face. If coag flips red, he gets protected by a medic and all is *temporarily* well in the world. He's probably going to draw the roleblocking from now on though. as a result of this, I believe Protact is blue. Therefore, ##VOTE Coagulation | ||
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On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote: lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive On April 14 2011 05:03 LSB wrote: So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet? If you don't think he is blue, lynch him. If Flamewheel (Protact) is an assassin, then we do not need to do anything - the assassins will kill him. If Protact is blue or green, we do not want to lynch him. Therefore, the only time we should lynch Protact is if he is mafia. Do NOT lynch Protact unless you believe he is mafia. Just because he isn't blue, that doesn't justify a lynch. Ideally we do not lynch any of the assassins, we leave them to murder each other and the lynches are all used on the mafia. LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them. | ||
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FoS LSB Still sticking with my lynch of Coag. I'm now not certain of GM's alignment any more, I could have sworn that he was town before but there's been a lot of mud slung both ways. If he pardons coag then he's red to me. If he doesn't, then he's probably town in my opinion. | ||
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On April 14 2011 19:33 Mig wrote: It would be suicidal for GM to pardon coag. Especially since just last page GM said he would never use his pardon for any reason. So even if GM is red I can't imagine he will ever pardon coag. I feel a bit stupid for not realising this. I retract the 'If he doesn't, then he's probably town in my opinion.' bit then. | ||
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